Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — September 5, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: Greetings in the love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:02 speaker_unknown: I'm Andres Morgan, joined here today with Ashley Ed and Bill, and we will be reading an August 30th channeling from Ashley's channeling group.

00:00:14 speaker_unknown: Oh, from the Confederation contacts, Lighthouse and Hatonn, Inner Guidance, Heaven, and the Conscious Sun.

00:00:22 speaker_unknown: All right, hi Lighthouse.

00:00:24 speaker_unknown: Here, I'll full screen that.

00:00:26 speaker_unknown: Hi Lighthouse.

00:00:27 speaker_unknown: I have a question about meditation.

00:00:29 speaker_unknown: A lot of the Confederation channelings I see talk about receiving messages through meditation or guidance through meditation.

00:00:37 SPEAKER_001: If one is more predisposed to visualization types of meditation, can these messages still come through, or does one need to have more of a clear mind when they meditate for this purpose?

00:00:51 SPEAKER_001: We are those of Laitos, and in our humble opinion, we do not feel that there is any one specific manner of information, the perception of that information that is better than another,

00:01:06 SPEAKER_002: or that an incarnate needs to mold themselves to fit the receptivity of messages in a certain format.

00:01:14 SPEAKER_002: You are all unique, and we feel that if the heart calls one to perceive more visual messages and information, and to process energy currents in this way, it is fine to pursue it.

00:01:27 SPEAKER_002: But if this method does not come easily, we would not wish to invite frustration and the striving in a forceful manner,

00:01:35 SPEAKER_002: for this is not necessary to perceive the heart of a message and to apply it.

00:01:40 SPEAKER_002: Does this satisfy the query, our brother?

00:01:44 SPEAKER_001: Sort of.

00:01:44 SPEAKER_001: My point was, for instance, if I'm meditating and I'm doing a mantra, or if I'm doing colour visualization, then my mind is occupied by repeating the mantra or thinking of the colour,

00:01:56 SPEAKER_001: and my own visualization.

00:01:58 SPEAKER_001: I guess my question was: Is that then preventing other messages coming through if I'm actively creating those visualizations rather than leaving my mind open and thoughtless to receive the infinite intelligence coming through?

00:02:12 SPEAKER_002: We thank you for the clarity, our brother.

00:02:14 SPEAKER_002: We are those of Laitos, and again, we find difficulty providing a concise response to this query, for it is going to be unique to each individual.

00:02:24 SPEAKER_002: There are those who, in the mantra, in the extensive visualization, may miss an incoming message from the higher mind to their conscious awareness, and yet the message is still received.

00:02:37 SPEAKER_002: It will just take time to filter up into the awareness, and will manifest in synchronicity, in dream time, or through sudden thoughts and bursts of information or emotional wave patterns.

00:02:50 SPEAKER_002: So there is this understanding that if a message is meant to come through, and one has entered the state of meditation, even if certain visual and auditory devices are used to get there,

00:03:01 SPEAKER_002: the message will come through.

00:03:04 SPEAKER_002: However, personally, we do feel that it is good to start off with the visual aid or the auditory aid, such as the mantra, and then to allow it to fall away.

00:03:17 SPEAKER_002: For example, beginning the meditation with whatever aid pulls the self into a receptive state, but then slipping into the quiet, into the silence, into the stillness and receptivity,

00:03:32 SPEAKER_002: understanding that this does not mean that the thoughts may not float to the surface, but that the self remains focused on gently returning back to the receptive, calm and open state,

00:03:45 SPEAKER_002: and one may realign the vehicle, so to speak, by picking up the mantra or visual tool at intervals, as personally needed, and the self will know when such alignment is needed.

00:03:58 SPEAKER_002: We feel this is beneficial.

00:03:59 SPEAKER_002: This manner of practice, though we do acknowledge that this may be different for various individuals.

00:04:05 SPEAKER_002: May we provide more clarity on this?

00:04:07 SPEAKER_002: No, that was good.

00:04:08 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

00:04:09 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that actually helps a lot.

00:04:12 SPEAKER_001: Oh, hello, Bill.

00:04:14 SPEAKER_001: Glad to see you.

00:04:17 SPEAKER_001: And I think you know that this makes a lot of sense to me, anyways, because it's kind of like when you meditate, oftentimes you like start with a mantra or something like that,

00:04:34 SPEAKER_001: and then you kind of get distracted, so to speak.

00:04:39 SPEAKER_001: But in this case, Bill had a power outage.

00:04:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's what I thought actually.

00:04:44 SPEAKER_001: Oh, yeah.

00:04:46 SPEAKER_001: Well, assuming the power's back on, and anyhow, and then get distracted from the mantra, and then you actually have a vision, and so that's how the messages are getting through, because you're not perfectly meditating,

00:05:05 SPEAKER_001: and that's okay.

00:05:07 SPEAKER_001: So you should just know be grateful for what the subconscious mind brings to you while you're meditating, and then process that with forgiveness, love, and kindness for all beings.

00:05:23 SPEAKER_001: If you're on the service to others path, okay.

00:05:25 SPEAKER_001: Go ahead, Ed.

00:05:27 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I mean, I totally agree with like everything you were saying, and everything that I said.

00:05:32 SPEAKER_001: Like, it's all really, really good advice.

00:05:35 SPEAKER_001: But it's really weird because I'd already kind of connected up to Hatonn, so I was like in the holding pattern for this bit, and I can remember kind of hearing what it was like.

00:05:49 SPEAKER_003: Hatonn was saying stuff, and then either Laitos said it directly afterwards, or I don't know.

00:05:58 SPEAKER_003: It was like they would try to talk or something.

00:06:02 SPEAKER_003: I don't know.

00:06:03 SPEAKER_003: It's really weird.

00:06:04 SPEAKER_003: I remember bits from that when that was happening, and I remember Hatonn being like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah," you know, mentioned going into the side.

00:06:10 SPEAKER_003: You know, mentioned going into the suns.

00:06:12 SPEAKER_003: You know, and then actually you start talking about going into the suns.

00:06:15 SPEAKER_003: It was actually really kind of crazy.

00:06:19 SPEAKER_003: Wow.

00:06:21 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:06:22 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I like the idea of, you know, you can have the best of both worlds.

00:06:30 SPEAKER_003: It seems you can start off with your guided meditation with a visual, your mantras, but then you let it go, and you just receive.

00:06:42 SPEAKER_004: So it's like you go from active participation in meditation to the passive participation in meditation by just receiving.

00:06:51 SPEAKER_004: And then you know how the feeling—if your thoughts about dinner and other stuff come up, then you're like, okay, I need to tune up again.

00:07:02 SPEAKER_004: I need to go back to the visual to get myself back on track.

00:07:07 SPEAKER_004: So it's a nice way to be able to do both and still have a productive meditation.

00:07:14 SPEAKER_004: And there's no mistakes, right?

00:07:16 SPEAKER_004: Only surprises.

00:07:18 SPEAKER_004: Yes, only surprises, and that's comforting to me to know that.

00:07:22 SPEAKER_004: Okay, even if I go into meditation and perhaps I'm not super focused, so I keep going back to a mantra to realign, and then you're thinking, did I miss something?

00:07:36 SPEAKER_004: If you truly need to, you don't miss it.

00:07:38 SPEAKER_004: It's just when it becomes conscious, that timeline changes.

00:07:43 SPEAKER_004: When you become aware of what you got in that meditation, will come out in a different way rather than in the moment.

00:07:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I think that, like, you know, that when you like, okay, so for me, I find that.

00:07:59 SPEAKER_003: Oh no, now I remember what I was going to say.

00:08:01 SPEAKER_003: So this whole thing is kind of like an extended version of bringing it back to the breath.

00:08:06 SPEAKER_003: You know, like everyone says, like if you get random thoughts come up or whatever, you just return to your breath, focus on the breathing, kind of thing.

00:08:13 SPEAKER_003: This is like an extended version of that, you know.

00:08:15 SPEAKER_003: Instead of just going back to the breath, it's like, you know, you have the vision part or whatever else, and then you go back to the mantra to realign,

00:08:22 SPEAKER_003: and then open yourself up to receive, and like, you know, it's the same thing, but yeah.

00:08:34 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:08:34 SPEAKER_003: The other thing I was going to say was like.

00:08:35 SPEAKER_003: So are you?

00:08:38 SPEAKER_003: Go ahead, Bill.

00:08:39 SPEAKER_003: Are you doing the Sunday August?

00:08:41 SPEAKER_003: Are you doing the August thirtieth?

00:08:43 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:08:44 SPEAKER_003: Yes.

00:08:45 SPEAKER_003: Yes, we are.

