Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — September 19, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: I read the readings in the love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:04 speaker_unknown: I'm Andres Vorgan, joined here today with Bill, Ed, John, and Fred, and we will be reading the June twenty-third, twenty-twenty-six, Eloise Shelling, and it is about fear, self-preservation, and compassion for all life.

00:00:24 speaker_unknown: All right, let's start with the first question here.

00:00:28 speaker_unknown: Yes, cool.

00:00:29 SPEAKER_002: Thank you.

00:00:30 SPEAKER_002: I would like to ask about the metaphysical role of mosquitoes, bugs, spiders, and other insects or small creatures that interact with humans through biting or otherwise causing bodily discomfort.

00:00:43 SPEAKER_002: From the human perspective, such contact can feel to me like an infringement, especially when the bite is unwanted, and when I actively use repellents or we use barriers or other means to avoid being bitten.

00:00:57 SPEAKER_002: But at the same time, from the Law of One perspective, here I'm just going to mute anyone who is not talking for now.

00:01:07 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:01:09 SPEAKER_002: Or we use barriers from the Law of One perspective.

00:01:12 SPEAKER_002: I understand that the Creator can be encountered in all beings, including those that bring disease, pain, irritation, or discomfort.

00:01:19 SPEAKER_002: Why would then one try to avoid it, or even associate them with fear?

00:01:24 SPEAKER_002: To even further shield from them.

00:01:27 SPEAKER_002: Can this create tension within me?

00:01:30 SPEAKER_002: One part of me wishes to accept the Creator in these creatures and in the bodily catalyst they offer.

00:01:35 SPEAKER_002: Another part of me has a strong instinctive desire to avoid being bitten.

00:01:39 SPEAKER_002: And when I feel a mosquito is biting me, my natural reaction is often to slap my body, which brings some kind of violent energy towards myself and potentially also for the bug.

00:01:49 SPEAKER_002: So, could you speak to the metaphysical function of such beings and interactions?

00:01:54 SPEAKER_002: How I can balance compassion for the Creator and those creatures with the natural desire to protect the body from pain, or irritation or disease, and finally,

00:02:03 SPEAKER_002: why might the Creator design or allow such seemingly intrusive and uncomfortable forms of experience?

00:02:10 SPEAKER_002: Bill, we are cool, and we greet you, our brother, with thanksgiving for your question, and take note and interest with surprise that you and your partner were concerned about the question asking,

00:02:22 SPEAKER_002: for we find a great deal of care and thought invested into this question that you ask.

00:02:29 SPEAKER_003: This particular scenario is a classic one for the third density being, who is, shall we say, in baby steps becoming, in baby steps beginning to become aware of the Creator in all things,

00:02:43 SPEAKER_003: even if only through learned philosophy and teaching.

00:02:48 SPEAKER_003: For the unawakened, non-seeking third density entity, such an entity, such a creature as a mosquito, is much simpler to define.

00:02:57 SPEAKER_003: Has any aspect of biological life in the creation of the Father?

00:03:01 SPEAKER_003: It can be seen as a nuisance, as something to be eliminated, eradicated, controlled, and so forth, without further thought.

00:03:09 SPEAKER_003: But questions of ethics, ethics, and metaphysics come into play for the seeker of unity in the recognition, as you have noted, our friend, that each aspect of creation is not an accident.

00:03:22 SPEAKER_003: Each entity and point of the Creator's manifestation has intrinsic purpose in the larger whole.

00:03:29 SPEAKER_003: Each is, in its way, teacher to each.

00:03:33 SPEAKER_003: And for the student of the positive polarity, the question centres in love.

00:03:38 SPEAKER_003: How do I, as a third density being, as the Creator itself, as an entity upon a journey of being and becoming, learn to love and accept that which greets me?

00:03:51 SPEAKER_003: One runs into a conundrum in this regard, and there are two wills or agendas or objectives that seem opposed to one another.

00:04:00 SPEAKER_003: That being, in this case, the mosquito entity which is fed from nutrients and the intake of blood from another, from other biological beings,

00:04:11 SPEAKER_003: and the third density entity which does not wish to donate its blood, shall we say?

00:04:18 SPEAKER_003: to this little buzzing creature, and then suffer not only the itching and discomfort that it may bring, especially in quantity, but also, as you know, in regions of the world,

00:04:30 SPEAKER_003: the severe and at times fatal diseases that such creatures may bring to the cell.

00:04:39 SPEAKER_003: So, where is the balance or the boundary between loving and accepting, on one hand, and the rejecting the service of a second density entity such as this one?

00:04:50 SPEAKER_003: On the other hand, in general, our brother, we may see that boundaries and rejection of service are not incompatible with the positive path.

00:05:01 SPEAKER_003: Indeed, in a manifold creation wherein there are as many needs and actions and agendas as there are entities, those agendas may not harmonize.

00:05:13 SPEAKER_003: They may be in opposition to one another, and the loving entity cannot accommodate all other wills, cannot meet the specific,

00:05:22 SPEAKER_003: and transient or momentary or enduring needs of all beings without severely compromising or bringing to a halt its own evolutionary journey.

00:05:35 SPEAKER_003: It is right and appropriate to reject service which is not perceived to be useful to the self, including, however, this may manifest for the self, protecting the self from disease-carrying insects.

00:05:48 SPEAKER_003: That the self, the third-density self, that is, may complete its learning and mission and service with a healthy and vital physical vehicle to the best of its abilities,

00:05:59 SPEAKER_003: and go forth seeking the Creator in service.

00:06:03 SPEAKER_003: The act of drawing boundaries or implementing modes of protection is a communication for that entity which would seek to breach said boundary or communication as well.

00:06:15 SPEAKER_003: By that we mean learning move both ways between any two creatures of any density, who have found occasion to intersect upon their journeys.

00:06:27 SPEAKER_003: What does that protection look like?

00:06:29 SPEAKER_003: It is, as some within your world would have it, a domination of the natural world, an attempt to control its processes completely for the benefit of the human society,

00:06:42 SPEAKER_003: to curtail that which is not desired, to eradicate that which is perceived to be harmful or even just unpleasant, to cover the fields in chemicals,

00:06:54 SPEAKER_003: to clear landscapes and implement other forms of control or protection or deterrence that disturb and even destroy ecosystems and other creatures within it.

00:07:07 SPEAKER_003: This one path to exploring this relationship where two wills seem unable to meet and harmonize, the entity of a positive polarity, however,

00:07:17 SPEAKER_003: seeks the heart of empathy and sensitivity to the subjective experience of all creatures, including those very tiny or even microscopic beings, and respect for their unique journeys as expressions of the One Creator.

00:07:35 SPEAKER_003: Thus, for entities of a positive nature, there is perhaps a more careful, respectful way to achieve these balances that offers the protection or the deterrence without wholesale destruction, without terrorizing populations of other beings,

00:07:53 SPEAKER_003: and without wholly rewriting the balances and rules and energies of the local landscape.

00:08:01 SPEAKER_003: And there are those among your peoples who find and seek such means that allow them to fulfil the appropriate need to protect the self from intrusion and even disease in a way which reduces harm

00:08:15 SPEAKER_003: to other creatures.

00:08:18 SPEAKER_003: It is possible, even with continued spiritual development, that the spiritual vibration that one effortlessly emanates from their beingness may serve in such a capacity.

00:08:32 SPEAKER_003: But when, through whatever action or non-action is taken, an intrusion occurs.

00:08:38 SPEAKER_003: Say in the case of the bite, the body and portions of the brain and nervous system have their automatic reflexes.

00:08:46 SPEAKER_003: This is part of the design of the vehicle you inhabit, and these reflexions or actions occur, as you know, without forethought, without the space and time to contemplate the highest and best course of actions.

00:09:01 SPEAKER_003: These things will happen, our friends, and they, like all moments of the life, are grist for the mill.

00:09:10 SPEAKER_003: One, we correct the instrument.

00:09:12 SPEAKER_003: We encourage the self to be gentle with themselves, for it is nigh impossible to move through the experience of planet Earth in a way which is harmless to all other forms of consciousness and sentience.

00:09:28 SPEAKER_003: This is not to say that the third entity, third density entity become numb to and indifferent of the suffering and the pain and experience of other beings.

00:09:44 SPEAKER_003: As we have described, the positive entity may live in such a way that seeks to reduce harm, even as those known to you as Buddhists and other groupings intact.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_003: One may take vows of non-harm as well.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_003: Has well, but it may be helpful to contemplate that, particularly in your realm, biological life collides with biological life,

00:10:09 SPEAKER_003: and that collision may result in physical harm or even death of one or more of the parties.

00:10:16 SPEAKER_003: This is part of the ever-moving, ever-shifting, and churning tumult, tumult,

00:10:23 SPEAKER_003: and patterns of third-density experience of birth and life and death of health and disease of growing and decaying that precipitates the catalyst that propels entities toward seeking the light,

00:10:38 SPEAKER_003: whether through the lower levels biological evolution or the upper levels that seeks to transmute that catalyst of the Logos into higher and higher energy expression in order to activate, unblock,

00:10:54 SPEAKER_003: and balance the higher chakras and the balance of love and wisdom, and eventually to open the gateway.

00:11:03 SPEAKER_003: If an entity finds that they have reacted reflectively and unconsciously and caused harm or death, then give respect for that body and being whose transient life was recently extinguished.

00:11:17 SPEAKER_003: With grace in the heart and acceptance for the illusion within which you travel, but with appreciation for the limitless light, which transcends both the outer forms of creaturehood and life within a chemical body.

00:11:36 SPEAKER_003: As to the portion of your question regarding purpose, we cannot speak to the purpose of each and every manifest creature or form within your world.

00:11:46 SPEAKER_003: But we can affirm that the One Infinite Creator is a seeker and lover of variety and wishes to manifest itself and play its game, shall we say,

00:11:56 SPEAKER_003: of light and shadow upon the most expansive and grand micro and macro stages.

00:12:04 SPEAKER_003: It is experience itself in every possible costume and colour, a mode of being, and especially relationship between the many actors, or rather roles, upon the stage that it plays, including the predator and the prey,

00:12:22 SPEAKER_003: the carnivore, and the herbivore, and the parasite, and the self-sufficient being; each offers a gift to the whole.

00:12:32 SPEAKER_003: And in the outward manifestation, each being offers a part in a balanced and ever-shifting, balancing ecosystem, which, as we have said,

00:12:44 SPEAKER_003: may include that class of being that parasitically or predatorily seeks to live off the life force of other beings.

