Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — July 18, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: In the love and light of the One Infinite Creator, I am Andres Zorgen.

00:00:03 speaker_unknown: Joined here today with Ed, Fred, and Mercedes, and we will be reading the May Seventeen, Twenty Twenty Six session.

00:00:10 speaker_unknown: Kuo on anger, infinite body, and the Creator's endless discovery.

00:00:16 SPEAKER_001: All right, Kuo, help us better understand anger.

00:00:20 SPEAKER_001: There seems to be a disproportionate amount of anger in the world.

00:00:24 SPEAKER_001: We are taught to accept and learn to love anger, like all emotions, distilling its purity.

00:00:30 SPEAKER_001: Going a step further, how can we integrate this energy?

00:00:34 SPEAKER_001: Can we transmute it?

00:00:35 SPEAKER_001: What is anger's rightful place in the human experience?

00:00:40 SPEAKER_001: I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of your query, my sister.

00:00:44 SPEAKER_001: You have chosen a question which is rampant upon the planet at this time.

00:00:47 SPEAKER_002: The catalyst of anger, of seeming separation with one's self, with one's neighbor, with one's family, with another country, with anything that you may have anger for, or for anyone. or anyone could have anger for.

00:01:01 SPEAKER_002: This anger is a powerful source of energy.

00:01:13 SPEAKER_002: It is what the creation has not been created of, but which has been a part of the creation of the one infinite Creator since time began.

00:01:24 SPEAKER_002: For it is so easy to get angry at anyone or anything.

00:01:36 SPEAKER_002: The power of anger can be used by the spiritual seeker of truth to feel that anger for the self, to feel its power, to bask in its power,

00:01:49 SPEAKER_002: to then see that there is a way in which anger can become a power.

00:01:58 SPEAKER_002: In which anger can become a part of oneself, so that you can work with it as a catalyst.

00:02:08 SPEAKER_002: As catalyst, you can see what everyone is angry at, whether it is your own being, another being, another country, or so forth,

00:02:19 SPEAKER_002: and then see that that this anger helps the creator to know itself in one way.

00:02:29 SPEAKER_002: But you can balance this anger with your love that flows through you from the creator.

00:02:41 SPEAKER_002: You can open your heart to the love of the creator and let it flow into that anger and dissolve that anger,

00:03:02 SPEAKER_001: so that it is no more at this time.

00:03:09 SPEAKER_001: and realizes his anger may come back, but now you know how to deal with it, to accept it, to feel it,

00:03:27 SPEAKER_001: to make it become part of you, and then to blend it with the love of the Creator.

00:03:43 SPEAKER_001: This is the path that each of you will take at one time or another, for anger is a part of the third density illusion that each of you lives beyond the veil of forgetting.

00:04:06 SPEAKER_001: The veil of forgetting hides that there is no need for anger, but the anger that you feel is one way that you can move forward in your on your spiritual journey.

00:04:27 SPEAKER_003: A reunion. with the one infinite Creator, by feeling the love for all around you that you that you before felt anger for.

00:04:43 SPEAKER_003: This love is far more powerful than any anger that has ever been felt throughout the one infinite universe.

00:04:55 SPEAKER_003: So use it as a catalyst.

00:05:01 SPEAKER_003: So use it as catalyst and then set it aside.

00:05:12 SPEAKER_003: At this time, we will transfer this contract to the one known as Austin.

00:05:19 SPEAKER_003: We are Q'uo.

00:05:21 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:05:22 SPEAKER_003: Thank you, Mercedes.

00:05:27 SPEAKER_003: And so I guess. what do you guys think of that?

00:05:31 SPEAKER_003: That was that was awesome.

00:05:37 SPEAKER_003: I like that a lot.

00:05:39 SPEAKER_003: The bold red Mercedes.

00:05:40 SPEAKER_003: That was lovely.

00:05:41 SPEAKER_003: Okay, cool.

00:05:44 SPEAKER_003: And yeah, I know.

00:05:55 SPEAKER_003: Earlier today, my son had said that he was angry, and so I had him sit down with me to do some meditation, and then I just.

00:06:16 SPEAKER_003: And then I told him, you know, you just observe that anger, and as you're feeling it, you don't have to do anything about it.

00:06:27 SPEAKER_003: Just just breathe as you do it.

00:06:35 SPEAKER_003: And then we sat there for a few minutes.

00:06:44 SPEAKER_003: And at first, he was grimacing a bit, and then then he was he seemed better.

00:06:59 SPEAKER_003: And then after a few minutes, I asked him how he was feeling, and he said he was happy.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_003: And and then we moved on with our day, and he was much kind of better behaved, if you will.

00:07:22 SPEAKER_003: So that was good.

00:07:36 SPEAKER_001: So for me, so this is something that the the confederation have brought up a few times, and it's kind of how to deal with like negative emotions,

00:07:51 SPEAKER_001: and they've kind of said it in different ways, but the kind of same message, right?

00:08:04 SPEAKER_001: And I think it really, really kind of it for me really strikes because it connects with neuroscience, right?

00:08:18 SPEAKER_001: So recent kind of scientific, you know, looking at the You know, looking at how trauma works and stuff.

00:08:35 SPEAKER_001: Basically, like when you feel an emotion, you feel an emotion for a reason, right?

00:08:49 SPEAKER_001: It's it's like a something that you need to go through for defense or to keep yourself alive, or you know whatever else.

00:09:04 SPEAKER_001: Like so, so the emotion part is necessary in like an evolutionary sense, right?

00:09:16 SPEAKER_001: So being angry is needed to kind of defend your boundaries, to kind of keep your sovereignty.

00:09:29 SPEAKER_001: All these other things that anger. is a powerful use of outward force that is necessary, right?

00:09:40 SPEAKER_001: So, but yeah, but the thing is about these kind of emotions, right?

00:09:48 SPEAKER_001: They're reactions to a stimulus, to something that's happening, yeah.

00:09:56 SPEAKER_001: But they only actually last about a minute and a half to maybe two minutes ish, yeah.

00:10:11 SPEAKER_001: That the actual hormones, the actual neurotransmitters are flooding the Neurotransmitters are flood in the brain, which gives you the feeling of that anger.

00:10:31 SPEAKER_003: Right now, after that point, yeah, like basically the way that you'd carry on feeling angry after that is because you relive the event, you think about it, you go over it in your head,

00:10:47 SPEAKER_003: and then that reliving the event triggers that same feeling again.

00:10:52 SPEAKER_003: So you maintain being angry.

00:10:57 SPEAKER_003: You carry on being angry.

00:11:02 SPEAKER_003: The more you think about it, the angrier you get.

00:11:08 SPEAKER_001: You just keep getting more angry, right?

00:11:17 SPEAKER_001: Whereas, yeah, what the Confederation basically just said, like there, is is understand you've got to recognise the the catalyst, right?

00:11:24 SPEAKER_001: You can't ignore emotions and stuff.

00:11:31 SPEAKER_001: You have to feel them, because otherwise, what's the point in having the catalyst, right?

00:11:40 SPEAKER_001: So you feel it, but you don't need to continually feel it.

00:11:49 SPEAKER_001: After you have that brief little flash, yeah, then that minute and a half, right?

00:11:59 SPEAKER_001: That is your body your body wisdom, telling you do something here, yeah.

00:12:09 SPEAKER_001: Catalyst outwards, like this is an emotional reaction.

00:12:17 SPEAKER_001: But then after that, you don't need to hold on to that anger.

00:12:27 SPEAKER_001: There's no need for it if that scenario, that situation, has then been sorted, right?

00:12:35 SPEAKER_001: By that outburst, and then it stops.

00:12:43 SPEAKER_001: Then there's no need for you to keep going over the event and making yourself angrier, right?

00:12:59 SPEAKER_003: You can at that point, a minute and a half.

00:13:05 SPEAKER_003: two minutes after, have completely forgot, forgiven the person, completely dropped any anger, completely dropped any kind of negative, anything about a situation,

00:13:17 SPEAKER_003: and if you if you don't do that, the only person that's actually continuing that situation and continuing that anger feeling is you.

00:13:26 SPEAKER_003: Do you mean?

00:13:32 SPEAKER_003: So yeah, so so I like it with the Confederation go over that and they've they've.

00:13:43 SPEAKER_003: Go over that, and they've done, like I said, the same thing a few times.

00:13:53 SPEAKER_003: It's like feel the feeling, know what it is, react like a human.

00:14:01 SPEAKER_003: That's what you're here for.

00:14:10 SPEAKER_003: But realize that you don't need to to hang on to any of it.

00:14:19 SPEAKER_003: You know, you build that catalyst, learn from the catalyst, but then go back to love, go back to compassion straight away.

00:14:29 SPEAKER_003: Transmute that negativity into something positive.

00:14:36 SPEAKER_001: You know, that's good.

00:14:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, and that that's.

00:14:45 SPEAKER_001: And that—that's basically what it says here in this analysis.

00:14:53 SPEAKER_001: Kuo presents anger as an energy that can become spiritual catalyst.

00:15:07 SPEAKER_001: The teaching follows a clear movement: feel the anger, accept it, understand what it reveals, bring love into it, and then release it.

00:15:20 SPEAKER_001: The aim is neither to glorify anger nor to suppress it.

00:15:28 SPEAKER_001: The aim is to transform our relationship with it.

00:15:41 SPEAKER_003: Anger begins in the experience of separation—seeming separation with oneself, with one's neighbor, with one's family, or with an With one's family or with another country, this identifies a common root beneath many forms of anger.

00:16:07 SPEAKER_003: Anger often carries the feeling that something or someone stands against us, and divided or when divided against themselves, or another person has harmed or rejected, the family fails, or another group threatens,

00:16:18 SPEAKER_003: or the world has departed.

00:16:25 SPEAKER_001: From within third density consciousness, these divisions feel real and immediate.

00:16:34 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl calls them seeming separation. because the deeper metaphysical reality is unity.

00:16:43 SPEAKER_001: The person toward whom we direct anger is ultimately another expression of the same creator.

00:16:53 SPEAKER_001: This deeper unity does little good when used to bypass the human emotion.

00:17:01 SPEAKER_001: Kuo therefore begins with the anger as it actually is experienced.

00:17:09 SPEAKER_001: Anger is energy before it becomes action.

00:17:15 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says this anger is a powerful source of energy.

00:17:24 SPEAKER_001: Anger can sharpen attention, mobilize the body.

00:17:33 SPEAKER_001: Mobilized the body and revealed that something matters deeply to us.

00:17:44 SPEAKER_001: It may indicate pain, violated boundaries, fear, injustice, humiliation, or an unmet need.

00:17:53 SPEAKER_001: The energy itself remains open to direction.

00:17:56 SPEAKER_001: It can become aggression, resentment, and revenge.

00:18:05 SPEAKER_001: It can also become courage, protection, truthful speech, perseverance, or compassionate action.

00:18:14 SPEAKER_003: Cool therefore separates the energy of anger from whatever behavior may follow it.

00:18:21 SPEAKER_003: Feeling anger and harming someone are two different events.

00:18:36 SPEAKER_003: The seeker learns to receive the energy consciously. before choosing how to use it, basking in anger means fully encountering it, to feel its power, to bask in its power.

00:18:51 SPEAKER_003: This language sounds like an invitation to indulge anger.

00:19:01 SPEAKER_003: Within the larger teaching, however, it means allowing the emotion to become fully conscious.

00:19:10 SPEAKER_001: Many people immediately condemn, conceal, or discharge anger.

00:19:20 SPEAKER_001: Kula suggests pausing long enough to experience it directly, or I would say meditate on it.

00:19:28 SPEAKER_001: Where is it felt in the body?

00:19:32 SPEAKER_001: What event awakened it?

00:19:35 SPEAKER_001: What story is the mind telling?

00:19:38 SPEAKER_001: What stories the mind telling?

00:19:46 SPEAKER_001: You know, I I would say you know maybe not so narrative about it, but just to bask.

00:19:55 SPEAKER_003: To bask is just to feel.

00:20:02 SPEAKER_003: So it is kind of like its own radiance.

00:20:10 SPEAKER_003: You don't have to make a whole story about it.

00:20:17 SPEAKER_003: You can just feel it for what it is.

00:20:28 SPEAKER_003: Conscious, it is helpful being able to kind of look at yourself and say to yourself, "Why has this made me so angry?"

00:20:42 SPEAKER_003: Yeah. it can be.

00:20:49 SPEAKER_003: Just if that you don't have to go right into a big story of like you know when you heard this thing happened or whatever else.

00:21:09 SPEAKER_003: But being able to analyze what about this scenario has enraged me so much is a really is a good step of how to balance it has to kind of bring it back down to that

00:21:27 SPEAKER_003: love thing because you can recognize inside self what has made it angry rather than focusing on what they did. that's made you angry.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_003: You know, you can.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_003: I'm angry because I feel this way about myself.

00:21:44 SPEAKER_003: Right, and that aggravated it.

00:21:46 SPEAKER_003: You know, fair enough.

00:21:57 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and I guess yeah, you can see it as what story is the mind telling, in terms of just like observe is this being caused by a story, you know,

00:22:09 SPEAKER_001: hasn't gotten to such a state.

00:22:14 SPEAKER_003: What fear, wound, or cherished value lies beneath it?

00:22:24 SPEAKER_003: That that that's that I find is one of the keys to curing it.

00:22:31 SPEAKER_003: You know, if you find the love within it, and what does the anger want to protect?

00:22:37 SPEAKER_003: That's that's kind of similar there.

00:22:52 SPEAKER_001: So integration means accepting anger as part of the self, become part of yourself so that you can work with it as catalyst.

00:23:07 SPEAKER_001: Anger already belongs to the person experiencing it.

00:23:16 SPEAKER_001: Integration means ending the inner struggle against the fact that it has arisen.

00:23:27 SPEAKER_001: A person might say, "I am experiencing anger.

00:23:34 SPEAKER_001: This anger is within me.

00:23:39 SPEAKER_001: It has something to teach me.

00:23:44 SPEAKER_001: I can listen to it while retaining responsibility." for my choices.