00:08:45 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:08:47 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:08:48 SPEAKER_001: Good.

00:08:49 SPEAKER_001: We're on discussing question and or the answer to question one right now.

00:08:54 SPEAKER_001: Oh, what page is that?

00:08:56 SPEAKER_001: Two.

00:08:57 SPEAKER_001: Oh.

00:08:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:08:59 SPEAKER_001: Let's see.

00:09:01 SPEAKER_001: Oh man.

00:09:02 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:09:02 SPEAKER_001: Page two.

00:09:04 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:09:06 SPEAKER_001: Sorry about that.

00:09:08 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so I'll go through this ChatGPT, the new ChatGPT six summary.

00:09:17 SPEAKER_001: I had to massage it for a bit.

00:09:18 SPEAKER_001: Okay, honour individuals' individual ways of becoming receptive.

00:09:23 SPEAKER_001: You are all unique.

00:09:24 SPEAKER_001: So yeah, different people have their visions in different ways, and I know what this reminds me of is someone told me they knew someone from Haida Gwaii who was illiterate, but when they would dream,

00:09:43 SPEAKER_001: they would have dreams that were just like the artwork of the Haida Gwaii, and so their way of connecting to spiritual information was through dream.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_001: So it's different for a different people.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: Let's what the.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: What?

00:09:59 SPEAKER_001: What's the the Haidiguy?

00:10:02 SPEAKER_001: Um, you've never heard of it?

00:10:05 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:10:05 SPEAKER_001: Well, in Canada here, I'll just—it's easier to show you on the map.

00:10:13 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I don't know what that is either.

00:10:14 SPEAKER_001: What is that?

00:10:14 SPEAKER_001: Here, so so so here, we're zooming out.

00:10:18 SPEAKER_001: Okay, then we go over to this island.

00:10:23 SPEAKER_001: That's Haida Gwaii.

00:10:26 SPEAKER_001: Oh wow!

00:10:27 SPEAKER_001: Oh wow!

00:10:28 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing place.

00:10:34 SPEAKER_001: It was the only part of Canada that was never under a glacier.

00:10:40 SPEAKER_001: Over here at the edge, here, or like the glacier stopped right here because the temperature here is always ten degrees Celsius, and they were considered the most ferocious pirates in all of the Northwest.

00:10:56 SPEAKER_001: They would raid all of the coastal people and take them away as slaves.

00:11:01 SPEAKER_001: Ouch!

00:11:03 SPEAKER_001: And this is off the coast of British Columbia.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, exactly.

00:11:07 SPEAKER_001: I mean, that was just the culture all over the coast.

00:11:10 SPEAKER_001: So all of all of these people, they had the same potlatch culture, where basically.

00:11:15 SPEAKER_001: But anyways, they they have interesting like Haida Gwaii artwork.

00:11:23 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of iconic, Canadian.

00:11:29 SPEAKER_001: If you if you've ever seen like a totem pole or something, um, it's like this.

00:11:40 SPEAKER_001: This kind.

00:11:40 SPEAKER_001: Oh yeah.

00:11:41 SPEAKER_001: Hey, I know that.

00:11:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's cool, man.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_001: Well, this is Inuit salmon, but yeah, the indigenous.

00:11:47 SPEAKER_001: Maybe this this one's the Haida Gwaii.

00:11:51 SPEAKER_001: There.

00:11:51 SPEAKER_001: That's the Haida Gwaii.

00:11:53 SPEAKER_001: The Raven.

00:11:53 SPEAKER_001: The Raven is their their favorite character, and that's actually the same.

00:11:58 SPEAKER_001: They they started kind of venerating the raven actually before they crossed the Bering Strait.

00:12:08 SPEAKER_001: But anyhow, okay, let's get back to our here.

00:12:14 SPEAKER_001: Let's structure open the way to discovery.

00:12:17 SPEAKER_001: Beginning the meditation with whatever aid puts the self into receptive state, but then slipping into the quiet, into the silence, into the stillness and receptivity.

00:12:27 SPEAKER_001: Structure helps us begin.

00:12:28 SPEAKER_001: Openness allows the experience to change.

00:12:31 SPEAKER_001: In conversation, a prepared question provides direction.

00:12:35 SPEAKER_001: As someone answers, we can release our script and let their experience shape the exchange.

00:12:40 SPEAKER_001: In leadership, an agenda gathers people around a purpose, while attentive listening allows new concerns and possibilities to emerge.

00:12:49 SPEAKER_001: Structure creates the conditions for discovery.

00:12:51 SPEAKER_001: Receptivity gives discovery room to happen.

00:12:56 SPEAKER_001: Move gently between focus and openness.

00:12:58 SPEAKER_001: One may realign the vehicle, so to speak, by picking up the mantra or the visual tool intervals as personally needed.

00:13:04 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, exactly.

00:13:06 SPEAKER_001: So if you feel like I feel like if you get into worrying about your day again, or you know, kind of beta wave thinking,

00:13:17 SPEAKER_001: then you can go back to your mantra until you silence your mind enough that you fall back into theta, so that you're receptive to the what the subconscious has for you.

00:13:31 SPEAKER_001: Give understanding time to emerge.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_001: It will just take time to filter up into the awareness.

00:13:38 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

00:13:40 SPEAKER_001: It's patience.

00:13:41 SPEAKER_001: Patience is a service to others.

00:13:42 SPEAKER_001: Quality for sure.

00:13:43 SPEAKER_001: That's that's one of the things that kind of struck me about that that part of it actually because it kind of reminded me the whole downloads thing, you know, like when you, you know,

00:13:52 SPEAKER_003: you get that ringing in your ears, you turn your head towards it, you know, and then ten minutes later, you just seem to know stuff you didn't know before, you know.

00:13:59 SPEAKER_003: So I kind of I kind of see it as that, like you know, sometimes in meditation, you can get like a couple of brief little flashes of something, but then you know,

00:14:08 SPEAKER_003: an hour or so later, after you've had a bit of a think about it, it's like you know, loads more than those brief flashes, you know, like it's like they're they're little.

00:14:14 SPEAKER_003: Like their their little packets of information that you then unpack, you know.

00:14:23 SPEAKER_003: Interesting.

00:14:25 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, for some reason this is reminding me of a dream I had last night that I had been elected to parliament, and then I was like going to my coordinator, um,

00:14:41 SPEAKER_001: or something like the parliament coordinator, and then I asked her, like, you know, she's the coordinator lady, and then she looked at me funny.

00:14:50 SPEAKER_001: And then I don't know.

00:14:52 SPEAKER_001: She's like, "How do you want me to dress you?"

00:14:54 SPEAKER_001: And she's like, "Like, I'm a force or something."

00:14:56 SPEAKER_001: I I think it was it was melding it with because we'd watched The Flash before.

00:15:02 SPEAKER_001: There's the Speed Force, but anyways.

00:15:04 SPEAKER_001: And so so I said, I had a dream that I had been looked at the part limit, and then she raised her finger and said "Had been," and then I woke up,

00:15:16 SPEAKER_001: and then I couldn't fall back asleep, and it was only four twenty-nine, you know.

00:15:21 SPEAKER_001: So, yeah, I've had a few naps since, but but like after twelve.

00:15:26 SPEAKER_001: So, dude, that's prophetic, man.

00:15:28 SPEAKER_001: That was one of those ones that's like, you know, don't worry, you got this, dude.

00:15:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:15:33 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:15:35 SPEAKER_001: Thanks, thanks.

00:15:37 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, but I mean, that's Parliament.

00:15:40 SPEAKER_001: That's like, that's not even mayor.

00:15:42 SPEAKER_001: That's that's beyond, you know.

00:15:44 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's gonna be in a few years, obviously.

00:15:46 SPEAKER_001: It wasn't tomorrow, but like it's gonna happen, dude.

00:15:49 SPEAKER_001: Okay, well, yeah, we'll see.

00:15:50 SPEAKER_001: It was like had been, you know, and then like just woke up.

00:15:55 SPEAKER_001: It's like wow, it was cool.

00:15:59 SPEAKER_001: All right, give understanding time to merge.

00:16:02 SPEAKER_001: Practice openness without forcing an outcome.

00:16:05 SPEAKER_001: We would not wish to invite frustration and the striving in a forceful manner.

00:16:10 SPEAKER_001: The desire to receive an insight can become another demand we place upon ourselves.

00:16:15 SPEAKER_001: A gentler approach gives us room to attend to whatever is actually present.

00:16:19 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I know that's something, you know, I often remind myself of is to have that gentle touch, not to get overly attached to any outcome, and just to allow things as they are.

00:16:31 SPEAKER_001: You know, because I want to remain in that service to other space.

