Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — September 12, 2026

00:00:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Greetings in the loving light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:04 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm Andrii Zvorygin.

00:00:06 SPEAKER_001: Joined here today with Bill, Ed, and Fred, and we will be reading, channeling from August 30th on Solar Logos, and then later September 6th, and it's going to be about cats and other fun stuff.

00:00:28 SPEAKER_001: Okay, let's dive in, guys.

00:00:32 SPEAKER_001: Greetings, my friends.

00:00:33 SPEAKER_001: I had a question about the, I guess you would call it, the identity of our Logos, our Sun body, soul, to be more specific.

00:00:41 SPEAKER_001: There's this idea of the Solar Body having many different layers of beingness—a more fourth density form, fifth density form, and so on.

00:00:49 SPEAKER_001: There's also this idea of our Solar Body being a haven, an oasis, a home for many non-physical beings living in the Sun, essentially.

00:00:56 SPEAKER_001: So it has this identity as a home?

00:00:59 SPEAKER_001: It has this identity as a structure in and of itself, galactically supporting life and the promulgation of vehicles housing consciousness.

00:01:08 SPEAKER_001: Though I had one experience, several actually, but started off with one, where I was perceiving the Solar Body itself as having a consciousness, one that you could interface with directly,

00:01:19 SPEAKER_001: one that had a form of individuation to it.

00:01:21 SPEAKER_001: So it wasn't like perceiving light beings on the Sun speaking to me, or this disconnection.

00:01:26 SPEAKER_001: Or this disconnected mass awareness of, like a first density kind of consciousness, like a mass consciousness at that level, but this was almost like personality,

00:01:36 SPEAKER_001: like being introduced to the idea of the Solar Body itself, its own beingness, similar to how we view Gaia as having her own personality identity of a sort,

00:01:44 SPEAKER_001: despite being a mass planetary body and having many forms and many beings on her.

00:01:49 SPEAKER_001: So I just wanted to know if you had any comment on the individuation personality identity aspect to the Solar Body.

00:01:56 SPEAKER_001: We are those of Photon, and we think this is a fabulous question.

00:02:01 SPEAKER_001: It, as you suggested, has many layers of understanding, but fundamentally, we would first say, in third density, the main thing that the Sun produces is light, light love.

00:02:13 SPEAKER_001: Those energies pour down and all around you constantly.

00:02:20 SPEAKER_004: When we say that the Sun is the Logos, we mean it is the Logos.

00:02:25 SPEAKER_004: It would be individuated to have specific vibrational patterning, but the personality that you feel when you connect to it is the same personality that every Sun, every Galactic Logos shares.

00:02:42 SPEAKER_004: You are correct that the Sun plays many roles: that of mother, that of father, that of home, that of child growing.

00:02:50 SPEAKER_004: That okay, kind of mean.

00:02:52 SPEAKER_004: Child growing and rearing, I guess, but each one of those roles is again a pure direct flow from Creator.

00:03:00 SPEAKER_004: You could say the pattern is the Creator's will.

00:03:05 SPEAKER_004: The love is the manifestation of the Sun and the light it produces aids and nurtures every part of the creation.

00:03:13 SPEAKER_004: It is interlinked with.

00:03:16 SPEAKER_004: We hope this has given you some points to ponder.

00:03:19 SPEAKER_004: This instrument is we apologize.

00:03:21 SPEAKER_004: We hope that this has given you some understanding to further your meditations.

00:03:29 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:03:30 SPEAKER_004: Did that mean anything to you guys?

00:03:35 SPEAKER_004: I do have follow-ups, but I will hold them until next time.

00:03:45 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:03:45 SPEAKER_004: I guess we can do the follow-ups now.

00:03:47 SPEAKER_004: Ups!

00:03:48 SPEAKER_004: Now, Solar, or should we do Logos?

00:03:59 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:04:01 SPEAKER_004: Um.

00:04:03 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:04:06 SPEAKER_001: Do you guys remember when you asked Fred?

00:04:13 SPEAKER_001: Is it on Sunday?

00:04:16 SPEAKER_001: Is this the Bill?

00:04:19 SPEAKER_001: Fred continued the Logos question.

00:04:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, there was another question afterwards, I believe.

00:04:26 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:04:27 SPEAKER_001: Should we finish that one first?

00:04:29 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:04:31 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:04:33 SPEAKER_001: It would be.

00:04:34 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:04:34 SPEAKER_001: I see.

00:04:35 SPEAKER_001: We have those of a ton.

00:04:37 SPEAKER_001: Would say there's a clear signal now.

00:04:38 SPEAKER_001: If you do have another query, oh, it would just be a confirmation of my understanding.

00:04:44 SPEAKER_001: I'm aware of the mechanics of the Logos in our relationship.

00:04:44 SPEAKER_001: Mechanics of the Logos and our relationship to it from dead city density.

00:04:48 SPEAKER_001: So I guess I will just ask if the personality aspect that I perceived as more like an individuated personality of the Solar Body,

00:04:56 SPEAKER_001: in the same way that we have a personality that you can engage with, despite us being a spark of Intelligent Infinity and a mass of humanity consciousness,

00:05:04 SPEAKER_001: we still have an individuated point that is Ashley or Dan, and you can interface.

00:05:09 SPEAKER_001: I picked up form of that from the Solar Body, which I had never experienced before.

00:05:14 SPEAKER_001: And this personality aspect of the Solar Body sort of took me on a journey to uncover a memory within itself.

00:05:21 SPEAKER_001: And I remember that those of Ross said that our relationship to the Solar Body is from Creator to Creator.

00:05:27 SPEAKER_001: In that case, you would think on a larger scale, but there was the aspect of identity that it had,

00:05:33 SPEAKER_001: and it sounds as though you're saying that is what I picked up is just an aspect.

00:05:38 SPEAKER_001: Well, not just it's a pretty big deal,

00:05:40 SPEAKER_001: but it's an aspect of the Infinite Creator's will manifested in that ton body outside if it's ruled as home life giver assistant architect of the Logos template and so on.

00:05:52 SPEAKER_001: Is that correct?

00:05:54 SPEAKER_004: We are the hosts of a ton, and we would say that it is vastly correct by this analogy's extent.

00:06:01 SPEAKER_004: We would add that it is an individualized personality, but it knows that it is purely a pattern on the Infinite Personality, as it were.

00:06:11 SPEAKER_004: We would also comment on the interaction between Creator to Creator.

00:06:16 SPEAKER_004: This is a perfect example, you could say, to show the hologramatic, of fractal nature of the creation.

00:06:25 SPEAKER_004: Wow, I haven't heard that term.

00:06:27 SPEAKER_004: And each step is repeated at far, far vaster scales than could be imagined.

00:06:33 SPEAKER_004: But the system is the same, repeated from microcosm to macrocosm.

00:06:39 SPEAKER_004: We thank you, my sister.

00:06:40 SPEAKER_004: And hope that this has helped.

00:06:43 SPEAKER_004: All right.

00:06:43 SPEAKER_004: So here, we'll get an analysis of this because I found it to be pretty opaque personally.

00:06:51 SPEAKER_004: But I don't know.

00:06:51 SPEAKER_004: Maybe you guys got more out of this.

00:06:57 SPEAKER_004: I'm a little under the weather right now.

00:06:58 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:07:00 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:07:02 SPEAKER_004: Analysis.

00:07:07 SPEAKER_004: So, like, I don't know.

00:07:21 SPEAKER_004: There's one bit in there that, and it said like the Infinite Personality, you know, like that.

00:07:32 SPEAKER_004: Like, of course, a Sun's gonna have a personality.

00:07:34 SPEAKER_004: If you've got Infinite Personality, then surely everything has personality, right?

00:07:38 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, of course.

00:07:40 SPEAKER_001: Because everything is the One Infinite Creator.

00:07:46 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:07:46 SPEAKER_001: Please, too much.

00:08:05 SPEAKER_001: Okay, here we go.

00:08:06 SPEAKER_001: The deepest thread here is individuality within unity.

00:08:09 SPEAKER_001: Soul, as a real individual consciousness, Haton says the Sun has specific vibrational patterning, and later confirms it as an individualized personality.

00:08:21 SPEAKER_001: So soul is presented as being with its own identity, while remaining an expression of the One Creator.

00:08:28 SPEAKER_001: The higher the consciousness, the clearer the unity.

00:08:30 SPEAKER_001: Soul knows that it's purely a pattern on the Infinite Personality, that may be the ascension lesson.

00:08:37 SPEAKER_001: Individuality remains meaningful while identification shifts from "I am a separate self" toward "I am a unique pattern through which the Creator expresses itself."

00:08:48 SPEAKER_001: Creation is fractal.

00:08:50 SPEAKER_001: Haton calls this the hologramatic or fractal nature of the creation, where the same relationship repeats from microcosm to macrocosm.

00:09:00 SPEAKER_001: Human, Gaia, soul, galaxy, creator.

00:09:02 SPEAKER_001: Many levels of individuation nested within larger beings.

00:09:06 SPEAKER_001: Creator meets creator.

00:09:08 SPEAKER_001: The phrase "Creator to Creator" radically changes the relationship of soul.

00:09:12 SPEAKER_001: The seeker approaches neither as a lesser being nor as a worshiper, but as one expression of Creator encountering another, vastly larger expression of the same source.

00:09:25 SPEAKER_001: A useful meditation from this passage is: What would change if I experienced my personality as the Creator's?

00:09:30 SPEAKER_001: Personality as a Creator's unique pattern, rather than as the boundary of who I am.

00:09:38 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:09:41 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:09:42 SPEAKER_001: So we're moving on to September sixth.

00:09:45 SPEAKER_001: Did you guys want to start with Bill's question and then move backwards, or start at the beginning?

00:09:54 SPEAKER_001: Guys.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, we can do that.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you want to go backwards?

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:09:59 SPEAKER_001: Wanna go backwards?

00:09:59 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:10:01 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:10:02 SPEAKER_001: We will.

00:10:06 SPEAKER_001: Let's see.

00:10:06 SPEAKER_001: Thank you very much.

00:10:09 SPEAKER_001: Um.

00:10:12 SPEAKER_001: You just spoke of a ceiling that would prevent something from happening.

00:10:18 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:10:18 SPEAKER_001: What was the question, guys?

00:10:21 SPEAKER_001: Oh, brother B. Okay, here, here.

00:10:23 SPEAKER_001: Hello, friends.

00:10:24 SPEAKER_001: I have a query on behalf of our brother Bill, and he asked.

00:10:27 SPEAKER_001: Well, he stated.

00:10:28 SPEAKER_001: We hear the Creator gave its creations free will.

00:10:31 SPEAKER_001: From my limited understanding, this was done so the Creator can experience itself as authentically as possible in an infinite amount of ways.

00:10:39 SPEAKER_001: However, it seems that the Creator would know before setting up the illusion for this experience to know itself that it would also experience its shadow side.

00:10:48 SPEAKER_001: The Creator must have known some of its creation would go to the shadow side, yes, the yes side, and the Creator would absolutely need some of its creation to go that way."

00:10:57 SPEAKER_001: So it can experience all things, three hundred sixty degrees self, if you will.

00:11:01 SPEAKER_001: So, with this reasoning of mind distorted as it is, it seems the Creator needs part of its creation to be on the negative path.