00:23:55 SPEAKER_001: This differs from identifying completely with the anger, such as "I am anger," and or it's like, anyways.

00:24:03 SPEAKER_001: Integration also differs from suppression.

00:24:11 SPEAKER_001: Buried anger often returns through resentment, contempt, withdrawal, bodily tension, or sudden outburst.

00:24:17 SPEAKER_003: Accepted anger becomes available for the conscious spiritual work.

00:24:23 SPEAKER_003: Anger becomes catalyst by revealing the self.

00:24:28 SPEAKER_003: It helps the creator to know itself in one way.

00:24:35 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, so it's important not. to suppress it.

00:24:50 SPEAKER_003: You know, we're we're we're not in any way trying to tell anyone to suppress their anger, but rather to experience it in a safe way, such as through meditation.

00:25:10 SPEAKER_001: You know, while you're breathing and you're meditating, and the anger feeling is there, you can analyze it, you can see it, you can feel it, uh, you can understand it, and it's safe.

00:25:30 SPEAKER_001: No, nobody's getting hurt, and it's actually. one of the most healing ways of going about it.

00:25:43 SPEAKER_001: I was I was just going to say, like I totally agree with you.

00:26:00 SPEAKER_001: And one of the things I did quite a while ago on my journey was, you know, like I've I've said this to you before,

00:26:36 SPEAKER_001: but like that that trying to be aware of the vibrations inside you, the kind of the way the energy moves, and when you are angry, it's one of the clearest ones that you can feel,

00:27:09 SPEAKER_001: feel that vibration pulse up and down the body.

00:27:16 SPEAKER_001: so like you said, like if you go into that place of meditation and try and find the the love bit, you know,

00:27:33 SPEAKER_001: drag yourself back to that, you can feel the difference in like how the energy is moving inside.

00:27:47 SPEAKER_001: Because like like like Q'uo said, it's a really powerful source of energy.

00:28:07 SPEAKER_001: Um, think I think another thing that's relevant here is I think it was Shadow Guru, you know, that that guy that on YouTube and that, yeah, yeah, he said something that was like, um.

00:28:22 SPEAKER_001: That was like, that the point isn't to like, like not feed it.

00:28:28 SPEAKER_001: You you you're gonna feed it.

00:28:31 SPEAKER_001: You have to feed it.

00:28:35 SPEAKER_001: That's the point, right?

00:28:44 SPEAKER_003: But the point is not to react, yeah, like straight up because of the feeling, but consciously act, yeah.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_003: Respond.

00:28:56 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, like so.

00:29:01 SPEAKER_003: Instead of you're just having reaction to that thing, this is.

00:29:08 SPEAKER_003: I'm gonna do this.

00:29:11 SPEAKER_003: No. Yeah.

00:29:12 SPEAKER_003: This has happened.

00:29:13 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:29:14 SPEAKER_003: I feel this way, but.

00:29:18 SPEAKER_001: I'm going to act this way.

00:29:23 SPEAKER_001: So you know that through it, mm-hmm.

00:29:31 SPEAKER_001: That, and you have to feel that.

00:29:41 SPEAKER_001: But how you act after that is completely down to you, and how you bring it down to love.

00:29:47 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:29:54 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

00:29:55 SPEAKER_003: Very good.

00:29:56 SPEAKER_003: Um.

00:29:58 SPEAKER_003: Here we go.

00:30:04 SPEAKER_003: Anger becomes catalyst by revealing the self.

00:30:11 SPEAKER_001: Helps the creator know itself in one way.

00:30:18 SPEAKER_001: The law of one. framework: every experience contributes to the creator's self-knowledge.

00:30:26 SPEAKER_001: Anger reveals dimensions of the self that peace alone may leave hidden.

00:30:46 SPEAKER_001: It may show where the self feels powerless, or where pride or identity feels threatened, where an old wound remains active, where genuine injustice calls for action, where expectations have hardened into demands,

00:31:04 SPEAKER_001: or where love remains conditional.

00:31:14 SPEAKER_001: The event that triggers anger is therefore only part of the catalyst.

00:31:20 SPEAKER_001: The seeker also studies. the inner response.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_001: Two people may face the same event and experience very different emotions.

00:31:37 SPEAKER_001: Their reactions reveal their particular patterns, values, wounds, and spiritual lessons.

00:31:43 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, it's true.

00:31:45 SPEAKER_003: You know, you can have you know a conversation in a room where one person gets offended and nobody else does.

00:31:56 SPEAKER_003: It happens.

00:32:04 SPEAKER_001: You know, and it's usually because they took it personally.

00:32:15 SPEAKER_001: As as you know, but it's it's like it's like you were saying earlier on.

00:32:38 SPEAKER_001: You know, like we were.

00:32:42 SPEAKER_001: saying, you know, like, like you don't have to dwell on the stories, you don't relive it and go over, over it and ruminate on it and mess yourself up.

00:33:10 SPEAKER_001: That's not good, but being able to look at yourself and say, this made me angry because of this trigger inside me, rather than blaming the outward other person.

00:33:26 SPEAKER_001: That's the inner work, right?

00:33:43 SPEAKER_001: Rather than you know just, and then from that place, once you've done that work, then then the action that you take is going to be you know that's your service to self, service to others.

00:34:02 SPEAKER_001: You know, discipline of personality.

00:34:11 SPEAKER_001: That's the knowing the self, so that when these things happen, you know why you reacted that way.

00:34:19 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

00:34:20 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

00:34:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:34:25 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

00:34:26 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:34:29 SPEAKER_001: Love balances anger by holding the whole truth.

00:34:38 SPEAKER_001: You can balance this anger with your love that flows through you from the creator.

00:34:54 SPEAKER_001: Balancing means bringing another. energy into conscious relationship with anger, love expands awareness beyond the narrow focus produced by anger.

00:35:12 SPEAKER_001: Anger may say, "It is say right this this little bit here, this little bit of this this number or whatever."

00:35:29 SPEAKER_001: Because every single emotion, at all, in every single way, can be balanced with love.

00:35:36 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, fair enough.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_001: Yes, it's true.

00:35:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, obviously you can change the word.

00:35:46 SPEAKER_001: Love and light, man.

00:35:50 SPEAKER_001: That's all.

00:35:52 SPEAKER_001: Everything is.

00:35:54 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:35:55 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:35:59 SPEAKER_001: Anger may say this person harmed me.

00:36:07 SPEAKER_001: Love can add this person is also complex being shaped by fear, confusion, suffering, and free will.

00:36:16 SPEAKER_001: And often, like you know, harm.

00:36:26 SPEAKER_001: Like sometimes they didn't intend to, and it's how we reacted that you know we harmed ourselves, if you will.

00:36:34 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:36:37 SPEAKER_001: Anger may say the injustice must. be confronted.

00:36:40 SPEAKER_001: Love can add.

00:36:45 SPEAKER_001: Let the response protect dignity and seek healing.

00:36:50 SPEAKER_001: Yes, for sure.

00:36:59 SPEAKER_001: You know because I think that the injustice must be confronted.

00:37:30 SPEAKER_001: I know some people that you know react this way, and it would be more productive if you know they thought about it a little bit, and then thought about what they loved,

00:37:46 SPEAKER_001: and so that their response would help. with healing and things like that.

00:37:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:37:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:37:54 SPEAKER_001: Anger, healing and stuff.

00:37:57 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:37:57 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:37:58 SPEAKER_001: Anger may say.

00:38:00 SPEAKER_002: Oh, sorry.

00:38:03 SPEAKER_002: Did you want to say something?

00:38:04 SPEAKER_002: Go ahead.

00:38:14 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I was just gonna say, like, so, you know, um, uh, with what you were just saying, kind of like the the the.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_002: So so, with the with the yeah the the three pillars yeah yeah the middle pillar thing, yeah yeah you've got severity and you've got mercy, right?

00:38:45 SPEAKER_002: They're both outward. force.

00:38:54 SPEAKER_002: They're both outward expressions of stuff, but one of them is, you know, like the the service self.

00:39:03 SPEAKER_002: I will destroy.

00:39:04 SPEAKER_002: I will control.

00:39:05 SPEAKER_002: You know.

00:39:06 SPEAKER_002: Right.

00:39:07 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:39:08 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:39:09 SPEAKER_002: Other outward use is the Jupiter.

00:39:13 SPEAKER_002: Is the I will protect.

00:39:18 SPEAKER_002: I will absorb the blows to protect the others.

00:39:23 SPEAKER_002: You know what I'm saying?

00:39:27 SPEAKER_002: So the same uses like yeah of of of of that energy.

00:39:36 SPEAKER_002: You know, but they're both balanced by that point. of love, you know.

00:39:41 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:39:42 SPEAKER_002: How?

00:39:42 SPEAKER_002: What?

00:39:45 SPEAKER_002: How do you use that energy?

00:39:48 SPEAKER_002: You know.

00:39:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:40:00 SPEAKER_002: And and I think that you know we we have to be careful, like, not to go into martyrdom of, you know, accepting the blows for someone else, if you will.

00:40:12 SPEAKER_002: Um.

00:40:21 SPEAKER_002: But rather to do it maybe more the Tai Chi way, you know, of uh, you know, letting them go around us, if you will, because.

00:40:40 SPEAKER_002: Well, because it's kind of like if it's fear and anger, you know, just let it flow it away like chaff in the wind.

00:40:47 SPEAKER_002: You know, you don't have to be affected by it.

00:40:55 SPEAKER_002: You you can just let it go, and it's fine.

00:41:04 SPEAKER_002: And just you know, forgive and love everybody involved, and just send blessings on everybody.

00:41:12 SPEAKER_002: Well, that's what I do, anyways.

00:41:20 SPEAKER_002: See now, at the minute, on another chat thing, we're having a chat of power wisdom triangle.

00:41:26 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:41:36 SPEAKER_002: Angle, you know, and you know, I I talked about an example they use in the Shaolin kind of, you know, the the Buddhist kind of monk thing,

00:41:55 SPEAKER_002: and is what why they train themselves to be such, you know, good martial artists, and based down to the positive use of force, as we just said, like the Jupiter thing,

00:42:17 SPEAKER_002: yeah. the The scenario is, if you're standing at the edge of a cliff, and someone comes running at you, yeah, and you've got time to react to whatever else, yeah.

00:42:32 SPEAKER_002: But they're going to knock you and themselves off the cliff, right?

00:42:40 SPEAKER_002: So you've got like a fraction of a second to think about it, right now.

00:42:48 SPEAKER_002: The choices are really what you could do, yeah,

00:43:00 SPEAKER_002: is you could just like straight up punch the guy in the face as hard as you can with all of his momentum and just knock him out,

00:43:17 SPEAKER_002: so he flops on the floor next to you, it doesn't go off the cliff, and you don't go off the cliff, and brilliant scenario, right?

00:43:32 SPEAKER_002: That would. be having the wisdom to have the skill to knock the guy out before the thing happens, right?

00:43:46 SPEAKER_002: And knowing that you can do that, that action to save him and yourself, right?

00:43:54 SPEAKER_002: Now the next thing would be a love over wisdom, because you like you just said you chose love.

00:44:02 SPEAKER_002: You wouldn't want to hurt anyone.

00:44:08 SPEAKER_002: You'd have to do whatever, right?

00:44:15 SPEAKER_002: You'd, you'd so that guy would go through you, and you'd both go off the cliff.

00:44:27 SPEAKER_002: It would actually. be service to other action because of the fact that it would be an act of martyrdom out of love, essentially, right?

00:44:39 SPEAKER_002: So then that would be like you know love over wisdom, right?

00:44:45 SPEAKER_002: But then you've got power, right?

00:44:48 SPEAKER_002: So the sorry, shall I stop?

00:44:53 SPEAKER_002: Is a oh no, go ahead, go ahead.

00:44:58 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I'll try and be quick.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_002: So then the next step would be if he came running at you and you like dodged out of the way and let him go off the cliff, but you didn't, right?

00:45:28 SPEAKER_002: And that would be like the sinkhole response, where essentially the love of self meant that you saved yourself, right?

00:45:40 SPEAKER_002: But you know you didn't have the wisdom or the power to to stop him from dying himself, right?

00:45:49 SPEAKER_002: So that's like the sinkhole bit.

00:45:53 SPEAKER_002: And then you can speak if you want.

00:45:57 SPEAKER_002: Just jump in, okay?

00:46:00 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:46:17 SPEAKER_002: Well, I just I I think that the intention quickly that the the sto option would be that you knock him out because you have.

00:46:33 SPEAKER_002: the power to, rather than the wisdom or whatever else.

00:46:40 SPEAKER_002: You just whatever, and then while he's unconscious, you break both his arms and legs, and then when he wakes up, you only kick him off the cliff, right?

00:46:49 SPEAKER_002: So that would be your service to self option.

00:46:55 SPEAKER_002: So then you've got all these.

00:47:00 SPEAKER_002: You know what I mean?

00:47:07 SPEAKER_003: You've got the four different ways that you could react.

00:47:18 SPEAKER_003: You know, like the the love, the wisdom, the power triangle.

00:47:29 SPEAKER_003: You know, and yes, so.

00:47:31 SPEAKER_003: Sorry, thoughts.

00:47:42 SPEAKER_003: I forgot what the original point we were saying about was.

00:47:48 SPEAKER_003: But anyway, yes.

00:47:50 SPEAKER_003: Sorry.

00:47:54 SPEAKER_005: Well, I just want to say that intention is actually paramount.

00:48:07 SPEAKER_001: So the physical thing that happens is less important than the intention behind it.

00:48:22 SPEAKER_001: And in terms of love and wisdom, it depends so much on so many different things.

00:48:39 SPEAKER_001: Like, for example. from a service to others perspective, you don't want to infringe on the will of another.

00:48:54 SPEAKER_001: And so, if that person is running towards you, and you feel unsafe, but you don't want to impede their progress,

00:49:10 SPEAKER_001: stepping aside can still be considered service to others as long as your intention is there.

00:49:24 SPEAKER_003: You know, oh, this person is trying to get by.