00:16:34 SPEAKER_001: Like what happens, who gets elected, that's up to God.

00:16:38 SPEAKER_001: You know, I'm just here to forgive, love, and be kind to every moment.

00:16:43 SPEAKER_001: Great, that's beautiful.

00:16:45 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

00:16:47 SPEAKER_001: Where in your life could a little more structure help you become present, and where could loosening that structure help you discover something?

00:16:56 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

00:16:57 SPEAKER_001: I guess that's something to meditate on.

00:16:59 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:17:01 SPEAKER_001: I have to say though, some sometimes in meditation it does kind of feel like that though, right?

00:17:05 SPEAKER_003: You know, you go in with like an intention or something.

00:17:08 SPEAKER_003: And sometimes it can be really frustrating because you don't feel like you've you got what you want out of it.

00:17:13 SPEAKER_003: And then other times you go in, and you know, I don't know.

00:17:18 SPEAKER_003: It will just kind of clicks into place, and it will intuitively kind of one thing to the next to the next, and it's exactly what you needed to happen.

00:17:24 SPEAKER_003: You know.

00:17:26 SPEAKER_003: So yeah, yeah.

00:17:29 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:17:34 SPEAKER_001: So.

00:17:36 SPEAKER_001: Bill, did you want to read the next answer?

00:17:39 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:17:39 SPEAKER_001: Where are we at?

00:17:40 SPEAKER_001: We're on page two.

00:17:42 SPEAKER_001: Page three now.

00:17:44 SPEAKER_001: Page three.

00:17:45 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:17:46 SPEAKER_001: I'll I'll start by reading the second question because the first one had technical difficulties.

00:17:52 SPEAKER_001: I have one query, Laitos.

00:17:57 SPEAKER_001: It would come in the form of a statement, and I would wish you would correct or adjust the statement as needed.

00:18:03 SPEAKER_001: The statement is.

00:18:06 SPEAKER_001: The monad as described by Jesus, God the Father, as is referenced biblically, and what we refer to as the One Infinite Creator are all thing.

00:18:17 SPEAKER_001: That is the statement.

00:18:19 SPEAKER_001: Could you eight on that?

00:18:24 SPEAKER_001: Okay, brother, you have experienced a technical difficulty, so we will ask a restatement.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_001: My apologies, I want you to correct and adjust the statement that I'm going to make if it is needed.

00:18:37 SPEAKER_001: The monad, as described by Jesus, God the Father, as reference to biblically the One Infinite Creator, as we reference it, are all and of the same thing.

00:18:47 SPEAKER_001: That is the statement.

00:18:50 SPEAKER_008: We thank you for this statement, our brother.

00:18:52 SPEAKER_008: We of Laitos may comment on it.

00:18:55 SPEAKER_008: Please understand, our beloveds, that the word used among your peoples have meant other things, have other definitions before the definitions were given,

00:19:07 SPEAKER_008: and then other words and definitions were given for the prior words and definitions, depending on the culture, depending on the time period, and this has happened over hundreds and thousands of years.

00:19:20 SPEAKER_008: One word may transform over the thousands of years and be unlike what it once was meant to mean thousands of years prior.

00:19:31 SPEAKER_008: Also, depending on the power on the system and power of the humans involved, the original meaning and naming of a thing might be tweaked to provide a desired outcome, a desired belief about that thing.

00:19:45 SPEAKER_008: Hence, there will be differences in the description of, and this is the reason why there are many descriptive terms.

00:19:53 SPEAKER_008: We will call them for the one Infinite Creator.

00:19:57 SPEAKER_008: However, with that said, the One, our brother, known as Yeshua, in calling the Supreme and One Infinite Creator a Heavenly Father, or more appropriately, the Supreme Parent of all life, has the original meaning.

00:20:17 SPEAKER_008: A heavenly Father is an appropriate term: a deity of all creation, a God that is fatherly with father attributes.

00:20:25 SPEAKER_008: This is also within resonance to the expressions of the One Infinite Creator.

00:20:32 SPEAKER_008: So we do not say this term "God the Father, the Heavenly Father" is wrong.

00:20:37 SPEAKER_008: It is within resonance to the protecting, nurturing, and creation idea of the One Infinite Creator.

00:20:46 SPEAKER_008: And we also say that the term "Heavenly Mother" would also be appropriate, for this One Infinite Creator gives birth to the creation; both seeding and birthing provides nutrients as the mother does with milk.

00:21:00 SPEAKER_008: So too does the One Infinite Creator through the second distortion of love to nurse all that is, all that exists, continuously.

00:21:10 SPEAKER_008: You are never weaned from this cosmic milk from the One Infinite Creator that is your Father and your Mother.

00:21:18 SPEAKER_008: So we say God the Father, God the Mother, a Heavenly Father.

00:21:22 SPEAKER_008: These are all appropriate terms for the One Infinite Creator.

00:21:26 SPEAKER_008: May we provide more clarity on this topic?

00:21:32 SPEAKER_008: That's actually very clear.

00:21:33 SPEAKER_008: Thank you very much.

00:21:35 SPEAKER_008: I appreciate that.

00:21:37 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so am I hearing this correct that it's just gender-neutral?

00:21:42 SPEAKER_001: Is that, or is there more to this?

00:21:45 SPEAKER_001: Let me finish.

00:21:47 SPEAKER_001: I'll finish.

00:21:48 SPEAKER_008: We thank you, our brother, for the query and for this chance to share with the brothers and sisters of sorrow that the One Infinite Creator is One and Infinite and a Creator,

00:22:00 SPEAKER_008: so all aspects are within that Beingness.

00:22:03 SPEAKER_008: There is an infinite array of roles and manifestations of the One Infinite Creator, of the One Creator.

00:22:10 SPEAKER_008: There are as many as you can see and as many as you cannot see.

00:22:15 SPEAKER_008: So we invite you to not limit the Creator as to what the Creator can be for you; it should be for you.

00:22:23 SPEAKER_008: It is One.

00:22:23 SPEAKER_008: It is Infinite.

00:22:25 SPEAKER_008: So you may freely relate to Intelligent Infinity as your heart dictates, and there is no wrong answer.

00:22:34 SPEAKER_008: And then we thank you, our friends.

00:22:35 SPEAKER_008: Is there another query?

00:22:38 SPEAKER_008: Okay.

00:22:40 SPEAKER_008: All right.

00:22:41 SPEAKER_008: Okay.

00:22:41 SPEAKER_008: I guess I can do a summary.

00:22:43 SPEAKER_008: See if we can extract something out of this.

00:22:45 SPEAKER_008: So the only part of that that I feel kind of... that, that, I, if I was Fred, I'd have questioned further.

00:22:53 SPEAKER_003: Was yeah, he started off talking about the Monad, which you know I kind of personally think of as like the um, the totality spirit complex.

00:23:02 SPEAKER_003: Do you know what I mean?

00:23:04 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_003: But then obviously the Heavenly Father Creator, like all of the other parts of it, made sense.

00:23:09 SPEAKER_003: I think it was just like that one word at the beginning that I think was to find different.

00:23:16 SPEAKER_003: But I suppose like they explained, you know, like over time these things get used for different things, don't they?

00:23:21 SPEAKER_003: They get like, you know, a name will get repurposed.

00:23:24 SPEAKER_003: So you know, yeah, it'll make sense.

00:23:29 SPEAKER_004: I'm listening back to it; the audio.

00:23:34 SPEAKER_004: There's a sentence where it says "the ideal of the One Infinite Creator."

00:23:39 SPEAKER_004: That's not ideal; it's idea.

00:23:43 SPEAKER_004: Oh, the idea.

00:23:44 SPEAKER_004: So that is a typo.

00:23:47 SPEAKER_004: They weren't saying that the Heavenly Father expression of the Infinite Creator is the ideal, but that it is an idea one can have when considering the One Infinite Creator's various manifestations.

00:24:05 SPEAKER_004: I think that's an important point.

00:24:09 SPEAKER_004: Cool.

00:24:09 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:24:10 SPEAKER_004: Thank you.

00:24:10 SPEAKER_004: Thank you for that clarification.

00:24:13 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so yeah, look beyond the shared words to their intended meaning.

00:24:21 SPEAKER_001: I think that's like, you know, don't look at the finger that's pointing at the moon, but look at how language shapes authority.

00:24:29 SPEAKER_001: The original meaning and naming of a thing might be tweaked to provide a desired outcome, a desired belief about that thing.

00:24:38 SPEAKER_001: What behaviour does this description encourage, and whose interest does it serve?

00:24:44 SPEAKER_001: Let different metaphors deepen your understanding.

00:24:47 SPEAKER_001: It is within resonance to the protecting, nurturing, the creation idea of the One Infinite Creator.

