Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — July 3, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: Head of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:02 speaker_unknown: I am Andres Vorigan.

00:00:34 speaker_unknown: Joined here today with Ed, Bill, and Fred, and we will be reading the May ninth, twenty twenty six channeling on channeling groups, personal ET contact, overwhelm, overcoming overwhelming physical pain,

00:00:58 speaker_unknown: and UFO disclosure through a spiritual lens.

00:01:07 speaker_unknown: Okay, so, and I guess the food that the space pirates are referring to is fear and terror.

00:01:18 speaker_unknown: Right, and that, and it's neutralized through gratitude, and love.

00:01:28 speaker_unknown: Thank you, Q'uo.

00:01:37 speaker_unknown: Some of us are also interested in developing an in-person conscious verbal channeling group to channel our inner guides.

00:01:57 speaker_unknown: For the session process, we're thinking of first clearing the space, establishing protection, doing a guided meditation to enter into positive meditative state, and then welcoming our guides to blend with us.

00:02:09 speaker_unknown: How do we know when to start channeling?

00:02:13 SPEAKER_003: Can you comment on any of this?

00:02:24 SPEAKER_003: Overall, do you have any suggestions as to how we can go about verbally channeling our inner guides in a group of three or more.

00:02:34 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

00:02:40 SPEAKER_003: I am Q'uo, and we thank you for your query, my brother.

00:02:47 SPEAKER_003: This is an important question.

00:03:02 SPEAKER_003: We feel that you have a firm foundation built already in working with your guides, for they are a portion of your being that exists upon what you may call the interplanes of planet Earth.

00:03:20 SPEAKER_003: As you are setting your intention as a group of three or more to channel these guides,

00:03:39 SPEAKER_003: we believe that the best way to be sure that you are channeling your guides is to ask them a question that is a part of your being,

00:04:00 SPEAKER_003: that is the most spiritually oriented part of your being, that kind of quality of your being that is so important to you that you not only live by its qualities, but if it were necessary,

00:04:30 SPEAKER_003: you would give your life for those qualities.

00:04:42 SPEAKER_003: And if they can meet that challenge, then feel free to speak whatever words, thoughts, or concepts come to you freely.

00:04:53 SPEAKER_003: Speak them without thinking about them.

00:05:01 SPEAKER_004: Let them flow through you, and keep doing that until you do not feel or sense any further thoughts.

00:05:18 SPEAKER_004: It would be well, of course, if you have a recording device, such as being used today in this home, so that you can translate, transcribe the material you go in from your guides,

00:05:41 SPEAKER_004: and see how it feels to you.

00:05:45 SPEAKER_002: And then keep this process going.

00:05:56 SPEAKER_002: It is also a good idea that before you have your channeling sessions, which you hold in the same place each time,

00:06:13 SPEAKER_004: if you provide a kind of purification of the place and a protection of the place that you can do by various rituals, such as the banishing ritual of the Lesser Pentagram,

00:06:41 SPEAKER_004: or if you have any kind of ritual that you set your intention to use it as a means of providing a wall of light that does not allow any darkness in it, within it,

00:07:07 SPEAKER_002: then this prepares the place much like the tuning that you would do before such a channeling.

00:07:21 SPEAKER_002: Oh, and there is another query.

00:07:34 SPEAKER_002: Oh, okay.

00:07:43 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:07:48 SPEAKER_002: When do we know to start speaking?

00:07:54 SPEAKER_002: I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of your query, my brother.

00:08:12 SPEAKER_002: After you have tuned yourself, as these two instruments have done, and minutes are done, and you feel that you are ready to begin channeling.

00:08:31 SPEAKER_004: Open yourself to your guides and ask them to speak to you.

00:08:43 SPEAKER_004: Ask one of them to speak to you, and then whenever thought comes into your mind, speak it.

00:08:56 SPEAKER_004: Speak it without thinking about it, and keep doing that.

00:09:01 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:09:01 SPEAKER_004: Thank you, cool.

00:09:02 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:09:04 SPEAKER_004: So, all right.

00:09:08 SPEAKER_004: I guess we can do a North Star lesson now.

00:09:12 SPEAKER_004: The basics of channeling.

00:09:13 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:09:13 SPEAKER_004: Yep.

00:09:14 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:09:18 SPEAKER_004: I think those are good things to learn as well.

00:09:36 SPEAKER_003: Because, like, you know, for me at least, like, the biggest thing about kind of you know channeling thing is kind of getting yourself out of the way.

00:09:56 SPEAKER_003: You know, it's like learning to kind of open up, accept the information coming in, and then like not mess with it.

00:10:07 SPEAKER_003: You know what I mean?

00:10:10 SPEAKER_003: Just let it come out.

00:10:19 SPEAKER_003: Isn't that the hardest thing to do?

00:10:21 SPEAKER_003: That's what I'm saying.

00:10:26 SPEAKER_003: Like, that's that's that's the hardest bit.

00:10:39 SPEAKER_003: That's the thing that you have to kind of just relax, cut yourself out of it, and just let it flow out.

00:10:50 SPEAKER_002: You know, and then um, yeah.

00:10:55 SPEAKER_002: This is just like what they describe.

00:11:01 SPEAKER_002: It just rolls out; you don't think about it.

00:11:07 SPEAKER_002: Don't put any whatever.

00:11:14 SPEAKER_002: Just let it kind of flow out.

00:11:24 SPEAKER_002: I suppose your guides are a portion of your being that exists upon what you call the inner planes of planet Earth.

00:11:32 SPEAKER_002: Yep.

00:11:33 SPEAKER_002: Grouping in minimum number.

00:11:40 SPEAKER_002: Cool, explicitly validates the idea of a group of three or more.

00:11:54 SPEAKER_002: As you are setting your intention as a group of three or more to channel these guys, the challenge is spiritual authentication:

00:12:12 SPEAKER_002: ask them a question that is so important to you that you not only live by its qualities, but if it were necessary, you would give your life for those qualities.

00:12:33 SPEAKER_002: I think that's one of the most important bits of all of the channeling process; like, that challenge is the thing that keeps you safe.

00:12:41 SPEAKER_002: So it's so massively important.

00:13:03 SPEAKER_003: And I think that's why, like, the ancient scriptures and the Bedouins and these guys that did the channeling so long ago didn't do that, and that's why they got so much hypocritical information.

00:13:18 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, same thing in the Old Testament, right?

00:13:22 SPEAKER_003: That's what I'm talking about.

00:13:26 SPEAKER_003: Oh, okay.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_003: I thought you said Bedouins.

