Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — June 20, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: Love and light are the one infinite creator.

00:00:01 speaker_unknown: I'm Andrei.

00:00:01 speaker_unknown: Joined here today with Bill, Eric, and Fred, and we will be continuing the April 11th, 2026 session, and it's got some stuff on pets and some other stuff: interplanes and divine source of creativity,

00:00:16 speaker_unknown: and then we might delve into the next session after that.

00:00:24 SPEAKER_002: Yes, Kua.

00:00:25 SPEAKER_002: I was curious if you could give guidance on communicating or communing with our sacred second density loved ones who have left the physical and are in the inner planes.

00:00:37 SPEAKER_002: Go ahead, Fred.

00:00:38 SPEAKER_002: I mean, do you want me to go?

00:00:42 SPEAKER_002: Phil?

00:00:44 SPEAKER_002: Go ahead.

00:00:46 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:00:46 SPEAKER_002: All right, all right.

00:00:56 SPEAKER_004: Where those accrue and see and hear and feel this question: "Our brother," as you already know full well,

00:01:16 SPEAKER_004: on another level or another portal of connection—the bridge between you and your beloved late second density companion—is the love that exists within your heart for this companion.

00:01:44 SPEAKER_004: That love may have many expressions in the form of the many memories that you have shared between you two, and the relationship that was cultivated and deepened and sweetened.

00:02:08 SPEAKER_004: There may be physical mementos, portraits, or toys or artifacts of that being who, for a time, shared their journey very closely with you, still in your belonging.

00:02:32 SPEAKER_004: These are some of the ways that this underlying love may have manifested, and is manifesting in both your interior and exterior realities, shall we say?

00:03:01 SPEAKER_004: But it is the essence of that connection which can be viewed through these artifacts of your time together that you may continue this journey of connection with this other expression—this other self-expression of the Creator.

00:03:31 SPEAKER_004: Love is not bound to time, but is seemingly magically experienced through the journey of time; and through such a journey as space and time, one may learn to open the heart more widely,

00:04:04 SPEAKER_004: with less condition, more universally, and upon a conscious level experience that love which has made all things from a new vantage point, a deeper perspective, and a more embodied experience.

00:04:31 SPEAKER_004: This construct of time and space grants all of us the opportunity upon an upwards spiraling journey of learning: this deepening of our experience and understanding of love;

00:04:54 SPEAKER_002: but love itself is never controlled to an illusory past or a relationship that is no more.

00:05:11 SPEAKER_002: But within or between entities of different densities, once two points shall we say make that connection,

00:05:39 SPEAKER_002: such that love blossoms within their hearts and they feel love come alive in their shared presence and shared experience.

00:06:01 SPEAKER_002: That love is forever available so long as the entity does not put any block in the way, nor armor the self against the loss of that which was held to be dear,

00:06:17 SPEAKER_002: nor lose themselves in grief or denial or anger.

00:06:36 SPEAKER_002: We do not say that these associated emotions ought to be repressed or denied.

00:06:47 SPEAKER_002: It is appropriate and healthy to experience these emotions and the consequences of loss from the perspective of a third density entity within the illusion.

00:07:11 SPEAKER_002: Rather, it is that grip upon grief—or any perspective which springs from a separation-based mindset of the finite world—that can preclude one's vision of the deeper reality which transcends the constructs of space and time,

00:07:32 SPEAKER_004: wherein that connection once made remains alive in the present moment forever and ever.

00:07:47 SPEAKER_002: So we would say to you, our friend: tap into that connection and that love; feel it and honor it.

00:07:59 SPEAKER_004: This is your means of communing and communication and continuation of that which has begun.

00:08:06 SPEAKER_004: Is there a follow-up query?

00:08:09 SPEAKER_004: Oh, no, I don't think so.

00:08:12 SPEAKER_004: Is there one?

00:08:15 SPEAKER_002: Um...

00:08:16 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:08:18 SPEAKER_002: Did I put you to sleep?

00:08:25 SPEAKER_002: Oh, I think my beverage might have—it was like a nighttime beverage.

00:08:31 SPEAKER_002: Maybe I should have had it later.

00:08:39 SPEAKER_004: All right; now give us points for seekers with quotes based on the following.

00:08:48 SPEAKER_004: Also, I put on these red glasses; they make me sleepy.