00:12:54 SPEAKER_003: This again need not mean for the positive entity that they throw their body as food for the carnivorous or parasitic being, but it can mean a deep recognition,

00:13:05 SPEAKER_003: whatever the outer protection or deterrent that is implemented, of the wholeness of life, of the sacred quality of all beings, with respect for who and what they are and the roles that they serve.

00:13:21 SPEAKER_003: We are cool and are unsure we have spoken to the fullness of your question, our brother.

00:13:27 SPEAKER_003: Is there more we can speak to, or is there a follow-up that you may have?

00:13:32 SPEAKER_003: No, thank you.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_003: Cool.

00:13:34 SPEAKER_003: Can we speak to that?

00:13:36 SPEAKER_003: Go ahead.

00:13:36 SPEAKER_003: Yep, please.

00:13:38 SPEAKER_003: So first and foremost, when we're talking about mosquitoes or insects that bite, they are part of the Creator, right?

00:13:46 SPEAKER_003: Yep.

00:13:46 SPEAKER_003: And they have their part to play.

00:13:49 SPEAKER_003: So as so, just as an example, dragonflies are beautiful, and dragonflies eat mosquitoes.

00:13:59 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:13:59 SPEAKER_003: So without mosquitoes, there would be no food for the dragonfly.

00:14:05 SPEAKER_005: And then my daughter's wonder of the little fairies that she's flying around when when I want to take her for a walk doesn't exist first and foremost, right?

00:14:17 SPEAKER_005: Second of all, there is no place where the Creator has designed something that is going to smite an individual.

00:14:29 SPEAKER_005: It has its place, and the mosquito or the insect that bites is not out there to create the harm of which it inflicts.

00:14:42 SPEAKER_005: So it's the design, and you know the potential illness or harm that it causes isn't the first instinct of the creature.

00:14:54 SPEAKER_005: Their first instinct of that creature is to survive, and the result of the design is what happens.

00:15:07 SPEAKER_005: So, so, so, so the result of it trying to remain alive is... it's the most dangerous creature that man has ever known.

00:15:17 SPEAKER_005: Right when it comes to mosquitoes, right?

00:15:21 SPEAKER_005: So when I went through my spiritual awakening, I started to feel...

00:15:29 SPEAKER_005: I mean, I've never wanted to hurt a creature.

00:15:31 SPEAKER_005: Like I've never wanted to hurt an animal.

00:15:34 SPEAKER_005: You know, I've always felt...

00:15:36 SPEAKER_005: I've always thought...

00:15:37 SPEAKER_005: You know, personally, I'm sure you guys feel the same.

00:15:39 SPEAKER_005: You don't want to hurt another animal.

00:15:42 SPEAKER_005: And when you know, like when you watch cowboys and Indians, you get more upset when the horse dies than when the cowboy or the Indian dies.

00:15:53 SPEAKER_005: You know what I'm saying?

00:15:54 SPEAKER_005: Are we?

00:15:55 SPEAKER_005: Can you hear me?

00:15:55 SPEAKER_005: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:57 SPEAKER_005: We can hear you.

00:15:58 SPEAKER_005: So, so when it comes to creatures, you know, like you don't want to kill anything.

00:16:03 SPEAKER_005: But I have never had a second thought about killing a mosquito prior to my spiritual awakening.

00:16:11 SPEAKER_005: And then I was like trying to find every other way, any and other way, to... because I because I realised that it was a part of the Creator, right?

00:16:21 SPEAKER_005: And no longer was it an attack on me; it was suddenly just... it was just doing what it needed to do, and I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time,

00:16:34 SPEAKER_005: or it was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:16:37 SPEAKER_005: So now I had to find some other way of managing a situation that would I would have found easier if I just had a shoe in my hand and a good... you know,

00:16:49 SPEAKER_005: a good aim.

00:16:49 SPEAKER_005: So then then over a period of time since my understanding of the Law of One, I thought to myself, well look,

00:16:58 SPEAKER_005: you you know I can't be completely responsible for there is an element of my need to be able to go to sleep tonight, because if I want to be...

00:17:10 SPEAKER_005: I work for a charity, right?

00:17:12 SPEAKER_005: And I choose to work for a charity, right?

00:17:15 SPEAKER_005: Doesn't matter what I do, really.

00:17:16 SPEAKER_005: I suppose for a living, but I what I want to be service to others in any way, and we all are in our own way.

00:17:24 SPEAKER_005: If we're doing, you know, if we're working, if we're doing whatever we're doing, doesn't matter if you work or not.

00:17:28 SPEAKER_005: But if you want to be of service to someone, you got to get a good night's sleep.

00:17:33 SPEAKER_005: So maybe your life, you know, like... maybe you don't need to die, but then, where, where, like, what is my... where, how do I remove the potential of being bitten by you?

00:17:47 SPEAKER_005: So, so then I started thinking, well, maybe I don't kill the mosquito.

00:17:52 SPEAKER_005: Maybe I don't eat the foods that would release the pheromones that the mosquito would then be attracted to, to come and bite me in the first place.

00:18:02 SPEAKER_005: So then, having children...

00:18:04 SPEAKER_005: I'm not...

00:18:05 SPEAKER_005: I'm trying not to go on too much, but then I start to think, well, how can I put myself in a position whereby I do not...

00:18:13 SPEAKER_005: I...

00:18:13 SPEAKER_005: I'm not the... you know, I'm not going to be the attraction for... you know, how you proactively, how do I manage this situation without necessarily killing the creature,

00:18:28 SPEAKER_005: and so then I looked at all these experiments on people that were attracting mosquitoes and people that didn't attract mosquitoes, and it turns out that there's a broad...

00:18:40 SPEAKER_005: If you look at the experiment, actually, there's no... you know if you eat more sugar, if you eat more this, you eat more that, you do more this, you do more that.

00:18:49 SPEAKER_005: There isn't any specific specificity, but there are so many different species of mosquitoes.

00:18:57 SPEAKER_005: Some of them are more attracted to humans than others, as are...

00:19:00 SPEAKER_005: I... as I remember the experiment, sometimes you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

00:19:06 SPEAKER_005: So this being something that's very close to my heart, I've come to the point where I'm like, look, I will kill a mosquito and I will kill a fly.

00:19:20 SPEAKER_005: But I've... when after my spirit after my initial spiritual awakening, I was uncomfortable with doing all of those things.

00:19:28 SPEAKER_005: Now I've got to the point where I'm like,

00:19:31 SPEAKER_005: because we all have a pre kind of a preconceived idea of what we're doing and and the um the catalyst in our lives and the things that are going to create problems and the things

00:19:45 SPEAKER_005: that are going to create lessons.

00:19:49 SPEAKER_005: The same would apply to these creatures.

00:19:51 SPEAKER_005: So if you end up getting, you know, getting a shorter life than what you were maybe previously perceived.

00:19:57 SPEAKER_005: Maybe previously perceived.

00:20:00 SPEAKER_005: Maybe you did something wrong.

00:20:02 SPEAKER_005: Like maybe I'm your catalyst.

00:20:04 SPEAKER_005: So I don't...

00:20:05 SPEAKER_005: So so and and a big part of of our you know our lesson.

00:20:09 SPEAKER_005: I'm not going to go out to a field and punch a cow because that would just be completely unnecessary.

00:20:15 SPEAKER_005: If mosquito is in the bedroom and it's going to bite me and I need to do something about it before it does something to me that's going to prevent me from being able to go

00:20:25 SPEAKER_005: out and be service to somebody else,

00:20:27 SPEAKER_005: you know, then I'm not gonna...

00:20:29 SPEAKER_005: I'm not gonna beat myself up over it because you can get into a state of mind where you start to overthink things,

00:20:37 SPEAKER_005: and you've you know you've got to accept that you you still live in this this material world, and there's still a potential fight for survival.

00:20:46 SPEAKER_005: So don't you know if you if you're not going out to to try and actively do something that isn't necessary, then don't worry about it.

00:20:56 SPEAKER_005: But I still am uncomfortable about spraying fly spray.

00:21:01 SPEAKER_005: And if there's flies in the house, I'll open a window and I'll shoot them out.

00:21:06 SPEAKER_005: I will shoot.

00:21:06 SPEAKER_005: You know, I will...

00:21:07 SPEAKER_005: I will not...

00:21:08 SPEAKER_005: My first instinct is not just to kill something.

00:21:12 SPEAKER_005: I will try to do everything in my power to remove that thing without you know, my first thought is to just kill it.

00:21:21 SPEAKER_005: And and that's where I'm at with... where we're at with that.

00:21:26 SPEAKER_005: Thank you, John.

00:21:27 SPEAKER_005: So sorry for...

00:21:28 SPEAKER_005: I'm sorry for it.

00:21:29 SPEAKER_005: It's okay.

00:21:30 SPEAKER_005: Ed, go ahead.

00:21:34 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:21:34 SPEAKER_005: So I was just going to say that, like, obviously, like non-industry want to kill stuff, right?

00:21:39 SPEAKER_006: So yeah, other way.

00:21:41 SPEAKER_006: But the way I see is that you know they they are second density creatures, right?

00:21:46 SPEAKER_006: You know, in second density, they live these cycles of prey predator, you know, whatever.

00:21:52 SPEAKER_006: Right?

00:21:53 SPEAKER_006: So a lot of that comes down to habitat and comes down to, you know, whatever else.

00:21:57 SPEAKER_006: So the way I see it is that they're second entity entities.

00:22:01 SPEAKER_006: They're coming into my habitat, as it were.

00:22:03 SPEAKER_006: That they they want to feed on me or whatever else.

00:22:07 SPEAKER_006: Then it's okay to treat them like a second entity entity would.

00:22:12 SPEAKER_006: That makes sense.

00:22:13 SPEAKER_006: Now, don't get me wrong.

00:22:14 SPEAKER_006: I don't want to go out my way and kill them, and I'm not going to spray fly spray around and mass murder all of them.

00:22:19 SPEAKER_006: But I'm also not going to, you know, consciously allow things to eat from me without permission, as it were, right?

00:22:27 SPEAKER_006: So, and I think Q'uo said it nicely.

00:22:29 SPEAKER_006: He said, like, you've got these automatic responses.

00:22:32 SPEAKER_006: If I see a bug biting me, I smack it before I even thought about it.

00:22:36 SPEAKER_006: One hundred percent.

00:22:36 SPEAKER_006: It's biting me now.

00:22:38 SPEAKER_006: Don't get me wrong.

00:22:38 SPEAKER_006: I didn't want to do that, and I feel regret for it.

00:22:40 SPEAKER_006: And afterwards, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, Creator.

00:22:42 SPEAKER_006: I'm sorry, little dude.

00:22:44 SPEAKER_006: But it's one of those automatic responses you can't help.