00:11:09 SPEAKER_001: Would the Creator have purposely instilled a negative bias in some of its creation, regardless of free will, in order for the seeming necessity shadow side to manifest and be experienced by the Creator?

00:11:23 SPEAKER_001: We are those of Q'uo.

00:11:24 SPEAKER_004: We thank you for this deep question.

00:11:26 SPEAKER_004: We would say that the prevailing of the negative aspects was relatively unimportant and was not seen as the driving force.

00:11:36 SPEAKER_004: The ability for individualization as the significators allowed for a far more diverse range of interactions between entities.

00:11:46 SPEAKER_004: The Creator, from what we believe, can see all possibility probability vortices, can see every imaginable or infinite possible outcome.

00:11:57 SPEAKER_004: Free will becomes vitally important in collapsing those possibilities into reality.

00:12:05 SPEAKER_004: The Creator gave free will so that itself it had no choice of what possibility probabilities collapsed into our realities.

00:12:15 SPEAKER_004: Therefore, allowing surprise and uncertainty.

00:12:19 SPEAKER_004: As with all things, we like you can only ponder the mind of the infinite Creator,

00:12:25 SPEAKER_004: but we can see those patterns and the negative-positive duality you perceive was given a ceiling because the Creator knew all things would want in the core of their being to return to oneness,

00:12:42 SPEAKER_004: no matter how much they might convince themselves not to.

00:12:47 SPEAKER_004: The Creator's love and faith in its creation is infinite.

00:12:52 SPEAKER_004: We hope that this is given as an adequate answer to meditate on, and we thank our brother for the question.

00:13:01 SPEAKER_004: Okay, what do you think, Bill?

00:13:04 SPEAKER_004: Um, it's not a satisfying answer.

00:13:10 SPEAKER_004: Oh, okay.

00:13:12 SPEAKER_004: Well, did you have a follow-up question?

00:13:15 SPEAKER_004: You weren't there to ask your follow-up question.

00:13:18 SPEAKER_004: I know.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_004: I know.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_004: I know.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_004: It's ah, no, it's just like when we were talking on Wednesday night.

00:13:27 SPEAKER_004: You know, a lot of things ultimately has to come down to acceptance.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_004: You know, I mean, I mean, look, I mean, I can say it's not a satisfying answer,

00:13:38 SPEAKER_004: but I'm not looking from the eighty-thousand-foot view that you know Q'uo and these other entities are looking at things.

00:13:46 SPEAKER_004: They're looking at things, and they do say that you know we can only ponder the mind of the infinite Creator, which is what I'm in essence doing.

00:13:57 SPEAKER_004: So it really, you know, I... you know, I... in reality I wouldn't expect a satisfying answer, anyways, you know, because you know that you know that would have to come from the Creator, you know,

00:14:14 SPEAKER_004: and just like... and how is that possible?

00:14:17 SPEAKER_004: You know.

00:14:17 SPEAKER_001: So, well, I would like to add that it was mentioned in previous channelings that different Logoses have different biases, and our particular Logos is Service-to-Others bias.

00:14:34 SPEAKER_001: We have like a ninety-to-ten ratio, like ninety percent Service-to-Others, ten percent Service-to-Self.

00:14:41 SPEAKER_001: But there are some Logoses where it's like fifty or sixty percent Service-to-Self, with like a minority of Service-to-Others, and at least from my... you know, past lives,

00:14:54 SPEAKER_001: I'm pretty sure I was in like in a cluster of those.

00:14:56 SPEAKER_001: Because I think for like a Trigalactic Empire, you would need to have a very large percentage of Service-to-Self in order for them all to congeal that way.

00:15:08 SPEAKER_001: Okay, this someone commented something, and dude gave a thumbs up.

00:15:13 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:15:15 SPEAKER_001: And Fred said you're seeking a more 3D answer, like I do.

00:15:20 SPEAKER_001: Fred, did you want to comment on that?

00:15:26 SPEAKER_001: I'll just read the GPT here.

00:15:30 SPEAKER_001: Free will creates genuine experience.

00:15:32 SPEAKER_001: Q'uo says the creator can perceive every imaginable or infinite possible outcome, while free will decides which possibility becomes actual.

00:15:41 SPEAKER_001: The point is lived experience, where possibility becomes reality through choice.

00:15:46 SPEAKER_001: Surprise is spiritually important.

00:15:48 SPEAKER_001: The striking line is that free will allows surprise and uncertainty.

00:15:53 SPEAKER_001: In this framework, creation becomes meaningful because even the creator experiences discovery through its individuated selves.

00:16:01 SPEAKER_001: The negative path emerges from freedom.

00:16:03 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl places the emphasis on the ability for individualization, producing a vastly wider range of interactions; service to self becomes one possible expression of individuated consciousness, rather than the central purpose of creation.

00:16:20 SPEAKER_001: All polarity eventually bends back toward unity.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl says there is a ceiling because all things would want, in the core of their being, to return to oneness.

00:16:32 SPEAKER_001: Even extreme separation eventually exhausts itself, because the deepest identity of every being remains the One.

00:16:37 SPEAKER_001: Being remains the loving creator.

00:16:40 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:16:42 SPEAKER_001: For the seeker, the practical lesson is powerful.

00:16:44 SPEAKER_001: Your choices matter because they turn possibility into lived reality.

00:16:48 SPEAKER_001: Ascension becomes the progressive choosing of the reality you wish to embody, while recognizing that every path ultimately unfolds within the same infinite field of consciousness.

00:17:00 SPEAKER_001: Alrighty then.

00:17:02 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I guess then we'll go back to the beginning, unless you guys want to try reading the regular channeling, the Elisa channeling; we can hop around.

00:17:19 SPEAKER_001: Well, what do you want to do?

00:17:24 SPEAKER_001: I want to look at the family one.

00:17:27 SPEAKER_001: The family.

00:17:30 SPEAKER_001: They had one session that talked about family, parent, and child relationships.

00:17:36 SPEAKER_001: Oh, in the new.

00:17:38 SPEAKER_009: Yeah, here you go.

00:17:40 SPEAKER_009: Oh, they got it August sixth.

00:17:41 SPEAKER_009: I thought it said July.

00:17:43 SPEAKER_009: Okay.

00:17:43 SPEAKER_009: Okay.

00:17:45 SPEAKER_001: So, can you speak to the spiritual nature of family relationships, specifically parents and children?

00:17:52 SPEAKER_001: How do we best analyse this unique relationship for spiritual revelation?

00:18:01 SPEAKER_001: Oh, so this is... this is July sixth.

00:18:03 SPEAKER_001: This is July sixteenth.

00:18:05 SPEAKER_001: This is yes.

00:18:07 SPEAKER_001: Wait, no, August sixteenth.

00:18:08 SPEAKER_001: August sixteenth.

00:18:10 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:18:10 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:18:11 SPEAKER_001: I hopped ahead.

00:18:13 SPEAKER_001: Oh, how far in the session is it?

00:18:15 SPEAKER_001: Uh, well, if you just search for the word "family."

00:18:19 SPEAKER_001: Ooh.

00:18:21 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:18:23 SPEAKER_004: It's maybe a quarter of the way down.

00:18:25 SPEAKER_004: Family, parent, love.

00:18:26 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:18:28 SPEAKER_004: It's the second question.

00:18:30 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:18:30 SPEAKER_004: So it says, "Can you see the?"

00:18:31 SPEAKER_004: So you speak to... so you was it this?

00:18:34 SPEAKER_004: Can you speak to the spiritual nature of family relationships?

00:18:38 SPEAKER_004: Is that the question?

00:18:38 SPEAKER_004: Yes, yes, that's all right.

00:18:41 SPEAKER_004: We are those of Q'uo, and we are aware.

00:18:44 SPEAKER_004: Oh, by the way, they have three new channelings.

00:18:49 SPEAKER_004: Yes, yes, I noticed.

00:18:51 SPEAKER_004: I just found that out.

00:18:52 SPEAKER_004: I just saw that.

00:18:53 SPEAKER_004: Okay, we are those of Q'uo, and we are aware and appreciative of this query.

00:19:00 SPEAKER_004: My sister, the relationship between the household, biological or non-biological family, parent and child, can be one of the most pregnant with possibility dynamics.

00:19:13 SPEAKER_004: It is a great opportunity for self to be a reflection of other self in close quarters and everyday contact.

00:19:22 SPEAKER_004: It is a strange and sometimes confusing space to exist, for it is one where one entity may see the other grow and deteriorate, while the other sees the other grow and strengthen.

00:19:36 SPEAKER_004: It is especially unique in that there is this life-giving quality, this investment of sexual and intentional loving energy to create beingness from seemingly nowhere.

00:19:51 SPEAKER_004: That is a most powerful force that life can generate: life through love, and we know that sometimes the biological process of life, creation, may not inherently involve love in terms of a conscious decision.

00:20:08 SPEAKER_004: But my friends, before you came to this incarnation, there was a loving and intentional agreement made between parent and child that this situation, that this experience,

00:20:19 SPEAKER_004: would be fostered to generate catalyst to learn more about Creator, to experience more of that unique tapestry of life, as you call it.

00:20:31 SPEAKER_004: We understand that there are those on this planet who incarnated in certain familiar situations that were incredibly challenging, traumatic, even abusive, violent.

00:20:47 SPEAKER_004: Those are incredibly valid, and those were paths chosen by many of you who wish to be challenged in a way that's far... in a way that sparked ultimate compassion and understanding;

00:20:59 SPEAKER_004: that is one of the most challenging lessons one must take on, and that speaks to your strength.

00:21:06 SPEAKER_004: That speaks to your desire to more fully crystallize and hone the ability to love unconditionally, to open the heart more fully, even at the expense of well-being.

00:21:19 SPEAKER_004: At times, that result... at times, that can result in the martyr's path; and at times it can generate a most beautiful blossoming, both for child and for parent, for abused and abuser,

00:21:34 SPEAKER_004: because again an agreement was made.

00:21:36 SPEAKER_004: However, seemingly outside of reality, it may seem in this incarnation, and we understand that there are those on the other side who incarnated in a most loving, accepting,

00:21:50 SPEAKER_004: beautiful family where parent and child get along like best friends, like soulmates; and in those situations as well, there is much catalyst.

00:22:00 SPEAKER_004: The initial part of the incarnation may seem like smooth sailing, but the greater catalyst comes later in life.

00:22:06 SPEAKER_004: Perhaps when child must tend to parent as they age and deteriorate, and must say goodbye as they transition; or perhaps in situations where the child transitions before the parent,

00:22:19 SPEAKER_004: and the parent must then undergo a grief sense and a great journey of loss and grief of understanding how this could happen.

00:22:29 SPEAKER_004: All of these potentials are made more complex, the catalysts more concentrated, due to the fact that there is shared DNA, due to the fact that the agreements were made many lifetimes ago,

00:22:44 SPEAKER_004: due to the fact that your shared space, your shared names... name at times only hastens and accentuates the love, the anger, the pain, the healing.

00:22:57 SPEAKER_004: Those of you who walk this incarnation with a broken heart, or pain, or baggage due to the parent-child relationship, we ask that you lovingly tend that hurt child;

00:23:08 SPEAKER_004: that you approach that inner child with the same grace that a most loving and accepting parent would, that you treat that inner child in the way that you wish had been treated,

00:23:22 SPEAKER_004: with full love and acceptance, with patience and grace, with understanding, and of course, always with affirmations of perfection.