00:08:58 SPEAKER_002: And then I may or may not be going to the farmers market tomorrow.

00:09:06 SPEAKER_002: See how I'm feeling in the morning.

00:09:10 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:09:14 SPEAKER_002: Another longer quote.

00:09:17 SPEAKER_002: Longer quotes, please.

00:09:22 SPEAKER_002: Love is the bridge to departed second density companions.

00:09:26 SPEAKER_002: Mementos help, but they point beyond themselves.

00:09:31 SPEAKER_002: Love is not trapped in the past.

00:09:37 SPEAKER_002: Grief is valid, but it need not become a wall.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_002: Do not say that these associated emotions ought to be repressed.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_002: Creativity: feel, honor the connection; tap into that connection and that love; feel it and honor it.

00:10:04 SPEAKER_002: That is your means of communing and communicating.

00:10:09 SPEAKER_002: Yada yada.

00:10:11 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:10:13 SPEAKER_002: Creativity is both personal and transpersonal.

00:10:19 SPEAKER_004: Life itself is a creative act.

00:10:26 SPEAKER_004: The disciplined seeker becomes an instrument as the entity evolves.

00:10:47 SPEAKER_004: Creativity may be consciously tapped through disciplined work, and through discipline, work, and consciousness such that the entity can open the gateway and become a vessel through which potential may flow into manifestation.

00:11:02 SPEAKER_004: Everyday creativity is sacred too.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_004: Yep.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:11:06 SPEAKER_004: Cool.

00:11:10 SPEAKER_004: That's a lot of points.

00:11:20 SPEAKER_004: The creators both love and trust perform inspiration.

00:11:24 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:11:27 SPEAKER_004: Well, I don't know.

00:11:34 SPEAKER_004: It's not really a relatable topic for me, guys.

00:11:48 SPEAKER_004: I don't know if anyone else wants to delve into it more, or if we want to move on.

00:12:05 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I gotta remind you, you're recording this, and it is not relatable.

00:12:15 SPEAKER_004: You can tell by your yawning as you are talking.

00:12:23 SPEAKER_004: Sorry.

00:12:26 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I'm just saying you're recording it.

00:12:33 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, is that gonna come through clear on the recording?

00:12:41 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah.

00:12:49 SPEAKER_004: Well, you know, it is what it is.

00:12:56 SPEAKER_004: Like I've had no before.

00:13:11 SPEAKER_004: You know, but it's just like yeah, you know, they're there, and then you know when their time comes, then they're gone, and it's time to move on.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and yeah, and it's uh, I mean, even with people, it's the same principle.

00:13:48 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, love isn't contained within that relationship, no matter what kind of relationship.

00:14:06 SPEAKER_004: Uh, it's you know, it's more than just what you had at that time, and you know you gotta let go, be appreciative, and move on.

00:14:19 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, you know you gotta keep your eyes on the surf ahead.

00:14:29 SPEAKER_004: You know you can't look backwards too much, otherwise.

00:14:36 SPEAKER_004: Well, yeah, I mean you're gonna stumble.

00:14:45 SPEAKER_004: Well, if you do look backwards, a lot of times, like you said, you might need grief.

00:15:06 SPEAKER_004: You might need to go through a process, and letting go could take time, and if that's the case, and people are going through that, we gotta be compassionate.

00:15:20 SPEAKER_004: And we're going through that.

00:15:24 SPEAKER_004: We gotta be compassionate to ourselves.

00:15:28 SPEAKER_004: So fair enough.

00:15:30 SPEAKER_004: You know, I like.

00:15:42 SPEAKER_004: I know it's like everyone's at their own stage of spiritual growth, and different people process things differently.

00:15:54 SPEAKER_004: Like for some people, forgiveness is hard.

00:16:01 SPEAKER_004: You know, that's hard for me to even fathom.

00:16:06 SPEAKER_004: But it's true.

00:16:12 SPEAKER_004: It's and it's hard, and I know it is.

00:16:17 SPEAKER_004: And like.

00:16:22 SPEAKER_004: I know some people takes lifetimes, lifetimes to learn how to forgive.

00:16:33 SPEAKER_004: Well, people, some people can't say sorry.

00:16:45 SPEAKER_004: You know, I mean, they'd be like, "Sorry, I'm sorry that you feel that you need an apology," or something like that.

00:16:57 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:00 SPEAKER_004: Especially in America.