00:22:48 SPEAKER_006: You know, then the other side of it.

00:22:50 SPEAKER_006: Well, what you know, some of the else is Mike still on?

00:22:55 SPEAKER_006: John, is your mic still on?

00:22:56 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, yeah, John, is the mic still on?

00:22:58 SPEAKER_006: John, sorry, because it makes it sound fuzzy.

00:23:02 SPEAKER_006: Okay, nothing.

00:23:03 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_006: Um.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_006: So, so yeah.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_006: So the uh uh that the end.

00:23:07 SPEAKER_006: There's other things like you know I used to because I do a lot of meditation outside and I spend a lot of time outside at night and stuff.

00:23:13 SPEAKER_006: So I used to get bitten all over the blooming place while I was doing stuff, but then I got myself a mosquito net.

00:23:20 SPEAKER_006: Perfect.

00:23:21 SPEAKER_006: You put the mosquito net around you and meditate in the middle.

00:23:23 SPEAKER_006: Don't have to worry about the bugs.

00:23:25 SPEAKER_006: Haven't had to kill hardly any this year.

00:23:27 SPEAKER_006: It's been great.

00:23:28 SPEAKER_006: The other side of it is that a lot of bugs, not all of them, annoyingly, the little tiny flies, really annoying ones.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_006: They don't respond to it.

00:23:37 SPEAKER_006: And to be fair, I've never had a net respond to it either.

00:23:40 SPEAKER_006: But just telling bugs to get out, directing them with your will, you know, with your wheel, you get out and point them towards an open window.

00:23:49 SPEAKER_006: Most bugs, well, bigger bugs at least, you know, they will respond to your will.

00:23:54 SPEAKER_006: They will say, take the signal, and they'll be like, right, okay, I'll take your word for it, and I'll leave because they're smart enough, because they're clever.

00:24:01 SPEAKER_006: The little tiny ones are stupid; they just fly around in circles.

00:24:04 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, can I?

00:24:07 SPEAKER_006: I'm sorry, the ones that I don't mind giving a little slap out of the air, but yeah, you know,

00:24:13 SPEAKER_006: because of the fact that they fly into my head and stuff—it is invasive in my personal space.

00:24:18 SPEAKER_006: But I don't beat myself up over it because their experience as Creator is flying around in the stupidest form you can imagine, flying into other beings' heads.

00:24:29 SPEAKER_006: They're going to have to know the spiritual part of their evolution that they're encroaching on higher density creatures' space and flying into their face is probably going to get them.

00:24:38 SPEAKER_006: Can we?

00:24:38 SPEAKER_006: Can we?

00:24:39 SPEAKER_006: Next, can we find what are they like a negative polarity?

00:24:45 SPEAKER_005: Like is a fly or a mosquito a negative polarity creature?

00:24:51 SPEAKER_005: No, no. Where do we?

00:24:53 SPEAKER_005: Can we define it?

00:24:54 SPEAKER_002: No, we know second densities.

00:24:57 SPEAKER_002: They're without polarity.

00:24:59 SPEAKER_002: They do.

00:24:59 SPEAKER_002: They're still part of the Infinite Creator, right?

00:25:03 SPEAKER_002: They're part of It.

00:25:04 SPEAKER_002: They don't have a veil.

00:25:05 SPEAKER_002: They don't experience separation between themselves and the Infinite Creator.

00:25:10 SPEAKER_002: But so that's so.

00:25:11 SPEAKER_005: So, but the reason why I say that, right, is because my wife, she goes, "fucking da da da da da," and I feel like a little bit, which it sounds a bit weird, really,

00:25:25 SPEAKER_005: but I feel offended by the fact that she says that because I'm like, they're just doing what they know.

00:25:34 SPEAKER_005: They don't know anything else.

00:25:37 SPEAKER_005: Like you don't eat shit because it ain't tasty to you, but when it comes to a fly, that's kind of... and then when you look at a maggot, you know that they actually do have,

00:25:52 SPEAKER_005: um, you know, like a positive place to some extent because they actually feed on the crap.

00:26:02 SPEAKER_005: They literally, you know, it reminds me of there was... oh here, John.

00:26:11 SPEAKER_005: Can you just mute yourself?

00:26:12 SPEAKER_005: Yes, sir.

00:26:13 SPEAKER_005: Okay.

00:26:14 SPEAKER_002: There were those early church fathers, the desert fathers, and one of them strapped himself to a pole, and the ropes bit into his flesh so much that some of his flesh started rotting,

00:26:33 SPEAKER_002: and then there were flies and maggots eating his flesh, and he was just like, "Good, eat what your Creator has given you."

00:26:46 SPEAKER_002: You know, he's like just hanging on this pole and talking to the maggots eating him up.

00:26:53 SPEAKER_002: I guess while he's dying there, and it just reminds me of what Ed was saying about them fighting, and you know what?

00:27:03 SPEAKER_002: Like I know in medical procedures or whatever, like maggots, they eat the dead flesh.

00:27:11 SPEAKER_002: Yes, sir.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_002: And so that they will not eat the living flesh, and so they're a good way of actually removing the dead flesh.

00:27:19 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, and so and so.

00:27:21 SPEAKER_002: I mean, so again, sorry.

00:27:24 SPEAKER_005: You know, for this is my first time for a long time being in this group.

00:27:30 SPEAKER_005: It's so...

00:27:30 SPEAKER_005: Can may I say I'm so thankful to be talking to people that share the same desire to kind of you know dissect these kind of perspectives and try to understand them from a more integral

00:27:54 SPEAKER_005: level because I you know I love this sort of stuff.

00:28:00 SPEAKER_005: We the reason why I feel like it can be used as a catalyst is because I honestly thought that there was the potential that, based on your dietary habits,

00:28:14 SPEAKER_005: that certain mosquitoes may be attracted to your pheromones.

00:28:21 SPEAKER_005: Right, and so I went through a whole summer of not being bitten at all, and then went through, and then started to get pretty confident, and then because I was fasting, you know,

00:28:35 SPEAKER_005: and doing all that sort of stuff, and then, you know, with the same sort of dietary plan, going for another summer, I've been bitten multiple times.

00:28:45 SPEAKER_005: So, put got like basically my theory got put like on its ass, completely destroyed.

00:28:54 SPEAKER_005: But I feel like maybe if the mosquito is one of the most deadliest creatures, in you know when it comes to humans, that they are an arm, you know at least a finger,

00:29:13 SPEAKER_005: are definitely a method for the Creator to do Its work, because without these you know silent deadly kind of situations, there would be no reason for somebody not to have a certain catalyst, you know.

00:29:36 SPEAKER_005: If there needs to be ways in which people can be affected by things, there isn't direct human on human or animal on human.

00:29:47 SPEAKER_005: If these things didn't exist, then there would be no random death, you know, that just occurred out of nowhere.

00:29:57 SPEAKER_005: There would need to be a situation that presented itself, so it's all the work of the Creator in the sense that some people just, you know,

00:30:08 SPEAKER_005: had a particular time that they wanted to live and a particular time that they didn't want to live anymore.

00:30:14 SPEAKER_005: And if this was a pre-planned thing, then there is a reason for it.

00:30:20 SPEAKER_005: If you were visited by a mosquito, so it's got, you know, there, it's got its tangles.

00:30:27 SPEAKER_005: It's got there, that you know, there is manipulation to some extent.

00:30:32 SPEAKER_005: There is set if a human reason as to why this person died.

00:30:37 SPEAKER_005: You know that I feel like that.

00:30:42 SPEAKER_005: That sometimes there has to be a reason, and mosquitoes supply that reason.

00:30:49 SPEAKER_005: Okay, Bill.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_005: A bill.

00:30:54 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I'm gonna say, yeah, I get bit to death by mosquitoes, but and just the other day,

00:31:03 SPEAKER_003: I grabbed a damn big tarantula out of the bowls under my shelf in the kitchen that we use all the time.

00:31:13 SPEAKER_003: It was just sitting there, and I just put a cover on it and went outside.

00:31:18 SPEAKER_003: But what this reminds me of is there was a comic called The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?

00:31:25 SPEAKER_003: It came out in the nineteen seventies, I think, maybe late sixties.

00:31:30 SPEAKER_003: But it was about these three characters, and they lived in rundown apartments with all these cockroaches.

00:31:37 SPEAKER_003: And they used to... he used to draw like a cockroach general, and he would go, "Oh, you know, the Furry Brothers would come in and kill like a million of them, right?

00:31:47 SPEAKER_003: Of the roaches, and the General be be going."

00:31:51 SPEAKER_003: Cockroach General will always be going.

00:31:53 SPEAKER_003: That's okay.

00:31:54 SPEAKER_003: We got another million right behind him.

00:32:00 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:32:01 SPEAKER_002: And well, I wanted to just share my mosquito experiences.

00:32:07 SPEAKER_002: I just wear double layers.

00:32:10 SPEAKER_002: Um, that works for me.

00:32:11 SPEAKER_002: And having long hair, I just use my hair as a mosquito net.

00:32:17 SPEAKER_002: And then pretty much...

00:32:17 SPEAKER_002: And pretty much, I manage to avoid most mosquito bites with just those two simple methods.

00:32:26 SPEAKER_002: And I get like rubber boots if I'm going camping.

00:32:29 SPEAKER_002: And yeah, and then if I do get bitten, then I don't itch or don't scratch.

00:32:35 SPEAKER_002: I just wash it with some fresh water or go for a swim.

00:32:39 SPEAKER_002: All right, Ed, go ahead.

00:32:45 SPEAKER_006: Okay, I was just going to say to carry on from what Bill said, so did you know that there is more biomass in the insect kingdom than anything else on the planet?

00:32:58 SPEAKER_006: So, for a tree, for the mass of a tree, yeah, you can get ten times the mass of that tree in insects that that tree supports.

00:33:09 SPEAKER_006: Right.

00:33:10 SPEAKER_006: That means that... bow that up.

00:33:12 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

00:33:12 SPEAKER_006: Every blade of grass, there's ten insects that that blade of grass supports.

00:33:18 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

00:33:19 SPEAKER_006: So essentially, if you add up all of the biomass that makes up insects, it would equal more than all of the trees, mammals, fish, every single other thing added up together.

00:33:34 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, would not make a ball of stuff anywhere near as big as the ball of insects.

00:33:41 SPEAKER_006: They make up such a vast majority of the biomass.

00:33:43 SPEAKER_006: The only way you'd get a bigger ball is if you took all of the bacteria that live on everything, you know, the ball out of that.

00:33:50 SPEAKER_006: Other than that, insects have got it covered.