00:13:30 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, Bedouins.

00:13:32 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:13:36 SPEAKER_003: I thought the Bedouins were desert people.

00:13:42 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:13:45 SPEAKER_003: Well, they weren't, weren't they?

00:13:57 SPEAKER_003: The prophets out, you know, sitting out in the desert by themselves, and the Bedouins were in the area of Israel, and a bunch of them were wanderers,

00:14:15 SPEAKER_003: nomadic Arab pastoralists of the deserts and desert regions of the Middle East; people of the open dwellers.

00:14:23 SPEAKER_003: Oh, okay.

00:14:28 SPEAKER_003: So see, Arabian, Levite, Judean, Moses, etc. Oh, it says Moses.

00:14:39 SPEAKER_003: Okay, Bedouin-like people existed: usually played by the Arab nomadic pastoralists.

00:14:46 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I've always called them Bedouins.

00:14:57 SPEAKER_003: Just kind of throw... you know they're just those prophets; I mean, it's pretty much same sitting out in the desert in a cave or whatever.

00:15:10 SPEAKER_003: So basically the same, but just term was different.

00:15:18 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, so it's basically like the Middle Eastern version of a hummer?

00:15:24 SPEAKER_003: Right, that's what I'd say.

00:15:30 SPEAKER_003: Who was who was really into the Creator and the energies, but you know they...

00:15:39 SPEAKER_003: I don't think they learned how to challenge.

00:15:43 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, okay, makes sense.

00:15:46 SPEAKER_003: And you know, arguably, they didn't have such a powerful tool as challenging in the name of Christ consciousness of Jesus; of you know that we have now.

00:16:09 SPEAKER_003: You know, we have that usable tool in our disposal that maybe wasn't as well cemented before, and they worked individually; they didn't have the protection of others around.

00:16:33 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, that's what I mean: you got the whole idea of like... you know, the magical groove thing that Ra talks about; you know, if everybody does the same ritual,

00:16:48 SPEAKER_003: then that ritual gets more power as more people do it.

00:16:54 SPEAKER_003: You know, Laura squares?

00:16:58 SPEAKER_003: But that's over time as well.

00:17:09 SPEAKER_003: So like, well, the amount of people that have done the LBRP makes it a very good ritual to protect you.

00:17:20 SPEAKER_003: You know when you do it; think of Elijah, Jeremiah...

00:17:26 SPEAKER_003: John the Revelator.

00:17:33 SPEAKER_003: Relevator was it Micah or something or Malachi?

00:17:47 SPEAKER_003: You know, these guys got the information, and then they're sitting there writing all this doom and gloom prophecies.

00:17:59 SPEAKER_003: You know, and we're told by the Confederation that's what happens.

00:18:13 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, you get the good stuff coming in, and then you get this doom and gloom that also comes in.

00:18:24 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, if you don't do the challenging; don't challenge, right?

00:18:37 SPEAKER_003: And these are like the greatest prophets and... you know Christian lore, you know Christian mythology, and they're just bringing in hardcore doom and gloom.

00:18:52 SPEAKER_003: So sad.

00:19:15 SPEAKER_003: They didn't know what they were trying to do.

00:19:19 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, they were just doing their best.

00:19:24 SPEAKER_003: They were doing their best.

00:19:37 SPEAKER_002: They can't help it if everybody else just took their words and ran and just turned it into such a nightmare thought form.

00:19:48 SPEAKER_002: Ask them to speak to you.

00:19:59 SPEAKER_002: Ask one of them to speak to you, and then whatever thought comes into your mind, speak it.

00:20:09 SPEAKER_002: Let's do it without thinking about it.

00:20:12 SPEAKER_002: I keep doing that.

00:20:14 SPEAKER_002: Separates channeling from analysis.

00:20:21 SPEAKER_002: During the channeling phase, the instrument is supposed to allow flow.

00:20:26 SPEAKER_003: Evaluation comes after.

00:20:29 SPEAKER_003: The mind's discriminating function is not destroyed.

00:20:36 SPEAKER_002: The editing function is not destroyed, but it is temporarily moved to the later review stage.

00:20:45 SPEAKER_002: Discussion angle: This is close to improvisation.

00:20:55 SPEAKER_002: The quality control happens before through tuning and after through review, not during every sentence.

00:21:00 SPEAKER_002: Can't do everything at once.

00:21:14 SPEAKER_002: Recording and post-session discernment: If you have a recording device, you can transcribe the material you channel from your guides and see how it feels to you.

00:21:26 SPEAKER_002: This is the sober, grounded part.

00:21:32 SPEAKER_002: The transcript lets the group review the material after the altered or meditative state has passed.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_002: Up with the experience itself will be the only evidence.

00:21:52 SPEAKER_002: See how it feels to you is also noticeable.

00:22:01 SPEAKER_002: Discernment here is partially intuitive, not merely doctrinal or logical, but is still reflective.

00:22:13 SPEAKER_002: Place ritual protection before you have your channeling session, which you hold in the same place each time.

00:22:25 SPEAKER_002: Then purification: provide a kind of purification of the place and protection of the place.

00:22:54 SPEAKER_002: If you have any other kind of ritual, you set your intention to the wall of light concept, a wall of light that does not allow any darkness within it.

00:23:06 SPEAKER_002: Tuning before channeling.

00:23:13 SPEAKER_002: This then prepares the place much like the tuning that you would do before such a channeling.

00:23:20 SPEAKER_002: After you have tuned yourself, you feel that you're ready to channel.

00:23:27 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah.

00:23:28 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:23:28 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:23:30 SPEAKER_002: We covered that already.

00:23:35 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_002: Next.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_002: Um, cool.

00:23:39 SPEAKER_002: Okay, haiku.

00:23:46 SPEAKER_002: I have a question.

00:23:57 SPEAKER_003: When I was nineteen, I had an out of body experience, and I came into contact with what I believe to be a positively oriented extraterrestrial entity.

00:24:16 SPEAKER_003: And I'm curious if you could tell me about the origins of this entity and my brothers, and what my relationship to them might be.

00:24:27 SPEAKER_003: Hello.

00:24:27 SPEAKER_003: Hello.

00:24:29 SPEAKER_003: Did you guys all disappear?

00:24:31 SPEAKER_003: Oh no!

00:24:33 SPEAKER_003: I'm here.

00:24:35 SPEAKER_003: So you're here.

00:24:37 SPEAKER_003: I'm...

00:24:39 SPEAKER_003: I was on mute.