00:24:54 SPEAKER_001: Terms "Heavenly Mother" would also be appropriate.

00:24:55 SPEAKER_001: Okay, yes, yes.

00:25:01 SPEAKER_001: The broader lesson is that several perspectives can illuminate different aspects of one relationship.

00:25:07 SPEAKER_001: Recognize receiving as part of the journey.

00:25:10 SPEAKER_001: You are never weaned from the cosmic milk.

00:25:13 SPEAKER_001: Within, you know what?

00:25:16 SPEAKER_001: My actual...

00:25:19 SPEAKER_001: I had a dream when I had a dream of taking communion with Jesus.

00:25:27 SPEAKER_001: At it was, what do you call?

00:25:33 SPEAKER_001: I was also at some point a baby, like breastfeeding from Jesus.

00:25:38 SPEAKER_001: It was kind of like a strange dream.

00:25:41 SPEAKER_001: so this just reminded me of that within the past.

00:25:46 SPEAKER_004: That's very yeah, because there's a famous woman who she was either a nun or something, and she did a painting based on a dream where she was nursing from Jesus too.

00:26:02 SPEAKER_004: Like she's famous.

00:26:04 SPEAKER_004: She wrote a lot of books about Christian mysticism and relationship with Christ consciousness, and one of her visions was of nursing from Jesus herself, but not from the breast.

00:26:18 SPEAKER_004: It was from the wound in his side during the crucifixion.

00:26:22 SPEAKER_004: Oh, okay.

00:26:24 SPEAKER_009: So it's very interesting.

00:26:26 SPEAKER_009: Sorry, go ahead.

00:26:27 SPEAKER_009: Well, for me, it was from his breasts.

00:26:30 SPEAKER_009: Okay.

00:26:31 SPEAKER_001: So he was, you know, both male and female at that point.

00:26:35 SPEAKER_001: Gotcha.

00:26:36 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it was.

00:26:37 SPEAKER_001: I think it was trying to balance, right?

00:26:42 SPEAKER_001: You know, in that dream.

00:26:44 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:26:46 SPEAKER_001: Uh.

00:26:49 SPEAKER_001: Bill, I don't understand what you were saying there, but okay.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_001: Within the passage, spiritual framework, nourishment from the Creator continues throughout existence.

00:26:59 SPEAKER_001: Oh, and the what do you call it?

00:27:01 SPEAKER_001: The bread was like a flatbread that was like, what do you call it?

00:27:06 SPEAKER_001: Vacuum-sealed.

00:27:07 SPEAKER_001: He explained it because he didn't want me to have an excuse not to have it or something like that.

00:27:16 SPEAKER_001: Anyhow, because I wasn't comfortable because I was a vegan at the time or something.

00:27:20 SPEAKER_001: How thoughtful.

00:27:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, and then I wouldn't drink alcohol.

00:27:25 SPEAKER_001: Caters to all your distortions.

00:27:29 SPEAKER_003: Exactly, exactly.

00:27:31 SPEAKER_003: See now, that's probably why you know you didn't take it from the wound at the side because everybody knows that Jesus' blood is wine, right?

00:27:38 SPEAKER_003: So, you know, right?

00:27:40 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:42 SPEAKER_001: I wasn't comfortable with the whole eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood analogy, and so I guess, yeah, my communion with Jesus manifested differently, right?

00:27:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, differently, differently.

00:28:01 SPEAKER_001: I'm not saying that you always maybe...

00:28:01 SPEAKER_001: Not saying that he always may be like less weird, but fair enough.

00:28:07 SPEAKER_003: I really liked we read in one of the passages the other day about how Rah said about the communion converts it into spiritual food and you know spiritual sustenance.

00:28:20 SPEAKER_003: I really, you know, that's really stuck with me.

00:28:23 SPEAKER_003: You know, yeah.

00:28:26 SPEAKER_003: So I want to turn all my food into communion food.

00:28:30 SPEAKER_003: You know, just want to eat those little crackers.

00:28:34 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:28:34 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

00:28:36 SPEAKER_001: No, because I've been going to different churches.

00:28:39 SPEAKER_001: I've been getting to have communion a lot, which is kind of nice.

00:28:45 SPEAKER_001: Because at the Mennonites, we're never allowed to have communion, so it's nice.

00:28:51 SPEAKER_001: These other churches, they just don't care.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_001: They just let you have it.

00:28:56 SPEAKER_001: Where are you allowing yourself to be supported as generously as you support others?

00:29:02 SPEAKER_001: That's good.

00:29:03 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's good to remember that we have to be kind to ourselves and allow goodness to flow in our lives.

00:29:10 SPEAKER_001: You know, not just be constantly self-sacrificing to others, because it can be easy to get lost in that.

00:29:22 SPEAKER_003: Pathological giving, you know, yes, is another reason why it's important that you love yourself as well.

00:29:28 SPEAKER_003: You know, because if you don't, then pathological giving is a very easy trap to fall into.

00:29:34 SPEAKER_003: I know, I've done it lots.

00:29:36 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

00:29:40 SPEAKER_001: And okay, so allow relationships to grow beyond fixed role.

00:29:44 SPEAKER_001: There is an infinite array of roles in manifestation of the One Creator.

00:29:47 SPEAKER_001: You may freely relate to Intelligent Infinity as your heart dictates.

00:29:54 SPEAKER_003: I really, I really like that bit as well because I mean, really that kind of completely levels the playing field, doesn't it?

00:29:59 SPEAKER_003: Really, doesn't matter what God you pray to; it is just another separate manifestation of the Creator.

00:30:07 SPEAKER_003: And you know, your version of God will be different from the guy next to you's version of God, but they're both still Creator, right?

00:30:15 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:30:18 SPEAKER_001: Because, well, the infinite Creator is within all that there is, because the infinite Creator is all that there is.

00:30:28 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:30:35 SPEAKER_001: To suggest otherwise is dualism.

00:30:38 SPEAKER_001: Oh.

00:30:38 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:30:41 SPEAKER_001: We still have three people: Bill, Ed, Ashley.

00:30:45 SPEAKER_001: Okay, four people.

00:30:46 SPEAKER_001: Okay, good.

00:30:47 SPEAKER_001: Okay, Hatonn.

00:30:48 SPEAKER_001: Oh, is there a question?

00:30:50 SPEAKER_001: Okay, question.

00:30:51 SPEAKER_001: Hi, Hatonn.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_001: The answer that Laitos just gave to Fred made me wonder about the term heaven and heavenly,

00:30:59 SPEAKER_001: and I wonder whether this is referring to the fourth density positive experience or if it's referring to the time-space experience that we experience after we die of this physical reality.

00:31:11 SPEAKER_001: Who wants to read?

00:31:14 SPEAKER_001: I'll read it.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_001: But did you want to, Bill?

00:31:20 SPEAKER_001: Sure.

00:31:21 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:31:21 SPEAKER_001: If you don't mind.

00:31:23 SPEAKER_001: No, I don't.

00:31:24 SPEAKER_001: Okay, this was a good question.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_008: We are those of Atan, and we thank you for this interesting and deeply relevant query.

00:31:33 SPEAKER_008: Heaven is a place; it is not what humans have portrayed it as.

00:31:38 SPEAKER_008: As a concept, you have collectively come close, but each of your religious institutions has slightly distorted views based on the racial mind biases of the population.

00:31:49 SPEAKER_008: Biases of the populace.

00:31:51 SPEAKER_008: The idea of heaven could be perceived many ways.

00:31:55 SPEAKER_008: The interplanes have far higher vibrational realms than Earth currently experiences.

00:32:02 SPEAKER_008: These places, where the planetary mind and the group mind of humanity are fed the intuition of all that is good, these planes are populated by the angelic and what you would call heavenly hosts.

00:32:16 SPEAKER_008: There are also numerous thought-form heavens, which humans have collectively sculpted.

00:32:23 SPEAKER_008: The other believes all of these different vibrations share one common thread, and that is that this is always a higher vibrational state for the human.

00:32:35 SPEAKER_008: This could relate to reconnecting with time-space, as you described, in the blissful, rich environment of the higher densities.

00:32:44 SPEAKER_008: This could also be seen as describing the inner planes at their highest vibrational levels, and astral and causal planes of thought forms.

00:32:56 SPEAKER_008: Each one of these has its heavenly attributes.

00:33:00 SPEAKER_008: From our perspective, heaven is unity, and each of the vibrational steps you have collectively given this name to heaven are just steps back towards that oneness.

00:33:14 SPEAKER_008: I hope this has given some relative understanding.

00:33:18 SPEAKER_008: This is a complex subject.

00:33:24 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, that was.