00:33:53 SPEAKER_006: Like Bill said, there's always a million more just behind them.

00:33:56 SPEAKER_003: Right, and it says it in the reading right there.

00:34:01 SPEAKER_003: The Creator likes a lot of variety.

00:34:04 SPEAKER_006: Hey, can I just say, insects have got some crazy weird variety, like across the board, like straight up.

00:34:14 SPEAKER_006: And we haven't scratched the surface.

00:34:18 SPEAKER_006: Hundred percent.

00:34:19 SPEAKER_006: Go and look at the Bombardier beetle.

00:34:21 SPEAKER_006: Could I?

00:34:22 SPEAKER_006: Go and look at that and tell me the God, the like, you know, the Creator does incredible work.

00:34:28 SPEAKER_006: Just say it.

00:34:29 SPEAKER_006: Could I go off the subject slightly and just make a statement and also make an inquiry as well?

00:34:36 SPEAKER_005: I've known Ed since I was four or five years old.

00:34:41 SPEAKER_005: He is very adept.

00:34:44 SPEAKER_005: Obviously, he's got a qualification; he's a qualified pharmacist, and you know, got a master's degree in that.

00:34:55 SPEAKER_005: But I suppose he never really took advantage of it.

00:35:01 SPEAKER_005: You know, but no. Well, the point I'm trying to make is that he knows everything about just the shit that grows out the ground.

00:35:10 SPEAKER_005: In any raw or quote material, has there been any discussions around you know our ability to be able to?

00:35:20 SPEAKER_005: I know, I know, like self-healing was one of the things we were talking about regarding raw material.

00:35:25 SPEAKER_005: You know, in the first few sessions we're talking about the ability to hear and heal, and you know, Don, you know, being one of the people that was labelled as a potential healer,

00:35:42 SPEAKER_005: because he had the desire with Carla to become a healer, and that's what they were interested in.

00:35:56 SPEAKER_005: But from a household chemical perspective.

00:36:08 SPEAKER_005: How?

00:36:08 SPEAKER_005: What do we call that?

00:36:10 SPEAKER_005: How you know using household inorganic chemistry?

00:36:16 SPEAKER_005: Yeah, you know, no, you know when you don't use it.

00:36:19 SPEAKER_005: If I've worked like I've worked in mental health hospitals before, you've got that standard.

00:36:26 SPEAKER_005: You got environmentally friendly.

00:36:32 SPEAKER_005: You got prescribed medication, and you've got...

00:36:35 SPEAKER_005: Um, um, like I can't remember the name.

00:36:43 SPEAKER_005: Holistic stuff, like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:36:46 SPEAKER_005: It's not that's not the word, but like yeah, holistic.

00:36:49 SPEAKER_005: Um, you know, yeah, stuff that we've forgotten.

00:36:54 SPEAKER_005: Like stuff you can, you know, stuff that you're very good with, Ed.

00:36:59 SPEAKER_005: Like you can pull some shit out the ground, and it will serve.

00:37:04 SPEAKER_005: Yeah, yeah.

00:37:05 SPEAKER_005: Thank you.

00:37:06 SPEAKER_005: Who said that, Bill?

00:37:11 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:12 SPEAKER_005: Well done, Bill.

00:37:13 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:13 SPEAKER_005: Thank you.

00:37:14 SPEAKER_005: Sorry, I'm sorry, guys.

00:37:16 SPEAKER_005: I've had a few glasses of wine.

00:37:17 SPEAKER_005: I apologize.

00:37:18 SPEAKER_005: It's late at night in the UK.

00:37:21 SPEAKER_005: All right.

00:37:22 SPEAKER_005: Well, let's get on to the next question.

00:37:26 SPEAKER_005: And let's just show our new guest what we got going on.

00:37:30 SPEAKER_005: We'll do the question and answer, and then Andre will run it through the AI because that's what Robo Raw thinks.

00:37:37 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:37 SPEAKER_005: All right, all right, all right.

00:37:39 SPEAKER_005: We'll do it.

00:37:39 SPEAKER_005: It just...

00:37:39 SPEAKER_005: We've been doing this question for so long.

00:37:41 SPEAKER_005: No, no. Let's go to that.

00:37:42 SPEAKER_005: Let's go to the next question because the insect, you know.

00:37:45 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:45 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:46 SPEAKER_005: Okay.

00:37:46 SPEAKER_005: Okay.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_005: We've got.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_005: I'm really sorry for interrupting.

00:37:49 SPEAKER_005: No, no. It's okay.

00:37:51 SPEAKER_005: It's okay.

00:37:52 SPEAKER_005: We just want to show you what we really do.

00:37:54 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:55 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:37:56 SPEAKER_005: I apologize.

00:37:56 SPEAKER_005: I'm sorry.

00:37:56 SPEAKER_005: No. No. No. Yes.

00:37:59 SPEAKER_005: Thank you.

00:38:00 SPEAKER_005: Cool.

00:38:00 SPEAKER_005: Yes, thank you, Q'uo.

00:38:01 SPEAKER_002: How can this mind-body-spirit complex balance and heal a catalyst involving fear for its physical life, such as being pursued, threatened, or moved into harmful action toward another self in order to preserve its own life?

00:38:16 SPEAKER_002: To make an example, let's say while driving behind a logging truck, the mind can imagine the wood falling and causing injury or death, though unlikely.

00:38:25 SPEAKER_002: This image might arise from prior conditioning stories, films, etc., and fear rise before conscious choice could be made.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_002: This also happens in dreams, for example, when the choice that I'm making is based on fear rather than love, and further energizing violent outcomes.

00:38:40 SPEAKER_002: So, how does free will function when such fear has already arisen within the complex, and how can I later contemplate or meditate upon this catalyst to balance it rather than suppress it or judging it?

00:38:54 SPEAKER_002: We are those who do, baby.

00:38:57 SPEAKER_002: What's that?

00:38:58 SPEAKER_006: Is this about transmuting that, like you know, turn that fear into something better?

00:39:03 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

00:39:04 SPEAKER_006: Well, and you got to be careful because if you think too negatively, you never know what you're going to manifest.

00:39:09 SPEAKER_006: Oh yeah, for sure.

00:39:11 SPEAKER_006: Hundred percent.

00:39:12 SPEAKER_006: All right.

00:39:13 SPEAKER_003: We are those of Q'uo, and we are grateful for this question, my brother.

00:39:18 SPEAKER_003: We find that this query is an interesting one, for we understand that it is part of the human three-density experience on this planet that you have these sensations of fear,

00:39:31 SPEAKER_003: these forecasts of outcomes unknown to your present moment, that they can feel as if they arise without control or without invitation, and we understand that when deeply grounded in this third density experience,

00:39:47 SPEAKER_003: heavily entrenched in this illusion, it can be hard to accept any outcome.

00:39:52 SPEAKER_003: It can be hard to allow what may happen to happen?

00:39:57 SPEAKER_003: Where those occur when we take a moment to move this second density creature?

00:40:02 SPEAKER_003: Oh, I think that's their cat.

00:40:04 SPEAKER_003: Yep.

00:40:05 SPEAKER_003: All right.

00:40:06 SPEAKER_003: We understand that being so bound in your bodies and your physical forms that experience sensations such as pain, discomfort, pleasure, and with minds that can be creative in their storytelling,

00:40:19 SPEAKER_003: that it is challenging to just simply be, and that certain thoughts may feel reflective or instinctual rather than self-centered, perhaps out of one's free will.

00:40:33 SPEAKER_003: But we would impart upon you, my friend, the suggestion that even these moments of fear are within your free will choice.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_003: Yes, there is a part of you that is instinctual, that has a bit of that second density drive for survival, that struggle.

00:40:51 SPEAKER_003: That struggles to perhaps see itself in its one creatorship, its true identity.

00:40:59 SPEAKER_003: However, my friend, each moment has a choice that can be made, even subconsciously or unconsciously.

00:41:06 SPEAKER_003: And fear, as you know, is a distortion of love.

00:41:10 SPEAKER_003: It is a sensation that comes out of a sense of non-acceptance.

00:41:15 SPEAKER_003: And so, when you feel that fear arise within you, we would suggest you may look at it as an opportunity for deeper contemplation, for moments of grace and patience.

00:41:28 SPEAKER_003: Again, we know that you feel a calling or ownership to the identity that you see yourself as, and so self-preservation becomes, even if it may seem outside of your knowledge and purview,

00:41:42 SPEAKER_003: a part of your design.

00:41:45 SPEAKER_003: But in those moments after you experience that fear, and maybe...

00:41:48 SPEAKER_003: Fear.

00:41:49 SPEAKER_003: It may be helpful to recognize that that fear comes from this feeling of separation from your true self.

00:41:59 SPEAKER_003: Whenever you can meditate upon that fear and see that whatever may hurt or maim or end this incarnation, as you see it,

00:42:08 SPEAKER_003: it is but a moment in a long period of what you call time that exists only in that moment, and that you yourself are beyond the self.

00:42:18 SPEAKER_003: You are beyond the bounds of time and space.

00:42:20 SPEAKER_003: You may find more space within yourself to have acceptance, to have understanding and forgiveness, to see every moment as pregnant with opportunity, rather than being so bound to this form,

00:42:33 SPEAKER_003: bound to this interaction with your environment or with other selves.

00:42:38 SPEAKER_003: We know that fear is incredibly present on your planet for many reasons and in many instances.

00:42:45 SPEAKER_003: Finding beauty outside of fear may be of help.

00:42:49 SPEAKER_003: Recognize that your fear is that lesson, a great gift, and that there is much beauty even in that fear.

00:42:56 SPEAKER_003: What an opportunity you have in the gift to experience fear, because it reminds you of all that you love, my friend.

00:43:06 SPEAKER_003: It is a natural part of your design.

00:43:08 SPEAKER_003: It is a part of your choice to have these knee-jerk moments where self-preservation is at the forefront of your mind and is the highest priority in your decision making,

00:43:21 SPEAKER_003: for it informs you of so much more than the present moment, so much more than what you see of yourself.

00:43:28 SPEAKER_003: In some ways, it is an incredibly concentrated yet distorted moment of love.

00:43:35 SPEAKER_003: You recognize all that you care about.

00:43:37 SPEAKER_003: You recognize all that you desire, for you feel that in that moment you may lose that, and that is understandable.

00:43:46 SPEAKER_003: But when you can have patience for that and forgiveness for that moment, and take it with you, recognizing that it is okay that this is but a moment, and that,

00:43:58 SPEAKER_003: as the artist sang in the tuning song prior to this channeling, that you too will fly beyond this moment that you are here.

00:44:09 SPEAKER_003: Sorry, could I... could you ask something?