00:24:41 SPEAKER_003: Sorry.

00:24:41 SPEAKER_003: Oh.

00:24:42 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:24:43 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:24:47 SPEAKER_003: I thought that I needed to restart the server.

00:24:51 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:24:52 SPEAKER_003: Good.

00:24:53 SPEAKER_003: All right.

00:24:55 SPEAKER_003: Go ahead.

00:24:57 SPEAKER_003: Sorry about that.

00:25:06 SPEAKER_003: I am Q'uo, and aware of this query: my brother, there is some tangle we must navigate with this query,

00:25:26 SPEAKER_003: for there are aspects of this experience that we sense are intended by you and your higher self to remain a journey of discovery for you.

00:25:39 SPEAKER_003: Oh, the free will!

00:25:52 SPEAKER_003: And to offer quick and direct answers to these aspects of your experience would rob you of the essential quality of this journey.

00:26:04 SPEAKER_003: I'd be...

00:26:08 SPEAKER_003: I'll just rob me, okay?

00:26:25 SPEAKER_003: However, we can offer some light: a lot information alongside some guidance for how you may continue to approach this deep question that has informed your life and your journey up to this point.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_003: We can confirm, in some sense, that this experience that you had—that you experienced—has an out-of-body experience, was indeed planned in some way by you and your higher self prior to this incarnation.

00:27:21 SPEAKER_003: This experience was to come at a particular moment and a particular time that was intended to influence you and to pivot your life around this experience,

00:27:47 SPEAKER_003: so that your journey of attempting to understand and to come to terms with this experience set you on your intended path for this incarnation; and that happens a lot with near-death experiences too.

00:27:59 SPEAKER_003: What?

00:28:03 SPEAKER_003: It resets the experience and puts them on the intended path.

00:28:12 SPEAKER_003: Oh yes, yes, fair enough.

00:28:21 SPEAKER_003: I mean that's usually the point.

00:28:28 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:28:36 SPEAKER_003: Well... sometimes a lot of people don't get the message, or it actually takes another indie to get the message.

00:28:44 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:28:48 SPEAKER_003: I know it is—it is probably one of the roughest course corrections.

00:28:57 SPEAKER_003: You know?

00:29:00 SPEAKER_003: It's like being struck by lightning.

00:29:07 SPEAKER_003: Especially if you had no idea what was going on.

00:29:12 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:17 SPEAKER_003: If you were lost in the dark... completely in the dark.

00:29:30 SPEAKER_003: By attempting to reconcile and integrate this experience within your life, you will have come up with many other experiences.

00:29:45 SPEAKER_003: You have brought to yourself the catalyst that you desired for your incarnation: to take a certain path, to learn certain lessons,

00:30:09 SPEAKER_003: and to open your heart in such a way that fulfills your journey upon this planet.

00:30:32 SPEAKER_003: We can confirm that the being that you experienced was indeed a friend—a former companion, a being that has grown alongside you—and together you have formed this plan, this idea,

00:30:55 SPEAKER_003: to have this brief but vivid intersection within this incarnation, so that you can be impressed upon this entity in a way that was determined beforehand, in terms of the true origins.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_002: You may say we cannot speak further, and this is the extent of the specific confirmation that we are able to offer you.

00:31:51 SPEAKER_003: However, we would encourage you to continue to contemplate and seek answers and understand more what this experience was, what brought it about, and who it was that you met within this experience.

00:32:13 SPEAKER_002: These are all aspects of a puzzle that paint a particular picture of your incarnation.

00:32:30 SPEAKER_002: You may be aware that we consistently recommend the daily practice of meditation to help understand types of experiences like these,

00:32:43 SPEAKER_002: for they come to you from a ground of being that is more accessible through meditation.

00:33:03 SPEAKER_002: To become more familiar with your inner landscape, to develop and polish and maintain a room within the self, within the heart: meditate within that space within the self,

00:33:29 SPEAKER_002: and bless it with your love allows things to come into that space—new understandings, new information, and even perhaps new experiences—that help bring more understanding of why you had this experience, who this experience was with,

00:33:49 SPEAKER_002: and the origins of the being that you are curious about.

00:34:02 SPEAKER_002: And further, we would encourage any seeker attempting to understand and integrate such anomalous experiences,

00:34:19 SPEAKER_002: such poignant moments within their life—experiences outside of the realm of unusual phenomena that seem impossible from your consensus mass consciousness—to have contemplation pointed towards the purpose and meaning of this experience as it is in

00:34:45 SPEAKER_002: conflict with those aspects of your society and culture that deny these things are possible or wish to believe them not true.

00:34:58 SPEAKER_002: Such experiences challenge that status Q'uo,

00:35:13 SPEAKER_002: and missing your experience—and both integrating and sharing it with the world in whatever way you discover is best for you—helps generate a certain type of friction against the status Q'uo.

00:35:27 SPEAKER_002: This friction is the catalyst of self-discovery.

00:35:42 SPEAKER_002: That if you are able to utilize and process this catalyst and understand more of your own true nature as the one infinite creator, you will shine ever more.

00:36:05 SPEAKER_002: Brightly among a world and a planet that is desperate for that love and light of the One Infinite Creator that comes about from such realization.

00:36:20 SPEAKER_002: No follow-up question.

00:36:22 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, it was; it was pretty long answer.

00:36:26 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:36:26 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:36:28 SPEAKER_002: Now deduplicable core thesis: Are you guys still there?

00:36:33 SPEAKER_002: You guys all muted yourselves again.

00:36:37 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, man, I'm here.

00:36:39 SPEAKER_002: Okay, okay.

00:36:41 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, we're here.

00:36:42 SPEAKER_002: We're here.

00:36:43 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah.

00:36:44 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:36:54 SPEAKER_003: Q'uo treats the experience less as a puzzle to be solved by external identification and more of an incarnational catalyst whose purpose is discovered through integration.

00:37:18 SPEAKER_003: Yes, there are aspects of this experience we sense are intended by you and your higher self to remain a journey of discovery for you.

00:37:32 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:37:44 SPEAKER_003: Withholding answers as spiritual respect: to offer quick and direct answer to these aspects of your experience would rob you of the essential quality of this journey.

00:37:56 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:37:59 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:38:06 SPEAKER_004: Discussion angle: Some spiritual knowledge may be harmful if received prematurely because it bypasses the inner work.

00:38:18 SPEAKER_004: The question is meant to generate insight.

00:38:23 SPEAKER_004: Yes, it's true.

00:38:27 SPEAKER_004: It's true.