00:33:25 SPEAKER_008: You know what?

00:33:26 SPEAKER_008: The sentence in the first paragraph: "These places where the planetary mind and group mind of humanity are fed, the intuition of all that is good."

00:33:38 SPEAKER_008: So, does that mean our intuition?

00:33:42 SPEAKER_008: You know, like we, you know, the intuition we each have is being said from that place.

00:33:51 SPEAKER_008: I would imagine so.

00:33:54 SPEAKER_008: Ed and Ashley, you guys.

00:33:56 SPEAKER_003: Oh, Ed was channeling.

00:33:57 SPEAKER_003: Go ahead.

00:33:59 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:33:59 SPEAKER_003: So, like, I don't know.

00:34:01 SPEAKER_003: From what I kind of got from it, it's like what Rass is about.

00:34:05 SPEAKER_003: How like, you know, you've got the tree of mind kind of thing.

00:34:12 SPEAKER_003: You know, and that along that chain, you know, like I suppose the things that inhabit the stages up, I suppose, or I don't know, like that's what it seems like.

00:34:30 SPEAKER_003: It seems like the way that intuition and those thoughts kind of come up the tree of mind is guided by entities, by you know.

00:34:46 SPEAKER_003: I see what you mean.

00:34:53 SPEAKER_004: It's like our intuition is a faculty of the spiritual nature, so it makes sense that it would have its source from higher density planes.

00:35:05 SPEAKER_004: Because when we're talking about heaven, we're not necessarily talking about everything made of clouds and pearly white gates; we're talking about like an energetic state.

00:35:16 SPEAKER_004: We're talking about layers of heavenly vibrations,

00:35:23 SPEAKER_004: and so perhaps there's a part of our intuition I'm sure there's a part of our intuition that is rooted in that and never leaves that because that is how we get the higher information that

00:35:35 SPEAKER_004: goes beyond the illusion.

00:35:37 SPEAKER_004: We would have to get it from a higher place.

00:35:40 SPEAKER_004: Intuition would have to function and be fed from a higher place in order to be able to override the illusion and inform the intellect about things it can't normally perceive.

00:35:53 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, the other thing, the other thing this just made me think of, like, not related to the actual channeling experience, but like, you know, have you guys read OASB or whatever?

00:36:06 SPEAKER_003: No. You read it, okay?

00:36:08 SPEAKER_003: There's a bit in that where they talk about how the angels' job is to kind of whisper in humans' ears and kind of give them the right information so they can progress.

00:36:28 SPEAKER_003: And I suppose it's kind of the same idea that like, you know, if God wanted humans to go a specific way, to be shepherded in a specific way, then, you know,

00:36:41 SPEAKER_003: the angels would be the ones that would inform us via that subconscious route, I suppose.

00:36:48 SPEAKER_003: You know, so yeah, I don't know.

00:36:50 SPEAKER_003: That, like I said, it's.

00:36:52 SPEAKER_003: I feel actually kind of stuck here because I don't even remember saying it.

00:37:01 SPEAKER_003: I don't really have much context.

00:37:03 SPEAKER_003: Like I remember more about what was happening during Ashley's question.

00:37:08 SPEAKER_003: I do from this one.

00:37:10 SPEAKER_003: I don't even remember saying it really.

00:37:12 SPEAKER_003: Sorry, I don't know.

00:37:17 SPEAKER_003: Like, all I can do is give my impressions of it.

00:37:19 SPEAKER_003: What do you guys think?

00:37:22 SPEAKER_008: Well, we use resonance and intuition and discernment and you know like a lot of people kind of use it rather.

00:37:31 SPEAKER_008: People kind of using rather loose terms, you know.

00:37:35 SPEAKER_008: But there seems to be more to it than that, and the interplane guidance giving and you know adding to our, you know, or influencing our intuition and discernment.

00:37:52 SPEAKER_008: And I would say it wouldn't be against our free will because I'm sure that we probably would have made some agreements with whatever that kind of information network is to hey you know throw me

00:38:09 SPEAKER_008: a bone now and then down here when I'm down here so I can you know kind of stay on course.

00:38:16 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and you know I feel that like you know your higher self, all of these kind of further you go up the ladder, I'm assuming the more interactive things or interlinked things get, you know.

00:38:30 SPEAKER_003: Um, yeah, I don't know.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_003: This is kind of.

00:38:33 SPEAKER_003: I think.

00:38:35 SPEAKER_008: Well, it just struck me because you know I really believe in my intuition, and I just always kind of wondered, you know, does it come from me or you know what's going on?

00:38:48 SPEAKER_003: But this clarifies that.

00:38:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I always think of it as kind of like your intuition is like you communicating with your subconscious, right?

00:38:57 SPEAKER_003: You know like conscious, right?

00:38:57 SPEAKER_003: You know, like the subconscious mind is there and it knows everything.

00:39:03 SPEAKER_003: It's like connected to stuff, but then the intuition is like how it feeds you the information.

00:39:10 SPEAKER_003: You know, so I'm assuming that it would be fed by the angelic entities or whatever else, like yeah mentioned, yeah, something a little outside of us, yeah, you know, or we're getting a little help.

00:39:28 SPEAKER_003: Exactly, that's it.

00:39:29 SPEAKER_003: There are these teams working in the background that are giving us what we need.

00:39:34 SPEAKER_003: I suppose.

00:39:35 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, the spirit guides.

00:39:38 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, that's what I'd say.

00:39:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

00:39:42 SPEAKER_001: Each of us has like a team, you know, spirit guides.

00:39:45 SPEAKER_001: But a lot of people choose not to, you know, listen to them.

00:39:52 SPEAKER_001: Then they just, but they're still there.

00:39:55 SPEAKER_001: Where or people just think they're like crazy or something if they're listening to them, you know.

00:40:01 SPEAKER_001: Either that, or you just think you've had a really good idea.

00:40:04 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, you don't realize that where that idea came from.

00:40:08 SPEAKER_003: One of the things that the beings of the earthly planes said was that you know we don't know like our thoughts are things, right?

00:40:17 SPEAKER_003: They're not set.

00:40:19 SPEAKER_003: They're not made by us, really.

00:40:21 SPEAKER_003: It's more like we interact with them.

00:40:23 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:40:23 SPEAKER_003: Interact with them.

00:40:24 SPEAKER_003: Yes, you know.

00:40:24 SPEAKER_003: So sometimes you don't know whether your thoughts are yours.

00:40:30 SPEAKER_001: Yes, they're often part of the shared subconscious milieu.

00:40:34 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

00:40:35 SPEAKER_003: So then, then you know, by that process of kind of discerning what thoughts are yours and what aren't, you know, you can kind of see that.

00:40:46 SPEAKER_003: You know, I've noticed it a few times since I've been looking for it.

00:40:50 SPEAKER_003: You know, and I suppose that it must work the same way, you know.

00:40:53 SPEAKER_003: That those things that are being fed in, that you know, we're interacting with, they've got to come from somewhere, right?

00:41:00 SPEAKER_003: These thought forms or whatever else.

00:41:03 SPEAKER_003: So, yeah, that's just my, yeah, no, totally, yeah, and that's why I think the Confederation says that you know you don't have to say or do anything.

00:41:19 SPEAKER_001: It's the processing catalyst that's most important because once you've processed that thought in your mind, then it heals it for the entire shared memory complex.

00:41:35 SPEAKER_003: If you know what I mean.

00:41:36 SPEAKER_003: Totally, you know, like our individualization makes us think like, oh, it's my intuition, it's my discernment, but really, you know, there's only one mind.

00:41:47 SPEAKER_003: You know, we've all got that little bit of it.

00:41:49 SPEAKER_003: And intuition is just us picking up that bit more information, and discernment is just you know us knowing that it's right or whatever because of the fact that you know it's information from somewhere else.

00:42:05 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and if I remember correctly, the whole idea I had this idea actually came from Protestantism, and that's when people started writing that I had this idea.

00:42:21 SPEAKER_001: Before then, people would say, "Like, I saw like this.

00:42:26 SPEAKER_001: This idea came to me."

00:42:28 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, like that's that's the like you know that could go back all the way back to ancient Greece and that like you had the muses, right?

00:42:36 SPEAKER_003: And you know they said that anyone, any artist or any mathematician or whatever, they wouldn't create the thing themselves.

00:42:43 SPEAKER_003: They'd essentially become a channel for that muse and that muse would come down once again, whisper in the ear, yeah,

00:42:50 SPEAKER_003: and then give them divine knowledge that they would put onto that piece of art or, you know, play or whatever.

00:42:57 SPEAKER_003: So you know so so the word genius, in fact, the word genius was actually the name of one of the muses.