00:44:10 SPEAKER_003: Who was doing the channeling for this?

00:44:12 SPEAKER_003: Oh, this is LL.

00:44:17 SPEAKER_003: This is LL.

00:44:18 SPEAKER_003: No, no, it's Tricia.

00:44:20 SPEAKER_003: Tricia, yeah.

00:44:21 SPEAKER_003: Oh, this is good shit, man.

00:44:24 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, this is the latest.

00:44:26 SPEAKER_003: We do the latest channeling that LL Research puts out, and the latest that Ashley does too.

00:44:36 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, we've been doing that too.

00:44:38 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, no, it's... yeah.

00:44:39 SPEAKER_003: I love it.

00:44:40 SPEAKER_003: I love this.

00:44:41 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

00:44:42 SPEAKER_003: Then you can see the greater picture that you can find within you: more love and more wonder and curiosity about that which inspires these distortions of love, these moments of fear.

00:44:56 SPEAKER_003: And when you experience these moments, after you take them into meditation and find loving acceptance for them, perhaps ask yourself, "Why did I have fear in that moment?"

00:45:07 SPEAKER_003: And you may find yourself answering: all is well, all is perfect, all is right, for that is all that it can be.

00:45:15 SPEAKER_003: If this is the moment of pain or discomfort, or if this is the end of my incarnation, as challenging as that may be, that is exactly as it is.

00:45:26 SPEAKER_003: It is perfect, and it was a blessing.

00:45:29 SPEAKER_003: We know that this was perhaps a bit of a disjointed answer due to the co-participation of the second-density entity, and we apologize.

00:45:40 SPEAKER_003: We would ask if we can speak further to this question, or if there is a follow-up, my brother.

00:45:49 SPEAKER_003: Love that.

00:45:51 SPEAKER_002: Wow.

00:45:52 SPEAKER_002: Apparently, it was split for the YouTube audience, so they couldn't follow along.

00:45:57 SPEAKER_002: Anyhow, okay, I fixed it now.

00:45:59 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:46:01 SPEAKER_003: So now those people from the YouTube audience checking in on us for 26 seconds might have got it messed up.

00:46:10 SPEAKER_003: It's just... it's lower than usual.

00:46:13 SPEAKER_002: They all quit after 10 seconds, and I was wondering why it was so brief.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_002: And then I realized it's because there was a rendering issue.

00:46:22 SPEAKER_002: Oh, yeah.

00:46:24 SPEAKER_002: Oh well.

00:46:27 SPEAKER_002: Can I... can I just offer something?

00:46:31 SPEAKER_005: Is that we've... with my understanding of, um, you know, like there's... there is a palette, or what I would consider a polarity, when it comes to people's... like, you know,

00:46:46 SPEAKER_005: like there's the... there's a suggestion, there's like a holy war going on right now, right?

00:46:51 SPEAKER_005: And you know, from... from a like a biblical perspective, if you used to look at it from a biblical perspective, um, we're looking at, you know, people considering the other side as being, you know,

00:47:04 SPEAKER_005: evil.

00:47:06 SPEAKER_005: You know, there's such a distinct, um, you know, like... um, there's an opinion when it comes to... um, for everything is turned political, right?

00:47:20 SPEAKER_005: You know, everything is, you know, to some degree, um, literally left and right.

00:47:27 SPEAKER_005: Would that... would that be a fair statement?

00:47:29 SPEAKER_005: That do you guys understand where I'm coming from?

00:47:34 SPEAKER_006: Well, add some perspective.

00:47:36 SPEAKER_006: I mean, means nothing to me, mate.

00:47:38 SPEAKER_006: Like, no politics matter at all.

00:47:40 SPEAKER_006: Politics is nonsense when everyone's a Mason.

00:47:43 SPEAKER_003: Well, to me, it's more a matter of who's going to take the government resources.

00:47:51 SPEAKER_003: You know, who's gonna?

00:47:52 SPEAKER_003: It's like a bunch of pirates around the booty, you know, around the booty that they got.

00:47:58 SPEAKER_003: Right.

00:47:58 SPEAKER_003: So... so... so where I'm going with this, right?

00:48:02 SPEAKER_005: Is... and the reason why I'm...

00:48:05 SPEAKER_005: I'm just interjecting.

00:48:08 SPEAKER_005: I just...

00:48:10 SPEAKER_005: I just want to get some feedback from you guys.

00:48:14 SPEAKER_005: Based on my understanding, when I started to learn about the Law of One and the Raw Material, we were talking twenty... you know, twenty-nineteen, twenty-twenty,

00:48:23 SPEAKER_005: and everything all of this stuff made sense to me because it just reaffirmed my belief of what life was, and I wasn't a religious person, but I believed that there was almost like a scientific,

00:48:40 SPEAKER_005: in a sense that there is... there is an... there is a greater you know, quantum physics and so... and quantum mechanics.

00:48:57 SPEAKER_005: Was something that me and Ed were talking about, and Ed introduced to me long before, you know, the Law of One and all that sort of stuff.

00:49:04 SPEAKER_005: But my understanding and my faith and belief in something outside of us was always there.

00:49:11 SPEAKER_005: And then when I learned about the Law of One and the Raw Material, it hit home so hard.

00:49:18 SPEAKER_005: It was like everything that I thought, and more.

00:49:23 SPEAKER_005: You know, it was... it was everything I could have wanted and more, and it changed my life.

00:49:28 SPEAKER_005: Right?

00:49:29 SPEAKER_005: Then now this political drama has happened, and there's a clear distinction between two groups of people that are fundamentally the same.

00:49:41 SPEAKER_005: So, I was saying earlier, you can live on the same street and yet feel so fundamentally different to the person living next door to you, just based on your political values.

00:49:54 SPEAKER_005: Then you've got the right...

00:49:57 SPEAKER_005: You know, if you were to call it that, they're saying so like Jesus is King, which isn't true because Jesus never proclaimed himself to be anything other than our brother.

00:50:15 SPEAKER_005: But yeah, he wanted to show us what we were capable of, right?

00:50:21 SPEAKER_005: And then you've got the democratic kind of perspective, where when people talk about Jesus, they... you know, they're like, you're in the wrong place if you want to talk about that sort of stuff.

00:50:32 SPEAKER_005: So, yeah, not non-religious, right?

00:50:35 SPEAKER_005: Which isn't which isn't wrong, you know, because you know, you're empowering yourself.

00:50:43 SPEAKER_005: And then you've got... you know,

00:50:46 SPEAKER_005: the distinction from even Raw saying that females and males are no different in the sense that you could be a female in one life and a male in the next life, so you know,

00:51:01 SPEAKER_005: you can't pass judgment.

00:51:03 SPEAKER_005: But also, even from a race perspective, you could have been a Black man in the previous life and a White man in the next.

00:51:10 SPEAKER_005: So you know, you can't... you can't have any distinction between because we're all human, so there's no distinction between races, so you can see both sides of that, and there is some middle ground, right?

00:51:26 SPEAKER_005: So I was always a great supporter of RFK, because he wanted to bring people together.

00:51:32 SPEAKER_005: There was unity,

00:51:34 SPEAKER_005: and so the reason why I'm saying this is like where I feel like this message that we're talking about now needs to be... and where I've placed it is when people are arguing online in

00:51:47 SPEAKER_005: YouTube videos,

00:51:49 SPEAKER_005: I make a point of saying, you know, we're not that much different.

00:51:54 SPEAKER_005: That we're actually, you know, very...

00:51:56 SPEAKER_005: We are... we are more.

00:51:59 SPEAKER_005: You know, we are closer in... in who we actually are.

00:52:12 SPEAKER_005: There's actually more that brings us together than divides us, and I feel like, you know, if we were to talk about Orion or we were talking about some other nefarious, you know,

00:52:25 SPEAKER_005: dark shadow government or wherever, however way you want to explain it, there's a clear divide and conquer, you know, narrative.

00:52:32 SPEAKER_005: Um, you know, there... there's a plan.

00:52:36 SPEAKER_005: There's a project like a project designed to now make men hate women and women hate men, and so you see this kind of clear divide where, you know, men and women suddenly are less connected.

00:52:57 SPEAKER_005: They have less... what's the word I'm trying to say?

00:53:04 SPEAKER_005: Reason to... there's more that divides men and women than what brings them together.

00:53:09 SPEAKER_005: But in actual fact, we need each other.

00:53:12 SPEAKER_005: Like men need women and women need men, but now we're looking at, you know, the feminist perspective and the masculine perspective and feminism and all that sort of stuff.

00:53:23 SPEAKER_005: There's a clear desire to separate us, and that separation is what Ra warned against, right?

00:53:34 SPEAKER_005: You know, that if people feel like they are right and the other people are wrong, but yet you're living on the same street and dealing with the same shit,

00:53:44 SPEAKER_005: then you're already living in the divide that we were warned against, right?

00:53:50 SPEAKER_005: So in that situation, I'm trying to say to people, look, you're fighting the wrong fight.

00:53:59 SPEAKER_005: The war isn't with your fellow human or the person that lives in the same street, let alone the same country as you.

00:54:09 SPEAKER_005: There is a divide.

00:54:09 SPEAKER_005: There is a desire to separate us, to divide and conquer us, so that the separation feels natural.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_005: And then, from that point,

00:54:20 SPEAKER_005: the unity that Ra has told us is so important no longer exists because our desire to be right about our opinion or perspective has become more important than our desire to be unified,

00:54:42 SPEAKER_005: and to see the strengths of the individual things that we possess, because yeah, I'm not going to be a great man without a great woman beside me, and you know,

00:54:57 SPEAKER_005: if people want to... but by bringing immigrants into your country, they're trying to create...

00:55:11 SPEAKER_005: a domestic war, and then you become a hater of another human being because he is of a different race, and we would be trading.

00:55:21 SPEAKER_005: You know, you can stay in your country, and if we were trading, we'd all get rich.

00:55:28 SPEAKER_005: We'd all get something out of it.

00:55:29 SPEAKER_005: But by dropping people into a certain area, and then not asking anything from them, you're basically creating an issue between two sets of people that otherwise are decent people,

00:55:46 SPEAKER_005: and now they are becoming monsters because you're bringing the worst out of both those sets of people.

00:55:55 SPEAKER_005: So there is a clear plan to try to manipulate us to hate each other.

00:56:03 SPEAKER_005: So you know where I feel like this message needs to be implemented is within those threads within those arguments where people have started to find themselves divided when actually they're more the same than they

00:56:27 SPEAKER_005: ever were,

00:56:29 SPEAKER_005: not the same, but these silly little things that the media has kind of pushed upon them has made them hate their own neighbour, and yet they live in the same street,

00:56:46 SPEAKER_005: they're using the same power and drinking the same water.