00:49:30 SPEAKER_003: I'm stepping aside.

00:49:34 SPEAKER_003: I'm letting them get by.

00:49:47 SPEAKER_003: That makes sense unless they they're trying to take you with them clearly, and then it does change.

00:50:01 SPEAKER_003: Anyway, so so there's the service to others that goes into martyrdom, and then they're like, oh well, they want to kill me, and you know I'm going to let them.

00:50:18 SPEAKER_003: But there is the the wisdom balancing to avoid martyrdom is that you know what?

00:50:34 SPEAKER_003: There's a lot of other people that want me to be.

00:50:44 SPEAKER_003: alive, so that I can be of service to them.

00:50:52 SPEAKER_001: I'd say that that is you identifying with the self and the relationships that the self has more than another self, which is service to self rather than service to other action.

00:51:11 SPEAKER_001: So, so the only situation which side is okay, in my opinion, would leave you in a sinkhole situation because you have not thought about the other self.

00:51:28 SPEAKER_001: So the service to others includes the whole of the creation.

00:51:38 SPEAKER_001: I know it doesn't include just one individual, right?

00:51:45 SPEAKER_001: You shouldn't be impeding in their free will.

00:51:53 SPEAKER_001: If their free will is for that, then your acts of martyrdom would be positive.

00:52:09 SPEAKER_001: Whereas letting them getting out of the way of them, the only but the only person's free will you're serving is yours.

00:52:23 SPEAKER_001: That is that is a sinkhole action.

00:52:35 SPEAKER_001: Well, according to you, no, no, I'm saying I'm saying that this is how the Buddhist monk laid it out.

00:52:46 SPEAKER_001: I'm just saying that intention matters.

00:52:49 SPEAKER_001: Oh no, I agree.

00:52:53 SPEAKER_001: I agree with that.

00:53:03 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because you see, like, there's the thing that what happens is that maybe, like, you you're letting the creation decide.

00:53:19 SPEAKER_001: You know, maybe this guy will jump over the bridge and he'll be fine.

00:53:27 SPEAKER_001: You don't know if he's going to be or not.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_001: Okay, and maybe you would.

00:53:51 SPEAKER_001: be like, for example, I'm remembering this particular past life regression from Dolores Cannon, and in it there was a man who was caretaker of a community.

00:54:17 SPEAKER_001: He was like an extraterrestrial that had crash landed on Earth somewhere in like Tibet or something, and he was taking care of this community, and he was, you know, dedicated to service to others.

00:54:34 SPEAKER_001: But then there was a guy who came a.

00:54:40 SPEAKER_001: Who came along?

00:54:44 SPEAKER_001: Who wanted to confront, violently confront this dude?

00:55:02 SPEAKER_001: And so, all the entire tribe threw themselves in the path of this violent man, and so that he, the violent man, would not harm this dude, because this dude, he.

00:55:26 SPEAKER_001: was service to others,

00:55:29 SPEAKER_001: and at some point he had decided that meant no harm to anybody, and then eventually he got so upset that that power over those other people made them do love over wisdom.

00:55:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, he did not do love over wisdom; otherwise, he would not have allowed any of those people to be harmed.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_001: Nonsense.

00:56:02 SPEAKER_001: I'm not sure what you're saying.

00:56:06 SPEAKER_001: I haven't finished the story though.

00:56:19 SPEAKER_001: Anyhow, so what I was saying is that eventually, after the whole tribe had died, he got so upset he killed the guy.

00:56:36 SPEAKER_001: And then in the afterlife, he found out that that guy wanted him to end him.

00:56:49 SPEAKER_001: And but he, what do you call it?

00:56:55 SPEAKER_001: Was then a What do you call it?

00:57:06 SPEAKER_001: Was had been upset with himself for many years because he felt that murder was unacceptable.

00:57:15 SPEAKER_001: Well, anyways, the resolution was the understanding.

00:57:22 SPEAKER_001: He just murdered on his own.

00:57:24 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

00:57:26 SPEAKER_001: He let the entire tribe die.

00:57:28 SPEAKER_001: That's his fault.

00:57:38 SPEAKER_001: If he could have killed the guy, that is his fault that all of those people died.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_001: Right.

00:57:46 SPEAKER_001: Right.

00:57:47 SPEAKER_001: Be him.

00:57:54 SPEAKER_001: So what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is that. rescuing the guy may not have been the most service to other solution.

00:58:05 SPEAKER_001: You know what I'm saying.

00:58:18 SPEAKER_001: So say, for instance, this guy was standing on a cliff, and this guy who was going to murder all the people was going at him, and then he disabled him,

00:58:35 SPEAKER_001: and then the guy wakes up and then murders everybody.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_001: Right.

00:58:41 SPEAKER_001: That's a possibility too.

00:58:46 SPEAKER_001: That is a possibility.

00:58:53 SPEAKER_001: But but what if you know you that the guy just falls off a cliff.

00:59:06 SPEAKER_001: The guy just falls off the cliff, and then you let nature decide.

00:59:12 SPEAKER_001: Okay, but but that's that.

00:59:15 SPEAKER_001: Okay, right.

00:59:17 SPEAKER_001: I'm just saying it's complicated.

00:59:24 SPEAKER_001: The hypothetical here is, yeah, that you know, is it wise?

00:59:46 SPEAKER_001: Is it wiser to knock the guy out, yeah, so that you can make these decisions later, while he is incapacitated, tied up, unable to do any more damage to anybody, yeah?

01:00:07 SPEAKER_001: Is that the best outcome, or is letting him die because he wanted to kill you?

01:00:29 SPEAKER_001: The next outcome, and whatever other way you play it, that yeah, it's either he's unconscious or he's dead, and you have the choice of how of the power how to use the power.

01:00:47 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:00:58 SPEAKER_001: Well, I can just tell you that in Canada, where I live, the stepping aside is the legal option.

01:01:15 SPEAKER_001: If you punch him, you become part of the crime.

01:01:23 SPEAKER_001: That's just how it is in Canada.

01:01:29 SPEAKER_001: So, like I said, the whole point.

01:01:35 SPEAKER_001: I can't condone.

01:01:38 SPEAKER_001: Was about the.

01:01:40 SPEAKER_001: Or I can't promote.

01:01:43 SPEAKER_001: You know, this whole punch out thing.

01:01:52 SPEAKER_001: No, no. I'm just saying it's not legally possible for me in Canada.

01:02:01 SPEAKER_001: Trying to promote violence, dude.

01:02:03 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:02:09 SPEAKER_001: To say that the whole hypothetical situation that we're talking about here.

01:02:14 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:02:17 SPEAKER_001: Is hypothetical, right?

01:02:19 SPEAKER_001: Is based around the positive use. of force, right?

01:02:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_001: So, is it what is the most wise use of love and power in this situation?

01:02:40 SPEAKER_001: So, say there was a police officer.

01:02:46 SPEAKER_001: No, no, no. You can't change.

01:02:50 SPEAKER_001: Hold on, because I have to.

01:02:58 SPEAKER_001: If you want me to respond to you while living in Canada, I forget about Canada.

01:03:10 SPEAKER_001: We're not talking about laws and things here.

01:03:13 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:03:16 SPEAKER_001: Well, but then let's move on.

01:03:21 SPEAKER_001: Anger may say I have failed and deserve condemnation.

01:03:31 SPEAKER_001: Love can add I remain worthy of patience, truth, and another opportunity to choose.

01:03:43 SPEAKER_001: Love does not require pretending that harmful behavior is harmless.

01:03:51 SPEAKER_001: Love seeks to perceive the complete being while responding wisely to the behavior.

01:04:00 SPEAKER_001: Dissolving anger means releasing its hold.

01:04:08 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says love may flow into that anger and dissolve that anger. so that it is no more at this time.

01:04:21 SPEAKER_001: The phrase "at this time" is important.

01:04:26 SPEAKER_001: Emotional transformation may be temporary, gradual, or cyclical.

01:04:31 SPEAKER_001: The anger may return as deeper layers of experience become available.

01:04:38 SPEAKER_001: Who explicitly acknowledges this?

01:04:41 SPEAKER_001: This anger may come back.

01:04:43 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:04:47 SPEAKER_001: So the return of anger does not mean the spiritual work failed.

01:04:58 SPEAKER_001: Each. return offers opportunity to meet the emotion with greater awareness.

01:05:08 SPEAKER_001: A deeply rooted anger may need to be processed many times.

01:05:18 SPEAKER_001: Spiritual practice becomes the growing confidence that the emotion can be received, understood, and transformed whenever it arises.

01:05:27 SPEAKER_001: For sure, it's just another opportunity to practice love.

01:05:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, absolutely.

01:05:33 SPEAKER_001: About transformation, right?

01:05:41 SPEAKER_001: You know, like like I said, raise that vibration.

01:05:50 SPEAKER_003: You know, like, and you can you can do that with any emotion, whatever.

01:06:03 SPEAKER_003: Do that with any emotion, wherever, wherever bad things get, you can hate that, and you can pull it to your heart, and it goes away.

01:06:14 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

01:06:19 SPEAKER_003: Love transforms anger without erasing discernment.

01:06:30 SPEAKER_003: The teaching culminates in the movement from anger toward feeling the love for all around you that you before felt anger for.

01:06:45 SPEAKER_003: This does not necessarily mean returning to their same relationship, restoring trust immediately, or permitting. harmful conduct.

01:06:52 SPEAKER_003: Love and discernment can work together.

01:07:03 SPEAKER_003: A loving response may include forgiveness, honest confrontation, protective boundaries, separation from an unsafe situation, restitution or accountability, service directed toward correcting an injustice.

01:07:25 SPEAKER_003: The transformation lies in releasing hatred and the desire to dehumanize, while allowing wisdom to determine the appropriate response.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_003: I would add here that it's about letting love.

01:07:52 SPEAKER_003: to and wisdom to determine the appropriate response, because oftentimes it's you have to know the desired state, the love that you find within your anger,

01:08:06 SPEAKER_003: and that when you communicate that love, then you're helping it manifest and become something real.

01:08:13 SPEAKER_003: The veil explains why anger feels necessary.

01:08:18 SPEAKER_003: Kuo connects anger with the third density illusion. the veil of forgetting.

01:08:27 SPEAKER_003: Behind the veil, we experience ourselves as separate beings with competing interests, vulnerable bodies, and limited knowledge.

01:08:36 SPEAKER_003: Anger can therefore appear necessary for survival, defense, and identity.

01:08:44 SPEAKER_003: From the deeper perspective of unity, every self and other self belongs to the Creator.

01:08:55 SPEAKER_003: Yet, third density life requires us to rediscover that unity through free choice.

01:09:04 SPEAKER_003: Anger becomes part of that rediscovery. it makes separation emotionally vivid.

01:09:16 SPEAKER_003: The seeker then chooses to find the love within the very experience that seemed to prove separation.

01:09:28 SPEAKER_003: So it helps us to feel that we are not one if we are angry with someone or something.

01:09:49 SPEAKER_003: But then that's—it's usually that feeling is a sign that we need to pay attention, and that there's something here more, some more love.

01:10:05 SPEAKER_003: that can be added to the situation,

01:10:10 SPEAKER_003: and if we allow ourselves to sit in meditation or contemplation, and allow the love to arise from within that anger, then we can heal ourselves and the world around us.

01:10:22 SPEAKER_003: Use it as catalyst and then set it aside.

01:10:30 SPEAKER_003: Kuo concludes: "So use it as catalyst and then set it aside."

01:10:38 SPEAKER_001: This offers a safeguard against. making anger into a permanent identity.

01:10:55 SPEAKER_001: Anger has completed its service once it has revealed what needs healing, what value needs protection, what truth needs expression, what action needs to be taken, what part of the self needs love,

01:11:09 SPEAKER_001: or what part of another.

01:11:13 SPEAKER_001: After receiving the lesson, the seeker releases the emotional charge.

01:11:21 SPEAKER_001: Carrying anger beyond its useful function allows the catalyst to become resentment.

01:11:34 SPEAKER_001: So. after receiving the lesson, the seeker releases the emotional charge, and that's how it usually works.

01:11:45 SPEAKER_002: Once you have learned the lesson, it's no longer an issue.

01:11:49 SPEAKER_002: You you feel much better.

01:11:57 SPEAKER_002: Whereas carrying the anger, usually, it has to do with not processing the anger.

01:12:03 SPEAKER_002: That the anger comes back.

01:12:10 SPEAKER_002: The teaching can therefore be summarized as: anger is a messenger, a source of energy. and an opportunity for self-knowledge.

01:12:18 SPEAKER_002: Welcome the messenger.

01:12:21 SPEAKER_002: Receive its message.

01:12:26 SPEAKER_002: Choose a loving response, and allow it to depart.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_002: That's for sure.

01:12:38 SPEAKER_002: You do have to allow it to depart, and that usually means forgiveness.

01:12:45 SPEAKER_002: A practical example: Suppose someone publicly misrepresents your intentions.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_002: The first reaction may be anger, bodily tension, or desire to retaliate.

01:13:00 SPEAKER_002: Following Kuo's teachings, you might proceed this way: Feel it.

01:13:09 SPEAKER_002: I'm angry, and I feel it strongly. in my chest and jaw.

01:13:15 SPEAKER_002: Accepted, this emotion is present and worthy of attention.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_002: Study it.

01:13:21 SPEAKER_002: I fear losing people's trust.

01:13:26 SPEAKER_002: Fairness and truth matter deeply to me.

01:13:35 SPEAKER_002: Balanced, the other person may be acting from incomplete information or their own fear.

01:13:39 SPEAKER_002: Choose.

01:13:42 SPEAKER_002: I will correct the claim clearly and firmly while preserving everyone's dignity.

01:13:46 SPEAKER_002: Release.

01:13:49 SPEAKER_002: I have received the lesson and taken appropriate action.

01:13:54 SPEAKER_002: I can let the remaining hostility go.

01:14:00 SPEAKER_002: In this. way, anger supplies energy for truthful action, while love determines the quality of that action.

01:14:12 SPEAKER_002: The central teaching, cool message, asks us to avoid two extremes: being ruled by anger or rejecting anger as spiritually unacceptable.