00:23:32 SPEAKER_004: Boy, I sure needed affirmations of perfection and didn't get them.

00:23:37 SPEAKER_004: Those of you who are parents who have experienced pain in the relationship with the child, we simply ask that you continue to strive to be open-hearted and accepting, to witness the child where they are,

00:23:52 SPEAKER_004: to see them in their imperfect, imperfect perfection, and to learn to love them unconditionally, regardless of that pain, regardless of disappointment, and of or of unmet expectations.

00:24:06 SPEAKER_004: And if they continue to walk away from the love that you give, do not weaken that love for an instant, though they may not feel that love from afar; consciously at the soul level,

00:24:19 SPEAKER_004: you are tending to them.

00:24:21 SPEAKER_004: You are acting upon that agreement that you made.

00:24:25 SPEAKER_004: Those of you who are about to embark on the path of parenthood, we would humbly suggest meditating upon which you feel is most important in parenthood.

00:24:35 SPEAKER_004: Be that the open heart, the full acceptance, the unconditional love, the ability to tend when there is hurt; but also the freedom for that which springs from you to explore, to learn the gentle guidance,

00:24:50 SPEAKER_004: the tending to of curiosity and fostering of wonder, and the full gratitude for this expression of the Creator that you has an extension of the Creator created.

00:25:05 SPEAKER_004: My friends, it is a most beautiful expression of the Creator; and for those of you who may not have the opportunity to experience this from the position of the parent,

00:25:18 SPEAKER_004: we would humbly suggest that there are many opportunities for you to exercise that role in other ways—the tending of plants, of animals, of the home, of friends, of families, and your careers—and most importantly,

00:25:34 SPEAKER_004: of self.

00:25:35 SPEAKER_004: The full and generous tending to of the soul, of fostering that which speaks to you, that aids you to be the most complete version of yourself, and you see yourself though you are already complete.

00:25:52 SPEAKER_004: As you navigate these dances in your spiritual households, know that parenthood is not only biological.

00:26:00 SPEAKER_004: There are chosen families.

00:26:03 SPEAKER_004: There are those who come into your life who are even more important to your learning than those who may have been designed as your parents or agreed upon as your parents.

00:26:13 SPEAKER_004: The same goes for you, parents: that there may be friends along your path who are not your children, but who are bigger parts of your journey.

00:26:24 SPEAKER_004: And so, to say that the relationship between parent and father, between parent and child, or brother, sister, husband, wife, and so on, has a hierarchy would be untrue.

00:26:37 SPEAKER_004: For once you leave this field, experience these roles fade, fall away, and you are simply one with all.

00:26:46 SPEAKER_004: You are not mother.

00:26:47 SPEAKER_004: You are not father.

00:26:48 SPEAKER_004: You are not child, brother, sister, husband, wife, partner, friend.

00:26:52 SPEAKER_004: You are just you.

00:26:53 SPEAKER_004: You are all.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_004: Invite each experience and relationship with the loving care of an open heart, regardless of what that role looks like, regardless of how you identify.

00:27:06 SPEAKER_004: How you identify that role, and you may find the nurturing, cherished experience of the stereotypical parent or the child.

00:27:16 SPEAKER_004: Simply see all of creation as perfect, as worthy, with patience, and you too shall feel that in return.

00:27:25 SPEAKER_004: My friends, we are so appreciative to be able to talk through these dynamics with you from our position, where we are simply a few steps ahead.

00:27:35 SPEAKER_004: We share our insight humbly, for we know that experience can be multifaceted.

00:27:42 SPEAKER_004: We can only speak from ours, and so we hope that we have been able to assist in some way.

00:27:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay, that was a long one, as I guess the yellow research ones tend to be.

00:27:58 SPEAKER_001: So, Bill, did that speak to you?

00:28:01 SPEAKER_001: Because I mean, I think.

00:28:03 SPEAKER_001: Oh, you know, of course, of course it did.

00:28:06 SPEAKER_001: But you know, I mean, you know, trying to get expectations or what do we call them?

00:28:16 SPEAKER_004: You know, you're wishing something that happened didn't happen.

00:28:20 SPEAKER_004: You know, it's—it's—it only can really lead to perfection.

00:28:32 SPEAKER_001: Family mirrors self to self.

00:28:34 SPEAKER_001: Q'uo calls the parent-child bond pregnant with possibility because people reflect one another through years of close contact, love, frustration, care, grief, expectations, and forgiveness.

00:28:44 SPEAKER_001: All become unusually intense teachers.

00:28:47 SPEAKER_001: Parenthood is portrayed as co-creation.

00:28:49 SPEAKER_001: The striking phrase is that life can generate life through love.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_001: Parenthood becomes an earthly reflection of the Creator, bringing forth new centres of consciousness, then allowing them consciousness than allowing them freedom to become themselves.

00:29:02 SPEAKER_001: Healing begins with reparenting the inner child who advises those carrying family pains to treat that inner child in the way that you wish you had been treated with patience, grace, acceptance, and love.

00:29:15 SPEAKER_001: Spiritually, this means becoming within yourself the source of nurturing you once sought externally.

00:29:21 SPEAKER_001: Love eventually releases ownership.

00:29:23 SPEAKER_001: Parents are encouraged to offer the freedom for that which springs from you to explore, to learn.

00:29:30 SPEAKER_001: The child comes through the parent while remaining an autonomous expression of the Creator.

00:29:36 SPEAKER_001: The roles themselves are temporary.

00:29:38 SPEAKER_001: The most expansive teaching comes near the end.

00:29:42 SPEAKER_001: You are not mother, nor father, nor child.

00:29:45 SPEAKER_001: You just are you, and you are all.

00:29:48 SPEAKER_001: Family roles create powerful lessons in sight and creation, while beneath those roles are equal expressions of the same consciousness.

00:29:57 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:29:59 SPEAKER_001: I guess it's time to go about cats because our viewers want to know about cats.

00:30:08 SPEAKER_001: I'm sure.

00:30:10 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:30:18 SPEAKER_001: It was Ed.

00:30:22 SPEAKER_001: Oh, is it one of the?

00:30:23 SPEAKER_001: Anyways, all right.

00:30:27 SPEAKER_001: Bill, are you in the middle of typing over there?

00:30:30 SPEAKER_001: I'm—Yeah, I'm just done.

00:30:31 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:30:32 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:30:33 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's my question.

00:30:35 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, questions very much because normally I'm like semi-unconscious, so you know I got to ask one, which was cool.

00:30:44 SPEAKER_001: Is this from the September six one?

00:30:47 SPEAKER_001: That's right.

00:30:48 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:30:49 SPEAKER_001: So you're on the cats one.

00:30:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:30:51 SPEAKER_001: Hello, cool.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_001: I'd like to ask a question about our second density friends, cats.

00:30:56 SPEAKER_001: My cat basically just sat on me while I was tuning and connecting, and normally I find it very therapeutic and helpful.

00:31:03 SPEAKER_001: Part when he does kind of get involved, but today I found kind of—I don't know.

00:31:08 SPEAKER_001: It felt like it was a blockage, as it were.

00:31:11 SPEAKER_001: And I've had a thought for a while about cats having a kind of spiritual role in human lives.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_001: I'd just like you to comment on their actual effect, positive or negative, in a spiritual seeking, and why he this time might have blocked my connection, as it were, if it was him.

00:31:24 SPEAKER_001: Yes, I hope that's okay.

00:31:25 SPEAKER_001: Question.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_004: We thank you, our brother, for the query.

00:31:30 SPEAKER_004: We are those of Q'uo, and as you might expect, we will be unable to divulge the catalytic mechanics behind this particular experience for you, and encourage the seeking,

00:31:41 SPEAKER_004: as we know you are capable of doing, to discover personally this particular incident's meaning for you, its lesson, and what it might be teaching you, or what it might be calling to mind for you,

00:31:54 SPEAKER_004: also understanding that perhaps there are certain events that occur that have little to do with lesson or something to be reflected upon,

00:32:03 SPEAKER_004: and much more occurring in order to prevent something from happening that is not meant to happen.

00:32:10 SPEAKER_004: So we will only say so.

00:32:12 SPEAKER_004: We will say only this much on that topic.

00:32:17 SPEAKER_004: We understand that there are many materials on your world that speak of the nature of felines, and at some point in your multidimensional history,

00:32:26 SPEAKER_004: there were even greater bodies of knowledge available and interactions relating to those entities of feline nature.

00:32:36 SPEAKER_004: Though they were not second density, they were not of the occupation of pet, but were entities sentient and evolving in their own right, and to them you have all relation.

00:32:52 SPEAKER_004: But this is all we may say on this.

00:32:56 SPEAKER_004: In general, any second density companion, even first density companions, may be a positive catalyst.

00:33:03 SPEAKER_004: We perceive from their collective consciousness the abundance of love embedded within them, love of the infinite Creator, and so you are drawn to each other to have experiences to find meaning and relationship,

00:33:19 SPEAKER_004: and in this way, it is a microcosm of the infinite Creator loving on you, getting to know you.

00:33:26 SPEAKER_004: It is fragmented other self.

00:33:29 SPEAKER_004: It's fragmented other self, and so we see this is a beautiful relationship, the dynamic of companionship.

00:33:36 SPEAKER_004: It ultimately designed to increase love and catalytic growth for both.

00:33:41 SPEAKER_004: You may use it to a positive or negative, and if you use—and if you so desire—but we wish to share that the second density and first density kingdoms love you all very much,

00:33:52 SPEAKER_004: wish to support you in your evolution.

00:33:55 SPEAKER_004: They are driven by the love that the infinite intelligence has for you, and so you will always match and you will always collide and be around one another.

00:34:05 SPEAKER_004: Your bond is inherently supposed to be of a positive nature, though we understand experiences may vary according to the incarnate.

00:34:19 SPEAKER_004: May we provide clarity on any other aspect?

00:34:24 SPEAKER_001: Right.

00:34:24 SPEAKER_001: Is the next one about cats too, or is that it for the cats?

00:34:30 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I think the next two are.

00:34:32 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:34:32 SPEAKER_001: No, that was really quite wonderful.

00:34:35 SPEAKER_001: My next question would be about—I've noticed that you know, he seems to be very aware of energies, as it were.

00:34:42 SPEAKER_001: I have a pyramid structure, and I meditate with, and I quite often see him set right in the very centre of the pyramid.

00:34:50 SPEAKER_001: Once again, whenever I'm doing meditative or ritualistic works, he seems to want to be close and involved when the energies are highest.

00:34:57 SPEAKER_001: Could you comment on their ability, sense, and whether they have a heightened sense of those energies, as it were?

00:35:06 SPEAKER_004: We are those of Q'uo, and we perceive that your second density companion is—any companion is information of identity, is information of personality, beingness is being,

00:35:16 SPEAKER_004: getting to gain traction in preparation for its not quite manifested but approaching third density expression, and so to that end, this little one will hunger for the higher energies, as you would call them,

00:35:32 SPEAKER_004: the more cosmically aligned energies, in order to feed that burgeoning selfhood.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_004: We are in agreement with what your world has said about the height and senses of your feline companions.