00:38:30 SPEAKER_004: If you just get the answer, then you're like, "Oh, I'm done with this."

00:38:40 SPEAKER_004: But if you're still seeking the answer, then you might do more work.

00:38:52 SPEAKER_004: The event as pre-incarnative design.

00:39:01 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:39:02 SPEAKER_004: Yes.

00:39:03 SPEAKER_004: We...

00:39:04 SPEAKER_004: This is not...

00:39:07 SPEAKER_004: Gosh, we really covered that catalyst.

00:39:16 SPEAKER_002: I don't think you're going to 100% find the answer to it.

00:39:29 SPEAKER_003: I don't think you're going to 100% find the answer to this until you're out of incarnation.

00:39:44 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:39:46 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:39:49 SPEAKER_003: I mean, you can't know anything for certain.

00:40:04 SPEAKER_003: So by attempting to reconcile and integrate this experience within your life, you will have come up with many other experiences.

00:40:17 SPEAKER_003: The work is not merely remembering the event, but reconciling it with life.

00:40:22 SPEAKER_003: Yes.

00:40:24 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:40:33 SPEAKER_002: The being as friend and former companion—that being that you experienced was indeed a friend; you may say, a former companion.

00:40:46 SPEAKER_003: Yes, this being is from X planet or this race, friend, former companion.

00:40:57 SPEAKER_003: You together have formed this plan.

00:41:01 SPEAKER_003: Very good, very good.

00:41:06 SPEAKER_003: Yes, so that's... that's that's a lot of validation right there.

00:41:17 SPEAKER_002: ET origin subordinated to incarnational purpose: In terms of the true origin, we cannot speak for them.

00:41:26 SPEAKER_002: This is a major interpretive boundary.

00:41:31 SPEAKER_002: Where are they from?

00:41:35 SPEAKER_003: Interpretive boundary.

00:41:37 SPEAKER_003: Where are they from?

00:41:45 SPEAKER_003: Because it doesn't matter; we can't go there anyways.

00:41:54 SPEAKER_003: Meditation is the proper instrument of knowing.

00:42:09 SPEAKER_003: They come to you from a ground of being that is most accessible through meditation.

00:42:22 SPEAKER_003: This means the answer is not mainly obtained through argument, research, or external confirmation.

00:42:30 SPEAKER_003: It is approached through inner quiet familiarity with the heart, spiritual restitution.

00:42:33 SPEAKER_003: Exactly.

00:42:36 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, that's... that's the inner work that needs to be done.

00:42:43 SPEAKER_003: That work in meditation.

00:42:48 SPEAKER_003: And now: Anomalous experience versus consensus reality.

00:42:57 SPEAKER_002: Such anomalous experiences seem impossible from the perspective of your consensus mass consciousness.

00:43:09 SPEAKER_002: The seeker is being asked to integrate an experience that ordinary society would deny.

00:43:22 SPEAKER_002: That tension is itself part of the catalyst.

00:43:36 SPEAKER_002: Orthogonal point: There are two integrations happening at once: integration within the self, and integration against the culture that lacks categories for the experience.

00:43:51 SPEAKER_002: Friction as a service in self-discovery; expressing your experience.

00:44:06 SPEAKER_002: Discovery, expressing your experience, and both integrating and sharing it with the world helps to generate a certain type of friction, a catalyst of self-discovery.

00:44:23 SPEAKER_003: Self-realization is the final purpose: Understand more of your own true nature as the One Infinite Creator.

00:44:30 SPEAKER_003: Okay, there we go.

00:44:34 SPEAKER_003: I guess we will move on.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_003: If no one has any questions...

00:44:44 SPEAKER_003: Um, hello Q'uo.

00:44:49 SPEAKER_003: I have a question regarding physical pain.

00:44:59 SPEAKER_002: Sometimes you can have situations where the pain can be crippling,

00:45:13 SPEAKER_002: and I was wondering if you could speak in general on how do you integrate that pain and try to keep a positive attitude about the situation that you're in,

00:45:30 SPEAKER_002: because sometimes it can get quite overwhelming, and it's something that I'm struggling with quite a bit.

00:45:48 SPEAKER_002: And I was wondering if you could speak in general about it, and if there's even a way to integrate the pain where you're least dealing with it sensibly?

00:46:08 SPEAKER_003: Hey, Andrei, just to let you know, Bill, I don't know if it's everybody, but you're coming in and out.

00:46:17 SPEAKER_003: Right.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_003: One, one, so-so.

00:46:20 SPEAKER_003: Okay, go ahead.

00:46:23 SPEAKER_003: I'm coming in and out.

00:46:26 SPEAKER_003: Let me know.

00:46:28 SPEAKER_003: Okay, okay.

00:46:30 SPEAKER_003: Go, go ahead.

00:46:34 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, my microphone, my speakers were unplugged.

00:46:38 SPEAKER_003: That's what happened.

00:46:41 SPEAKER_003: Okay, go ahead.

00:46:43 SPEAKER_003: Okay, okay.

00:46:46 SPEAKER_003: I can hear you now.

00:46:53 SPEAKER_003: All right, I am Q'uo, and I am aware of the query.

00:47:07 SPEAKER_003: My sister; we wish to speak to this query with some sensitivity, for we are aware that the third density bodies that you inhabit, the veiled experience that you currently experience,

00:47:25 SPEAKER_003: can create a very significant charge against the experience of pain.

00:47:39 SPEAKER_003: The experience of bodily and physical pain can be, as you say, so completely overwhelming that it can hijack the rest of the experience of the individual.

00:47:52 SPEAKER_003: Got that right?

00:47:58 SPEAKER_003: And we understand that there is much effort among your people to help alleviate this experience of pain.

00:48:12 SPEAKER_003: And the goal of eliminating pain is one of the greatest goals of your medical communities.

00:48:24 SPEAKER_003: You may say allowing individuals to exist within their body without pain is a noble goal.

00:48:44 SPEAKER_003: However, we can say that from our perspective, that is one privilege: to be removed from the grappling hooks of such pain and such stories about pain.

00:48:57 SPEAKER_003: That the pain itself does indeed have a divine purpose.

00:49:17 SPEAKER_002: That this pain is not a punishment or a random difficulty inflicted upon you as a people to experience and to try to eliminate without question.

00:49:32 SPEAKER_003: We do understand and believe it is a noble service to attempt to eliminate pain.

00:49:43 SPEAKER_003: However, as we witness, it is an impossible goal.