01:14:21 SPEAKER_002: The middle, oh, hold on a second.

01:14:23 SPEAKER_002: Um.

01:14:28 SPEAKER_002: Anyways, that it kind of got cut off there, but I think we get the point.

01:14:32 SPEAKER_002: Any.

01:14:36 SPEAKER_002: Final messages before we move on to the next one.

01:14:43 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so let's see, Mercedes, are you there?

01:14:47 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

01:14:48 SPEAKER_002: Okay, great.

01:14:50 SPEAKER_002: I think it's Austin now.

01:14:54 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so now this is the next question.

01:14:57 SPEAKER_002: Thank you, Kuo.

01:15:03 SPEAKER_002: That was beautiful.

01:15:04 SPEAKER_002: Can you comment?

01:15:06 SPEAKER_002: on the infinity of the body?

01:15:13 SPEAKER_002: I have an easier time understanding the infinity of the mind and the spirit.

01:15:22 SPEAKER_002: The physical vessel seems most limited to me.

01:15:34 SPEAKER_002: If we each contain the whole, is that our vessel, or does that mean the physical material of the universe—stars, planets—is that all considered the body of the individual?

01:15:44 SPEAKER_002: I am Q'uo.

01:15:45 SPEAKER_002: Excuse me.

01:15:50 SPEAKER_002: I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of your of the query, my sister.

01:16:07 SPEAKER_002: We appreciate this. query greatly, for it allows us to explore a topic that excites us particularly, and that is the relationship between the infinite and the finite, the real and the illusory.

01:16:24 SPEAKER_002: It allows us to offer valuable information about your third density experience, that is quite important at this time upon your planet.

01:16:35 SPEAKER_002: We would begin by addressing the baseline of the creation, where this creation came from.

01:16:48 SPEAKER_002: Indeed, this creation was spawned from infinity, the very first thing known at all within the.

01:17:01 SPEAKER_002: universe was infinity, and then through a series of distortions,

01:17:09 SPEAKER_002: that which we have called the primal distortions—the first distortion of free will or confusion, first enabling that infinity to have awareness and desire to know itself; second distortion of love or logos,

01:17:26 SPEAKER_002: forming a particular type of energy, or direction or configuration, or focusing of that infinity, which immediately generates the third distortion of light.

01:17:37 SPEAKER_002: Upon these three distortions. the rest of the creation is built, and indeed, this is.

01:17:47 SPEAKER_002: And indeed, this is not an event that happened at some point in your past.

01:17:56 SPEAKER_002: For in reality, there is no such thing as the past or the future.

01:18:03 SPEAKER_002: There is only the present moment in different configurations.

01:18:11 SPEAKER_002: But in each configuration, no matter how seemingly different, these three distortions are present.

01:18:20 SPEAKER_002: The very fundamental aspect of the creation is within you in every moment of these three distortions.

01:18:38 SPEAKER_002: In this way, we can say that if.

01:18:48 SPEAKER_002: that in this way, we can say that infinity is contained and does exist within the body, and the mind, and the spirit.

01:19:16 SPEAKER_001: But these three distortions resulted in a creation, in a creation that we have called an illusion, and it is indeed an illusion.

01:19:31 SPEAKER_001: For how can infinity, which is unity, have an awareness of itself?

01:19:43 SPEAKER_001: In order to be aware, there must be something to be aware of, which then implies tuness or finiteness.

01:19:57 SPEAKER_001: Indeed, that then implies that the infinite. creation that you are a part of is, in this sense, an illusion.

01:20:15 SPEAKER_001: The seeming separation, the distance between the subject of you and whatever you are perceiving as object, is an illusion, but a divine illusion.

01:20:39 SPEAKER_001: This was the desire of the one infinite Creator that you experience limitation, and indeed the question, as you have posed it, points to a very important aspect of that limitation, and that is how you,

01:20:58 SPEAKER_001: as mind-body-spirit complexes, experience Complexes experiences experience that finiteness.

01:21:17 SPEAKER_001: At the most poignant and important aspect, and the most poignant and important aspect of this experience is through what you call and what we have called the body complex.

01:21:41 SPEAKER_001: It is that vehicle which houses and helps your consciousness to have a vehicle within the illusion of space and time.

01:22:01 SPEAKER_001: It is that which allows you to experience the illusion of separation, and this is why we believe you have perceived within this query a seeming difficulty of understanding the body. as infinite,

01:22:19 SPEAKER_003: or it is your most immediate experience of the separation.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_003: However, we would point out briefly that that we would encourage you to ponder the nature of of the infinity of your of the infinity of your mind and of your spirit,

01:22:51 SPEAKER_001: for these two have important illusory separate as separate aspects.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_001: For when you are experiencing your own mind, you are experiencing just a small portion of the one infinite creator.

01:23:24 SPEAKER_001: You, as an individuated portion of that creation creator, have a particular experience.

01:23:38 SPEAKER_001: There are particular aspects of the mind that are available to you, and there are particular aspects that are not available to you.

01:23:47 SPEAKER_001: You cannot know the thought of every mind.

01:23:55 SPEAKER_001: You cannot know the thought of every other self that comes across your path.

01:24:18 SPEAKER_003: You cannot know the thought of a mind body spirit complex on the other side of creation without infinite will, which we have not realized yet within your third density illusion, which you.

01:24:43 SPEAKER_003: Illusion, but you have not realized yet within your third density illusion, and even the spirit complex—that aspect of yourself that helps you represent the perfection of the One Infinite Creator—has an individual portion.

01:24:58 SPEAKER_003: Though it is in that shuttle which allows the One Infinite Creator and intelligent infinity to rain down upon yourself to connect with you,

01:25:13 SPEAKER_003: it is your individuated will that reaches up through the spirit complex and allows that One Infinite Creator into your being.

01:25:31 SPEAKER_001: And so we would encourage the. continued pondering of the finiteness of these aspects, for indeed they are all illusory.

01:25:46 SPEAKER_001: However, we return to the notion that it is indeed your body that seems to be the most finite.

01:26:00 SPEAKER_001: This was indeed by design of your sublogos and many sublogoi in the proximity of your own.

01:26:15 SPEAKER_003: It seems that your consciousness is somehow trapped within this body, and these senses that this body delivers to your consciousness seem quite limited.

01:26:32 SPEAKER_003: You can only see that which is before you.

01:26:36 SPEAKER_003: You can only feel that. which touches your skin.

01:26:40 SPEAKER_003: You can only hear that which is in your proximity.

01:26:53 SPEAKER_003: However, we would ask you to consider that you, as your body, are not limited to just these molecules and cells that are contained within you.

01:27:06 SPEAKER_003: What your what your paradigm, right paradigm, has deemed your own individual body.

01:27:15 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

01:27:25 SPEAKER_001: You have spent much time this weekend within a great environment of nature, a beautiful land that serves you and receives your service of love.

01:27:49 SPEAKER_001: We encourage you to reflect.

01:27:52 SPEAKER_001: upon the times throughout this weekend and throughout your life that you have witnessed this nature, and felt that felt that one with it.

01:28:11 SPEAKER_001: When you have seen the sun rising, heard the birds calling, felt the breeze upon your skin, and in that moment, all felt as perfection.

01:28:26 SPEAKER_001: Indeed, this is, in a sense, your body experiencing infinity.

01:28:33 SPEAKER_001: Indeed, this is your body expanding to infinity.

01:28:44 SPEAKER_001: The limitations placed upon your perception of the body dissolve, and you become one with the environment around you.

01:28:59 SPEAKER_001: This can be true for many experiences, as stated in the query.

01:29:03 SPEAKER_001: You may look upon a star that is on the other side of your galaxy and feel its perfection.

01:29:16 SPEAKER_001: And in that sight and in that feeling, your body becomes one with that star.

01:29:27 SPEAKER_001: Is it is indeed not separate from you, for both you and that star are the one infinite creator.

01:29:35 SPEAKER_003: You both contain within you the holographic infinite creator.

01:29:44 SPEAKER_001: We encourage deep contemplation of this, for it is indeed in the seeming paradox. that your that your experience can seem so limited,

01:30:03 SPEAKER_003: but can in certain situations seem to break down and allow you to experience something far beyond the limitation of your body.

01:30:13 SPEAKER_001: That will that will lead you to understanding the infinite aspect of your body.

01:30:23 SPEAKER_001: It will help you to realize the one infinite Creator that exists within you, and how and how all can be part of you and your body.

01:30:35 SPEAKER_001: It is your body that allows you to perceive these things.

01:30:52 SPEAKER_003: It is your body that allows you to move. about the space-time of one infinite Creator and interact with your other selves and find unity with your other selves, and indeed,

01:31:08 SPEAKER_001: it is with this body that evolution of the spirit—that evolution of the spirit is even possible.

01:31:31 SPEAKER_001: For within the divine illusion set up by the Creator, one must experience separation; one must believe and experience, in some sense, the separation that is illusory, and by it completely, as you may say,

01:31:58 SPEAKER_001: experience it completely, so that the moment is of breakthrough, the dissolution. of this, the dissolution of this illusion, is more poignant.

01:32:13 SPEAKER_001: The realization of the Creator becomes much more powerful, much more divine, when one has realized, when one has experienced the illusion of separation and believed it in their heart,

01:32:31 SPEAKER_001: but then let go of that belief, and the infinity of the one infinite Creator enters into your heart.

01:32:50 SPEAKER_001: We would also encourage continued contemplation upon the relationship between your body, and your mind, and your spirit, for your mind and your spirit may be more seemingly infinite.

01:33:09 SPEAKER_001: Maybe more seemingly infinite, may seem to allow you to better grasp and better connect with the intelligent infinity.

01:33:21 SPEAKER_001: But without the body, this connection becomes quite pale.

01:33:30 SPEAKER_001: The ability to truly experience the one infinite creation is not available without a body.

01:33:42 SPEAKER_001: Without a body, which allows the creation to be fed to the mind and the spirit.

01:33:58 SPEAKER_001: Indeed, the body is the interface of the of your mind, body, spirit complex within the one infinite creation.

01:34:18 SPEAKER_001: And we would even further encourage the contemplation that separation of these three aspects of your being—the body complex, the mind complex, and the spirit complex—is itself illusory.

01:34:46 SPEAKER_001: Prior to the veiling of your subconsciousness, before the veil was conceived and implemented by the sublogai, this was understood and experienced by the beings at that time as one singular thing with three aspects.

01:35:11 SPEAKER_001: But the experience available to you is that these can be worked with, with and experienced, and considered as three separate aspects.

01:35:27 SPEAKER_001: of yourself, but this is indeed illusory.

01:35:32 SPEAKER_001: If your mind and your spirit are infinite, then your body can also, or must also be, must also be infinite, or it is one with your mind and with your spirit.

01:35:54 SPEAKER_001: At this time, we would take leave of this instrument and transfer the contact to the one known as Tricia.

01:35:55 SPEAKER_001: We are quote.

01:35:55 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

01:35:55 SPEAKER_001: I know that was a long one.

01:35:56 SPEAKER_001: What do you guys think?

01:35:57 SPEAKER_001: That was a well, good one.

01:35:58 SPEAKER_001: Love that.

01:35:58 SPEAKER_001: Loads in there.

01:36:00 SPEAKER_001: Cool.

01:36:00 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:36:02 SPEAKER_001: Right.

01:36:02 SPEAKER_001: So.

01:36:04 SPEAKER_001: So.

01:36:04 SPEAKER_001: Just start with, like, like.

01:36:05 SPEAKER_001: Quite fully confirmed a few biggies in there.

01:36:05 SPEAKER_001: Like, like the the whole holographic universe thing, you know, and how we're all just literally like holographic microcosms of the lot.

01:36:06 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:36:07 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:36:07 SPEAKER_001: There's loads in there.

01:36:07 SPEAKER_001: Go on, Fred.

01:36:08 SPEAKER_001: Man, jump in.

01:36:08 SPEAKER_001: Don't.

01:36:09 SPEAKER_001: My question, after hearing that again, is since our body is necessary for the evolution of our spirit, which is exactly what Q'uo said, is that true in all higher densities also?

01:36:10 SPEAKER_001: And if so, how does the interplay between the body and the spirit in higher densities affect the evolution of the spirit in?

01:36:10 SPEAKER_001: those instances differently than third density.

01:36:10 SPEAKER_001: I would say that it's it's not quite the same because in fifth density, you can change the shape of your body at will, and so in that sense, the body is much less finite.

01:36:11 SPEAKER_001: And then in sixth density, your body isn't, you know, no. Necessary, like you're spending about as much time in time space as you are in space time,

01:36:11 SPEAKER_001: and so at that time it's even less finite.

01:36:11 SPEAKER_001: And then in seventh density, you're working with timelines, and then you're seeing yourself as kind of like a.

01:36:11 SPEAKER_001: If you've ever been in like an elevator where there's mirrors on both sides, it's kind of like that.

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's just kind of like an infinite progression. of different timelines in you doing different things in in different ways.

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: So in that sense, it feels way more infinite than in the third density, where you just have you know one meat sack.

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: You're interacting with you know the rocks and other water sacks and you know a few technological items.

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: I think I think that I think. it was in the the session with Jim on Wednesday that he mentioned something about how pre veil all of the the entities were they were mind body spirits

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: right one thing the one thing there's no separation between those three things there was no veiling so they were just that one yeah they were mind body spirits not mind body spirit complexes exactly and

01:36:12 SPEAKER_001: it was once we became a complex,

01:36:13 SPEAKER_001: as in three separate parts working together to create a whole.

01:36:13 SPEAKER_001: Once there was a veil, exactly.

01:36:13 SPEAKER_001: Just one thing—that's what then created the veil, and why we.

01:36:14 SPEAKER_001: What's what's the difference between us and the unveiled state?

01:36:14 SPEAKER_001: So, arguably, we just go back to being that mind body that mind body spirit.

01:36:14 SPEAKER_001: So, I'm assuming that the body at that point would then just be able to dematerialize and rematerialize wherever the mind, spirit part is, you know, it places itself.