00:35:45 SPEAKER_004: We see that there are many examples of this perception on your world, many stories and videos about them,

00:35:53 SPEAKER_004: and we will say just—we are in agreement with them that they have been gifted with the ability to perceive beyond, and it is innate in their senses,

00:36:04 SPEAKER_004: in the same way that your reptile called the snake is able to see in the thermal wavelength, and you humans cannot without the technology.

00:36:14 SPEAKER_004: The feeling group is able to perceive wavelengths beyond third density constructs.

00:36:21 SPEAKER_004: They have specialized ocular apparatus that is quite intricate in nature.

00:36:28 SPEAKER_004: When in the future may show this tapestry, that you may draw it.

00:36:34 SPEAKER_004: It is beautiful.

00:36:36 SPEAKER_004: May we provide more clarity on any aspect?

00:36:40 SPEAKER_001: The only other question I'd have on this subject, if I may, is: many of the stories that you know the ancients told about them was that the cats act as protectors,

00:36:52 SPEAKER_001: that they can help ward off and protect humans from negative entities that we can't see.

00:36:57 SPEAKER_001: Is that why they've got those native beliefs to be able to see things and protect us in that way?

00:37:04 SPEAKER_004: We are those who grow, and we do not see that their expressed purpose of creation was for protection of your beingness, and has an alert system metaphysically only.

00:37:15 SPEAKER_004: There are a manifestation of the infinite intelligence experienced itself, and beings over time notice that they were able to perceive the beyond and react.

00:37:29 SPEAKER_004: And certain extents and certain events accumulate.

00:37:32 SPEAKER_004: Accumulated, and beings began to see the pattern and begin to ingratiate themselves with the feline presence in order to make use of this benefit by proximity.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_001: So instead of thinking of them as actively protecting, think of them more as a warning sign to protect themselves.

00:37:53 SPEAKER_001: We enjoy your interpretation for it is empowering; for its empowering angle.

00:37:59 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:38:03 SPEAKER_001: Okay, would it be advisable for me to attempt to go back into meditation and connect further, as you said earlier?

00:38:09 SPEAKER_001: Is there an unknown reason that maybe I shouldn't?

00:38:13 SPEAKER_004: Where there's a cue: "We feel it is appropriate for you to return to meditation."

00:38:20 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:38:21 SPEAKER_004: All right.

00:38:22 SPEAKER_004: Cool.

00:38:22 SPEAKER_004: And Ed says, "Okay, see you in a minute."

00:38:24 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:26 SPEAKER_004: And then Ed channeling's quote next.

00:38:28 SPEAKER_004: All right.

00:38:30 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:38:30 SPEAKER_004: Well, I guess it was pretty straightforward.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_004: We don't really need a breakdown for that, do we?

00:38:36 SPEAKER_004: But I do find it fascinating that they—you know—that they kind of said the feline has.

00:38:46 SPEAKER_004: We're in a higher form here, and there's some people that say like they were like eighteen-foot-tall feline beings that were protecting, like some of the Anunnaki.

00:39:04 SPEAKER_007: Okay, so one, I reckon that they're Lyrians that you're describing, because there's—I read something about how Enki and Enlil were supposed to have a mixture of Lyrian and draconian blood.

00:39:21 SPEAKER_007: Apparently, I'm not sure.

00:39:24 SPEAKER_007: I don't know where that came from, but I read it somewhere the other day.

00:39:29 SPEAKER_007: But the Lyrians would be essentially like you know ten-foot, ten-foot-tall cats, right?

00:39:35 SPEAKER_007: You know, humanoid cats.

00:39:38 SPEAKER_007: So I'm assuming that they were talking about them.

00:39:41 SPEAKER_007: The bit I found interesting was that okay, so the reason I asked the question about the protectors thing is because the whole Sumerian stuff, like the Sumerians wrote about cats,

00:39:53 SPEAKER_007: like basically like they were given to them by the Anunnaki to protect them from ghosts and stuff, or like demons, or I don't bloody know,

00:40:03 SPEAKER_007: like whatever they had back then for that kind of negative entity.

00:40:07 SPEAKER_007: So that's why I kind of asked whether they were there to protect us, and what they said was basically that they weren't put here to protect us,

00:40:17 SPEAKER_007: but people noticed that they could see this stuff, so then they—that's why they put them around temples and you know, like,

00:40:24 SPEAKER_007: so that if there was going to be some kind of entity turn up and attack or whatever, they could, you know, spring into action because all the cats have gone mad.

00:40:37 SPEAKER_001: Well, there's also the Lawrence Cannon had this.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_001: It was the prequel to the Sphinx, the original Sphinx, which was actually just a cat.

00:40:51 SPEAKER_001: It was not a guy with a head, a face of a human, but basically it was after the fall of Atlantis, and they were some service to others, like people,

00:41:04 SPEAKER_001: and they had a temple where you know they were constantly praising the Lord, and they were like very, very thin and very high vibration, and there would be cats that would go into the temple,

00:41:15 SPEAKER_001: and then they would like pet the cat and transfer their high vibration to the cat, and then the cat would go out into the community, and then spread this high vibration throughout the community.

00:41:32 SPEAKER_001: And these people who were in the temple would often wear gold jewelry, and the gold jewelry was to lower their vibration so that it wouldn't be too strong.

00:41:49 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:41:49 SPEAKER_001: And that's why gold became so precious as well.

00:41:53 SPEAKER_007: Okay, so so that's really strange that you said that because that's basically the exact inverse story to what I heard in the first place.

00:42:03 SPEAKER_007: So the story I heard many years ago was that when a cat's like doing that thing where they're staring at something and they're definitely watching something that's there, but you can't see it, you know,

00:42:15 SPEAKER_007: because they've got cat eyes.

00:42:17 SPEAKER_007: But when they're doing that, they're basically like sucking in the negative entity energy from some entity.

00:42:26 SPEAKER_007: So it's like they're draining them or something, right?

00:42:28 SPEAKER_007: So then the entity is like, "Ah, get away from me, cat!"

00:42:30 SPEAKER_007: and runs away.

00:42:32 SPEAKER_007: But then the cat transmutes the negative energy by purring.

00:42:37 SPEAKER_007: So then they come in, and then they'll come over, and they'll start purring, and they'll transfer that negative energy that they just sucked out of the creature that ran away,

00:42:47 SPEAKER_007: and they'll turn it into positive healing energy created by the purring sensation, the purring sound.

00:42:53 SPEAKER_007: Right.

00:42:53 SPEAKER_007: So, that was the story I heard originally, and that's kind of like what you said.

00:42:59 SPEAKER_007: Like you know that that yeah people would fill them up with energy, and then they'd go out into the world and spread that energy.

00:43:08 SPEAKER_007: Kind of the same, I suppose.

00:43:09 SPEAKER_007: Right.

00:43:11 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:43:12 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah.

00:43:13 SPEAKER_001: I guess it's kind of well.

00:43:16 SPEAKER_001: It's—it's kind of a different thing on it.

00:43:20 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, like they were putting positive energy, and then the cats were going out and spreading it, right?

00:43:24 SPEAKER_007: Whereas the other thing said that the cats would soak up negative energy and then turn it into positive energy and go around and spread it.

00:43:32 SPEAKER_007: Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:35 SPEAKER_007: So, yeah, yeah.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_001: Here, I also got ChatGPT to give us a breakdown of the feline contact motifs, lion or cat-like humanoids.

00:43:52 SPEAKER_001: Beginning in 1993, Lyra Murray's Hope the Lion People.

00:44:02 SPEAKER_001: 1988, Pushats.

00:44:07 SPEAKER_001: Direct encounters accompanied by extraordinary familiarity or kinship.

00:44:12 SPEAKER_001: Cat people associated with Sirius guardians, teachers, overseers, rather than ordinary visitors.

00:44:21 SPEAKER_001: Stars feline beings are portrayed as mentors of human civilization.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_001: Some newer exopolitical accounts describe the feline groups as Urma, as powerful independent actors involved in protecting civilizations or confronting hostile groups.

00:44:38 SPEAKER_001: That lines up interestingly with Q'uo's suggestion.

00:44:39 SPEAKER_001: Interestingly, with Q'uo's suggestion of an ancient relationship with sentient feline entities, though each source gives its own cosmology, human-feline ancestry or genetic relationships—one of the strongest recurring claims.

00:44:53 SPEAKER_001: The academic summary of Lyran Darseed material likewise found recurring claims of genetic connection, past-life identity, spiritual kinship with feline beings.

00:45:03 SPEAKER_001: This makes Q'uo's phrase "to them you all have relation" particularly interesting: past life memories and identity as feline beings.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_001: Some people report regressions in which they remember themselves as feline humanoids, commanders, healers, and members of Lyran civilizations.

00:45:20 SPEAKER_001: Lyra, Sirius, and Earth historical trajectory.

00:45:24 SPEAKER_001: This may be the most persistent geographical pattern in the lore.

00:45:27 SPEAKER_001: Stars, material places, and early feline civilization in Lyra, followed by migration towards Sirius after a catastrophic conflict.

00:45:36 SPEAKER_001: Other traditions independently identify feline or leonine beings from Sirius, including older Pashat material, a secondary compilation of Elena Dan's accounts.

00:45:49 SPEAKER_007: So, just to jump in here quickly, go ahead.

00:45:53 SPEAKER_007: I said about the Babylonian thing with the cats.

00:45:56 SPEAKER_007: They said that the cat's eye is the kind of slit shape that it is, and like they said that it's got like dots around it or something.

00:46:04 SPEAKER_007: I can't remember fully, but they said that the reason for the shape that it is is because it represents Sirius.

00:46:14 SPEAKER_007: Oh, okay.

00:46:16 SPEAKER_007: Um, should my friends say Babylon?

00:46:28 SPEAKER_007: They believe in the half-eye sheath.

00:46:46 SPEAKER_007: Okay.

00:46:53 SPEAKER_007: So, um.

00:47:02 SPEAKER_007: Sepkou's wording is actually more restrained than much of the exopolitical material.

00:47:08 SPEAKER_001: There were entities of feline nature, sentient and evolving in their own right, and to them you all have relation.

00:47:14 SPEAKER_001: Okay, fair enough.

00:47:17 SPEAKER_001: Okay, there's genuine ancient feline celestial connection, though the specific claim seems to be later esoteric elaboration.

00:47:26 SPEAKER_001: The ancient evidence gives us something more interesting.

00:47:30 SPEAKER_001: Egypt is especially strong.

00:47:31 SPEAKER_001: Bastet became the sacred feline goddess of protection, fertility, and the household.

00:47:38 SPEAKER_001: Egyptian cat statues are frequently shown alert and guarding, sometimes wearing the wedjat eye, itself a protective divine eye symbol.

00:47:46 SPEAKER_001: Bastet also belonged to the broader complex of feline goddesses associated with the Eye of Ra, divine protection, and solar power.

00:47:55 SPEAKER_001: Meanwhile, Sirius had enormous religious importance in Egypt.

00:47:58 SPEAKER_001: They called it Sopdet Sotis.

00:48:02 SPEAKER_001: Its helical rising heralded the Nile inundation and the new year.

00:48:06 SPEAKER_001: By the New Kingdom, there are explicit references to Isis Sopdet, and later imagery even depicts Isis Sotis with a dog representing Sirius.