00:49:55 SPEAKER_003: For pain is a fact of reality, and for many, such as yourself, the chronic type of pain that is overwhelming can be a massive disruption to personal life.

00:50:26 SPEAKER_003: To speak generally, as you have requested, we can again recommend an understanding or an exploration of this experience that focuses on the potential planning of such catastrophes—of such catalysts from before your incarnation.

00:50:52 SPEAKER_003: There are various reasons why an entity may put into their incarnational planet an experience of overwhelming pain.

00:51:08 SPEAKER_002: There are various reasons why an entity may experience any number of limitations or overwhelming experiences, and indeed,

00:51:28 SPEAKER_002: it is our perception that many entities prior to their incarnation overestimate their ability to see through this overwhelming nature of the catalyst and grasp the true intended meaning of the catalyst.

00:51:57 SPEAKER_003: For some, this catalyst is intended to place a certain limitation on outer activity, to place a limitation on the ability for the entity to act in certain ways.

00:52:20 SPEAKER_003: And in such situations, we encourage any entity experiencing this limitation or any limitations to seek within those activities that are limited:

00:52:42 SPEAKER_007: to seek the boundaries of where the entity feels restricted and understand what message may be within that limitation, what lesson might be learned from being limited,

00:52:57 SPEAKER_007: and perhaps what gifts might be explored from within the bounds of limitation.

00:53:13 SPEAKER_007: We also encourage meditation upon the nature of pain as a force that causes you to push away from something; the nature of pain as a survival mechanism is very important biological mechanism.

00:53:36 SPEAKER_007: However, the intended plan of your sub-Logos was that pain would be experienced and would not be able to be completely avoided, so that the pain can generate certain catalysts.

00:53:52 SPEAKER_007: So the experience of pain puts the entity into a state of discomfort.

00:54:07 SPEAKER_003: You may say so that they then seek answers, so that they may seek a resolution to this discomfort.

00:54:15 SPEAKER_003: For if the discomfort were easily resolved and the answers easily found, the seeking would no longer be necessary.

00:54:15 SPEAKER_003: And it is the desire of the Creator and the Logos that the entity does seek; that the entity does not feel so comfortable that it rests and decides that all is well,

00:54:15 SPEAKER_003: and thus no activity is needed, no growth is sought, no understanding is desired of one's experience.

00:54:15 SPEAKER_003: Gosh, that's how I wish my experience was: No growth sought.

00:54:16 SPEAKER_003: No understanding.

00:54:16 SPEAKER_003: Just like existing completely pain-free.

00:54:17 SPEAKER_003: Pain-free?

00:54:17 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_003: We unfortunately cannot comment specifically in ways that may help any individual to understand their specific pain.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_003: However, we would encourage again that any seeker contemplating this question attempt to understand what gift may be within the pain.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_003: And if such cannot be found due to the overwhelming nature of the pain, it can be helpful: You may say to surrender and allow the pain to be the overwhelming experience for what it is,

00:54:19 SPEAKER_003: and see if this pain can be loved and accepted and allowed as if you were the One Infinite Creator experiencing the entire universe, allowing all manner of joyful and difficult experiences.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_003: To put this pain in the context of every experience that you have had—a very experience that the Creator has—and see it as just one note among a symphony of creation.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_003: Though that note may stand out as prominent in this very moment, it is indeed just one experience of an infinite creation; and that too has its own proper place, but it is not permanent.

00:54:20 SPEAKER_003: The Creation is dynamic, and it changes.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_003: And you, as a co-creator within the Creation, have the ability to experience great pain and great joy.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_003: Both can come and go within your direct experience as you move through the cosmos on your journey home to the One Infinite Creator.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_003: There's no follow-up question?

00:54:22 SPEAKER_003: Yes.

00:54:22 SPEAKER_003: Yes.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_003: Let's do this one.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_003: No. I've thought a lot about what good can come out of pain, and I think the main answer for me is experiencing it;

00:54:25 SPEAKER_003: then it helps you have empathy and sympathy with others that are going through the pain.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_003: You kind of understand that pain is had by everyone at some point or another.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_003: You know, some people have more degrees of it than others, but ultimately you know like it says: to be loved and accepted and even cherished at some point because of how much it's taught you.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_003: But for me, in this incarnation, the understanding, empathy, and sympathy are not only with people going through pain, but also animals, plants—anything alive?

00:54:27 SPEAKER_003: Hmm.

00:54:28 SPEAKER_003: Interesting.

00:54:29 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

00:54:29 SPEAKER_003: That's compassion; definitely one of them: knowing what it's like to be in their shoes.

00:54:29 SPEAKER_003: Though I know for me, pain often brings new opportunities, and it is also an excuse to not work myself so hard because, yeah, I'm in too much pain to work anymore,

00:54:29 SPEAKER_003: and so I have to let myself rest.

00:54:30 SPEAKER_003: And as you get older, notice that: hey, what?

00:54:30 SPEAKER_003: In my late fifties, I can't quite do the things that I did in my 40s and 30s; you know, it's just...

00:54:30 SPEAKER_003: I mean, some guys my age can do things, but I think it gets a little more difficult for everybody.

00:54:31 SPEAKER_003: You know, and that itself is an opportunity to reflect more on others and also to help coordinate them?

00:54:31 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

00:54:31 SPEAKER_003: So core thesis: Core frames severe physical pain as real, overwhelming, and worthy of relief, while also treating it as a possible spiritual catalyst that may contain meaning, limitations, surrender, and transformation.

00:54:31 SPEAKER_003: Allowing individuals to exist within their body without pain is indeed a noble goal.

00:54:32 SPEAKER_003: But the pain itself does indeed have a divine purpose.

00:54:32 SPEAKER_003: Sensitivity for interpretation: We wish to speak to this query with some sensitivity.

00:54:33 SPEAKER_003: Bodily and physical pain can be okay; any spiritual interpretation of pain must begin with compassion, not theory.

00:54:33 SPEAKER_003: Pain relief as noble service: Okay, we ever did this—pain is fact of embodied reality.

00:54:34 SPEAKER_003: Physical pain is in fact a fact of reality.

00:54:34 SPEAKER_003: The claim that pain cannot be completely abolished from incarnate life bodies are vulnerable; their density embodiment includes limitation, injury, decline, and nervous system alarm.

00:54:35 SPEAKER_003: How do I make...?

00:54:35 SPEAKER_003: This moves the question from "How do I make pain disappear?"

00:54:36 SPEAKER_003: to "How do I live spiritually when pain remains?"

00:54:36 SPEAKER_003: Q'uo says explicitly: this pain is not a punishment or random difficulty.