00:17:05 SPEAKER_004: Sorry that you feel you need an apology.

00:17:18 SPEAKER_004: In Canada, people are much more willing to say sorry, but whether they mean it is, who knows?

00:17:26 SPEAKER_004: Mean it?

00:17:28 SPEAKER_004: It's who knows.

00:17:34 SPEAKER_004: Well, usually you won't say it if you don't mean it.

00:17:43 SPEAKER_004: In Canada, legally saying sorry doesn't mean anything.

00:17:49 SPEAKER_004: Well, in America, it's you're legally liable if you apologize.

00:17:56 SPEAKER_004: That's an admission of guilt.

00:18:00 SPEAKER_004: Oh, I haven't heard that concept of law.

00:18:11 SPEAKER_004: I'd like to see how that one's played out in court.

00:18:20 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, but in Canada, if you say sorry, that doesn't mean anything.

00:18:30 SPEAKER_004: It's not an admission of guilt, because what do you call it?

00:18:40 SPEAKER_004: Canadians say sorry when they step on your toes.

00:18:47 SPEAKER_004: So it doesn't mean anything.

00:18:57 SPEAKER_004: Okay, sorry, my feet were in the way.

00:19:05 SPEAKER_004: You know.

00:19:10 SPEAKER_004: All right.

00:19:24 SPEAKER_002: Yes, we're grateful for this opportunity.

00:19:29 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:19:59 SPEAKER_002: But it's a notion out there that creativity and creative thought is outside of ourselves, and that we are receptacles for it, and I would just like to hear what Q'uo thinks about that,

00:20:14 SPEAKER_002: So creativity and creative thought outside ourselves.

00:20:22 SPEAKER_002: Okay, Ed would have a lot to say on this.

00:20:37 SPEAKER_002: Okay, those of Q'uo would be happy being those of Q'uo to share what those of Q'uo think on this rich question, our sister.

00:20:54 SPEAKER_002: Oh, I haven't heard from two lines or a Q'uo.

00:20:59 SPEAKER_002: Two lines refers to themselves.

00:21:03 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah, three times.

00:21:09 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:21:25 SPEAKER_002: As to the incarnate actor's relationship to creativity, is this an internal property or the third density entity's conscious mind or subconscious layers, or is it something impersonal, transpersonal that exists in the ether,

00:21:45 SPEAKER_002: so to speak, to which the third density entity becomes receptive and a vessel for?

00:21:56 SPEAKER_002: We in general would say that all things are true in this regard.

00:22:06 SPEAKER_002: The entity you are exists simultaneously on multiple planes, ultimately on all planes.

00:22:17 SPEAKER_002: And creativity, as you have framed it, is inherent in every aspect of creation and manifestation,

00:22:34 SPEAKER_002: and the universe or the creator experiencing itself from the simplest possible form of manifestation to the highest and most complex; life itself is one great creative act.

00:22:59 SPEAKER_002: The discernment of the mystery, or we could say, the mystery's discernment, to know itself and to invest itself in an endless exploration through a journey of mineness, is the wellspring of creativity.

00:23:13 SPEAKER_002: It is the root.

00:23:24 SPEAKER_002: It is the route whereby somehow undifferentiated intelligent infinity became modified or distorted in such a way that it could split into a subject and an object,

00:23:56 SPEAKER_006: seemingly such that it could look back upon itself and tap an infinite potential within intelligent infinity, such that this infinite intelligence became a potential to all forms of manifestation on all levels;

00:24:22 SPEAKER_002: a potential that is inherent in the inexorable upward movement of the spiraling light that drives change and evolution unremittingly.

00:24:48 SPEAKER_002: This creativity is experienced upon the lower levels of incarnate manifestation in an unconscious manner, but becomes a potential wish of potential, which as the entity evolves may be consciously tapped through disciplined work in consciousness,

00:25:15 SPEAKER_002: such that the entity can open the gateway and become a vessel through which this potential may flow into manifestation, making music of the entity according to their own highly unique energetic structure.

00:25:46 SPEAKER_002: That is the way that there on an outer level personality is configured: the biases, knowledge, learning, training, and experience that they have accumulated, and the various balances and activations of their energy system.

00:26:13 SPEAKER_002: These all become elements of a self that becomes a willing and surrendered instrument to this ultimate potential of creativity, the creative act of the creator.