00:48:16 SPEAKER_001: Babylon gives us particularly intriguing bridge in mainstream Mesopotamian religion.

00:48:20 SPEAKER_001: In Ishtar's animal is the lion, while her usual astrological manifestation is Venus.

00:48:27 SPEAKER_001: In a Babylonian astrological text discussed by Assyriologist Stephen London, it specifically says Sirius is the stellar symbol of Ishtar.

00:48:37 SPEAKER_001: There you go, Ed.

00:48:40 SPEAKER_001: This same class of text treated stars as manifestations or dwelling places of divine powers.

00:48:46 SPEAKER_001: So we actually have the chain: Sirius-Ishtar line feline symbolism.

00:48:51 SPEAKER_001: This is genuinely Babylonian, even though Ishtar, those Venus is the broader and much better attested astronomical association.

00:48:59 SPEAKER_001: The domestic cat itself is much harder to connect to Babylonian religion.

00:49:06 SPEAKER_001: Sparse Mesopotamian documentation about domestic cats compared to Egypt.

00:49:13 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:49:15 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, there's like Egypt, man.

00:49:16 SPEAKER_007: I think the main records about cats from Mesopotamia, which is pretty standard, is like you know when they catalogue stuff, didn't they?

00:49:26 SPEAKER_007: They like to kind of make sort of lists of stuff, and apparently they had a list of cities that got destroyed and other stuff that got kind of lost in the cities,

00:49:38 SPEAKER_007: and one of these lists you've got like, like the king, the prince, you know, the first knight, the whatever else, and then a big list of cats.

00:49:56 SPEAKER_007: Then high priest.

00:49:58 SPEAKER_007: Then, like, you know this.

00:50:00 SPEAKER_007: Then all the gold.

00:50:01 SPEAKER_007: Then all whatever else.

00:50:02 SPEAKER_007: Like, like the cats were like higher up the list than any of the humans other than like the king.

00:50:12 SPEAKER_007: Um.

00:50:12 SPEAKER_007: What civilization?

00:50:14 SPEAKER_007: Mesopotamia.

00:50:16 SPEAKER_007: Okay.

00:50:17 SPEAKER_007: Sumer, that kind of area.

00:50:18 SPEAKER_007: Oh, and that's where the Anunnaki would have been in.

00:50:22 SPEAKER_007: Exactly.

00:50:22 SPEAKER_007: In fact, one of the things that they used to claim about cats was that cats would know when the Anunnaki were going to arrive.

00:50:31 SPEAKER_007: So, you know, if the cats started acting in a specific way, then everyone would be like, "Quick, okay, get, get everyone, get ready," because you know the Anunnaki were going to turn up.

00:50:43 SPEAKER_007: They're like, they're like, "Daddy's coming home."

00:50:46 SPEAKER_001: Basically, yeah, and like, yeah.

00:50:49 SPEAKER_001: Well, I could not find that, at least not in Assyrian or Babylonian records.

00:50:57 SPEAKER_001: But there was for Egypt.

00:50:59 SPEAKER_001: There's a famous invasion story.

00:51:02 SPEAKER_001: Polyanius says that when Cambyses the Second attacked Pelusium in 525 BCE, or before Christ era, the Persians placed dogs, sheep, cats,

00:51:16 SPEAKER_001: and ibises and other animals sacred to the Egyptians in front of their battle line, causing the Egyptians to stop firing for sheer fear of harming them.

00:51:25 SPEAKER_001: Well, great tactic!

00:51:27 SPEAKER_001: That's brilliant.

00:51:29 SPEAKER_001: Like, was it illegal to kill a cat in Egypt?

00:51:33 SPEAKER_007: Like, like, like, like a death sentence if you killed a cat.

00:51:41 SPEAKER_007: Hold on, let's find out.

00:51:44 SPEAKER_007: Was it illegal to kill a cat in Egypt?

00:51:51 SPEAKER_001: Yes, that's right.

00:51:52 SPEAKER_001: Killing a cat in Egypt could be treated as a capital offence, especially in the late period and the Ptolemaic era.

00:52:00 SPEAKER_007: The same thing, like you know, like they placed more value on cats' lives than humans.

00:52:06 SPEAKER_007: That's that's the same thing that was in the Babylonian thing I read.

00:52:10 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, killing a cat or ibis brought death, whether the killing was intentional or accidental, and the crowds sometimes killed the offender before any trial occurred.

00:52:21 SPEAKER_001: Whoa!

00:52:23 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, he also claims to have personally witnessed an incident at 59 BCE in which a Roman accidentally killed a cat, and an Egyptian crowd killed the man despite the political danger of offending Rome.

00:52:38 SPEAKER_001: It really is like, don't you dare kill.

00:52:41 SPEAKER_001: What does it start wars over a cat?

00:52:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:52:45 SPEAKER_001: I ran accidentally killed cat.

00:52:48 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:52:50 SPEAKER_001: They're really striking.

00:52:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, even accidentally killing could prove fatal or result in immediate mob execution.

00:52:57 SPEAKER_001: That's serious.

00:52:58 SPEAKER_001: What's an ibis?

00:53:01 SPEAKER_001: Is a bird.

00:53:03 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:53:05 SPEAKER_001: Oh, I see.

00:53:05 SPEAKER_001: It's what a toad looks like.

00:53:09 SPEAKER_001: It's what a toad.

00:53:11 SPEAKER_001: Oh, yeah.

00:53:13 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:53:15 SPEAKER_004: Before we go on, I want to go back to the question that I asked and got an answer for.

00:53:21 SPEAKER_004: The one I read it again a couple times, and the more I read it, the more it is actually satisfying.

00:53:28 SPEAKER_004: Because yeah, because um, you know it, you know like these guys got the eighty-thousand-foot view, right?

00:53:37 SPEAKER_004: And we're stuck here in the mire, so like uh, you know.

00:53:42 SPEAKER_004: It says right here that we would say that the prevailing of the negative aspects was relatively unimportant, as it was not seen as the driving force.

00:53:51 SPEAKER_004: You know, so so that to me is talking about the positive-negative duality that we're stuck in, and you know, you know, we place or I place real significance on well.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_004: It wasn't you know that that wasn't the force that drove the Creator to want to experience itself, you know, and basically it's just part of the experience.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_004: And so, being at the level I am, you know, it's a big deal.

00:54:29 SPEAKER_004: But to these guys, it's you know, like they said at the very end, that it says the Creator knew all things would want in the core of their being to return to the Oneness.

00:54:44 SPEAKER_004: And then Fred asked about the ceiling they were talking about in like the prior sentence or something like that.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_004: And ceiling is basically you know seven density.

00:54:57 SPEAKER_004: Basically, you know, all everything the Creator creates because it's the self wants to come back to the Creator.

00:55:07 SPEAKER_004: Because it's going back to yourself, and so by the time you do, these experiences of polarity are just that—they're experiences and learning, learning, you know,

00:55:22 SPEAKER_004: and just about learning and for the Creator to experience itself, you know, because I mean it's interesting because they say the Creator knows, you know,

00:55:33 SPEAKER_004: you can the Creator can see every imaginable infinite possible outcome, but so there's possibility probabilities, but we don't know.

00:55:45 SPEAKER_004: But the Creator doesn't know which one will play out.

00:55:49 SPEAKER_004: So, so you know, it's all just part of the Creator experiencing itself, and you know, we just make.

00:55:57 SPEAKER_004: All right, I'm saying we, but you know, I make a really big deal of polarity, especially in this place, my experience on this planet, and it's just not an end-all, be-all experience,

00:56:11 SPEAKER_004: especially to you know, these higher density beings.

00:56:17 SPEAKER_007: There's a bit in there that I really liked when I reread it, and it was something like, "Has infinite love and infinite faith in us."

00:56:26 SPEAKER_007: Do you mean?

00:56:27 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, yeah.

00:56:29 SPEAKER_007: Has infinite faith in us, not the other way around.

00:56:31 SPEAKER_007: Like I thought that was cool.

00:56:31 SPEAKER_007: Like I thought that was gold.

00:56:36 SPEAKER_007: Yeah.

00:56:38 SPEAKER_007: Oh.

00:56:38 SPEAKER_007: Okay.

00:56:44 SPEAKER_007: Cool.

00:56:45 SPEAKER_007: Yeah.

00:56:47 SPEAKER_007: Um.

00:56:48 SPEAKER_007: Personally, it says the Creator's love and faith in its creation is infinite.

00:56:55 SPEAKER_007: Yep.

00:56:55 SPEAKER_007: For sure.

00:56:56 SPEAKER_007: What are the things?

00:57:00 SPEAKER_001: One of the things I know I find helpful to remind myself of is that, you know, you are loved, like the whole creation sings for you.

00:57:11 SPEAKER_001: You know, like the first and second density entities—they all love you very much.

00:57:16 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, the Creator does, and you know, so many people, even in third density, they love you more than you realize.

00:57:25 SPEAKER_001: You know, and care for you more than you realize, and pray for you, and hopefully for you and hope for you and things like that.

00:57:34 SPEAKER_004: And it's hard to see that sometimes when you come from certain experiences.

00:57:42 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:57:44 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:57:44 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_001: Because we all get our own highs and lows, and sometimes we lose sight of that.

00:57:50 SPEAKER_001: You know.

00:57:50 SPEAKER_001: Well.

00:57:50 SPEAKER_001: Well.

00:57:51 SPEAKER_004: For an example, if you get your ass kicked by your parents or you're treated really horribly by your parents and you experience a lot of pain.

00:58:01 SPEAKER_004: What you ultimately see is the world has an unsafe place, you know, and that's not necessarily true.

00:58:13 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah.

00:58:14 SPEAKER_004: I mean, it could be true, but it's not necessarily true.

00:58:18 SPEAKER_004: And if you're always constantly thinking the world's unsafe, then you're going to manifest an unsafe world.

00:58:25 SPEAKER_004: I think that's what I've done a lot in my life.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:58:32 SPEAKER_001: Sure.

00:58:33 SPEAKER_001: Definitely, you have to have faith in the goodness of people and the goodness of God to provide.

00:58:42 SPEAKER_004: Well, you don't have to, but it makes things well.

00:58:46 SPEAKER_004: If if you're going to want to manifest, because ultimately our thoughts manifest our experience.

00:58:53 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:58:54 SPEAKER_004: And you know, if you're going to manifest a peaceful, loving existence, you know, and be in peace and harmony with those around you,

00:59:04 SPEAKER_004: then you need to have those thoughts to create such peace and harmony.

00:59:14 SPEAKER_004: Yep.

00:59:18 SPEAKER_004: So what you're talking about, Andre?

00:59:20 SPEAKER_004: It's true, you know, and this and that, and people, you know, even me would take it into consideration.

00:59:26 SPEAKER_004: Going, well, okay, people are a lot more loving.

00:59:29 SPEAKER_004: People are a lot more helpful, willing to give you a break.

00:59:33 SPEAKER_004: You know, then you'll start manifesting those people around me.

00:59:39 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yep, that's true.

00:59:43 SPEAKER_004: But because of our pre-incarnative desires, we'll still get catalyst thrown our way.

00:59:51 SPEAKER_004: Thrown away because we do have certain lessons we want to learn, and we can't learn them in a blissful world all the time.