01:36:14 SPEAKER_001: Well, I think, yeah, that would be fifth or sixth density, but I think third density was still similar to Arthur density.

01:36:15 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I mean, they would just didn't have as much motivation to polarize, but you'd probably still be you.

01:36:16 SPEAKER_001: Is what I'm saying.

01:36:16 SPEAKER_001: Well, that in mind, body, spirit, rather than being, I mean, we're all one infinite creator.

01:36:17 SPEAKER_001: Bodies, you know, so. we, we, you'd still be the infinite creator one way or another.

01:36:17 SPEAKER_001: It's just that without the veil, you're aware of that.

01:36:18 SPEAKER_001: at a much deeper level.

01:36:19 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, of course.

01:36:19 SPEAKER_001: You're the infinite creator, and everybody else.

01:36:19 SPEAKER_001: It's the veil that allows us to have choice.

01:36:19 SPEAKER_001: It allows us to think other than everyone is the infinite creator, and then it becomes a leap of faith to be like, oh, everyone's the infinite creator.

01:36:20 SPEAKER_001: You know, and that's kind of the. joy of it.

01:36:20 SPEAKER_001: How can the body be infinite?

01:36:20 SPEAKER_001: Kual begins with a paradox.

01:36:21 SPEAKER_001: The physical body appears bounded, vulnerable, and temporary.

01:36:21 SPEAKER_001: Yet the law of one describes the body, mind, and spirit as expressions of the infinite Creator.

01:36:21 SPEAKER_001: The teaching resolves this by distinguishing between our ordinary perception of the body and the deeper reality in which the body participates.

01:36:21 SPEAKER_001: The body seems finite because it is designed to give consciousness and experience. of limitation, yet the body also connects us directly with the entire creation.

01:36:21 SPEAKER_001: Its infinity lies less in the number of cells it contains and more in its inseparable relationship with everything that exists.

01:36:22 SPEAKER_001: Creation begins with infinity.

01:36:22 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says the very first thing known to all within the universe was infinity.

01:36:22 SPEAKER_001: Before creation appears, the stars, bodies, minds, or individual beings, there is undivided. infinity.

01:36:22 SPEAKER_001: This infinity is the one infinite creator, who then describes the three primal distortions.

01:36:22 SPEAKER_001: The first distortion of free will, or confusion.

01:36:23 SPEAKER_003: The free will allows infinity to possess an open field of possibilities.

01:36:24 SPEAKER_003: It introduces mystery, unpredictability, and freedom through which the creator makes for itself.

01:36:24 SPEAKER_003: The second distortion of love or logos.

01:36:25 SPEAKER_003: Love gives free will direction and focus.

01:36:25 SPEAKER_003: Here, love means. more than an emotion.

01:36:26 SPEAKER_003: It is the creative principle, the logos, which organizes infinite possibility into a particular creation.

01:36:27 SPEAKER_003: The third distortion of light.

01:36:27 SPEAKER_003: Light is the substance through which the patterns of love become manifest.

01:36:28 SPEAKER_003: From light arises energy, matter, bodies, planets, and the structure of experience.

01:36:28 SPEAKER_003: These distortions are called distortions because each expresses infinity through a more particular form.

01:36:28 SPEAKER_003: They shape unity into an experience where. movement, relationship, and self-discovery can occur, the primal distortion remains present.

01:36:28 SPEAKER_003: Now, Koo emphasizes that creation is more than an event in a distant past.

01:36:29 SPEAKER_003: There is only the present moment in different configurations.

01:36:29 SPEAKER_003: Free will, love, and light continue operating within every present experience.

01:36:29 SPEAKER_003: Your capacity to choose expresses free will.

01:36:31 SPEAKER_003: The intention and meaning directing the choice expresses love.

01:36:31 SPEAKER_003: The embodied world in which the choice becomes visible expresses light.

01:36:32 SPEAKER_003: Therefore, infinity exists within the body, mind, and spirit because the fundamental principles of infinity remain present within each of them.

01:36:33 SPEAKER_003: Awareness creates the appearance of two.

01:36:33 SPEAKER_003: Kuh then asks, "For how can infinity, which is unity, have an awareness of itself?

01:36:35 SPEAKER_003: Awareness appears to require relationship between the one who perceives and the one being perceived." there is a subject and an object, an observer and something observed.

01:36:35 SPEAKER_003: Pure unity contains no true separation.

01:36:36 SPEAKER_003: For the creator to experience itself, unity generates the appearance, appearance of distinct perspectives.

01:36:36 SPEAKER_003: The creator becomes the seeker, the object being sought, and the world through which the seeking occurs.

01:36:36 SPEAKER_003: This is why Kuo calls creation an illusion, but it is a divine illusion.

01:36:37 SPEAKER_001: The illusion consists of apparent separation.

01:36:37 SPEAKER_001: This of apparent separation, its divinity lies in its purpose.

01:36:37 SPEAKER_001: Through the experience of being separate, the Creator gains an experiential encounter with reunion, recognition, and love.

01:36:39 SPEAKER_001: Limitation a desired feature of incarnation.

01:36:39 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says this was the desire of the One Infinite Creator that you would experience limitation.

01:36:39 SPEAKER_001: Physical limitation may seem like an obstacle to spiritual life.

01:36:39 SPEAKER_001: Kuo presents it as one of the main conditions that makes spiritual life possible.

01:36:41 SPEAKER_001: Through the body we experience a particular location, a limited field of vision, vulnerability and need, pleasure and pain, birth, aging and death, distance from other beings.

01:36:42 SPEAKER_001: Those limits make separation convincing.

01:36:42 SPEAKER_001: We seem to exist inside one body while the rest of creation appears outside it.

01:36:43 SPEAKER_001: The body therefore becomes your most immediate experience of this separation.

01:36:43 SPEAKER_001: It gives consciousness a specific point of view.

01:36:43 SPEAKER_001: You see through these eyes, feel through the nervous system. and move through the world from this location.

01:36:43 SPEAKER_001: Mind and spirit also possess infinite aspects.

01:36:44 SPEAKER_001: The body may appear uniquely limited, yet Koo asks us to examine the apparent infinity of mind and spirit as well.

01:36:45 SPEAKER_001: Your mind can imagine distant places, remember the past, and contemplate eternity.

01:36:45 SPEAKER_001: Even so, you experience only one individualized portion of the universal mind.

01:36:46 SPEAKER_001: You cannot know the thought of every other self. that comes across your path, the mind is connected with infinity, while its conscious access remains particular and selective.

01:36:48 SPEAKER_001: The spirit also possesses an individualized function.

01:36:49 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl describes it as the shuttle, which allows the one infinite creator and intelligent infinity to rain down upon yourself.

01:36:49 SPEAKER_001: The spirit provides a pathway between individualized consciousness and intelligent infinity.

01:36:49 SPEAKER_001: Yet the person's own will determines how. fully this connection is invited and received.

01:36:50 SPEAKER_001: Thus, body, mind, and spirit each express infinity through a focused perspective.

01:36:50 SPEAKER_001: All three are simultaneously universal in origin and particular in experience.

01:36:50 SPEAKER_001: The body extends beyond its visible boundary.

01:36:51 SPEAKER_001: Who essential insight is you?

01:36:51 SPEAKER_001: As your body, are not limited to just those molecules and cells that are contained within what your paradigm.

01:36:51 SPEAKER_001: In what your paradigm has deemed your own individual body, ordinary thinking treats the skin as an absolute boundary of the body.

01:36:52 SPEAKER_001: Your bodily existence depends continuously on the surrounding world.

01:36:53 SPEAKER_001: I think that this is a very important thing because, you know, it may seem that way, but you are can often feel, you know, when someone is looking at you, and in that sense,

01:36:53 SPEAKER_001: you know, you're sensing things, and you like sense things, you know, be Things, you know, before they happen, and like you can see people's expressions, and I don't know.

01:36:53 SPEAKER_001: Like I, I feel like those are all give rise to bodily sensations.

01:36:54 SPEAKER_001: The body exchanges air with the atmosphere, receives energy from the sun through food, participates in ecosystems, and remains connected to the earth's water, minerals, and living organisms.

01:36:54 SPEAKER_001: Even on a purely physical level, the body is an open process.

01:36:54 SPEAKER_001: It continually receives, transforms, and releases matter. and energy.

01:36:56 SPEAKER_001: Who extends this into a metaphysical insight?

01:36:56 SPEAKER_001: When someone sees the sunrise, hears birds, and feels the wind, the environment becomes part of the person's lived bodily experience.

01:36:57 SPEAKER_001: The limitations placed upon your perception of the body dissolve, and you become one with the environment around you.

01:36:57 SPEAKER_001: The body's infinity appears when the strict division between self and environment softens.

01:36:57 SPEAKER_001: The body becomes a living point through which the wider creation experiences itself exactly. and this is, you know, what Kuo is driving home much of the time.

01:36:57 SPEAKER_001: And well, and every morning I pray, may the infinite Creator align my thoughts, feelings, words, and actions, that I may be of greatest service for all creation.

01:36:58 SPEAKER_001: And and that that's the point here.

01:36:58 SPEAKER_001: To the the body becomes a living point through which the wider creation experiencing itself, just being a channel of the infinite Creator.

01:36:58 SPEAKER_001: So. you know, letting the infinite Creator perceive through you and act through you.

01:36:59 SPEAKER_001: The perception is a form of the participation.

01:36:59 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl gives the example of looking upon a distant star.

01:36:59 SPEAKER_001: In that sight and in that feeling, your body becomes one with that star.

01:37:00 SPEAKER_001: The star remains physically distant, yet its light enters the eyes, stimulates the nervous system, and becomes a conscious experience.

01:37:00 SPEAKER_001: The observer and the star participate in one event.

01:37:01 SPEAKER_001: The deeper metaphysical claim is that both arise from the same creator.

01:37:01 SPEAKER_001: You both contain within you the holographic infinite creator.

01:37:01 SPEAKER_001: All holographic understanding means that each portion of the creation contains and reflects the pattern of the whole.

01:37:02 SPEAKER_001: The star and the person are distinct expressions of one infinite source.

01:37:02 SPEAKER_001: When the person perceives the star with wonder, infinity encounters itself across the apparent distance between. observer and observed, the body is where unity becomes experiential.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_001: The mind may understand the idea that all things are one.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_001: The body allows unity to become lived experience.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_001: Through the body, we embrace another person, work together, serve, create, suffer, heal, and share the world.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_001: Embodiment transforms unity from an abstract proposition into relationship.

01:37:04 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says it is with the body that evolution of the spirit. is even possible.

01:37:05 SPEAKER_001: The spirit evolves through choices made under conditions of limitation.

01:37:05 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because if everything is infinite, then all of your desires are met instantly.

01:37:05 SPEAKER_001: Patience has meaning because frustration exists.

01:37:06 SPEAKER_001: Courage has meaning because vulnerability exists.

01:37:06 SPEAKER_001: Forgiveness has meaning because injury feels real.

01:37:06 SPEAKER_001: Love becomes spiritually significant because separation appears convincing. the body provides the conditions in which these choices carry weight.

01:37:06 SPEAKER_001: Separation intensifies the rediscovery of unity.

01:37:06 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl explains that one must experience separation, that is illusory, and by it completely.

01:37:08 SPEAKER_001: This means incarnate consciousness becomes deeply immersed in the experience of individuality.

01:37:08 SPEAKER_001: We genuinely feel alone, misunderstood, threatened, or separate from God and creation, this immersion prepares the possibility of breakthrough.

01:37:08 SPEAKER_001: The realization of the Creator becomes much more beautiful, much more divine, when one has experienced the illusion of separation.

01:37:08 SPEAKER_001: It's like it's hard to take for be grateful for things you take for granted, and then when you don't have them, it's where you're like, "Wow,

01:37:09 SPEAKER_001: I really miss that," and and then when you have it again, it's like yes, thank you, thank you, Lord.

01:37:09 SPEAKER_001: Unity discovered after separation possesses an experiential depth that abstract knowledge lacks.

01:37:10 SPEAKER_001: A person who has felt isolated and later experiences communion understands unity through contrast.

01:37:10 SPEAKER_001: The return feels profound because the distance felt real.

01:37:10 SPEAKER_001: The veil therefore creates the dramatic and spiritual significance of the awakening.

01:37:11 SPEAKER_001: The body is the interface with creation.

01:37:12 SPEAKER_001: Kuo summarizes the body's role by saying the body is the interface of your mind, body, spirit with the one infinite creation.

01:37:12 SPEAKER_001: An interface connects two dimensions and allows exchange between them.

01:37:13 SPEAKER_001: And I think this is this is really important because when when we think about like well when I think about the Trinity, anyways, so if you are the Christ,

01:37:13 SPEAKER_001: and you know the Holy Spirit is within you, and then everything around you is the Father, the infinite.

01:37:14 SPEAKER_001: Creator, and and so you know, and then but you're all one at the same time.

01:37:15 SPEAKER_001: The body receives the world through sensation.

01:37:15 SPEAKER_001: The mind interprets these experiences.

01:37:15 SPEAKER_001: The spirit draws deeper meaning from them and opens toward intelligent infinity.

01:37:16 SPEAKER_001: The movement always travels outward.

01:37:16 SPEAKER_001: Intention arises within consciousness, becomes embodied action, and affects the surrounding creation.

01:37:16 SPEAKER_001: Without embodiment, the mind and spirit would lack the full vividness. of touch, consequence, relationship, and choice within space and time.

01:37:17 SPEAKER_001: Body, mind, and spirit are one being.

01:37:18 SPEAKER_001: Who will finally question the separation between these three aspects?

01:37:18 SPEAKER_001: The separation of these thought changes the body.

01:37:18 SPEAKER_001: Bodily conditions influence thought.

01:37:19 SPEAKER_001: Spiritual orientation affects both.

01:37:19 SPEAKER_001: Every experience belongs to the whole mind-body-spirit complex, and and this is so true.

01:37:19 SPEAKER_001: You know, once once you get into you know the meditation, and the causes of disease, then you find that yeah, the thought does change the body.