00:43:06 SPEAKER_003: So it used to be that people would say, "Oh, he's been touched by genius," right?

00:43:12 SPEAKER_003: Yes, yes, rather than saying he is a genius, because a genius wouldn't be a person; it would be somebody who channels the muse, genius, who is the one that does math and science and stuff.

00:43:25 SPEAKER_003: Exactly, exactly.

00:43:29 SPEAKER_008: And it would make sense that the Protestant age would correlate right with the scientific age.

00:43:37 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, I guess it was the yeah, it was the Renaissance and all that was happening at the same time, and the printing press.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_008: And then at the same time in the printing press, right, bloody Masons.

00:43:47 SPEAKER_001: Well, I don't want to give too many people credit.

00:43:52 SPEAKER_001: It's all the infinite creator.

00:43:53 SPEAKER_001: Obviously, I'm dancing itself.

00:43:55 SPEAKER_001: They're great people.

00:43:56 SPEAKER_001: I'm in good.

00:43:58 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:43:58 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:43:59 SPEAKER_001: Well, let's see this GPT analysis.

00:44:02 SPEAKER_001: Look for the common ground.

00:44:04 SPEAKER_001: All of these different variations share one common thread.

00:44:10 SPEAKER_001: Different expressions, descriptions can express a shared longing for peace, love, and belonging.

00:44:15 SPEAKER_001: Seek that shared meaning when discussing beliefs.

00:44:18 SPEAKER_001: Hold your understanding openly.

00:44:20 SPEAKER_001: This is a complex subject.

00:44:22 SPEAKER_001: Allow room for mystery.

00:44:24 SPEAKER_001: Another person's perspective may reveal something your own experience has yet to teach you.

00:44:28 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, this is so true.

00:44:30 SPEAKER_001: So much of the time, and like it's fundamental of why I always remind myself that everyone is the divine.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_001: And you know, when someone is speaking to me, the divine is speaking to me.

00:44:41 SPEAKER_001: You know, their perspective is valid, and what they're saying doesn't mean they're always a hundred percent correct.

00:44:50 SPEAKER_001: Just like you know, I am not.

00:44:52 SPEAKER_001: You know, everyone has their own distortions, and so it's good to hear from their own perspectives.

00:44:59 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and their own perspectives, and so it's good to.

00:45:02 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it might not be a distortion as much as a perspective.

00:45:05 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's good to hear from a variety of sources in order to get the most complete image or perspective, give shared visions practical expression.

00:45:16 SPEAKER_001: Humans have collectively sculpted via their beliefs.

00:45:21 SPEAKER_001: Our shared expectations influence how we treat each other.

00:45:25 SPEAKER_001: A vision of a loving community takes shape through everyday acts of care.

00:45:30 SPEAKER_001: Practice unity now.

00:45:31 SPEAKER_001: From our perspective, heaven is unity.

00:45:35 SPEAKER_001: Bring that principle into daily life through listening, forgiveness, and cooperation, while respecting each person's freedom.

00:45:43 SPEAKER_001: Value each step.

00:45:44 SPEAKER_001: Step back toward that oneness.

00:45:47 SPEAKER_001: A repaired misunderstanding, a kind response, or a shared meal can move us towards greater connection.

00:45:57 SPEAKER_014: Like there's kind of other bits like in there that just kind of occurred to me.

00:46:02 SPEAKER_003: Like the whole idea that you know as humans we think of heaven as this one thing, but really it's like loads of different things.

00:46:12 SPEAKER_003: Like it's an interdimensional structure.

00:46:16 SPEAKER_003: Do I mean across all of it that just kind of sums up the highest vibrational bit?

00:46:23 SPEAKER_003: You know, like all the all the all of the good, all of the positive polarized stuff gathering together is heaven.

00:46:33 SPEAKER_003: And however humans have perceived it, and however we've seen it or viewed it or whatever way we've looked at to find it, is always been that oneness bit, that unity that everything comes together,

00:46:51 SPEAKER_003: you know, the positive end of the spectrum, you know.

00:46:57 SPEAKER_003: Exactly.

00:46:58 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and that's exactly what we're hearing from this GPT.

00:47:03 SPEAKER_003: It says heaven is unity.

00:47:05 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's Haton's central answer, and steps towards back to oneness.

00:47:11 SPEAKER_001: Yep.

00:47:13 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:47:14 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I guess we have time at least for one more.

00:47:17 SPEAKER_001: Where?

00:47:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:47:23 SPEAKER_001: Questioner D. Hey Haton, thank you for coming out tonight.

00:47:27 SPEAKER_001: I don't have any questions that I can think of, other than my upcoming trip.

00:47:31 SPEAKER_001: I will be flying to Utah to visit Skinwalker Ranch.

00:47:36 SPEAKER_001: I was just curious if, or hoping, if you had any thoughts about that trip itself, or perhaps ways that I can leave behind a gift that may be helpful for that area.

00:47:49 SPEAKER_001: So I'm just curious about your thoughts on that.

00:47:52 SPEAKER_001: It would be cool to maybe see synchronicities based on what you say here tonight, for us to look out for, and for any kind of thoughts on that, otherwise,

00:48:01 SPEAKER_001: that's my weird question for you tonight.

00:48:02 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

00:48:04 SPEAKER_008: We are those of Atan, and we thank you for this open-ended question.

00:48:08 SPEAKER_008: We are hesitant to deliver any information that could be perceived as prophecy, possibility, probability matrices may alter.

00:48:18 SPEAKER_008: So we would say to make sure your perceptions are open to the energies you will encounter.

00:48:24 SPEAKER_008: There will be opportunities for you to interact or have relation to what are powerfully catalytic energetic frameworks.

00:48:33 SPEAKER_008: Interesting.

00:48:34 SPEAKER_008: By taking the time to relax the senses and feel out these energies, a lot can be learned while on your trip.

00:48:43 SPEAKER_008: We would say when it comes to the gifting, perhaps charging a crystal or some other object with intention, so that you can energetically be of service to that nexus of energies.

00:48:55 SPEAKER_008: As we said, we apologize for the lack of prophecies, but we hope this has given you some useful information regarding your trip.

00:49:05 SPEAKER_008: So they don't want to give up information about Skinwalker Ranch.

00:49:08 SPEAKER_008: Interesting, but they're definitely saying stuff is going on there.

00:49:13 SPEAKER_001: There will be opportunities for you to interact or have relation to what are powerfully catalytic energetic frameworks.

00:49:21 SPEAKER_001: Yes, you're right.

00:49:22 SPEAKER_001: They are saying something is up there.

00:49:24 SPEAKER_001: By taking some time to relax the senses and feel out those energies, a lot can be learned while on your trip.

00:49:31 SPEAKER_001: That so, so they are giving good tips here.

00:49:36 SPEAKER_003: Well, to me, they're just saying something's definitely going on there.

00:49:38 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:39 SPEAKER_003: The framework thing as well.

00:49:42 SPEAKER_003: Like, are they suggesting that it's like, yeah, that the things are built there.

00:49:48 SPEAKER_003: Like, you know, I mean, like, I don't really know much about Skinwalker Ranch, to be fair.

00:49:51 SPEAKER_003: Like, I don't really.

00:49:53 SPEAKER_003: So yeah, all of this is a bit kind of I don't know.

00:49:58 SPEAKER_003: There's a bunch of weird radio signals there, if I remember correctly.

00:50:02 SPEAKER_015: A lot more than that going on, but you want to do the next question?

00:50:07 SPEAKER_015: Sure.

00:50:08 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, thank you so much.

00:50:10 SPEAKER_001: Understanding breaking down.

00:50:12 SPEAKER_001: That's all I have for you, Questioner F. I have a strange query.

00:50:18 SPEAKER_001: Since we are talking about angels and heaven and heavenly realms, I would like some clarity, and this might just be a definition variance, as was discussed earlier with Laitos.

00:50:29 SPEAKER_001: But in the Bible, we are told that King Solomon was a very godly king and wise.

00:50:35 SPEAKER_001: It also said that King Solomon, through various forms of magic, acquired the ear and attention and usefulness of seventy-two demons.

00:50:45 SPEAKER_001: Some scholars claim they weren't demons; they were actually angels.

00:50:48 SPEAKER_001: Could you clarify the difference between demons and angels in a way that we would understand and maybe relate to the story of the Bible about King Solomon?

00:50:57 SPEAKER_008: We are those of Haton, and we will attempt to bring light to this intriguing story.

00:51:03 SPEAKER_008: The story you describe of King Solomon also includes his most relevant work, which is recording the host of angels.

00:51:11 SPEAKER_008: This information and how to summon and communicate with these entities was given so he had knowledge that could be used in best service of humanity.