00:56:47 SPEAKER_005: John, John, John, John, do you mind?

00:56:51 SPEAKER_005: Do you mind asking a question?

00:56:52 SPEAKER_006: Like how do you think that relates to what Crow said?

00:56:59 SPEAKER_006: Was that what was saying about well, I could read some of the quote here, the analysis here.

00:57:09 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, let's see what Private Ross.

00:57:11 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, Private Ross.

00:57:12 SPEAKER_006: Fear as distorted love.

00:57:14 SPEAKER_006: Hey, Andre.

00:57:15 SPEAKER_006: Okay, go ahead, Bill.

00:57:16 SPEAKER_006: Andre.

00:57:18 SPEAKER_006: Yep.

00:57:19 SPEAKER_006: We had a little more on this subject too.

00:57:24 SPEAKER_002: You mean there's more in it?

00:57:27 SPEAKER_002: It just was already more content.

00:57:30 SPEAKER_002: There was a long section on.

00:57:31 SPEAKER_002: I know.

00:57:31 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:57:33 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:57:33 SPEAKER_002: There's just a little bit more of it too, though.

00:57:36 SPEAKER_002: There's a little bit more.

00:57:37 SPEAKER_002: Should we?

00:57:38 SPEAKER_002: You want me to redo it, or here?

00:57:41 SPEAKER_002: Let me read a little bit.

00:57:43 SPEAKER_002: Let me just.

00:57:43 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:57:44 SPEAKER_002: And then we'll see if it adds anything.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:57:47 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:57:48 SPEAKER_002: Fear as distorted love, self-preservation, free will, and the spacious self.

00:57:53 SPEAKER_002: Fear is presented here as a central feature of third-density life, and anticipatory.

00:57:57 SPEAKER_002: An anticipatory response to possible pain, loss, injury, or death.

00:58:02 SPEAKER_002: It rises through the interaction of an embodied nervous system, an imaginative mind, and the identity attached to a particular incarnation.

00:58:10 SPEAKER_002: The spiritual task is neither to glorify fear nor to condemn it, but to understand it as catalyst.

00:58:15 SPEAKER_002: Fear as a forecast of the unknown.

00:58:18 SPEAKER_002: Fear often begins before an event occurs.

00:58:21 SPEAKER_002: The mind creates possible futures, and the body responds to those imagined outcomes as though they were already approaching.

00:58:29 SPEAKER_002: It is a part of the human third-density experience on this planet that you have these sensations of fear,

00:58:36 SPEAKER_002: these forecasts of outcomes unknown to your present moment that can feel as if they arise without control or without invitation.

00:58:44 SPEAKER_002: Fear, therefore, involves more than an immediate physical threat.

00:58:48 SPEAKER_002: It's also the mind's attempt to anticipate what may happen, because the future remains unknown.

00:58:54 SPEAKER_002: The imagination supplies scenes, consequences, and dangers.

00:58:57 SPEAKER_002: The results, tensions, can make it difficult to remain present or accept uncertainty.

00:59:02 SPEAKER_002: When deeply grounded in this third-density experience, heavily entrenched in this illusion, it can be hard to accept any outcome.

00:59:09 SPEAKER_002: It can be hard to allow what may happen to happen.

00:59:13 SPEAKER_002: The difficulty lies partially in the desire to secure the future before it arrives.

00:59:17 SPEAKER_002: Fear seeks certainty, while embodied existence continually exposes the individual to change.

00:59:25 SPEAKER_002: So I think, you know, this may be related to, yeah, you know, I used to have those things, but I don't really experience those anymore.

00:59:38 SPEAKER_002: Embodiment and the survival instinct.

00:59:41 SPEAKER_002: Human beings experience reality through bodies capable of pain, pleasure, discomfort, injury, and death.

00:59:47 SPEAKER_002: The mind also generates stories that may feel instinctive rather than deliberately chosen.

00:59:52 SPEAKER_002: Being so bound in your bodies, in your physical forms, that experience sensations such as pain, discomfort, pleasure, and with minds that can be creative in their storytelling, that it is challenging to just simply be,

01:00:05 SPEAKER_002: and that certain thoughts may feel reflexive or instinctual rather than self-created, perhaps out of one's free will.

01:00:12 SPEAKER_002: This survival instinct belongs to the design of the incarnation.

01:00:16 SPEAKER_002: Self-preservation does not automatically indicate spiritual failure.

01:00:20 SPEAKER_002: It reflects the body's role as a temporary vehicle operating within a world of physical consequences.

01:00:26 SPEAKER_002: There is a part of you that is instinctual, that has a bit of that second-density drive for survival, that struggles to perhaps see itself as the one creatorship, its true identity.

01:00:38 SPEAKER_002: The instinctive self sees danger from within the boundaries of the body.

01:00:42 SPEAKER_002: The spiritual self seeks to remember a wider identity that includes but exceeds the survival-oriented personality.

01:00:53 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, man, I agree with Robo Raw.

01:00:55 SPEAKER_006: Like once again, this comes down to you know the lessons of love, right?

01:01:00 SPEAKER_006: See the Creator in all things.

01:01:02 SPEAKER_006: It doesn't matter how bad the fear gets.

01:01:04 SPEAKER_006: You know that you're just a spirit in a body.

01:01:07 SPEAKER_006: So what does it matter?

01:01:08 SPEAKER_006: Yes.

01:01:09 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, pain is not a pleasant experience, but it's experience.

01:01:14 SPEAKER_006: Be grateful for whatever things come there.

01:01:17 SPEAKER_006: I know that they serve purpose.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_006: That they provide, or like, you know, that there's a reason for everything.

01:01:25 SPEAKER_006: Trust in that.

01:01:26 SPEAKER_006: Find the love.

01:01:27 SPEAKER_006: Every single thing doesn't matter about it is.

01:01:30 SPEAKER_006: Find the love inside it.

01:01:32 SPEAKER_006: Amplify that love out to all the bad.

01:01:34 SPEAKER_006: Doesn't matter.

01:01:35 SPEAKER_006: Yes.

01:01:35 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, like I said, like I said in the beginning.

01:01:37 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

01:01:38 SPEAKER_006: Transmute, turn that horrible feeling, no matter what it is, into love again, via knowing it's just Creator.

01:01:44 SPEAKER_006: Oh, it's just Creator.

01:01:47 SPEAKER_002: Hmm.

01:01:48 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

01:01:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:01:49 SPEAKER_002: And that's here for fear is distortion of love.

01:01:52 SPEAKER_002: But okay, we'll quickly do free will within fear.

01:01:56 SPEAKER_002: This passage places free will as a subtle point.

01:01:59 SPEAKER_002: Fear may arise automatically, yet the presence of fear does not exhaust the available choices.

01:02:04 SPEAKER_002: Even these moments of fear are within your free will choice.

01:02:07 SPEAKER_002: Yes, there's a part that is instinctual.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_002: However, my friend, each moment has a choice that can be made, and even subconsciously or unconsciously.

01:02:18 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, so yeah, I, you know, choose not to be afraid.

01:02:26 SPEAKER_002: I choose to find the love.

01:02:27 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, fear is a distortion of love.

01:02:30 SPEAKER_002: Who defines fear relationally?

01:02:32 SPEAKER_002: Fear reveals that something matters deeply enough to be threatened.

01:02:36 SPEAKER_002: Fear, as you know, is a distortion of love.

01:02:38 SPEAKER_002: It is a sensation that comes out of a sense of non-acceptance.

01:02:43 SPEAKER_002: Exactly.

01:02:45 SPEAKER_002: If if you're not willing to accept part of the equation or one of the possibilities, then that opens the door for fear.

01:02:53 SPEAKER_002: But if you're willing to accept all outcomes, then you can be at peace.

01:02:59 SPEAKER_005: The feared loss.

01:03:03 SPEAKER_005: We're talking about when people, you know, have the distortion of fear.

01:03:10 SPEAKER_005: Of fear, these subcategories of that manifest in so many different ways, and even as somebody that doesn't choose to respond or to feel, you know, fear as it were, you can say,

01:03:29 SPEAKER_005: "I choose not to feel fear."

01:03:30 SPEAKER_005: But if your mum dies, that you know, the sorrow and the loss that comes with that is this a subcategory of fear?

01:03:43 SPEAKER_002: Well, I would say that that is just as optional.

01:03:47 SPEAKER_002: A lot of it is very social, and it's just like maybe in your culture, it's socially accepted to have a long grieving process.

01:03:59 SPEAKER_005: But I think that as people that study like we are doing, studying the Law of One, right?

01:04:07 SPEAKER_005: It's our opportunity to kind of guide people, you know, like being, you know, the people that are ultimately, you know, choosing to, you know, to kind of be the messengers or like, you know,

01:04:32 SPEAKER_005: the guides to a more positive perspective or looking at things from a so.

01:04:39 SPEAKER_005: What I'm saying, I suppose, what I'm trying to get is that to go on your example, like of a mother or a wife or children or anything like that, you know, like if I have,

01:04:52 SPEAKER_002: you know, feelings about like strong feelings either way, then I just you know consider all the outcomes, and I learn to forgive, love, and accept them.

01:05:06 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, and so yeah, that means be at peace with whatever happens.

01:05:12 SPEAKER_002: You know, I just put it in the Creator's hands.

01:05:15 SPEAKER_002: You know, if my life continues, if someone else's life continues, that's all in the Creator's hands.

01:05:20 SPEAKER_002: You know, as an example, my wife she recently got emotional because she was reading something she wrote about her uncle dying, right?

01:05:29 SPEAKER_005: And um, she started to get emotional and upset about it as she was reading it, and I lost my mum around about the same time, and I was kind of,

01:05:40 SPEAKER_005: I was through it because I felt like my mum has been there for me since, probably been there for me more since she's passed away,

01:05:51 SPEAKER_005: than and she was my like one of my best friends when she was alive, right?

01:05:55 SPEAKER_005: But I've, I, it's not like faith.

01:05:59 SPEAKER_005: I've got a belief.

01:06:00 SPEAKER_005: I've got a knowing that she's you know, she's guiding me.

01:06:04 SPEAKER_005: She's there with me, right?

01:06:06 SPEAKER_005: So I don't mourn her.

01:06:08 SPEAKER_005: I don't mourn my loss anymore because I feel like I've gained, you know, something.

01:06:14 SPEAKER_005: You know, and I and it's not like a, you know, I kind of choose to believe it because it makes me feel better.

01:06:21 SPEAKER_005: It's a real knowing, right?