01:37:20 SPEAKER_001: And then you know, once you have a disease, well, your bodily conditions are certainly influencing your thoughts.

01:37:20 SPEAKER_001: And then this spiritual orientation affects both because that if you are on a spiritual path that helps you forgive, love, and be kind to others, then you can be healed more readily, and you know,

01:37:20 SPEAKER_001: bounce back more quickly.

01:37:22 SPEAKER_001: Every experience belongs to the whole mind-body-spirit complex.

01:37:22 SPEAKER_001: Prior to the veil, beings understood these as one singular thing with three aspects.

01:37:22 SPEAKER_001: The body, therefore, shares in the infinity of the mind and the spirit because they are dimensions of one being.

01:37:23 SPEAKER_001: If your mind and your spirit are infinite, then your body can also, or must also, be infinite.

01:37:23 SPEAKER_001: The central teaching: the body is finite in a particular form.

01:37:24 SPEAKER_001: It occupies a location, possesses.

01:37:24 SPEAKER_001: The location possesses limited senses, and passes through birth and death.

01:37:24 SPEAKER_001: The body is infinite in origin, relationship, and participation.

01:37:24 SPEAKER_001: It rises from the same infinity as every star, person, and living being.

01:37:24 SPEAKER_001: Through perception and interaction, it connects the individualized self with the whole creation.

01:37:25 SPEAKER_001: The body, apparent boundary, creates the experience of separation.

01:37:26 SPEAKER_001: The body's deeper connectedness provides the path back to unity.

01:37:26 SPEAKER_001: Cool, therefore, presents.

01:37:26 SPEAKER_001: Who therefore presents embodiment as a sacred paradox?

01:37:27 SPEAKER_001: The body gives us the convincing experience of being a separate part, while also serving as as the instrument through which the part discovers that it has always belonged to the whole.

01:37:28 SPEAKER_001: This is very beautiful.

01:37:28 SPEAKER_001: You know, reminds me of you know Om Mani Padme Hum.

01:37:28 SPEAKER_001: The jewel is in the lotus.

01:37:28 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:37:29 SPEAKER_001: Any any more comments on that from anybody?

01:37:29 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

01:37:30 SPEAKER_001: Is that any?

01:37:31 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

01:37:31 SPEAKER_001: I won't say.

01:37:32 SPEAKER_001: I'll say say hi to air.

01:37:33 SPEAKER_001: Say also say hi to Eric and Adam who joined us.

01:37:33 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I don't know if you guys want to say anything, but otherwise, we will move on to the next one.

01:37:33 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I was just going to say like a couple of things.

01:37:34 SPEAKER_001: Um, one, uh, so the will love and light thing, you know, like I see that as kind of like the will bit being outward energy, you know,

01:37:35 SPEAKER_001: like the vibration. of consciousness spreading out out to infinity, you know, and then the love bit being essentially kind of the the unifying force that pulls everything back together to oneness, you know,

01:37:35 SPEAKER_001: and then the vibration between that outward push and that inward pull then gives you like vibration.

01:37:35 SPEAKER_001: So then, so then that vibration that gives is the the thing that gives you light, right?

01:37:36 SPEAKER_001: Light isn't just particles, is it?

01:37:36 SPEAKER_001: It's waves as well, right?

01:37:36 SPEAKER_001: So, you know, so then that the will of light it completely transfers onto physics perfectly.

01:37:37 SPEAKER_001: But the other thing, you know, like one of the earliest things proposed, I think it was Niels Bohr or someone, like about the early thing about the Big Bang theory, like you know,

01:37:37 SPEAKER_001: was that you know the quantum realm would end up be showing that everything's kind of entangled.

01:37:37 SPEAKER_001: So every single thing that came out of the Big Bang.

01:37:37 SPEAKER_001: It's all connected in some sublayer, so every particle universe is touching every other part of the universe.

01:37:38 SPEAKER_001: It's a membrane in some kind of quantum aspect.

01:37:38 SPEAKER_001: So your body is made of atoms and things, which are connected infinitely to the rest of the universe,

01:37:39 SPEAKER_001: just because of how the vibration makes the the particle. because it's a membrane oscillating over eleven dimensions, or or whatever.

01:37:39 SPEAKER_001: However, infinite dimensions.

01:37:39 SPEAKER_001: But we'll love light to that by a long way.

01:37:40 SPEAKER_001: At least eleven.

01:37:40 SPEAKER_001: Way better system than a membrane of nonsense.

01:37:40 SPEAKER_001: Point is that.

01:37:41 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:37:41 SPEAKER_001: I'm already kidding, man.

01:37:41 SPEAKER_001: I'm already kidding.

01:37:41 SPEAKER_001: But the point is that that that that quantum entangled aspect means that we are in a very real sense connected to everything.

01:37:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and then I also. said about time, you know, and time not really being what we think it is, you know.

01:37:43 SPEAKER_001: So once again, that is loserory, yeah.

01:37:43 SPEAKER_001: There's no such thing as loserory.

01:37:43 SPEAKER_001: It said it said about the whole thing about you can see a star, yeah, and you're connected to that star.

01:37:44 SPEAKER_001: That is direct.

01:37:44 SPEAKER_001: That is directly describing the quantum handshake, you know.

01:37:45 SPEAKER_001: That is the thing that proves there's no time, yeah, because you get you get the the double split experiment.

01:37:45 SPEAKER_001: You you take in photons from. that star.

01:37:45 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, they're fired at the double split, or because they're coming from there.

01:37:46 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, if you're looking at it and the sensors on and whatever else, then you get you get the the electrons arrive.

01:37:46 SPEAKER_001: Sorry, the photons arrive.

01:37:47 SPEAKER_001: If you're not and the sensor isn't doing what it's doing, then you get the waves arrive.

01:37:47 SPEAKER_001: So whether that star pumps out electrons or waves was decided x amount of millions of light years ago when it left the star. but it only would have come as a photon if you're looking

01:37:48 SPEAKER_001: at it.

01:37:48 SPEAKER_001: That's exactly what Rogers describes.

01:37:49 SPEAKER_001: That quote just describes you connect to that star, and there's a very real communication by you viewing it, right?

01:37:49 SPEAKER_001: Observation, universe.

01:37:49 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and we can quantum entangle with our mind as well, even just by knowing or reading about something, and then we can reach through it, through time, space to it.

01:37:49 SPEAKER_001: I agree.

01:37:50 SPEAKER_001: In fact, I'd say that. memory is closer to time travel than it is to neuroscience, because of that exact same thing.

01:37:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:37:52 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:37:52 SPEAKER_001: Well, because it's time space that they mentioned.

01:37:53 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, is that the body is is intrinsically linked.

01:37:53 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, like we said about before.

01:37:53 SPEAKER_001: So the mind body spirit is one unit.

01:37:53 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, but we perceive it as three separate things because of the complex.

01:37:54 SPEAKER_001: Right.

01:37:55 SPEAKER_001: Whereas yeah.

01:37:55 SPEAKER_001: So I I view that based.

01:37:55 SPEAKER_001: So I I view that basically is what them talking about is like the morphogenic field, yeah is like the the the the what do they what is rather describe it as the form maker body,

01:37:55 SPEAKER_001: yeah that is the thing that is connected to spirit and mind, yeah that then your body all of the atoms and the cells they form themselves around that template, right?

01:37:57 SPEAKER_001: We can prove that science can prove that.

01:37:57 SPEAKER_001: Go and look at like Michael Levin's work.

01:37:57 SPEAKER_001: You can see that the body forms around a template. yeah, it grows around the spirit.

01:37:57 SPEAKER_001: It grows around the form-maker body.

01:37:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:37:58 SPEAKER_001: So who's to say that that template isn't a vital part of what you are?

01:37:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, no, it is for sure.

01:37:59 SPEAKER_001: Template everywhere in the universe, wherever you go, at every point in time in the universe.

01:37:59 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's just like people look like themselves across incarnations.

01:38:01 SPEAKER_001: You know, even if they're a different race, you still see the resemblance.

01:38:01 SPEAKER_001: It's very interesting that way.

01:38:01 SPEAKER_001: So here, let let's move on.

01:38:02 SPEAKER_001: I think the the next one is kind of related to what we were talking about.

01:38:03 SPEAKER_001: Yes, cool.

01:38:03 SPEAKER_001: From what we have learned about the Law of One,

01:38:03 SPEAKER_001: it would appear that every one of the eight billion plus third density entities incarnated on this planetary sphere are their own hero in their own hero's journey,

01:38:04 SPEAKER_001: their own main character in their movie or TV show.

01:38:04 SPEAKER_001: It's mind boggling to think of every one of the eight billion plus souls incarnated here as having a custom made and As having a custom-made incarnational experience designed and manifested just for them,

01:38:05 SPEAKER_001: and that somehow all of our individually tailored incarnations are harmoniously melded together for a collective experience.

01:38:06 SPEAKER_001: Any thoughts or reflections you can share on this, in general, and as it pertains to graduation or harvest, Mercedes?

01:38:06 SPEAKER_001: We are those of Q'uo, and we are aware and appreciative of this query, my brother.

01:38:06 SPEAKER_001: Indeed, it is quite as you say. mind-boggling that there could be so many souls on this planet at this time.

01:38:06 SPEAKER_001: They are seemingly having immensely unique experiences that somehow fit like pieces of a puzzle, or that overlap and intertwine in ways that seem mysterious yet beautiful and perfect.

01:38:06 SPEAKER_001: But my friend, that is the reality, as you may call it.

01:38:07 SPEAKER_001: The Creator and the Creator's wish to experience itself set up quite the master plan, quite the impressive experiment.

01:38:07 SPEAKER_001: Each one of you on this planet, each of the eight billion plus souls, has a unique journey.

01:38:07 SPEAKER_001: The lessons may be the same between fellow seekers.

01:38:08 SPEAKER_001: The experiences may seem similar.

01:38:08 SPEAKER_001: The step along the path may seem familiar, and perhaps even the environment is recognizable.

01:38:08 SPEAKER_001: However, each step, each environment, each lesson has to has to it has to it a degree of uniqueness, an an infinitely precise and perfect crystal of the creation, an unexplored avenue.

01:38:08 SPEAKER_001: For each moment, and each decision, and each action. and each feeling, were so uniquely designed, were so perfectly aligned to create the catalyst of your experience.

01:38:09 SPEAKER_001: We are those who call and would pause to allow this instrument to become slightly more comfortable.

01:38:09 SPEAKER_001: My friends, the path that you walk upon, that which you may be awakened to and seeking, and that which those upon your planet may be experiencing in a sleep-like state, is perfectly entwined and melded.

01:38:09 SPEAKER_001: As the question asker stated, consider it like a tapestry.

01:38:11 SPEAKER_001: Each of you bearing a. thread, not simply a thread of the identity of the question asker, but also threads of the souls that span incarnations past and present and future, as you may see it,

01:38:11 SPEAKER_001: in your so-called time.

01:38:11 SPEAKER_001: Those individuated threads may overlap, may tie knots with one another, with with another, may bump, into, may fray.

01:38:12 SPEAKER_001: However, they remain unique and solid and solitary in their expression.

01:38:12 SPEAKER_001: They may change colors.

01:38:13 SPEAKER_001: They may move from one side of the tapestry to another.

01:38:13 SPEAKER_001: They may take a new course, but they all end up and move in the same direction, which is towards the one.

01:38:14 SPEAKER_001: And in that way, there is much there is much balance to be found.

01:38:15 SPEAKER_001: There is much perfection to be found.

01:38:15 SPEAKER_001: My friends, we are getting the idea from this instrument about the movie called The Truman Show.

01:38:15 SPEAKER_001: This idea that you are the main character in a play, that the set is designed and the plans are all in place to get you to move and act in some way.

01:38:16 SPEAKER_001: And in some senses, this is a great experiment.

01:38:16 SPEAKER_001: There is a stage. that is set, but the universe and the creator are much loving presence.

01:38:17 SPEAKER_001: They are much more supportive and simply want to witness and not interfere.

01:38:17 SPEAKER_001: Simply want to support and seek growth on an organic level.

01:38:17 SPEAKER_001: My friends, it's so amazing that you embark upon this journey.

01:38:18 SPEAKER_001: That we all have embarked upon this journey, and what a privilege it is to learn, to experience, for the creator to have these unique experiences that are purely our own.

01:38:19 SPEAKER_001: That again may have flavors of similarity, but are ever so fascinating.

01:38:19 SPEAKER_001: But our ever so faceted ways that we and you cannot understand in this incarnation, in this density, in many lifetimes.

01:38:19 SPEAKER_001: Yes, there are many opportunities for a seeker, or one who is not actively, knowingly seeking, to make decisions that alter their path.

01:38:20 SPEAKER_001: Perhaps you have witnessed that in your own life, in your own incarn in your own incarnation.

01:38:20 SPEAKER_001: If I had made a different decision, my life would be different.

01:38:21 SPEAKER_001: I might not have met this person, or I might have met this person.

01:38:21 SPEAKER_001: I might not have landed that job.

01:38:21 SPEAKER_001: I might be in a Into that job, I might be in a different country.

01:38:21 SPEAKER_001: I might not be here at this time.

01:38:21 SPEAKER_001: I might live another 20 years because of this decision.

01:38:22 SPEAKER_001: All, all of these are perfectly intentionally designed to provide lessons, to provide opportunities for you to consider, consider, to awaken you further, to deepen your seeking, and not only that,

01:38:23 SPEAKER_001: to open your heart to see self and other selves as creator.

01:38:23 SPEAKER_001: And in so doing, the tapestry furthers along its way.

01:38:23 SPEAKER_001: Those knots become more beautiful in your weavings, like a loom of experience. like a loom of life intersecting and becoming one with other threads,

01:38:24 SPEAKER_001: it is truly a gift that you walk among eight billion other selves simply at this time, as you may see it, but also in the in this but also in the past.

01:38:24 SPEAKER_001: But this tapestry goes back further, goes back far further than your mind can comprehend, and yet it is as it is.

01:38:24 SPEAKER_001: It simply exists.