01:00:03 SPEAKER_004: You're stuck in a world of just bliss all the time.

01:00:09 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, man, but I just like to hold on to the fact that, like, I bet you out there in the world right now,

01:00:18 SPEAKER_007: there's far more people smiling and laughing and feeling good and being nice and kind to one another than there are people out there crying or fighting or being horrible to one another.

01:00:34 SPEAKER_007: You know, and there's always gonna be more laughter and joy.

01:00:39 SPEAKER_007: It's always gonna outnumber the evil, no matter how hard.

01:00:43 SPEAKER_007: Galaxy, you know, just how I see it.

01:00:48 SPEAKER_007: This is why.

01:00:49 SPEAKER_007: I don't know.

01:00:49 SPEAKER_007: Maybe a bit, but in other galaxies, not so much, Andre.

01:00:52 SPEAKER_007: Not necessarily, not necessarily.

01:00:56 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah, like depends on the Logos.

01:01:01 SPEAKER_001: I've been in other galaxies.

01:01:03 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you know, it's not always like that.

01:01:06 SPEAKER_001: But this is a good one.

01:01:07 SPEAKER_001: You know, nine to one ratio is pretty good.

01:01:11 SPEAKER_004: Oh, what would you say it was in the other galaxy you experienced?

01:01:17 SPEAKER_004: Five to five, two to ten.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_004: I don't know.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_001: Well, like I was so deeply entrenched in the service-to-self empire that I wasn't even aware of service-to-others.

01:01:32 SPEAKER_001: It was just kind of like an idea that I had after you know being there for like a hundred million years, you know, and as soon as I showed any service to others, stuff.

01:01:48 SPEAKER_001: I was immediately impounded and put into like a gladiator ring, where at the edge of the galaxy, where I was forced to fight until I gave up fighting,

01:02:02 SPEAKER_001: and then I was ejected into intergalactic medium as garbage soul.

01:02:08 SPEAKER_001: Wow, nice.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_001: Well, I was—I was going to say that.

01:02:13 SPEAKER_007: I forgot what I said because I got so into your story.

01:02:18 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, get it.

01:02:20 SPEAKER_007: It'll come back to me.

01:02:21 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, I can't beat that story.

01:02:25 SPEAKER_007: Okay, well, you know that's just what I remember, and that's something.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_007: Thanks.

01:02:33 SPEAKER_007: So, so yeah, I mean, do you think you were in like a third or fourth density SDS or some crap?

01:02:43 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah, I mean, in terms of how we would describe it in this galaxy, it would be service-to-self, fourth density.

01:02:53 SPEAKER_001: Fourth density, SDS.

01:02:55 SPEAKER_001: Yes, but it was kind of like, it's not an exact replica because I was basically the majority of that time I was just a slave.

01:03:06 SPEAKER_001: I was a soul slave, so I was in like these soul containers, and then they would shove them into a robot to animate it.

01:03:16 SPEAKER_001: And then once I would wake up, they would either...

01:03:22 SPEAKER_001: Once I would realize who I was, they would wipe my memory.

01:03:28 SPEAKER_001: And if I would wake up too fast, then they would transfer me to a different type of host body.

01:03:33 SPEAKER_001: And so, like, because these kinds of soul containers, they were cons.

01:03:40 SPEAKER_001: They were considered well.

01:03:41 SPEAKER_001: That was just how things worked over there.

01:03:43 SPEAKER_001: You could only use them so many times before the soul would wise up to it, and then you know at some point I was put on a mining colony where it was just other robots,

01:04:01 SPEAKER_001: and there I managed to wake up and I started to try to make a living.

01:04:08 SPEAKER_001: Make a living.

01:04:09 SPEAKER_001: Were you in a robot body?

01:04:09 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:11 SPEAKER_001: All of this was in robot bodies, and I would...

01:04:16 SPEAKER_001: But more like android or something.

01:04:19 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, you could say it, android.

01:04:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, basically, yeah, depended on like it.

01:04:26 SPEAKER_001: It was a creature-built body, but somehow they were able to inject consciousness into it.

01:04:34 SPEAKER_001: So it was kind of like an upside-down stool.

01:04:42 SPEAKER_001: Like, can you imagine an upside-down stool?

01:04:45 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:04:45 SPEAKER_001: It looks like it has a base, and then it had three rods coming out of it.

01:04:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:04:52 SPEAKER_001: And then they had a special electromagnetic spectrum that prevented the soul from leaving.

01:05:01 SPEAKER_001: Some people think this place is a soul trap, and I'm like, oh no, no, no!

01:05:06 SPEAKER_001: Nothing in comparison to there, you know.

01:05:10 SPEAKER_001: And so, it prevented your soul from leaving because...

01:05:14 SPEAKER_001: Main, could you explain that again, Andre?

01:05:17 SPEAKER_001: The soul trap.

01:05:19 SPEAKER_001: Explain the mechanism.

01:05:21 SPEAKER_001: You just did.

01:05:22 SPEAKER_001: So, so it was a special kind of electric field, like kind of like how your brain has an electric field, and it keeps your body conscious, you know, like say for instance,

01:05:36 SPEAKER_001: if a person goes brain dead, their soul can leave their brain, you know, but anyways, so it was creating a type of field that was not allowing the soul to leave, even though yeah,

01:05:54 SPEAKER_001: that's what they talk about on this planet, and then inside this little base of the stool there, it had a nuclear battery, so it would last for like thousands of years.

01:06:08 SPEAKER_001: And so, is that how you eventually died?

01:06:12 SPEAKER_001: Then your battery died.

01:06:13 SPEAKER_001: Ah, well, basically, when we were ejected, because it was not just me, but a bunch of other garbage souls that were ejected into intergalactic space, and then eventually some...

01:06:24 SPEAKER_001: You called yourselves garbage souls.

01:06:27 SPEAKER_001: Well, that's what we were classified as by the empire.

01:06:30 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:06:31 SPEAKER_001: Because the reason that they were called that is because in the gladiator arena, when they would plug them into a new body, nothing would happen,

01:06:44 SPEAKER_001: and so this soul was garbage because it wouldn't activate the body, and so they... anyways, um, and because I had been classified as a renegade, I couldn't be put into public service, um,

01:06:58 SPEAKER_001: like into service for the slave-to-service-for-the-slave economy, and so the only place I could go was into an intergalactic space dump.

01:07:06 SPEAKER_001: But because intergalactic space has very little energy, someone from a different civilization came by and saw the energy signature and was taking out the batteries to use for their ship.

01:07:23 SPEAKER_001: And that's how I escaped because someone took out the battery.

01:07:30 SPEAKER_001: And did you know when this happened?

01:07:32 SPEAKER_001: You observed it happening, or you just know that that's the only way that it happened?

01:07:36 SPEAKER_001: Well, I remember it happening.

01:07:39 SPEAKER_001: Okay, remember being there when it happened.

01:07:42 SPEAKER_001: Wow!

01:07:43 SPEAKER_001: And you were free.

01:07:45 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah.

01:07:46 SPEAKER_001: Then I was free, and then I hung out around their spaceship.

01:07:51 SPEAKER_001: Um, and I what do you call it?

01:07:54 SPEAKER_001: There were very few host bodies available, so... so what about going to the interplanes or wherever you know?

01:08:00 SPEAKER_001: There were no interplanes available because this was an intergalactic space.

01:08:05 SPEAKER_001: Interplanes are within a planet, right?

01:08:08 SPEAKER_001: So, for example, like when Maldek was destroyed, there were no interplanes for those souls to go to because the planet was destroyed.

01:08:16 SPEAKER_001: Well, we don't... we don't know that.

01:08:18 SPEAKER_001: Well, we do from the contact.

01:08:20 SPEAKER_001: They said, remember, they were frozen in fear for seven hundred thousand years.

01:08:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, but... that's because nobody could reach them.

01:08:28 SPEAKER_001: But... there was... yeah, it was also because they didn't have any place to go, and eventually someone did reach them and managed to shift them into time space.

01:08:41 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:08:42 SPEAKER_004: What about... what about time space over there?

01:08:45 SPEAKER_001: There was no time space.

01:08:48 SPEAKER_001: Well, basically, I did spend some time on the ship, and I guess it was like kind of an acclimating thing, and I spent time with the dog.

01:08:56 SPEAKER_001: There was a dog on the ship, and like partially incarnating as the dog.

01:09:02 SPEAKER_001: And then I went to...

01:09:05 SPEAKER_001: I did manage to achieve the inner planes afterwards, because I had...

01:09:11 SPEAKER_001: I was basically like a ghost for a bit.

01:09:13 SPEAKER_001: You know how ghosts are disoriented souls that don't...

01:09:16 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:19 SPEAKER_004: Okay, but... it seems like ghosts just don't want to recognize reality, though, that they're dead or that they've moved on.

01:09:29 SPEAKER_004: They still think they're well...

01:09:31 SPEAKER_001: So, so you must have still thought I hadn't been in the interplanes in like millions of years, right?

01:09:38 SPEAKER_001: So you forgot about it, right?

01:09:40 SPEAKER_004: Basically, and you forgot about calling for help or anything like that, because in a lot of the NDEs where people start to think they're in hell, you know...

01:09:51 SPEAKER_004: Say like an atheist dies, but they're like born and raised a Christian or something, and they're... they dead, right?

01:09:58 SPEAKER_004: And then all of a sudden they go, "Holy shit, I'm still alive!"

01:10:02 SPEAKER_004: Oh crap, I was told that, you know.

01:10:05 SPEAKER_004: Oh my gosh, I must be going to hell because I didn't believe in Jesus, and so they literally start to think they're in hell, right?

01:10:12 SPEAKER_004: But as soon as they... as soon as they go, "Oh, you know, please Creator, Jesus, help me," they get out of it.

01:10:19 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, awesome, isn't that great, yeah, yeah...

01:10:22 SPEAKER_004: So... so yeah, I mean... so I mean where where I find your story lacking is... is the time... is... is your inability to go into time space.

01:10:35 SPEAKER_001: Well, I did manage to eventually go into time space after some reorienting around the spaceship, where I was a ghost around the spaceship.

01:10:47 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:10:48 SPEAKER_001: And then like after experiencing... well, maybe the dog died or something.

01:10:53 SPEAKER_001: Then I realized, hey, I could go to time space too, and so I went to the interplanes, and then I... you know, so there were interplanes.

01:11:03 SPEAKER_001: I guess so.

01:11:04 SPEAKER_001: I guess there must have been.

01:11:04 SPEAKER_001: I guess it was a time space shift that was difficult for me to achieve.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_001: So I was a ghost on that ship for a while.

01:11:11 SPEAKER_001: So... so you just completely forgot.

01:11:12 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:11:13 SPEAKER_001: What I...

01:11:15 SPEAKER_004: Yes, what I'm getting, you know, which... which I think the people of Maldek did too.

01:11:24 SPEAKER_004: They completely forgot because of the collective fear, because everybody passed at once and didn't know where to go.

01:11:33 SPEAKER_004: So they were in this huge collective fear,

01:11:35 SPEAKER_004: and so you know that... that kind of unity of fear between all those guys kind of made it a bond where nobody could get through till over like one hundred five thousand years later, yeah,

01:11:49 SPEAKER_004: right, exactly.