00:54:36 SPEAKER_003: This is the major theological point: pain is neither divine revenge nor meaningless cosmic accident.

00:54:37 SPEAKER_003: Q'uo places it in the category of catalyst, meaning experience that provokes seeking, growth, choices, humility, compassion, and self-knowledge.

00:54:37 SPEAKER_003: Discussion angle: This is close to the idea that suffering is not necessarily deserved but may still become meaningful.

00:54:38 SPEAKER_003: Pre-incarnative planning and overestimation: Potential planning of such catalysts from before your incarnation; but they immediately complicate that with a very humanizing admission:

00:54:38 SPEAKER_003: Many entities prior to their incarnation overestimate their ability to see through this overwhelming nature of the catalyst.

00:54:39 SPEAKER_003: This is one of the most important lines.

00:54:39 SPEAKER_003: It means the soul may have chosen a lesson that the incarnate self finds almost unbearable.

00:54:39 SPEAKER_003: That does not make the person weak; it makes the veil, making the chosen catalyst harder than expected.

00:54:40 SPEAKER_003: Clean point: Chosen before incarnation does not mean easy, disturbed, or your fault.

00:54:40 SPEAKER_003: Limitation as message could suggest that some pain restricts outer activity.

00:54:41 SPEAKER_003: This catalyst is intended to place a certain limitation on outer activity.

00:54:41 SPEAKER_003: It's not "Why am I being punished?"

00:54:41 SPEAKER_003: but "What message may be within the limitation?"

00:54:42 SPEAKER_003: This reframes limitation as a possible teacher: Pain may force boundaries, redirect vocation, slow compulsive action, deepen inwardness, or reveal gifts that only appear within constraint.

00:54:42 SPEAKER_003: Discussion angle: Pain can ask, "What life remains possible within this boundary?"

00:54:42 SPEAKER_003: Pain as a pushaway force: Who describes pain biologically and spiritually?

00:54:43 SPEAKER_003: Pain is a force that causes you to push away from something.

00:54:43 SPEAKER_003: On the biological level, pain protects the organism; it makes us withdraw from harm.

00:54:44 SPEAKER_003: But Q'uo also says discomfort generates seeking.

00:54:44 SPEAKER_003: The experience of pain puts the entity into a state of discomfort so they then seek answers.

00:54:45 SPEAKER_003: Pain creates pressure; it demands response.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_003: That response may be medical, emotional, relational, or spiritual.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_003: Discomfort is the engine of seeking.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_003: Q'uo gives the metaphysical reason: pain exists within Creation.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_003: If the discomfort were easily resolved and the answers easily found, the seeking would no longer be necessary.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_003: Discussion angle: The spiritual danger is not comfort itself, but comfort that ends inquiry.

00:54:47 SPEAKER_003: The search for the gift.

00:54:47 SPEAKER_003: Who gives a practical contemplative question?

00:54:48 SPEAKER_003: Attempt to understand what gift may be within the pain.

00:54:48 SPEAKER_003: This does not mean the pain itself feels like a gift.

00:54:48 SPEAKER_003: It means some hidden fruit may emerge: patience, dependence on grace, compassion for others, humility, change priorities, prayer, or deepened interior life.

00:54:49 SPEAKER_003: But it also makes room for failure to find that gift.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_003: If such cannot be found due to the overwhelming nature of the pain, this is the compassion that acts as a patch.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_003: When pain is too much, the seeker is not required to produce a neat meaning.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_003: Surrender when meaning fails.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_003: Allow the pain to be the overwhelming experience for what it is.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: See if the pain can be loved and accepted and allowed.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: Pain is one note in a symphony.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: It is just one note among a symphony of creation.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: It is not permanent.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: The creation is dynamic, and it changes.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_003: You, as co-creator within the creation, have the ability to experience great pain and great joy.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_003: And you know, we might just come to the incarnations and just... experience pain, just to experience it, you know?

00:54:52 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, yeah.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough, because you can't really experience it in a disincarnate state.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_003: And it's—and it's like—it just said: it's part of the whole.

00:54:54 SPEAKER_003: It's—you know—another note in the symphony.

00:54:54 SPEAKER_003: But also, you know, like... like burning off karma, like... you know, there could be a very good reason why you're in pain.

00:54:56 SPEAKER_003: You know?

00:54:56 SPEAKER_003: Maybe you did some things last life or whatever.

00:54:56 SPEAKER_003: That this life, you know, you're in pain.

00:54:57 SPEAKER_003: Yes, but that's balancing.

00:54:57 SPEAKER_003: Is—is is—a paying a debt.

00:54:58 SPEAKER_003: You know?

00:54:58 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I don't idea.

00:54:58 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, that's—that's a very good possibility, especially if you caused a lot of pain to others.

00:54:59 SPEAKER_003: Exactly.

00:54:59 SPEAKER_003: That's why... that's why I think of my eczema, and yeah, the pain of literally my skin falling off—a large chunk of my life—is is—is all payback.

00:54:59 SPEAKER_003: You know?

00:55:00 SPEAKER_002: I've been in pain for a large chunk of my conscious waking life, and that's okay.

00:55:00 SPEAKER_002: And if that's the case, that's payback you've given yourself.

00:55:01 SPEAKER_002: Exactly, and you know...

00:55:01 SPEAKER_002: I deserve it, and I'm fine with that.

00:55:01 SPEAKER_002: Okay, I mean...

00:55:01 SPEAKER_002: Well, I mean, I don't know if you deserve it, but if your higher self—and you think—you know, you do—then we'll start you with that.

00:55:03 SPEAKER_002: What is it?

00:55:03 SPEAKER_002: What is it?

00:55:03 SPEAKER_002: Buddha said: like, there's two ways to balance karma, right?

00:55:04 SPEAKER_002: You got service or suffering.

00:55:04 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:55:05 SPEAKER_002: Service or suffering.

00:55:05 SPEAKER_002: Ah, huh.

00:55:06 SPEAKER_002: I kind of get it.

00:55:06 SPEAKER_002: So okay, I would do the next one.

00:55:07 SPEAKER_002: Just remember, there's always the R word and F word out there: repentance and forgiveness.

00:55:08 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, you know... some people get super, super upset about it.

00:55:08 SPEAKER_002: You know?

00:55:08 SPEAKER_002: Like—there're legit people out there who are like against forgiveness and repentance and gratitude and any positive emotions.

00:55:08 SPEAKER_002: Well—and a lot of time, most times when people are like that, they're actually projecting because—they can't authentically forgive themselves—you know?