01:38:25 SPEAKER_001: You simply are this main character, that is the creator.

01:38:25 SPEAKER_001: Each decision being made by the creator. each consequence being felt.

01:38:25 SPEAKER_001: It is purely divine.

01:38:26 SPEAKER_001: We state all this not to give a sense that we might that of what we might see as perhaps enlightened status, if you will.

01:38:26 SPEAKER_001: For you will fumble.

01:38:26 SPEAKER_001: You will you will have opportunities of painful catalyst.

01:38:26 SPEAKER_001: You will have chances and experiences that create discomfort.

01:38:28 SPEAKER_001: You will find yourself entangled, and that is okay.

01:38:28 SPEAKER_001: That is part of the divinity.

01:38:28 SPEAKER_001: It still moves forward.

01:38:29 SPEAKER_001: You still find your path, even if it may not seem as. much or seem as as though, even when it is dark and there is no light before you,

01:38:29 SPEAKER_001: trust that the trust that that light will come to you if you simply have faith that the twine of the tapestry is before you, that it moves towards one.

01:38:30 SPEAKER_001: In that sense, you are main characters of an immense, infinite play, infinite movie, infinite opera.

01:38:30 SPEAKER_001: So see yourselves as co-creators of this in this experience.

01:38:31 SPEAKER_001: Find ways to foster an open heart, an unconditional love for your co-main. characters, find appreciation for the environment, for the stage which you dance upon, and when you do so,

01:38:31 SPEAKER_001: when you feel that genuine love and appreciation, that sense of being held and cherished and supported, that desire to be of service in that way to others on the stage,

01:38:31 SPEAKER_001: it will begin to feel more like that, like, like that perfectly destiny, that that perfected destiny.

01:38:31 SPEAKER_001: It will begin to feel more like like that the perfected destiny that you hold within you, that is your truth and the identity of your singular. self in this eight billion plus world,

01:38:32 SPEAKER_001: will melt away, and you see yourself as not only the identity of your self of self, but the identity of other self,

01:38:32 SPEAKER_001: of your planet, of your cosmos, of your universe, and of creator.

01:38:32 SPEAKER_001: You are all divine.

01:38:32 SPEAKER_001: You are all co-creators, not only co-creators but creators.

01:38:33 SPEAKER_001: We appreciate your hero's journey that you've taken up, and we hope that as you walk that journey, as you encounter hardship.

01:38:34 SPEAKER_001: Journey as you encounter hardships, as you witness joyful moments that you always have within you, your ability to practice your will and your faith, knowing that all will be well.

01:38:34 SPEAKER_001: But this moment is simply a word in a long, never-ending novel, pregnant with opportunity, full of meaning, always leading to the next step.

01:38:34 SPEAKER_001: My friends, we thank you for this opportunity to sit among you, to be a punctuation, to be an adjective, adjective or a verb in this moment in this great long novel.

01:38:35 SPEAKER_001: The Creator rejoices for this continued.

01:38:35 SPEAKER_001: We are those of Q'uo, and we shall take leave of this instrument at this time and transfer the contact to the one known as Gary.

01:38:35 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:38:36 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:38:37 SPEAKER_001: That was pretty beautiful.

01:38:37 SPEAKER_001: What do you think?

01:38:37 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that was fucking lovely.

01:38:38 SPEAKER_001: That was really, really.

01:38:39 SPEAKER_001: That went there.

01:38:40 SPEAKER_001: Poetic.

01:38:40 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

01:38:41 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

01:38:41 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:38:41 SPEAKER_001: Now for the.

01:38:42 SPEAKER_001: Now for this one, oops!

01:38:42 SPEAKER_001: Hold on, I forgot to do the text.

01:38:42 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so yes, we're all in a movie, and we have to love it and be kind to our co-main stars.

01:38:42 SPEAKER_001: I like that one.

01:38:43 SPEAKER_001: Eight billion unique journeys in one creation.

01:38:44 SPEAKER_001: Cool presents humanity as a paradox.

01:38:44 SPEAKER_001: Every soul. lives an entirely unique journey.

01:38:44 SPEAKER_001: Yet every journey interweaves with others as part of one unified creation.

01:38:44 SPEAKER_001: Each person is the central character within their own experience.

01:38:44 SPEAKER_001: At the same time, each person is a supporting character, teacher, catalyst, and fellow creator within the experience of others.

01:38:45 SPEAKER_001: Every soul explores a unique possibility.

01:38:46 SPEAKER_001: Kulo says each of you on this planet, each of the eight billion plus souls, has a unique journey.

01:38:46 SPEAKER_001: Many people encounter. similar lessons.

01:38:46 SPEAKER_001: Billions experience family, friendship, work, illness, conflict, love, loss, and death.

01:38:47 SPEAKER_001: Yet no two people experience these things through exactly the same consciousness.

01:38:47 SPEAKER_001: Each person brings distinct combination of previous experience, temperament, and abilities, relationships, and circumstances, desires, fears, and tensions, choices made at every stage of life.

01:38:47 SPEAKER_001: Kuhl describes each journey as an infinitely precise and perfect crystal of the creation and unexplored avenue.

01:38:48 SPEAKER_001: An unexplored avenue.

01:38:48 SPEAKER_001: A crystal reflects light according to its particular structure.

01:38:48 SPEAKER_001: In the same way, each person reflects the Creator through a perspective that has never appeared in precisely the same form before.

01:38:48 SPEAKER_001: Even when two people face the same event, each creates a different experience through their interpretation, emotion, and response.

01:38:49 SPEAKER_001: Every consciousness, therefore, opens a new avenue through which the Creator can experience itself.

01:38:49 SPEAKER_001: Life contains design and freedom together.

01:38:49 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says, that each moment and each decision and each action and each feeling are so uniquely designed.

01:38:50 SPEAKER_001: This can initially sound as though every event and response has already been determined.

01:38:50 SPEAKER_001: The wider teaching describes something subtler.

01:38:50 SPEAKER_001: The incarnation provides a structured field of possibilities.

01:38:51 SPEAKER_001: Certain relationships, abilities, limitations, and major lessons may be prepared before birth.

01:38:51 SPEAKER_001: Within that field, free will determines how. the person responds.

01:38:51 SPEAKER_001: A life may therefore contain both a meaningful pattern of catalyst, genuine freedom in meeting that catalyst.

01:38:52 SPEAKER_001: The circumstances present an invitation.

01:38:52 SPEAKER_001: The person authors the response.

01:38:52 SPEAKER_001: A difficult relationship may offer lessons in forgiveness, boundaries, patience, or self-respect.

01:38:53 SPEAKER_001: The lesson remains available through many possible choices.

01:38:53 SPEAKER_001: The creator supports exploration rather than forcing one predetermined answer. humanity forms a living tapestry.

01:38:53 SPEAKER_001: Kuh offers the central image of the passage.

01:38:54 SPEAKER_001: Consider it like a tapestry; each of you bearing a thread.

01:38:54 SPEAKER_001: A single thread has its own color, texture, and path.

01:38:54 SPEAKER_001: Its full meaning becomes visible through its relationship with every other thread.

01:38:56 SPEAKER_001: Likewise, an individual life can only unfold through relationship.

01:38:56 SPEAKER_001: Parents, children, strangers, friends, adversaries, and entire societies shape the situation through which each person grows.

01:38:56 SPEAKER_001: Kuh says.

01:38:56 SPEAKER_001: Cool says the threads may overlap, may tie knots with another, may bump into, may fray.

01:38:57 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, go ahead.

01:38:58 SPEAKER_001: And I was just going to say, like, you know, like if if if we're if if human civilization is a tapestry and each one of us is a thread,

01:38:58 SPEAKER_001: and and the path we've led is the is the the pattern that that one thread makes throughout the whole tapestry.

01:38:59 SPEAKER_001: I wonder what it would look like.

01:38:59 SPEAKER_001: What do you think it'd be a picture of?

01:39:00 SPEAKER_001: Oh. well, I I know there is a very well documented tapestry of life, and you know is documented both in Michael Newton's work and in Dolores Cannon's work.

01:39:00 SPEAKER_001: So you can actually go to the interplanes and look at the tapestry of life.

01:39:00 SPEAKER_001: I mean, you know, through meditation or remote viewing, and that many.

01:39:00 SPEAKER_001: People who say are artists actually do that.

01:39:00 SPEAKER_001: They they go there for inspiration on different ways that life interweaves.

01:39:01 SPEAKER_001: And honestly, like sometimes you know, I am.

01:39:01 SPEAKER_001: You know how sometimes you might go somewhere and then meet someone that you know from somewhere else, and you're like, that's a small world.

01:39:01 SPEAKER_001: But it's really what happened was that like your threads were just like. co-occurring, you know, and then like your your threads cross, and and then you see that same person,

01:39:02 SPEAKER_001: you you know what I mean, and it's like your threads are moving through, and so like your family or the people who are you're close to, it's kind of like you're whirling around each other,

01:39:02 SPEAKER_001: um, and it's just so, so so there's many of these kind of relationships and ways of being, and it is a real phenomenon.

01:39:02 SPEAKER_001: There is. a tapestry of life that is, you know, spinning as we speak, based on our decisions, and also the, you know, creator, infinite creator, putting it all together.

01:39:03 SPEAKER_001: So, so something I was gonna, I was gonna say this.

01:39:04 SPEAKER_001: So they, like, realistically, what they're describing is like synchronicity on just a mass scale, and every single one of us, the choices that we make, are gonna lead us to. these, this overlap,

01:39:04 SPEAKER_001: this synchronistic event, this thing, this thing.

01:39:04 SPEAKER_001: That's why I think that you get more synchronicity when you're on your path, as it were, because when you're walking it the way that it's supposed to, you know,

01:39:04 SPEAKER_001: the way that's that's best for you, then then things happen.

01:39:04 SPEAKER_001: You you you catch more of those events.

01:39:06 SPEAKER_001: You know what I mean?

01:39:07 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:39:07 SPEAKER_001: Because that's what you're doing.

01:39:08 SPEAKER_001: And the other side of that is, you know, the idea that there's no such thing as coincidence.

01:39:08 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:39:09 SPEAKER_001: You know, right?

01:39:09 SPEAKER_001: If something like that happens, something coincidental or whatever, that is because that you need that.

01:39:09 SPEAKER_001: You know, that's a major thing for you.

01:39:09 SPEAKER_001: Pay attention when that happens.

01:39:10 SPEAKER_001: You know, yeah, that's that's how I suppose you work out your your bit of the tapestry.

01:39:11 SPEAKER_001: You know, yes, yeah, and that that has a lot to do with it.

01:39:11 SPEAKER_001: Like those seeming coincidences are often, you know, interweavings of the tapestry, and you know, when something is weird. you know where the word weird comes from.

01:39:12 SPEAKER_001: It comes from the Weird Sisters, or and oh yes, does I love this.

01:39:12 SPEAKER_001: This is one of my favorites.

01:39:12 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and so yeah, yes.

01:39:13 SPEAKER_001: So the three Norns, and they were responsible for the tapestry of life.

01:39:14 SPEAKER_001: One was the past and was taking them apart, and then one was the present, who was weaving them together, and one was the future.

01:39:14 SPEAKER_001: I don't know, getting the threads or something.

01:39:14 SPEAKER_001: I'm not sure exactly.

01:39:15 SPEAKER_001: But anyways, but but that's when something is weird.

01:39:15 SPEAKER_001: That that means that you don't understand how that fits the pattern.

01:39:16 SPEAKER_001: Hundred percent.

01:39:16 SPEAKER_001: In fact, that's actually the same root word where we get the word "weave" from.

01:39:17 SPEAKER_001: We actually come from.

01:39:17 SPEAKER_001: It comes from "weird."

01:39:18 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:39:18 SPEAKER_001: Also, also the the the idea that you know the the three paths intersecting in all directions. yeah.

01:39:19 SPEAKER_001: It also kind of implies that time isn't what we think it is.

01:39:20 SPEAKER_001: You know, all three of them crossing, and that is that's the face.

01:39:20 SPEAKER_001: You don't know what's coming in the future.

01:39:21 SPEAKER_001: You don't know what interactions in the past is going to lead to it.

01:39:21 SPEAKER_001: You know, but you're in that web.

01:39:21 SPEAKER_001: You know, you know that all of the runes fit onto that pattern as well.

01:39:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I'm I'm sure there's there's a lot of interesting designs on the tapestry of life.

01:39:22 SPEAKER_001: You know, well, that the word Nordic.

01:39:22 SPEAKER_001: So.

01:39:22 SPEAKER_001: I was I was assumed that that came from them being from the north.

01:39:24 SPEAKER_001: But no, it doesn't mean the people of the Nord, as in the people of the Fates, the people of the the three sisters.

01:39:24 SPEAKER_001: Really, wow, that's cool.

01:39:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:39:25 SPEAKER_001: So a single thread has its own color, texture, and path.

01:39:25 SPEAKER_001: Its full meaning becomes visible through its relationship with every other thread.

01:39:25 SPEAKER_001: Likewise, an individual life can only unfold through relationship.

01:39:26 SPEAKER_001: Parents, children.

01:39:27 SPEAKER_001: Relationships—parents, children, strangers, friends, adversaries—and entire societies shape the situation through which each person grows.

01:39:27 SPEAKER_001: Kuhn says the threads may overlap, may tie knots with one another, may bump into, may fray.

01:39:27 SPEAKER_001: Some relationships flow harmoniously; others become tangled, painful, or strained.

01:39:28 SPEAKER_001: Each interaction becomes part of the larger design.

01:39:28 SPEAKER_001: The tapestry metaphor preserves both individuality and unity.

01:39:28 SPEAKER_001: A thread remains distinct in its expression while participating. in a picture larger than itself, our threads extend beyond one lifetime.

01:39:29 SPEAKER_001: Kuh describes each person as carrying threads of the soul that span incarnations, past, present, and future.

01:39:29 SPEAKER_001: Within this metaphysical view, the present personality represents one chapter of a much longer journey.