01:11:50 SPEAKER_004: I mean, and... and that's why when Raw talked, you know, Elkins asked about you know what happened to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki victims.

01:12:02 SPEAKER_004: You know that... they said that the Confederation immediately started going in there and trying to start the healing process because I... you know... they didn't want these guys to be trapped for,

01:12:16 SPEAKER_004: you know... and... and they said at that time that... that they still are trapped or they're still receiving help to get out.

01:12:25 SPEAKER_004: Oh, for the Hiroshima.

01:12:26 SPEAKER_004: Well, the Hiroshima ones.

01:12:28 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah.

01:12:29 SPEAKER_004: From my understanding, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

01:12:30 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_001: So what's happened there is that their souls, some of their souls shattered into... yeah, right, many many pieces, and what they did... is they basically swept them up and put them in a glass jar.

01:12:45 SPEAKER_001: But some of them haven't even started to start reassembling themselves.

01:12:52 SPEAKER_001: At least at the time of the channeling in the '80s.

01:12:55 SPEAKER_001: That's that's your metaphor.

01:12:56 SPEAKER_001: Is they put them in a glass jar, huh?

01:12:59 SPEAKER_001: Well, basically, so that they wouldn't just be like strewn about.

01:13:02 SPEAKER_001: Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

01:13:05 SPEAKER_001: Oh, they... they kind of put the collective fragments of that personality.

01:13:08 SPEAKER_004: Segments of that personality or that soul into a container, into like an energy field or something.

01:13:16 SPEAKER_004: Right, exactly.

01:13:17 SPEAKER_004: Not necessarily not a physical glass jar.

01:13:20 SPEAKER_004: No, no. Yeah, I understand.

01:13:22 SPEAKER_004: That was a metaphor you're using.

01:13:24 SPEAKER_004: Yes, I appreciate it.

01:13:26 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

01:13:26 SPEAKER_007: Although, although, although you say that, but in the voices of Venus, they do kind of describe having to kind of scoop them up like a liquid and put them into a container.

01:13:37 SPEAKER_007: So you're not...

01:13:38 SPEAKER_007: A container, yeah.

01:13:38 SPEAKER_007: You're not too far off from like how they actually describe it on Venus.

01:13:42 SPEAKER_007: Yeah.

01:13:43 SPEAKER_007: Yeah.

01:13:44 SPEAKER_007: Well, that's how I see it, you know, in my mind's eye.

01:13:46 SPEAKER_001: Like, but... but yeah, that they... they like how I see it is like they're kind of like little little balls, you know, or like little fragments,

01:13:55 SPEAKER_001: and then they put them all into like... like a jar, and then they're like in there, and then they hope that they will start to reassemble at some point.

01:14:03 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay, yeah.

01:14:04 SPEAKER_001: And you know...

01:14:06 SPEAKER_004: And the Creators just experiencing it all because it... it... it knows it's not going to lose a piece of itself because that's kind of impossible because we're in an illusion.

01:14:18 SPEAKER_004: Right, right.

01:14:19 SPEAKER_001: And I mean, you know, that had there was an oversoul.

01:14:22 SPEAKER_001: The oversoul is fine, but it kind of lost a part of itself in the explosion.

01:14:29 SPEAKER_001: Wait, wait.

01:14:29 SPEAKER_001: Would the oversoul be?

01:14:31 SPEAKER_004: What do they describe the... the oversoul?

01:14:34 SPEAKER_004: Because they describe that... in seventh density, there is a...

01:14:42 SPEAKER_004: We have a sixth density social memory complex, complex or something like that.

01:14:47 SPEAKER_004: Well, we generally have sixth density oversoul totality complex.

01:14:51 SPEAKER_004: But yeah, totality complex exactly.

01:14:52 SPEAKER_004: But... but so... so that's what the oversoul would probably be, wouldn't you think?

01:14:56 SPEAKER_001: Well, there... there could be.

01:14:58 SPEAKER_001: It depends, actually.

01:14:59 SPEAKER_001: Like at least the Michael Newton work says that basically even a third density person could have, so like a... like a recent third density incarnate has their own oversoul that stays in the inner planes,

01:15:14 SPEAKER_001: and then they might incarnate sixty or eighty percent of their soul into the body, and then twenty percent would remain in the inner planes.

01:15:23 SPEAKER_001: Wait, but isn't... isn't that with most of us?

01:15:27 SPEAKER_001: Most of us are just part of our soul.

01:15:31 SPEAKER_001: Yes, all of us just part of...

01:15:32 SPEAKER_001: All just part of our soul.

01:15:34 SPEAKER_001: Depending on the advancement of our soul, depends on the percentage.

01:15:37 SPEAKER_001: Oh, oh, so... so the lower density you're at, the... the... the higher the percentage.

01:15:48 SPEAKER_001: The higher a percentage of... of the soul incarnates, because when you have a very advanced soul, the body can't handle a significant percentage of the oversoul.

01:16:05 SPEAKER_001: So the body can't handle it.

01:16:07 SPEAKER_001: Yes, until you...

01:16:08 SPEAKER_001: The body can't if you're...

01:16:10 SPEAKER_001: So... so if you do... if you do exactly... if you go to a higher frequency, then you can download more of your soul into it.

01:16:21 SPEAKER_001: I don't...

01:16:21 SPEAKER_001: I don't know if necessarily well it happens during incarnation.

01:16:24 SPEAKER_001: I mean, I mean anything is possible.

01:16:28 SPEAKER_001: Um, but... but yeah, I guess... it's a cool way of viewing it.

01:16:31 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, right.

01:16:34 SPEAKER_004: It's like you know, for like dogs or cats or certain birds, there's their higher self is like a collective higher self.

01:16:45 SPEAKER_004: Right.

01:16:46 SPEAKER_004: Not every single one of the birds has a higher self, but with the whole group, there's a higher self looking after them.

01:16:52 SPEAKER_004: Yes, yes, exactly.

01:16:53 SPEAKER_004: And then the... the incarnate self is the one that learns individual...

01:16:57 SPEAKER_004: Is the one that learns individuation, right?

01:16:58 SPEAKER_001: Like... right, right, right.

01:17:01 SPEAKER_001: To give a human, a more human example, like Ed's cat.

01:17:06 SPEAKER_001: What Ed's cat is on the verge of.

01:17:08 SPEAKER_001: Yes, third density.

01:17:09 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you know, and like most good cat owners are developing their third density animals.

01:17:16 SPEAKER_001: Right.

01:17:17 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:17:18 SPEAKER_001: What... what you were saying, Andre.

01:17:19 SPEAKER_019: That's my understanding for the need for the dual-activated bodies, so that it can incarnate more of a percentage of the spirit complex for... for the... the incarnation.

01:17:35 SPEAKER_019: If it if you don't do that, you'll basically quote unquote fry the circuits of the body complex.

01:17:41 SPEAKER_019: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:43 SPEAKER_019: There's there's many possible ways of frying it.

01:17:46 SPEAKER_004: So... so you call it a spirit complex, kind of like a soul or a consciousness.

01:17:52 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I...

01:17:53 SPEAKER_004: I just when you're when you're referring to like the... the whole thing, I...

01:17:59 SPEAKER_019: I kind of would call it a spirit complex, and that way you're... you're including what's incarnate and also what's not incarnate, because you... you know it... it's almost like like having a battery bank,

01:18:15 SPEAKER_019: and if you put too many of the cells in line, you're going to overcharge the circuit.

01:18:24 SPEAKER_019: Right, right.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_019: You have to build a better circuit.

01:18:31 SPEAKER_019: I prefer that definition than saying that the oversoul is the one.

01:18:36 SPEAKER_019: Yeah, the other half or whatever else.

01:18:37 SPEAKER_019: I...

01:18:38 SPEAKER_019: I prefer that kind of like the spirit complex is.

01:18:42 SPEAKER_019: Sure.

01:18:43 SPEAKER_019: Yeah.

01:18:44 SPEAKER_019: Well, yeah.

01:18:45 SPEAKER_019: I... you know they're both parts of the same whole.

01:18:49 SPEAKER_001: Though I would like to just give that example: I was gonna give about like Himmler, right?

01:18:55 SPEAKER_001: Because Himmler had a service to others to extend the Oversoul, but he decided to polarize on the service to self path.

01:19:03 SPEAKER_001: So just like we were talking about with the animals, right, that have like an Oversoul.

01:19:14 SPEAKER_001: So Himmler, you know, branched off, and now he may be... you know, I don't know his destiny.

01:19:23 SPEAKER_001: You're kind of talking about the higher self of Himmler, right?

01:19:26 SPEAKER_001: So the higher self of Himmler is service to others, but Himmler himself, yeah, um, decides.

01:19:32 SPEAKER_001: No, the higher self isn't service to others.

01:19:34 SPEAKER_004: It's just up there in sixth density, just kind of waiting for Himmler to get, you know, through all the crap that he's got to experience from the Creator.

01:19:45 SPEAKER_001: So, but it's... you could say that his incarnation, the one that was third density and polarized service to self,

01:19:53 SPEAKER_001: is now on a trajectory that could take tens of millions of years before it reconnects to its sixth density service to self.

01:20:07 SPEAKER_001: Well, it would go through the kind of the experience that you said you went through.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_001: Yes, exactly.

01:20:13 SPEAKER_001: In its own, its completely own way.

01:20:15 SPEAKER_001: Right.

01:20:16 SPEAKER_001: Right.

01:20:17 SPEAKER_001: It's a unique way.

01:20:18 SPEAKER_007: And and you know that's exactly what it so needed to do, which is why you play it.

01:20:24 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, everything was always perfect, right?

01:20:26 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, and it's like an individuation, you know, like you get to have your own.

01:20:34 SPEAKER_001: It's it's the Creator experiencing itself.

01:20:36 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, you get your own little nuclear battery.

01:20:39 SPEAKER_001: You get the Prom things.

01:20:41 SPEAKER_001: It's cool.

01:20:41 SPEAKER_001: You know, be a gladiator.

01:20:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and and that's that's the thing, like... after I had my, you know, went to the Interplanes.

01:20:50 SPEAKER_001: There, I didn't come to the Milky Way right away, you know.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_001: I first went to the Triangulum Galaxy, and it's a much smaller galaxy than the Milky Way, and things are a lot lighter there.

01:21:03 SPEAKER_001: And so magic was a really big thing there, and they didn't need technology.

01:21:09 SPEAKER_001: They weren't interested in technology, and so I couldn't manifest.

01:21:12 SPEAKER_001: Um, what do you call liberated robot civilizations?

01:21:17 SPEAKER_001: Oh, they would just like open up portals and like you know they would just like wave their hands and make things happen and appear because it was it was much less dense than here.

01:21:27 SPEAKER_001: Here things are a lot more heavy, and so so then I I was tired of that and I went over to the Milky Way where things are nice and heavy.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_001: Do you know how you found out about the Milky Way?

01:21:38 SPEAKER_001: Well, like basically in the Inner Planes, I was explaining how deeply unsatisfied I was with not being able to fulfil.

01:21:45 SPEAKER_001: Oh, and they're like, "Oh, they probably advised you."

01:21:48 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, exactly.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_001: Wow, it's amazing you can remember this stuff, and it's amazing that I believe you.

01:21:56 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's it's all about setting your intention.