00:51:22 SPEAKER_008: The knowledge extended further than just the angels, and he was also shown how to summon and control, if that word can be seen to apply here,

00:51:32 SPEAKER_008: the energetic counterparts of the negative polarity that act as balance in the same inner realm planes that the angels inhabit at the high vibrational positions.

00:51:46 SPEAKER_008: What you would describe as demons or devils would inhabit the lowest areas.

00:51:52 SPEAKER_008: These beings all have very tragic and self-service polarized stories that led them to occupying these positions,

00:52:01 SPEAKER_008: and the way they have manifested previously to humanity has given the thought form structure that was passed on in Solomon's traditions.

00:52:12 SPEAKER_008: Each one soaking up like a sponge specific vibrational resonance of specific human behaviour or negative thoughts and feelings.

00:52:21 SPEAKER_008: Therefore, these beings act to reabsorb the negativity.

00:52:26 SPEAKER_008: That you could describe it as ingesting or eating the negative energies of humanity.

00:52:33 SPEAKER_008: It is their own act of service, and we would highly express that connecting or utilising connections with those beings could be disastrously negative, negatively polarizing.

00:52:43 SPEAKER_008: Negatively polarizing, so we would ask seekers to avoid these kinds of lower energy invocations.

00:52:52 SPEAKER_008: We hope this has given you some depth of clarity.

00:52:58 SPEAKER_001: Yes, that makes good sense.

00:53:00 SPEAKER_001: Would you be able to give a little more detail on the reasons and outcomes?

00:53:05 SPEAKER_001: Maybe of Solomon needing to use a more balanced positive and negative together.

00:53:09 SPEAKER_001: I would use the word force to project his will upon his reign here on Earth.

00:53:14 SPEAKER_008: We are those of Baton.

00:53:16 SPEAKER_008: We hope we can answer your question.

00:53:18 SPEAKER_008: The understanding and knowledge that Solomon was given was given fully in a balanced fashion, so that he would have wisdom.

00:53:28 SPEAKER_008: Wisdom requires knowing both sides of the coin and choosing the right side.

00:53:34 SPEAKER_008: The information was given so that free will was maintained.

00:53:38 SPEAKER_008: We hope that this gives a small spark of understanding.

00:53:45 SPEAKER_008: That makes perfect sense.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_008: Thank you very much, Hatona.

00:53:49 SPEAKER_008: Okay.

00:53:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so I guess we can do a little analysis here.

00:53:58 SPEAKER_001: Do you guys have any thoughts on this?

00:54:00 SPEAKER_001: I mean, I guess the basic answer is that angels and demons are from the inner planes, and angels occupy higher vibrational levels; demons lower, and don't mess with the lower, otherwise you'll be negative polarized.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_008: And Solomon was seeking wisdom, so he had to.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_008: So, in seeking wisdom, you have to know both sides.

00:54:30 SPEAKER_008: That's why many people fail because they don't delve into the negative, into the service of the south side, you can say.

00:54:43 SPEAKER_008: Yes, yes, that makes sense.

00:54:45 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, I think it also kind of comes down to like he was given all this power.

00:54:49 SPEAKER_008: Let's see how he's going to use it.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_008: You know what I mean?

00:54:53 SPEAKER_008: Well, well, was he given it or did he request it and then?

00:54:58 SPEAKER_003: Well, isn't the story something along the lines of God rewarded him with it?

00:55:06 SPEAKER_001: Well, his mother wanted it for him.

00:55:09 SPEAKER_001: Okay, okay.

00:55:11 SPEAKER_001: You know, like it doesn't say it in the Bible, but personally, I think that Bathsheba was an ambitious woman.

00:55:21 SPEAKER_001: You know that she organised the events that happened.

00:55:26 SPEAKER_008: Oh, that was the one.

00:55:28 SPEAKER_008: She was the one lady that David killed her husband in battle, or something.

00:55:34 SPEAKER_008: Yes, exactly, exactly.

00:55:37 SPEAKER_001: But yeah, the prophet Nathan says that she was an innocent lamb.

00:55:42 SPEAKER_001: But I don't know.

00:55:44 SPEAKER_001: I have my suspicions that maybe she wasn't completely innocent in all this.

00:55:50 SPEAKER_001: And her son ended up being on the throne, and all of David's other children ended up dying in mysterious circumstances.

00:55:59 SPEAKER_001: You know, there's some suspects up over there.

00:56:03 SPEAKER_001: We're starting to get Romans.

00:56:04 SPEAKER_001: stuff going on there.

00:56:05 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that it's more like Game of Thrones stuff over there.

00:56:09 SPEAKER_001: It's just like, but claiming that, oh yeah, she's innocent.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_001: I thought it was interesting to reflect on.

00:56:20 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

00:56:22 SPEAKER_017: It hurt to hear that those beings at the lower vibrational point have taken on the service of absorbing the negativity from humanity, and thereby cementing their position in those roles even more.

00:56:45 SPEAKER_004: And that's what it sounded like to me.

00:56:49 SPEAKER_004: And that's just like wow, that level of service and that level of yeah, I don't know.

00:56:58 SPEAKER_004: That really.

00:56:59 SPEAKER_001: So, I just well, perhaps can bring a little bit of clarity there,

00:57:04 SPEAKER_001: because I was reading Dolores Cannon and she has her own In Between Lives books and she talks directly about the lower astral realms,

00:57:13 SPEAKER_001: and it's basically filled with I guess what they're referring to here as demons, but basically people who are obsessed with you know say if they were addicted to drugs in their life,

00:57:27 SPEAKER_001: then they continue to be addicted to drugs while they're dead, and but they can't get a hit themselves, so they follow around people, and then try to entice them to do drugs.

00:57:40 SPEAKER_001: Um, and same thing if they were you know like serial rapists or serial killers, and things like that.

00:57:47 SPEAKER_001: And so because they're they're they're still learning that catalyst, and so they want more and more of it, especially when they're disincarnate, they're trying to get as much of it as they can.

00:57:58 SPEAKER_001: Because it like feels some kind of need for them.

00:58:02 SPEAKER_001: Isn't that what the Buddhist call hungry ghosts?

00:58:06 SPEAKER_001: They're kind of like hungry ghosts, exactly, exactly.

00:58:09 SPEAKER_001: So are they never satiated because they're service to self?

00:58:14 SPEAKER_008: So are they waiting to incarnate again so they can, you know, even what's that called to to even make it more that they polarize negatively?

00:58:26 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:58:27 SPEAKER_001: Submit their polarization.

00:58:29 SPEAKER_001: Yes, exactly, exactly.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_001: So it's just that you know, for a while they're disincarnate and they're not able to do that.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_004: I think that that's not just humans.

00:58:43 SPEAKER_004: I think that there's another kind of disincarnate entity that we would, in my experience, classify as demon.

00:58:50 SPEAKER_004: Um, well, yes, and then there's another kind.

00:58:53 SPEAKER_004: And there's another kind that is, there's levels to it.

00:58:58 SPEAKER_004: Wait, wait, would it would it be a thought form too?

00:59:02 SPEAKER_004: Thought forms also, like like angels, the word you know, demon or daimon, which you know basically means spirit.

00:59:15 SPEAKER_004: There's levels.

00:59:16 SPEAKER_004: There's the kind that we've all been talking about, and then there's so there's the humans that have gone astray.

00:59:22 SPEAKER_004: There's Stray.

00:59:23 SPEAKER_004: There's entities who were never human at all.

00:59:26 SPEAKER_004: Discarnates.

00:59:28 SPEAKER_004: Then there's thought forms that gain intelligence and choose that path.

00:59:33 SPEAKER_004: And then there's highly evolved entities who were once beings, maybe in other civilizations, and they went through the ranks and they choose to emanate darkness for power.

00:59:45 SPEAKER_004: Although they're also beings of light, just negative.

00:59:48 SPEAKER_004: But then there's another one that never.

00:59:51 SPEAKER_004: That never—it's kind of like a lower, lower astral entity that doesn't even really have full awareness.

00:59:58 SPEAKER_004: It just acts on impulse and has never had the chance to get love or light.

01:00:04 SPEAKER_004: Doesn't even know what it is.

01:00:05 SPEAKER_004: And those, like when they see love and light, they almost always dissipate after having this really big release of emotion because it's like finally,

01:00:20 SPEAKER_004: but they didn't even know what they needed because no one ever told them about it.

01:00:25 SPEAKER_004: No one ever gave them the chance to even have that love and light.

01:00:29 SPEAKER_004: So, yeah, I call those the Uga Bugas.

01:00:32 SPEAKER_009: But, wow, yeah, I think those those may be more neutral.