01:39:29 SPEAKER_001: Certain attractions, fears, talents, and relationships may arise from patterns extending across incarnations.

01:39:30 SPEAKER_001: Souls may repeatedly meet one another in a different role.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_001: creating new opportunities to balance and deepen their relationships.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_001: The current life, therefore, participates in a tapestry that extends beyond ordinary memory.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_001: We see only a small portion of the design from inside incarnation.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_001: The limited viewpoint explains why some experiences seem random or unfinished.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_001: Their meaning may belong to a pattern wider than the present personality can perceive.

01:39:32 SPEAKER_001: Every path ultimately moves toward the One. the individual threads may change direction, become tangled, or take long detours.

01:39:32 SPEAKER_001: Yet Kuo says they all end and move in the same direction, which is towards the one.

01:39:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's true.

01:39:33 SPEAKER_001: You know, like when I, you know, look at the tapestry of life, all the threads are going up.

01:39:33 SPEAKER_001: You know, that that that's just how it is, and at the same time, kind of thing.

01:39:33 SPEAKER_001: Sometimes they're going side to side, but. you know you're always moving forward.

01:39:33 SPEAKER_001: You know, and it's kind of like the tapestry is is moving.

01:39:34 SPEAKER_001: It's like being created, and then I guess it's kind of like going down.

01:39:34 SPEAKER_001: But you know, the threads are going up.

01:39:34 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's like we said earlier, right?

01:39:35 SPEAKER_001: You know, the the will is the thing that pushes all those threads, all those individual waves of consciousness of choice outwards.

01:39:35 SPEAKER_001: But then the of is the thing that brings them all back together to weave them all together back into one thing again.

01:39:35 SPEAKER_001: You know, and can you imagine, like a tapestry of eight billion threads?

01:39:35 SPEAKER_001: That's a lot of threads.

01:39:36 SPEAKER_001: And then plus you've also got like the tapestries of the pets, you know, because they're they're often third density as well.

01:39:36 SPEAKER_001: So it gets trees.

01:39:37 SPEAKER_001: Don't trees, dude?

01:39:37 SPEAKER_001: It's gonna be a lot of trees, but I suppose they're not really have that much of a moving pattern.

01:39:37 SPEAKER_001: They'll just be like like a dot.

01:39:38 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:39:41 SPEAKER_001: Well, trees.

01:39:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you know, so some trees might be something.

01:39:41 SPEAKER_001: I'm not sure how.

01:39:42 SPEAKER_001: Be uh something.

01:39:43 SPEAKER_001: I'm not sure how trees are represented, to be honest.

01:39:43 SPEAKER_001: But I think they gain.

01:39:43 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of like I think it has to do with the thickness of the thread.

01:39:43 SPEAKER_001: The thicker the thread, the more kind of consciousness it has.

01:39:44 SPEAKER_001: And so it's like if you have like a tree, and as you form more of a relationship with it, its thread gets thicker.

01:39:45 SPEAKER_001: You know, its awareness of itself.

01:39:46 SPEAKER_001: The trees are densey, dude.

01:39:46 SPEAKER_001: Like I, I've, I've had conversations with quite. a few now.

01:39:46 SPEAKER_001: Confidently, I can say that they—they each have their own personality.

01:39:47 SPEAKER_001: They are each just as kind of like us, but it's just the way they live.

01:39:48 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, smaller plants.

01:39:48 SPEAKER_001: It's like they're—they're animals, if that makes sense.

01:39:52 SPEAKER_001: You can't really.

01:39:52 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, they're—they're—they're a tree.

01:39:53 SPEAKER_001: Is a—is the—is the same as us.

01:39:53 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because a big tree has had so many experiences, it's developed into a thicker thread.

01:39:53 SPEAKER_001: One—one that's.

01:39:54 SPEAKER_001: One, one that's enough, big enough to to talk to.

01:39:54 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:39:54 SPEAKER_001: Every path ultimately moves toward the one.

01:39:55 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:39:55 SPEAKER_001: Each soul eventually returns to the conscious unity with the Creator.

01:39:56 SPEAKER_001: The roots and the timing vary immensely.

01:39:56 SPEAKER_001: This gives the journey both freedom and an ultimate orientation.

01:39:56 SPEAKER_001: A person may explore love, control, confusion, service, isolation, or communion.

01:39:57 SPEAKER_001: Oh, exploring.

01:39:57 SPEAKER_001: Okay, each exploration eventually contributes to the recognition that all beings share one source and one identity.

01:39:58 SPEAKER_001: The final destination gives meaning to every stage without requiring each stage to appear pleasant or orderly from the human perspective.

01:39:58 SPEAKER_001: I was thinking about like people that travel, you know, around the world.

01:39:58 SPEAKER_001: You know, they're kind of like blending the tapestry together.

01:39:59 SPEAKER_001: You know, like they're like a like a cross weave.

01:39:59 SPEAKER_001: You know, if they go from one. place to another and they're interacting with all these people, like even just like the other person sees them, you know, that's still like you've crossed paths.

01:40:00 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's really quite a fascinating thing.

01:40:00 SPEAKER_001: There's so much to it.

01:40:00 SPEAKER_001: You are the main character, yet the universe respects free will.

01:40:01 SPEAKER_001: Who compares incarnation with the Truman Show?

01:40:01 SPEAKER_001: You are the main character in a play, and the set is designed.

01:40:02 SPEAKER_001: Each person experiences reality from the center of their own consciousness.

01:40:02 SPEAKER_001: Your life naturally. appears as a story organized around your decisions, relationships, and lessons.

01:40:02 SPEAKER_001: Kua then qualifies the comparison.

01:40:03 SPEAKER_001: The universe and the creator are a much loving presence.

01:40:04 SPEAKER_001: The creator establishes the stage and supports growth while allowing each being to choose organically.

01:40:04 SPEAKER_001: The world exists for your learning, while it also exists for the learning of everyone else.

01:40:04 SPEAKER_001: Every person is simultaneously the main character of their own story.

01:40:04 SPEAKER_001: This understanding. replaces spiritual self-importance with mutual reverence.

01:40:05 SPEAKER_001: The stranger beside you carries a journey as deep, intricate, and meaningful as your own.

01:40:05 SPEAKER_001: Small decisions reshape the path.

01:40:06 SPEAKER_001: Who reflects upon the many turning points within a life?

01:40:06 SPEAKER_001: If I had made a different decision, my life would be different.

01:40:06 SPEAKER_001: Conversation, journey, relationships, a moment of courage can redirect decades of experience.

01:40:07 SPEAKER_001: One choice may determine who we meet, where.

01:40:07 SPEAKER_001: Determine whom we meet, where we live, and what work we perform, or which lessons become available.

01:40:07 SPEAKER_001: These branching possibilities reveal the creative power of free will.

01:40:07 SPEAKER_001: The path may be a deeper pattern, yet its expression unfolds through actual decisions.

01:40:08 SPEAKER_001: Each choice rearranges future possibilities and changes the relationship among many friends.

01:40:09 SPEAKER_001: Our freedoms therefore carry both dignity and responsibility.

01:40:09 SPEAKER_001: A choice affects the self while also entering the journeys. of everyone touched by it.

01:40:09 SPEAKER_001: Other people are part of our awakening.

01:40:10 SPEAKER_001: Kuo says that our experiences offer opportunities to open your heart to see self and other self as creator.

01:40:10 SPEAKER_001: Relationships become spiritually valuable because they bring hidden parts of ourselves into awareness.

01:40:10 SPEAKER_001: Another person may awaken love, jealousy, fear, patience, generosity, or anger.

01:40:11 SPEAKER_001: Each response reveals something within the self that can be accepted. balanced, and transformed.

01:40:11 SPEAKER_001: Seeing another as the creator means recognizing sacred worth beneath personality and behavior.

01:40:11 SPEAKER_001: It also means recognizing that the interaction itself belongs to the creator's experience.

01:40:12 SPEAKER_001: Our lives awaken through one another.

01:40:12 SPEAKER_001: Every thread contributes something to the movement of the whole tapestry.

01:40:13 SPEAKER_001: Pain and confusion remain part of the divine journey.

01:40:13 SPEAKER_001: You will fumble.

01:40:13 SPEAKER_001: Spiritual purpose gives life meaning. while leaving room for mistakes, grief, and painful catalyst.

01:40:14 SPEAKER_001: A tangled thread still belongs to the tapestry.

01:40:14 SPEAKER_001: A period of confusion still forms part of the journey.

01:40:14 SPEAKER_001: A choice that creates suffering may eventually produce humility, compassion, and wisdom.

01:40:15 SPEAKER_001: Who encourages faith during such periods, even when it is dark and there is no light before you?

01:40:15 SPEAKER_001: Trust that the light will come to you.

01:40:15 SPEAKER_001: Faith here means trusting the deeper movement of the journey when its immediate meaning remains hidden.

01:40:15 SPEAKER_001: The person may. feel lost within one scene, while the larger story continues unfolding.

01:40:17 SPEAKER_001: Spiritual growth often becomes visible only after enough distance has developed to recognize the pattern.

01:40:18 SPEAKER_001: We are co-creators within this story.

01:40:18 SPEAKER_001: Okay, go ahead.

01:40:18 SPEAKER_001: Go ahead.

01:40:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so I heard this really cool word earlier.

01:40:19 SPEAKER_001: Earlier, that kind of just I think it applies perfectly, and the term is is a Latin term that's and more. ati, what it means is the love of fate.

01:40:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay, and the idea being that is when you just accept that everything's always perfect, and whatever you go through, no matter how bad or whatever it is, you're going through it for a reason,

01:40:20 SPEAKER_001: and your love, love the process.

01:40:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:40:21 SPEAKER_001: You, you will, you will.

01:40:25 SPEAKER_001: There's a reason that you're going through whatever you're going through.

01:40:25 SPEAKER_001: Trust it.

01:40:25 SPEAKER_001: You know, so.

01:40:26 SPEAKER_001: Um, so, love the fight.

01:40:26 SPEAKER_001: A more fatty, a more fatty.

01:40:26 SPEAKER_001: Hey, I see.

01:40:26 SPEAKER_001: Okay, cool.

01:40:27 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you know, I love you know gratitude.

01:40:27 SPEAKER_001: I love the creator, um, and I I put my faith in the creator's will.

01:40:27 SPEAKER_001: Um, for me and and the whole creation, and align myself to be of service every day. we receive a stage, a body, a historical moment, and a network of relationships.

01:40:28 SPEAKER_001: Through our choices, we participate in writing what happens next.

01:40:29 SPEAKER_001: We therefore serve as both characters and creators.

01:40:29 SPEAKER_001: Our attitudes and actions influence the atmosphere around us.

01:40:29 SPEAKER_001: Compassion creates possibility that cruelty closes.

01:40:30 SPEAKER_001: Courage opens paths that fear leaves unexplored.

01:40:30 SPEAKER_001: Honest communication changes the stories available to everyone involved.

01:40:30 SPEAKER_001: Co-creation means the reality merges.

01:40:31 SPEAKER_001: Means the reality emerges through meeting of the divine possibility and individual choice.

01:40:31 SPEAKER_001: Love reveals the deeper identity of every character.

01:40:32 SPEAKER_001: Love encourages unconditional love for your co-main characters.

01:40:32 SPEAKER_001: When we recognize that everyone is living a central and sacred journey, other people become more than background figures in our personal story.

01:40:32 SPEAKER_001: Each person carries fears, hopes, wounds, and choices largely invisible to us.

01:40:33 SPEAKER_001: Each offers the creator a singular form of experience.

01:40:33 SPEAKER_001: Love. allows us to honor their journey, while remaining faithful to our own.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_001: This love may express itself through companionship, patience, service, truthful boundaries, and forgiveness.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_001: And as recognition deepens, Kuo says, the identity of your singular self in this eight billion plus world will melt away.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_001: The personality continues to exist, yet its sense of isolation softens.

01:40:36 SPEAKER_001: The seeker begins to experience identity as extending through other people. the planet, and the wider cosmos, you are both a unique self and the creator.

01:40:36 SPEAKER_001: You are all co-creators, not only co-creators but creators.

01:40:36 SPEAKER_001: The individual person is a particular expression of the creator.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_001: Every decision is therefore the creator exploring possibility through that person's unique perspective.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_001: This preserves two levels of identity.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_001: You are distinct soul with a unique journey.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_001: You are the one creator, appearing through that journey.

01:40:38 SPEAKER_001: The purpose of the path is neither to race in.

01:40:39 SPEAKER_001: The path is neither to erase individuality nor to remain confined within it.

01:40:40 SPEAKER_001: The individual becomes a conscious instrument through which unity of creation can express itself.

01:40:41 SPEAKER_001: Central teaching: every life is a unique hero's journey.

01:40:42 SPEAKER_001: Yet no journey exists in isolation.

01:40:42 SPEAKER_001: Each soul moves through a personally meaningful field of choices while contributing to the paths of countless others.

01:40:42 SPEAKER_001: The Creator experiences every perspective, decision, relationship, and consequence through us.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: Our lives become threads. within one immeasurable tapestry.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: The spiritual task is to walk our own path faithfully, honor the sacred journeys of our fellow characters, and trust that even tangled threads continue moving toward unity.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: You are the main character in your experience, a co-creator in the experience of others, and the one creator gradually recognizing itself through the whole story.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: All right, guys.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: So we're past nine o'clock.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: Any final remarks?

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: or questions before we close?

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: I just say thanks, Andre.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: Always love this.

01:40:46 SPEAKER_001: You're awesome, man.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Thanks, thanks, and thank you all for joining.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: You're all in essential aspects and our YouTube viewer as well.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Thank you as well.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: And thanks to Mercedes for reading.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: That was awesome.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Yes, thank you, Mercedes.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: I greatly appreciate it.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you're most cool.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: And Eric for your the energy.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: For your the energies that you brought here, Adam as well, while he was here.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: So, as we found you, we leave you in that infinite love, and infinite light of the infinite Creator within you and all around you.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in that infinite power and infinite peace, my friends.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Adonai, Roso Baragos.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: Very good.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:40:48 SPEAKER_001: Thank.