01:06:23 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

01:06:23 SPEAKER_005: So with Livy, when my wife Olivia, when she was going through that, um, she's been saying that since we've been together, she started to see, you know, life in a different way,

01:06:36 SPEAKER_005: in a more positive way.

01:06:37 SPEAKER_005: She is no longer a victim of circumstance.

01:06:40 SPEAKER_005: She feels like she has more control over her life, and she feels like she can guide, you know, things in a more positive direction because she doesn't feel like things are happening to her anymore.

01:06:53 SPEAKER_005: She feels like they are all opportunities, right?

01:06:56 SPEAKER_005: So she sees, and then when she went through this, I was like, for me, it was a distortion for me because I was like, ah, I was sad that she was sad,

01:07:09 SPEAKER_005: and so then I had to have a word with myself because I was like, no, you don't judge yourself for being upset, but you know,

01:07:18 SPEAKER_005: but because my kids were looking at her and she was crying, I was like, a little bit of me was kind of like, um, ah.

01:07:26 SPEAKER_005: Um, oh come on, you know.

01:07:30 SPEAKER_005: And then I was like, "How much of an asshole are you?"

01:07:32 SPEAKER_005: To kind of say, oh come on, you know what I mean?

01:07:38 SPEAKER_005: Like, yeah, you're upset that your uncle died, and I'm like, "Oh come on, man."

01:07:44 SPEAKER_005: That's so class British.

01:07:46 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_005: So then I realised that I wasn't where I should be.

01:07:51 SPEAKER_005: You know what I'm saying?

01:07:52 SPEAKER_005: Anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:55 SPEAKER_003: But you just gotta kind of remember that you know, especially being a student of the Law of One, and you know, especially all this information we got, we're always processing catalysts,

01:08:09 SPEAKER_003: and we're always dealing with our emotions, and it's best to do it in a non-biased manner, and kind of outside yourself, and eventually you can do it more and more.

01:08:24 SPEAKER_003: What the goal really is of this place, for as far as I believe the Creator is concerned, and what's going on is that eventually we have to understand,

01:08:36 SPEAKER_003: and really accept that we're in an illusion.

01:08:41 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, everything's illusory, and all this stuff going on, it matters, but it really doesn't matter.

01:08:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, it's an experience, and you know.

01:08:53 SPEAKER_003: And yeah, I mean, I always go back to it's the Creator, it's the Creator.

01:08:59 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, do you know what?

01:09:01 SPEAKER_003: For me, the Creator is experiencing itself.

01:09:04 SPEAKER_005: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent, and that's where it like from a more fundamental perspective, where it is for me, is the knowledge and awareness that you're never gonna be.

01:09:17 SPEAKER_005: You know, you have to accept that you're never gonna be.

01:09:25 SPEAKER_005: If you ever feel like you've got it, like you know, you're then you are far from where you want to be, you know.

01:09:36 SPEAKER_005: So you know, like these experiences of when I feel like balanced in the sense that I've, you know, like many of us, right?

01:09:45 SPEAKER_005: We've been on the receiving end of somebody else's bad choices, right?

01:09:51 SPEAKER_005: Somebody has done something bad, and you have been the victim of that, right?

01:09:55 SPEAKER_005: And then, if you use that victimhood to then do something that is perceived as being wrong or bad,

01:10:06 SPEAKER_005: and you use what has happened to you as being a reason as to why you've done something bad, you're fucked.

01:10:15 SPEAKER_005: But when you start to think, okay, you know, I am gonna make better choices.

01:10:21 SPEAKER_005: I am not a victim.

01:10:23 SPEAKER_005: All of this is opportunity.

01:10:25 SPEAKER_005: Then you're somewhere else, and then when you're at a place where you're, you know, your mum's died, and you're like, she's in a better place.

01:10:32 SPEAKER_005: I feel good.

01:10:34 SPEAKER_005: You know, she feels bad, whatever.

01:10:37 SPEAKER_005: And because yeah, my mum literally was like, I feel so bad the way I treated you and what I did.

01:10:44 SPEAKER_005: And I was like, Mum, I love you.

01:10:45 SPEAKER_005: Is that like there's nothing?

01:10:46 SPEAKER_005: She's on a deathbed, and I'm like, "Mum, I've yet you did it."

01:10:50 SPEAKER_005: And she's like, "I did this, I did."

01:10:51 SPEAKER_005: I'm like, "Mum, please don't like honestly.

01:10:54 SPEAKER_005: I've you know, you love me."

01:10:58 SPEAKER_003: That's when you're starting to get into acceptance, and when the goal is you're finally kind of coming into figuring out that this is an illusion.

01:11:10 SPEAKER_003: What that actually brings the opportunity is has a depth and has depths and has creators because that's what we are.

01:11:19 SPEAKER_003: We're creators.

01:11:20 SPEAKER_003: You know, once we figure out that it's an illusion, then we start manifesting our reality.

01:11:28 SPEAKER_003: And that's what I'm saying.

01:11:30 SPEAKER_005: What I'm saying, sir, is that with all the experience, whether you do something that you feel as negatively affected somebody else, or you've been negatively affected, the fact that we're an illusion.

01:11:45 SPEAKER_005: That our ultimate goal is to not feel like if you've done something bad to someone else that you have learned the lesson not to do that again, and that's the true repentance, right?

01:12:01 SPEAKER_005: To truly repent is to be aware of something that you've done and decide not to do that again, and also self-forgiveness.

01:12:09 SPEAKER_005: So as soon as you can forgive yourself for something that you've done, you can quickly forgive somebody else for what they've done because you know how easy it is to make a mistake.

01:12:27 SPEAKER_005: Like Jesus said, let him who casts the first stone.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_005: Sin in itself, from the Hebrew, when it was translated to the Greek, and then translated into our language, was just making a mistake.

01:12:39 SPEAKER_003: Okay, and what that ultimately does, it stops the karma.

01:12:45 SPEAKER_003: It stops the energy.

01:12:47 SPEAKER_003: It stops the pendulum.

01:12:48 SPEAKER_003: The karma, right?

01:12:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

01:12:50 SPEAKER_003: So, and what is karma?

01:12:53 SPEAKER_003: Karma is inertia.

01:12:55 SPEAKER_003: It's inner because everything is energy.

01:12:59 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

01:12:59 SPEAKER_005: So if we're in an illusion, where but karma becomes a physical, almost like a manifestation, a thought form, and then a thought form,

01:13:10 SPEAKER_005: an entity that doesn't need to exist unless you give it some attention, unless you give it energy.

01:13:17 SPEAKER_005: So by letting things free flow like a river, yeah.

01:13:23 SPEAKER_005: So you don't want to create, you know, a physical barrier for that flow, right?

01:13:31 SPEAKER_005: So you don't create an issue with the things that you've done, but it doesn't mean you can do something bad and then feel even if you're not perfect, and you do something bad,

01:13:45 SPEAKER_003: and you falter, you still forgive yourself and move on.

01:13:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, it's a constant cycle.

01:13:52 SPEAKER_003: It's like, but you've got to have the awareness.

01:13:56 SPEAKER_003: that you did it.

01:13:57 SPEAKER_005: That you've got to have an awareness of the fact that it was there in the first place, and then make good with it.

01:14:08 SPEAKER_003: Well, awareness equates with consciousness.

01:14:13 SPEAKER_003: The more you're aware, the more you're conscious.

01:14:16 SPEAKER_003: The more you're getting closer to the Creator, and then the ultimate awareness is, especially in this sense, that He is starting to try to be aware of the love in the moment.

01:14:32 SPEAKER_003: And so, where I'm at with this, right?

01:14:34 SPEAKER_005: As a like a practitioner of the Law of One, is that when I'm having discussions with people and they're saying blah blah blah blah blah,

01:14:43 SPEAKER_005: a lot of the time I'm going to give you an example.

01:14:46 SPEAKER_005: If somebody does something on the road, and you let them go, you let them pass or whatever, and then they are angry with you,

01:14:55 SPEAKER_005: like you can see this mirror effect where somebody does something like you're standing at a zebra crossing.

01:15:03 SPEAKER_005: Don't know if you've got them in the US, right?

01:15:06 SPEAKER_005: And somebody drives over the zebra crossing that you were just about to cross at, and they are looking at you like you're the asshole.

01:15:17 SPEAKER_005: And it's like I haven't done anything wrong, but you're.

01:15:20 SPEAKER_005: So they're already mirroring what they're expecting your emotion to be when somebody does something that they know is wrong, and they act out the anger that they are expecting from you.

01:15:39 SPEAKER_005: My mother-in-law, yeah, she did something quite horrible to me, and then she hated me, right?

01:15:51 SPEAKER_005: And I didn't feel any hatred towards her, and I was always wondering, like, why she was so horrible to me, right?

01:16:01 SPEAKER_005: She was nasty.

01:16:02 SPEAKER_005: I thought we got on, and when I approached her and I said, "Why are you all like?

01:16:08 SPEAKER_005: Why are you horrible to me?"

01:16:09 SPEAKER_005: She went, "Would you think I'm a money grabber?

01:16:12 SPEAKER_005: This and you think this and you think?"

01:16:14 SPEAKER_005: And I said, "I don't think any of those things.

01:16:15 SPEAKER_005: I've never said that.

01:16:16 SPEAKER_005: That where have you heard that?"

01:16:17 SPEAKER_005: And she said, "I just assumed."

01:16:20 SPEAKER_005: And I was like, "So, so all this time, right?

01:16:24 SPEAKER_005: When I got married to her, yeah, I asked because her dad wasn't around.

01:16:28 SPEAKER_005: Her dad passed away.

01:16:29 SPEAKER_005: I asked her if I could marry her daughter.

01:16:31 SPEAKER_005: I was very respectful.

01:16:32 SPEAKER_005: I said, 'You know, would you let me take your daughter's hand in marriage and recipe?'

01:16:37 SPEAKER_005: And I was very, you know, respectful.

01:16:39 SPEAKER_005: And we were going to buy this house from her brother, Livy, my wife's uncle.

01:16:45 SPEAKER_005: But he died before I'd sold my place."

01:16:49 SPEAKER_005: But he died before I'd managed to buy the place of his house, right?

01:16:55 SPEAKER_005: And I'd agreed to pay a certain amount of money, and I'd moved into this house and rest of it.

01:17:00 SPEAKER_005: And after he died, all the family came out of the woodwork, and her mum, who was witness to me agreeing on this price with him,

01:17:08 SPEAKER_005: she denied ever knowing anything about it because all the family weighed on her, and they were like, "We're not selling it to him for this much.

01:17:16 SPEAKER_005: We're not selling to him."