00:55:08 SPEAKER_002: They can't let things go—you know?

00:55:09 SPEAKER_002: Yeah... well, it's different worldviews, and you know—there's basically more service to self and more...

00:55:09 SPEAKER_002: Well—it's no. It's just kind of a general attitude people have: if you—you know—if you can't do for yourself, you're not going to be able to do for others.

00:55:09 SPEAKER_002: Yeah—that's also true.

00:55:10 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah; it depends on the person.

00:55:10 SPEAKER_002: But—but it's—a kind of truth there.

00:55:10 SPEAKER_002: Yeah... no, you're right, you're right, you're right in that sense.

00:55:11 SPEAKER_002: And—and and—I wouldn't say it depends on the per-son.

00:55:11 SPEAKER_002: I would say it depends on where the person is at in their development.

00:55:13 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:55:13 SPEAKER_002: Because that's—that's a major leap for a lot of people.

00:55:13 SPEAKER_002: I'm just thinking about like... what about someone who is like a narcissist—who doesn't give themselves, right?

00:55:14 SPEAKER_002: But they're upset with everybody else.

00:55:16 SPEAKER_002: Yeah—but a narcissist is tricky business—you know—or you know—like—a service-to-self individual.

00:55:16 SPEAKER_002: A service-to-self individual forgives themselves for everything that they do.

00:55:16 SPEAKER_002: Well—the service-to-self individual doesn't think they did anything wrong in the first place.

00:55:16 SPEAKER_002: Exactly, exactly.

00:55:17 SPEAKER_002: In that sense, they've forgiven themselves for it all.

00:55:17 SPEAKER_002: Right... whereas you know—they may have harsh criticisms of others.

00:55:17 SPEAKER_002: But if you're on the service-to-others path, you have to forgive both.

00:55:18 SPEAKER_003: Well—and really—if you're on the service-to-others path, you really start with forgiving yourself.

00:55:18 SPEAKER_003: Yes—I mean—you got-you got a—to understand that's—that's a high-level principle to understand.

00:55:18 SPEAKER_003: That's—a highly spiritually evolved person who understands that principle—because we're talking spiritual evolution when we're dealing with these kind of concepts.

00:55:20 SPEAKER_003: Fair enough.

00:55:20 SPEAKER_003: Yep; yep—and that's why almost no one watches these, because it's so advanced.

00:55:20 SPEAKER_003: No—it is.

00:55:21 SPEAKER_003: It's hard to understand.

00:55:21 SPEAKER_003: Yeah—but well—it's not hard to understand, but it's—you know—people are stubborn-and you know—like my buddy—that you know—I've known him for over thirty years.

00:55:22 SPEAKER_003: But the more—he gets into it—and the more I tell him what I think—the more angry he gets mad at me-you know-because his whole foundation is that man has fallen,

00:55:22 SPEAKER_003: they're sinners—you know—you need Christ—you know-everything starts with the Man of Sin.

00:55:22 SPEAKER_003: That's their foundation-and and it's really...

00:55:23 SPEAKER_003: And I'm like—damn—if that's your foundation—I really feel bad for you.

00:55:23 SPEAKER_003: Yeah—and you know—that's a particular dogmatic sect.

00:55:23 SPEAKER_003: Well-no—it may be prevalent in your area.

00:55:24 SPEAKER_003: Well-that is—the original sin stuff—that is-I mean-it's common in a variety of Protestant denominations, but not all of them-and it's almost absent from like Orthodoxy and things like that.

00:55:25 SPEAKER_003: Well-if it's not "man has fallen," then you know—I'm doing everything so I don't go to hell.

00:55:25 SPEAKER_003: I want to go to heaven.

00:55:25 SPEAKER_002: Some—for some people—yeah-you know-that there's a wide variety of expression in all religions, but yes...

00:55:27 SPEAKER_002: Well-I haven't definitely seen that variety that you've seen.

00:55:27 SPEAKER_002: Fair enough; yeah-and I've gone to many different churches-so yeah-there certainly is a significant amount where they're all about the blood and the excuses-the sacrifice.

00:55:28 SPEAKER_002: You know-exactly-oh-I don't-have-to-do anything right because someone else did it for me-right-you-know-I-can-be-an-asshole-to-everybody-all-week-and-then-take-whatever-sacrament-on-Sunday-and-I'm-good-right-yep-or-the-Catholics-they-have-daily-mass-do-whatever-you-go-and-confess-and-do-your-Hail-Marys-and-you-know-put-on-your-rosette-or-whatever-you-move-around-whatever-you-do-there're people that say they believe in Christ and Christ is their savior-but they don't actually follow His example.

00:55:29 SPEAKER_002: Yeah-unfortunately-that-is-one-way-of-deluding-themselves.Okay,

00:55:30 SPEAKER_002: let's move on.If no one else has one-then I've got one.This is a question from me-Kuo.This week our American government started a process of what they are calling releasing the UFO files-and lots of people who

00:55:30 SPEAKER_002: are interested in your words are also interested in the nature of UFOs.But there is some reasonable skepticism about what is being released and what the government might even know.So I would just ask for some

00:55:30 SPEAKER_002: guidance from Kuo-for seekers who find themselves interested in this and are watching this official release-how we might hold our perspective while witnessing this-and maintaining our spiritual seeking amidst the worldly game of the news on

00:55:31 SPEAKER_002: UFOs-since it's becoming such a big story.Good and pertinent question for this time.Is it a big thing in America right now?

00:55:31 SPEAKER_002: Oh-for some people.Oh yeah-oh dude-this is ufology.Yeah-there's that whole culture.Wow.Okay-Yep-Never hear about it in Canada.