01:22:01 SPEAKER_001: You know, because basically, I just set my intention, and I was following the Buddhist path, Lesser Elephant Footsteps, and in... the ninth step is you remember all of your previous and future incarnations,

01:22:18 SPEAKER_001: and so I just did.

01:22:19 SPEAKER_001: Oh, oh, oh!

01:22:22 SPEAKER_001: You were following a Buddhist thing, and that's how you yeah memories.

01:22:27 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because when I was twelve, I started meditating, and I came across an article that said if you meditate for seven years, you will become enlightened.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_001: I was like, sure, why not?

01:22:37 SPEAKER_001: And then, like, as part of that... as I the path of enlightenment was the Lesser Elephant Footsteps.

01:22:45 SPEAKER_001: So, so it led you then, huh?

01:22:50 SPEAKER_001: Well, it led me.

01:22:50 SPEAKER_001: Well, no, because yeah, when I was nineteen, I gained my enlightenment, and that's when I remembered everything.

01:22:56 SPEAKER_004: Like your your enlightenment being your your knowledge of yourself, right?

01:23:04 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_001: Well, like I think I told you guys before, but basically my enlightenment experience, as I remember it, I was—I had done many different kinds of meditation,

01:23:14 SPEAKER_001: and then my spirit guide said I should try laying down meditation, and I lay down, and then I felt my body dissolve into light, a warm light,

01:23:25 SPEAKER_001: and then I just saw myself and two black dots for eyes, and then in that instance, I remembered everything all at once, and it was like it was forever, but also just... an instant,

01:23:38 SPEAKER_001: and then it took me like a year and a half to write down, um, like what what was going on.

01:23:46 SPEAKER_001: Where is that?

01:23:47 SPEAKER_001: Where is that?

01:23:47 SPEAKER_001: Where is that?

01:23:48 SPEAKER_007: You can remember those things, dude.

01:23:52 SPEAKER_007: I've had that happen like loads of times.

01:23:54 SPEAKER_007: I've never, I can never actually remember it after.

01:23:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:23:58 SPEAKER_001: Well, um, basically it was like the tearing of the veil.

01:24:04 SPEAKER_001: Well, what you what you described... actually, Andre, is kind of what a lot of NDE people have experienced.

01:24:12 SPEAKER_004: They get a download of everything all at once, but they but they don't remember exactly, and they're told they're not going to remember it.

01:24:20 SPEAKER_004: That's the thing that you don't remember it after.

01:24:22 SPEAKER_004: How do you remember the download, dude?

01:24:25 SPEAKER_004: But sometimes my path is about remembering it.

01:24:30 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, but some yeah, but sometimes the NDE people actually do remember it.

01:24:36 SPEAKER_004: Just takes them a long time to get their memory back.

01:24:40 SPEAKER_004: Right.

01:24:41 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:24:42 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:24:42 SPEAKER_004: Well, like you know, I just continued meditating, and writing things down over the years.

01:24:48 SPEAKER_007: So, so you probably put a lot more work into this because if it's if it's just unpacking those those moments, yeah.

01:24:57 SPEAKER_007: I just need to put more work into it because I've I've had tons of those, and it's just like flashes.

01:25:02 SPEAKER_007: Like I said.

01:25:03 SPEAKER_007: I know that I've died on like hundreds of battlefields.

01:25:05 SPEAKER_007: I know for a fact, but I've only seen tiny fractions of a second.

01:25:09 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, you're telling me I can remember every one of those lives just by putting some effort in.

01:25:14 SPEAKER_007: Yeah, yeah.

01:25:15 SPEAKER_007: That's that's exactly what I did.

01:25:17 SPEAKER_019: Ed, that's why I said during my very very first DMT experience that I did properly with meditation beforehand and everything.

01:25:27 SPEAKER_019: I I did everything right.

01:25:29 SPEAKER_019: I and my first experience was probably literally what Andre was describing, and just I experienced it different.

01:25:39 SPEAKER_019: Where I had literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of downloaded zip files all dumped into me at one time,

01:25:47 SPEAKER_019: and all I have to do is go into a meditation with the intention of opening one, and it tells me an entire story.

01:25:54 SPEAKER_019: Yep.

01:25:54 SPEAKER_019: Wow.

01:25:55 SPEAKER_019: Exactly.

01:25:56 SPEAKER_019: Exactly.

01:25:56 SPEAKER_019: And I mean an entire story.

01:25:57 SPEAKER_019: I'm I'm not talking about like... a little fable.

01:26:01 SPEAKER_019: I'm talking about an entire Star Wars trilogy of an epic of like an entire civilization.

01:26:08 SPEAKER_019: Okay, right.

01:26:09 SPEAKER_019: This is this is this is actually doing my editing because I've had hundreds of these.

01:26:14 SPEAKER_007: Like I write them off like this.

01:26:16 SPEAKER_007: Like it's like oh whatever, whatever.

01:26:18 SPEAKER_007: You're telling me that I can unpack these things?

01:26:21 SPEAKER_007: Yes.

01:26:22 SPEAKER_007: Yes.

01:26:23 SPEAKER_007: Self, shut up.

01:26:24 SPEAKER_007: It's a zip file.

01:26:25 SPEAKER_007: It's true.

01:26:26 SPEAKER_007: It's the same thing as a zip file.

01:26:27 SPEAKER_007: I'm telling you.

01:26:28 SPEAKER_007: That's the only thing.

01:26:29 SPEAKER_007: Describe it as.

01:26:31 SPEAKER_007: No. Yeah.

01:26:32 SPEAKER_007: I had just the one.

01:26:33 SPEAKER_007: That was enough.

01:26:35 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:26:35 SPEAKER_004: Really.

01:26:36 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:26:36 SPEAKER_004: And and and Andre, do you think you set yourself up pre-incarnatively to do this?

01:26:43 SPEAKER_001: Oh yeah, for sure.

01:26:45 SPEAKER_001: Because otherwise, well, what about my mother giving me a book called The Third Eye when I was eight years old?

01:26:53 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

01:26:55 SPEAKER_001: You just had this information dropped in your lap.

01:26:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, basically.

01:26:59 SPEAKER_001: And then, like, I I could read that and understand that book, but then I could barely read anything else.

01:27:06 SPEAKER_004: So, meanwhile, when I was eight years old, I was running around like a chicken without my head, no idea what was going on.

01:27:14 SPEAKER_004: Right, exactly.

01:27:15 SPEAKER_001: Like, it was weird because I managed to read that book and totally understand it, but then at school, I could barely read like books.

01:27:23 SPEAKER_001: Right, right.

01:27:25 SPEAKER_001: Hey, what?

01:27:25 SPEAKER_001: About you, Fred?

01:27:26 SPEAKER_004: You think it was you set it up pre-incarnatively for you to get these experiences?

01:27:34 SPEAKER_019: Yeah.

01:27:34 SPEAKER_019: Oh, for sure.

01:27:35 SPEAKER_019: That there's no way that that could just happen randomly.

01:27:40 SPEAKER_019: I I just I realized that a long time ago.

01:27:45 SPEAKER_019: I think a couple years ago now that all of that was and more that and other things.

01:27:51 SPEAKER_019: A lot of things I I know are pre-incarnatively.

01:27:52 SPEAKER_019: Our pre-incarnatively,

01:27:54 SPEAKER_019: and it—it's kind of one of the things that you know keeps me going—is waiting to see what the next pre-incarnative thing I had in line for me because I know there's more than that.

01:28:10 SPEAKER_019: Wow.

01:28:15 SPEAKER_019: Yeah.

01:28:16 SPEAKER_019: Some days are pretty humdrum.

01:28:21 SPEAKER_019: Fair enough.

01:28:23 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:28:23 SPEAKER_001: So we're we're getting to the nine o'clock now.

01:28:27 SPEAKER_001: Were there any final remarks or questions and stuff?

01:28:32 SPEAKER_004: Oh, just just the only thing I say is, what do you what do you want to do next week?

01:28:36 SPEAKER_004: Do you want to go back to the regular channeling and go in order of the channelings that came out by LL Research?

01:28:44 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

01:28:45 SPEAKER_001: I kind of like this jumping around.

01:28:47 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:28:48 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:28:49 SPEAKER_001: You know.

01:28:49 SPEAKER_001: Well, we we can see where the Spirit leads.

01:28:51 SPEAKER_001: All right, we we can finish this one.

01:28:55 SPEAKER_004: I mean, this that that would seem to be a good session that Ashley, and Fred had the other day.

01:29:01 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and there's going to be a new one from them next week.

01:29:03 SPEAKER_004: I I think Ashley's on vacation though.

01:29:07 SPEAKER_004: Oh, Ashley's on vacation.

01:29:08 SPEAKER_019: She's on vacation right now, but she should be.

01:29:11 SPEAKER_019: She should be back by this weekend.

01:29:12 SPEAKER_019: But I wouldn't...

01:29:14 SPEAKER_019: I wouldn't hold my breath.

01:29:15 SPEAKER_019: We might end up skipping this weekend anyway.

01:29:18 SPEAKER_019: Anywhere you know she's that girl's been running around all summer long, bouncing here and there.

01:29:22 SPEAKER_019: And in a couple weeks, I'm gonna be in Maine with her.

01:29:25 SPEAKER_019: So cool!

01:29:27 SPEAKER_019: Yeah, awesome.

01:29:28 SPEAKER_019: We got going up to see.

01:29:32 SPEAKER_019: Raw, huh?

01:29:33 SPEAKER_019: Rawl.

01:29:34 SPEAKER_019: Yeah, we're going to see Rawl, and Dan and Adam are gonna be there, and Sue Ann's gonna be there, Ashley's gonna be there.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_019: A whole bunch of us are gonna be there.

01:29:44 SPEAKER_019: Wow!

01:29:45 SPEAKER_019: Wow!

01:29:45 SPEAKER_019: Awesome.

01:29:46 SPEAKER_019: We're gonna be up by you, Andre.

01:29:48 SPEAKER_019: Really, where?

01:29:50 SPEAKER_019: We're going to be in Maine.

01:29:52 SPEAKER_019: Oh, I see.

01:29:53 SPEAKER_019: Okay, yeah, fair enough.

01:29:55 SPEAKER_019: Yeah, yeah.

01:29:56 SPEAKER_019: Well, Karen, Karen, Tuck, Maine.

01:30:00 SPEAKER_001: Ah, I wish you guys a good time.

01:30:04 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:30:08 SPEAKER_001: So I guess I will round this up here.

01:30:12 SPEAKER_001: I just have to find the window.

01:30:16 SPEAKER_001: Let's see.

01:30:16 SPEAKER_001: Oh, there was someone that said hello, hello, Kyla Bosch.

01:30:22 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:30:25 SPEAKER_001: So as we found you, we leave you.

01:30:27 SPEAKER_001: Oh, here I can fix the stream here.

01:30:34 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:30:36 SPEAKER_001: Where is it?

01:30:37 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:30:38 SPEAKER_001: Oh my gosh.

01:30:39 SPEAKER_001: As we found you, we leave you in the infinite love, and infinite light of the Infinite Creator within you and all around you, my friends,

01:30:50 SPEAKER_001: go forth therefore rejoicing in the infinite power and infinite peace, my friends.

01:30:55 SPEAKER_001: Adonai, Latwii paragus.

01:31:01 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I've ended the stream.