01:00:39 SPEAKER_003: So something I was gonna say was like in the channeling, it said about how they're like the energetic counterparts or something, you know.

01:00:48 SPEAKER_003: So like you know if.

01:00:50 SPEAKER_003: If demons are hungry ghosts, then that means that so are angels, right?

01:00:56 SPEAKER_003: They're they're like they're like saints or whatever that have that have gone the other way.

01:01:01 SPEAKER_003: Either that, or you've got entities that are kind of made of consciousness, I suppose, and that's why they kind of link up to specific things.

01:01:12 SPEAKER_003: Why they eat the the bad stuff?

01:01:14 SPEAKER_003: Because the same as the angels, you know, they are pursuing service to others.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_003: Exactly, like they're they're doing the same things.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_003: Like the angels give to us, and demons take from us.

01:01:26 SPEAKER_003: You know, it's it's the same thing, but inverse.

01:01:29 SPEAKER_003: You know, yes.

01:01:31 SPEAKER_001: It depends on what they're hungry for.

01:01:34 SPEAKER_001: Yes, exactly.

01:01:36 SPEAKER_001: Hungry to be of service.

01:01:38 SPEAKER_001: Hungry to be kind.

01:01:40 SPEAKER_001: You know.

01:01:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and loving different layer.

01:01:43 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

01:01:45 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

01:01:47 SPEAKER_001: Like, I know there was, you know, this story.

01:01:51 SPEAKER_001: Maybe even someone here shared a bit.

01:01:53 SPEAKER_001: It was like some lady, and then while she was getting raped, she saw herself leave her body, and there was a Buddhist monk that was like praying,

01:02:05 SPEAKER_001: and then he threw his robe over her body so she wouldn't have to see what was going on,

01:02:10 SPEAKER_001: and then she was just like sitting next to this Buddhist monk while he was like with his prayer be.

01:02:13 SPEAKER_001: He was like with his prayer beads, and then you know, and then after the event had occurred, she she could go back to her body kind of thing.

01:02:23 SPEAKER_001: So it was kind of like an angel, you know, and he was a human from you know presumably Tibet or something that continued to do service to others things while disincarnate.

01:02:39 SPEAKER_001: My, that makes sense, isn't it?

01:02:41 SPEAKER_001: Like a whole branch of Buddhism, isn't there?

01:02:45 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, isn't there a whole branch of Buddhism that's about kind of like staying here and helping everybody pass over?

01:02:50 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, Bodhisattvas, not not leaving, not going, yeah, moving on until you've actually helped.

01:02:56 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, that would make sense.

01:02:58 SPEAKER_003: You're probably one of those guys.

01:03:00 SPEAKER_001: Well, the Bodhisattvas they actually commit to reincarnating continuously.

01:03:09 SPEAKER_001: So, but this guy, he was disincarnate and doing this.

01:03:13 SPEAKER_001: So he may have been a slightly different branch, but he was still doing good work.

01:03:18 SPEAKER_001: Isn't Aaron who channeled with Q'uo?

01:03:21 SPEAKER_003: He said that he's one of those as well, right?

01:03:23 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, he actually gained ascension on the Theravada Buddhism path, and they don't have Bodhisattvas there.

01:03:32 SPEAKER_001: Um, in the Theravada Buddhism in like Thailand and stuff, but they do have you know mindfulness meditation and you know positive service to other stuff as well, like Muditā, vicarious joy, compassion for others,

01:03:52 SPEAKER_001: and things like that.

01:03:57 SPEAKER_008: Sending.

01:03:59 SPEAKER_008: I'm pretty naive about all that stuff, so I must have set myself up incarnatively to avoid a lot of that stuff.

01:04:10 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and that's shocking because you were in California.

01:04:14 SPEAKER_001: It's everywhere there, isn't it?

01:04:17 SPEAKER_001: So, so we'll have.

01:04:19 SPEAKER_001: I thought there was probably had it in you.

01:04:24 SPEAKER_001: Go ahead, Ashley.

01:04:27 SPEAKER_004: You probably, I feel like when that happens, that you had plenty of lifetimes involved with that, so you're done.

01:04:35 SPEAKER_004: You don't need to explore that, like when you...

01:04:40 SPEAKER_004: I feel like when something's just...

01:04:44 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, dude, it could be like you know pre-incarnate bias, you know, like yeah, yeah.

01:04:48 SPEAKER_003: Buddhism did some really brutal things when it spread across Asia, dude.

01:04:52 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, you could have just been one of its early victims.

01:04:55 SPEAKER_003: Who knows?

01:04:56 SPEAKER_001: Well, ah, well, that happened with me in Christianity.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_001: Um, I was definitely a victim of Christianity more than once.

01:05:06 SPEAKER_008: Maybe more than...

01:05:07 SPEAKER_008: I mean, not to say, not to say nothing bad happened.

01:05:10 SPEAKER_008: I mean, I was, I was freaking tortured, almost, you know.

01:05:14 SPEAKER_008: So I've had bad stuff, but like the demons just don't, you know.

01:05:20 SPEAKER_001: Well, so did you have a more Christian milieu when you were growing up?

01:05:25 SPEAKER_001: Oh yeah, I was...

01:05:26 SPEAKER_001: I was... yeah, I didn't date with it, the Mormon cult.

01:05:31 SPEAKER_001: Oh, you were in the Mormon stuff?

01:05:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:05:32 SPEAKER_001: See.

01:05:33 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:05:34 SPEAKER_001: So that could have been like more related to what you were part of, because I know lots of Christian people; they have no understanding of anything that's not Christian, and you know that's fine.

01:05:45 SPEAKER_001: Whereas, like in my past lives, I had a very rough relationship with Christianity.

01:05:50 SPEAKER_001: Like this is the first incarnation where I've like accepted it, and that was only you know like a few years ago, like 2018.

01:06:01 SPEAKER_001: Um.

01:06:03 SPEAKER_001: And so, yeah.

01:06:09 SPEAKER_001: So in this incarnation, I wasn't... it wasn't forced on me.

01:06:13 SPEAKER_001: I was aware of it, but I was also exposed to Buddhism like at a very early age, in like grade three.

01:06:20 SPEAKER_008: I mean, I'm kind of like comparing myself to Ashley in a way because she knows a lot about that stuff,

01:06:27 SPEAKER_008: and I wonder how she kind of... you know... got that kind of put in her face or whatever.

01:06:34 SPEAKER_008: You know, and like growing up, what?

01:06:39 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, like knowing about all that dark side stuff.

01:06:46 SPEAKER_008: Like you know about, like yeah, like you were just describing.

01:06:50 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, I didn't ask.

01:06:54 SPEAKER_008: I didn't ask.

01:06:55 SPEAKER_008: It was just like this: what you're gonna get, and yeah, yeah, you're gonna... you're gonna grow or die.

01:07:07 SPEAKER_001: All right, cool.

01:07:09 SPEAKER_001: Oh, I think Josh joined us briefly.

01:07:12 SPEAKER_001: Watch your banana.

01:07:13 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, well, he... he... he joined on the live stream.

01:07:19 SPEAKER_001: He was watching them.

01:07:22 SPEAKER_001: Here we go.

01:07:23 SPEAKER_001: All right, but anyways, it's past nine o'clock.

01:07:25 SPEAKER_001: Any final remarks before we close?

01:07:30 SPEAKER_001: No, good job, Ashley.

01:07:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you guys are doing a great job.

01:07:35 SPEAKER_001: Thanks for keeping the Confederation contact going.

01:07:39 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, excellent job.

01:07:41 SPEAKER_001: I'm just...

01:07:42 SPEAKER_001: I'm just amazed at how little I actually understand the answers.

01:07:49 SPEAKER_001: You know, that's one of the reasons I like channeling information is because it's so clear.

01:07:55 SPEAKER_001: Because it's so clearly couldn't be made by regular humans.

01:08:00 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that and like you know me, I'd have like that and like and it... it... like the way I talk is not like that.

01:08:09 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:08:11 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:08:12 SPEAKER_001: So continue aligning our thoughts, feelings, words, and actions to be of greatest service for all creation.

01:08:19 SPEAKER_001: I mean, yeah, that too.

01:08:21 SPEAKER_001: Why not?

01:08:22 SPEAKER_001: And.

01:08:25 SPEAKER_001: As we found you, we leave you in the infinite love, an infinite light of the infinite Creator, all around you and within you, my friends.

01:08:32 SPEAKER_001: Go forth, ever rejoicing in the infinite power, an infinite peace.

01:08:36 SPEAKER_001: Adonai, pasu barados.

01:08:40 SPEAKER_001: Adonai, thank you, Angelosim.

01:08:43 SPEAKER_001: Love you all.