01:17:17 SPEAKER_005: So she just denied it happened, and I never thought anything other than the fact that she was under a lot of pressure, and my wife was quite upset about it,

01:17:26 SPEAKER_005: but I never passed any judgment.

01:17:28 SPEAKER_005: I was like, you know, we'll work it out.

01:17:32 SPEAKER_005: But this woman hated on me for it.

01:17:34 SPEAKER_005: So then, when on the day I was getting married to her, she was like, well, it's her choice to marry you, blah blah blah.

01:17:40 SPEAKER_005: And I was like, I got on with her.

01:17:42 SPEAKER_005: Why are you being horrible?

01:17:44 SPEAKER_005: So then, when I actually spoke to her about it, she just had this assumption that I hated her, and that's why she hated me.

01:17:52 SPEAKER_005: And I see that that's what happened.

01:17:54 SPEAKER_005: Like.

01:17:56 SPEAKER_005: And as soon as I explained to her, I had no animosity towards her, and I just, you know, she made the choice that she made, and, um, you know, I wanted us.

01:18:06 SPEAKER_005: I thought it was more important that we got on.

01:18:08 SPEAKER_005: She's now loves me.

01:18:09 SPEAKER_005: You know what I'm saying?

01:18:10 SPEAKER_005: Like she, you know, she telling me all the time.

01:18:14 SPEAKER_005: But, but we transmuted something.

01:18:16 SPEAKER_005: You know what I mean?

01:18:16 SPEAKER_005: There was a, a, but and but she just had this preconceived idea that she was going to be, you know, made out to be the bad guy, and I had no intention.

01:18:28 SPEAKER_005: And actually, I had to convince my wife.

01:18:31 SPEAKER_005: She was like, "I'm never gonna forgive this."

01:18:34 SPEAKER_005: And I was like, "I've lost my mum.

01:18:38 SPEAKER_005: Don't lose yours.

01:18:39 SPEAKER_005: Like, understand, you know, she was under a lot of pressure.

01:18:44 SPEAKER_005: That it was not personal.

01:18:45 SPEAKER_005: She just did what she needed to do at the time.

01:18:48 SPEAKER_005: And that was the same with my mum.

01:18:49 SPEAKER_005: When my mum left me, and I was without my mum for a long time.

01:18:54 SPEAKER_005: She never forgave herself.

01:18:55 SPEAKER_005: And when I told her that I loved her, and I, you know, there was nothing personal.

01:19:01 SPEAKER_005: She just, I was just doing like the Law of One tells us: we're just human beings.

01:19:09 SPEAKER_005: We find ourselves in these situations.

01:19:12 SPEAKER_005: We're not.

01:19:12 SPEAKER_005: It's nothing personal.

01:19:13 SPEAKER_005: You know what I'm saying?

01:19:15 SPEAKER_005: You're just a catalyst for somebody else.

01:19:19 SPEAKER_005: You're just the person that was there at the time.

01:19:22 SPEAKER_005: You're not, you know, you haven't got ownership over somebody else.

01:19:27 SPEAKER_005: You know what I'm saying?

01:19:28 SPEAKER_005: You haven't got any right to tell somebody that they fucked up.

01:19:31 SPEAKER_005: Because I tell you what, when you fuck up, don't expect to be forgiven if you're not willing to forgive somebody else.

01:19:38 SPEAKER_005: So if we can just impart that philosophy on everybody who will hear us, then they'll see the point: that you can forgive yourself, and you'll quickly start to forgive everybody else.

01:19:53 SPEAKER_005: You know what I mean?

01:19:55 SPEAKER_002: Oh, I just, it just, we're really short on time, so I just want to quickly go through the rest of this, and then we could discuss a little bit after I finish.

01:20:07 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:20:07 SPEAKER_002: Kuhl describes fear as a distortion of love rather than an entirely separate force.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_002: Fear, as you know, is a distortion of love.

01:20:14 SPEAKER_002: It is a sensation that comes out of a sense of non-acceptance.

01:20:18 SPEAKER_002: The feared loss reveals what the personality values: life, relationship, responsibility, the end of your future possibility.

01:20:24 SPEAKER_002: In some ways, it is an incredibly concentrated yet distorted moment of love.

01:20:28 SPEAKER_002: You recognize all that you care about.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_002: You recognize all that you desire.

01:20:32 SPEAKER_002: For you feel that in that moment you may lose that fear.

01:20:35 SPEAKER_002: Therefore, it becomes a disclosure of attachment and affection.

01:20:39 SPEAKER_002: It shows the seeker where love has become entangled with resistance, change.

01:20:44 SPEAKER_002: Meditation restores perspective.

01:20:46 SPEAKER_002: The purpose of meditation is not to deny danger or suppress bodily intelligence; it is to create enough inner space to see the feared event within a large, pure identity and a larger span of time.

01:20:58 SPEAKER_002: Whenever you can meditate upon that fear and see that whatever may hurt or maim or end this incarnation, as you see it, but a moment in a long period of what you call time,

01:21:09 SPEAKER_002: that you yourself are beyond the bounds of time and space, you may find more space within yourself to have acceptance, to have understanding and forgiveness.

01:21:18 SPEAKER_002: This wider perspective allows fear to become an object of contemplation, rather than the entire definition of the moment.

01:21:26 SPEAKER_002: Acceptance as integration.

01:21:28 SPEAKER_002: After fear has passed, the seeker can revisit it with compassion and ask what it revealed.

01:21:34 SPEAKER_002: When you experience these moments, after you take them into meditation and find loving acceptance for them, perhaps ask yourself, "Why did I have fear in that moment?"

01:21:42 SPEAKER_002: The answer often offered is radical acceptance: All is well.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: All is perfect.

01:21:47 SPEAKER_002: All is right.

01:21:48 SPEAKER_002: This does not erase pain, danger, or need.

01:21:50 SPEAKER_002: It means receiving the actual moment without adding shame.

01:21:54 SPEAKER_002: Any fear can then be understood as a catalyst, survival response that reveals love, exposes attachment, and opens a path towards greater patience, forgiveness, and wonder.

01:22:06 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so, uh, Ed.

01:22:11 SPEAKER_002: Ah, Ed, you had your hand up.

01:22:16 SPEAKER_006: Hello.

01:22:16 SPEAKER_006: Ah, yeah, no, I was just going to say about like the whole thing, well, yeah, what was just said about kind of having detachment from emotions, and you know,

01:22:28 SPEAKER_006: I always think that it's very important to feel the emotion.

01:22:32 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, when the emotion happens, you have to feel it.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_006: You can't ignore it.

01:22:36 SPEAKER_006: But the trick is like feeling it, accepting that feeling for what it is, realizing why you've got it, why it's happened, you know, and then knowing that you can overcome it.

01:22:49 SPEAKER_006: What's that thing about like you only actually feel an actual emotion for about a hundred and twenty seconds, two minutes or so, right?

01:22:58 SPEAKER_006: That's because the fact that's about how much time it takes for your body to react to whatever stimulus, right?

01:23:05 SPEAKER_006: But after that, you reacted.

01:23:07 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, you don't need to continue having that feeling because you think about it, you bring it up,

01:23:16 SPEAKER_006: and then that takes you back to that point to refeel that same feeling that you felt in that 120 seconds, right?

01:23:23 SPEAKER_006: That's dealing with a catalyst, right?

01:23:25 SPEAKER_006: You know, you deal with the catalyst so that you're not dragged back to that emotion, to that fear, to that negative place over and over again.

01:23:35 SPEAKER_006: You know, because any more than the kind of hundred and twenty seconds, and then some time to deal with it, process it, meditate on it, get it all kind of clear.

01:23:45 SPEAKER_006: Anything after that is you doing that to yourself.

01:23:49 SPEAKER_006: Now that's okay if you need to do that.

01:23:51 SPEAKER_006: Whatever else, that's fine.

01:23:52 SPEAKER_006: But realize that, own it.

01:23:55 SPEAKER_006: You know, if you're gonna pull yourself back into loops of trauma and stuff, then you have to realize that you are enforcing distance away from love, rather than pulling whatever it was that trauma,

01:24:12 SPEAKER_006: that catalyst, rather than pulling that back towards love, which is what we should be doing.

01:24:16 SPEAKER_006: You know what I mean?

01:24:19 SPEAKER_005: Anyway, yeah, I won't go on.

01:24:22 SPEAKER_005: I agree with what Ed just said.

01:24:24 SPEAKER_005: I, you know, I feel like the thing for me.

01:24:29 SPEAKER_005: I was talking to my good friend of mine.

01:24:31 SPEAKER_005: He's got a brother who's an alcoholic, and he's like, "I'm done with him."

01:24:36 SPEAKER_005: You know, he's dealing with the ability to be able to respond appropriately.

01:24:42 SPEAKER_005: But ultimately, I don't think he's dealt with the long-term trauma.

01:24:48 SPEAKER_005: So when you truly forgive someone, it's not something that touches that emotional nerve.

01:24:57 SPEAKER_005: So, you know, if something comes up, you could look almost like you need a cigarette, right?

01:25:06 SPEAKER_005: That whole thing will last like a minute and a half, two minutes, and then you're over it, right?

01:25:12 SPEAKER_005: But if you're still addicted, then you'll still have those moments.

01:25:17 SPEAKER_005: But if you get to a point where you completely forgive, that urge doesn't arise.

01:25:27 SPEAKER_005: You start to see, you start to feel less of an attachment to that whole thing, whether it be a person or the situation, and then you can deal with it like from the eagle's perch.

01:25:44 SPEAKER_005: You're looking down from a different perspective.

01:25:47 SPEAKER_005: You're not in it.

01:25:49 SPEAKER_005: You're kind of outside of it, and you're looking at it from a different lens.

01:25:56 SPEAKER_005: So, you know, the emotion no longer is a part of the whole process.

01:26:04 SPEAKER_003: Just remember, in all this, in your imperfection, in your judging ways, in how you see things, there is perfection, and all is well, and all will be well.

01:26:19 SPEAKER_003: Well, it's after seven o'clock, Andre.

01:26:22 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

01:26:23 SPEAKER_003: All right.

01:26:24 SPEAKER_003: So, seven o'clock, East Coast time.

01:26:28 SPEAKER_002: Well, it's uh, it's nine o'clock East Coast time.

01:26:31 SPEAKER_002: As we found you, we leave you in the infinite love, an infinite light of the infinite Creator within you and all around you, my friends.

01:26:41 SPEAKER_002: Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in the infinite power, an infinite peace.

01:26:47 SPEAKER_002: Adonai, Lord Godus.

01:26:51 SPEAKER_002: Hey, Andrei, before we go, are we going to do the next?