00:55:31 SPEAKER_002: Okay-go ahead though.I am Kuo-and I'm aware of your query my brother.This is a very interesting query.What we find initially interesting about the query-is-that-the United States government is releasing information that it has supposedly had for

00:55:32 SPEAKER_002: many years-going back farther into the thirties and forties-of the twentieth century.This information has supposedly been collected from a great variety of sources-including members of various branches of the military who have observed these types of

00:55:32 SPEAKER_002: craft-from time to time-beginning in World War II-and individual seekers of truth who have had some kind of experience where they've also seen something that they did not know what it was-but felt a presence and

00:55:32 SPEAKER_002: a purpose-and would use that mysterious sighting as a way of trying to learn more about what they might have seen-and becoming what we call-we would call-spiritual seekers of truth.So-when this kind of information is released

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: by your government-we would suggest-that-you-meditate-upon-whatever-positive-information-strikes-you-as-potentially-helpful-on-your-own-spiritual-journey.As your guides and your higher self-ask your guides and your higher self-to join you in meditation to give you some direction-some image or thought that can let you know-if what you

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: have heard or read-is something-that-can help you-in-your-spiritual-journey.Look around to see how other people are responding.See the general consensus reality-in-your-newspapers-on-your-television-on-YouTube-and-so-forth.Collect as much information as you can.Put it together.What-you-might-call-the-pieces-of-the-puzzle-to-see-if-your-own-spiritual-journey-is-reflected-in-any-of-this-information-that-is-released-about-UFOs.See if there is a correlation.See if there is-correlation-or-a-point-that-does-not-make-sense.Meditate again.Ask for assistance.Talk to your fellow spiritual seekers-such as those gathered here today.Get their opinions.Feel the thoughts of all-your-friends-the-government-your-higher-self-your-guides.All-of-those-are-sources-of-information that can help you determine what of this information might be valid-might-be-helpful-in-your-own-spiritual-journey.These are suggestions.No other query about that.Yeah-well-that was pretty straightforward-I think.Yep-and-you-know-what?-I-totally-do-that-too.When I hear this stuff coming out-I'm like going-"Well-you-know-no matter what these guys are saying-is it really?" helping me think more of others?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: You know-past that-does-it-move-me-past-that-fifty-one-percent-mark-of-thinking-of-others-more-than-myself.You know.Yep-Okay-well-I-think-they've-kind-of-gone-over-that-enough-times.Yeah-so ask around-meditate on it.Well-that was it.Yeah-especially-if-you're-really-bothered-by-it-because-a-lot-of-times-like-the-people-you-know-you-don't-know-if-they're-CIA-plans-if-they're-Wraithian-if-they're-you-know-sometimes-you-go-okay-that-guy-that-guy-sounds-actually-sincere.You know-I-mean-you go what are these guys trying to sell me?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: Is there-is-there-something-they're-trying-to-like?-like-a-lot-of-times-when-a-sensational-news-comes-out-it's-used-to-push-other-news-off-the-headlines.You-know-a-classic-example-of-that-was-in-the-late-'90s when Clinton was getting blowjobs by the intern-and they were all doing that.And-all-of-a-sudden-you know-Clinton-starts-bombing-Serbia.Oh-right.Yeah-or-like-a-list-of-people-like-to-do-with-Epstein-and-suddenly-some-kind-of-war-in-Libya.Or-Iran.Well-Iran.Yes.Sorry.Sorry.Well-to-be-fair-the-Epstein-stuff-has-been-going-on-for-over-twenty-years-and-you-know-all-of-a-sudden-maybe-it-was-part-of-it-too.Who knows?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: People are interested.It's like okay-where-were-your-questions-a-decade-ago?-So yeah-who treats UFO disclosure as material for discernment rather than spectacle?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: The seeker is encouraged to acknowledge government releases while remembering they are partial and mediated.UFO reports have a long history of involving military witnesses-civilians-and-spiritual-seekers who felt a presence and a purpose.Who sense-a-purpose-whose-method-is-to-meditate-first-ask-guides-and-higher-self-for-direction-gather-information-from-multiple-sources-compare-correlations-and-contradictions-consult-fellow-seekers-and-then-ask-what-is-valid-and-spiritually-helpful.The goal is not obsession with the new cycle-but stable seeking amid mystery.Fair enough.All right-so-do-we-have-any-more-questions-guys?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: Or-maybe-we-should-just-like-wrap-up-now.I'm pretty tired-to-be-honest.are-you-guys-there?-Yeah-yep-Yeah-and-because-we-finished-May-ninth-and-I-think-they-got.Let's see-they-got-one-more-next-May-seventeenth-and-that-was-the-homecoming one.Okay-cool-so-we'll-do-that-next-week.Yeah-yeah-that's-the-one-I-was-present-for-that one.That was awesome-but so bizarre.I had never been in a large channeling like that.That was well-established.I mean-Jim McCarty has been channeling for over fifty years-and-to-have-them-as-attuned-as-they-are-and-that-large-there-were-eighty-five-of-us.There were eighty-five of us there-and well-didn't-you-say-you-didn't-hear-a-lot-of-it?-Yeah-and-that's-the-consensus-that-a-lot-of-us-had-while-we-were-present.We had to go back-and you have to read it because I don't remember any of it.It was we went into meditation in support of them-and-I did-in-my-mind-and-I-know-a-lot-of-other-people-did-too.I-was-projecting-or-giving-my-energy-to-the-contact-so-that-we-could-square-and-that-was-my-intention.And-everybody-that-did-that-lost-their-memory-of-what-happened.Well-then-what's-cool-is-you-get-to-actually-hear-what-they-said-and-we-can-reflect-on-it-next-time.It'll-be-great.Yeah-all-right-well-I-mean-I've-read-it-but-it's-just-totally-I-have-fog.I have foggy little bits that come in.Like I remember the one guy reading his question-and it was talking about negative negativity and bellicosity-and-that-because-of-all-the-war-stuff-going-on.And-that's basically all I remember.Wow.So-Bill-you-want-to-read-the-outro-for-us?

00:55:33 SPEAKER_002: Oh-for-May-ninth.May-ninth.Yeah-let-me-go-back.Okay-sure.All-right-I-am-cool-and-we-thank-you-my-brother.At-this-time-we-would-also-like-to-thank-each-spiritual-seeker-of-truth-within-the-circle-for-taking-the-time-out-of-your-busy-life-to-come-and-share-the-nature-of-your-spiritual-journey-in-your-round-robin.This-is-very-helpful-to-us.We see each of you as a light-your journey shining through your beingness-and-gathering-momentum-and-brilliance-as-you-work-together-in-this-domicile-to-find-more-of-the-truth-of-your-own-spiritual-journey-we-would-at-this-time-take-our-leave-of-the-instrument-leaving-each-of-you-in-the-love-and-light-of-the-one-infinite-Creator Adonai Vasubhogas.All-right-great-and-so-as-I-found-you will leave you in infinite love and infinite peace.Go forth-therefore-rejoicing-in-the-infinite-power-the-infinite-wait-infinite-love-and-infinite-light-and-then-infinite power.Infinite peace.Anyways-doesn't-matter.My friends thank you tonight.And I just like to say that the Confederation's disclosure of the UFO stuff is on par as our government's disclosure.I think it's-way-better.But-all-right love and light.Well-either way-we're-not-getting.