00:26:36 SPEAKER_002: But to drop back to shall we say a more everyday level, creativity may be viewed within the entity's daily responses to the environment: A new and improved way to wash the clothing;

00:26:54 SPEAKER_002: an inspiration taken upon one's walk while in nature to produce a painting; an assembly of items to give form to some vision that has come to the self or arisen within the self;

00:27:07 SPEAKER_002: an idea of what a loved one just might like to receive as an expression of the love that you feel for them, and so forth.

00:27:27 SPEAKER_002: Or when engaged in conversation, the myriad pathways one may take in conversation all rely upon this creative use of one's energy, one's energies and knowledge, and openness to the moment.

00:27:34 SPEAKER_002: The more that one is able to empathize and listen and trust your own intuition and be present: the more creativity can flow.

00:27:59 SPEAKER_002: As we believe you are, sister, and as all within this room have experienced, there is a great joy and delight that erupts when engaged in such communication with another.

00:28:23 SPEAKER_002: When you become aware that there is creativity afoot within the dynamic, whether it's you and your partner or whomever you may be speaking to; whatever the size of the group:

00:28:42 SPEAKER_006: find ways to make each other laugh, or generate insight, or share your lives with one another in meaningful ways.

00:28:58 SPEAKER_006: It can tickle the heart when there is a mutual sense of discovery and movement into the unknown together, each empowering the other in this expression of creativity.

00:29:07 SPEAKER_006: It can be a product of one's own mentations, of their own analytical, intuitive processes;

00:29:26 SPEAKER_006: but from the standpoint of the third density entity which in its own real way seems to be set apart from all things: there is a greater and greater creativity that exists outside the self.

00:29:50 SPEAKER_006: One can rightly attribute some sense of life and autonomy even to ideas, to visions, to thoughts within the larger mind of the creator that want, in their way,

00:30:10 SPEAKER_002: to come into manifestation and are looking for a host, for a vessel sensitive and open; and in some cases trained with the right skill set to bring the idea to life.

00:30:23 SPEAKER_002: Amen.

00:30:26 SPEAKER_002: We pause to deepen this instrument's state.

00:30:43 SPEAKER_002: You our friends: you are at once your own generator shall we say, and in the deeper and larger sense vessels to that which is greater much greater than incarnate intelligence.

00:31:09 SPEAKER_002: And the more that you learn to exist in love and joy; a felt sense of interbeing and interconnectedness;

00:31:29 SPEAKER_002: and the more that you love yourself and trust those stirrings which appear within you for something wanting to be born: the more you can give power,

00:31:47 SPEAKER_002: shape and form to these creative impulses whatever or whatever may be their origin whether a mere product of your own mind or of an external shall we say source.

00:32:07 SPEAKER_002: You become that vessel through which light and its many forms infused with love flows.

00:32:16 SPEAKER_002: This is not to say that one must be perfectly balanced and happy.

00:32:34 SPEAKER_002: For many of course are the stories of the tormented soul who produces something of immense beauty in service to the world, be it the poem or the song or the painting.

00:32:51 SPEAKER_002: For suffering is also an important part of the equation which can drive creativity to new or heightened expressions;

00:33:17 SPEAKER_002: which can create need and desire to tap into that infinite potential to convey and translate one's private experiences or miseries or triumphs outward through the medium of story and song and art form,

00:33:41 SPEAKER_002: experienced and shared with others unlocking or opening their own conscious minds to that deeper mind which does not shall we say function or speak in rational terms or in strictly linear terms but is reached

00:33:57 SPEAKER_002: through those deeper emotive and connotative elements of the creative expression such as art broadly defined;

00:34:07 SPEAKER_002: music and performance and so forth.

00:34:11 SPEAKER_002: All right, is there a follow-up?

00:34:14 SPEAKER_002: Oh much food for thought on questions.

00:34:24 SPEAKER_002: And that's the final question of the session.

00:34:30 SPEAKER_002: Oh oh if you look down.

00:34:35 SPEAKER_002: Oh.

00:34:46 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, it's just the nice, ease of Q'uo exiting the channel.

00:34:51 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:34:53 SPEAKER_002: That's cool.

00:34:58 SPEAKER_002: All right, we'll get to that eventually.

00:35:04 SPEAKER_004: Okay, now for this one, we're only at eight o'clock, guys.

00:35:12 SPEAKER_004: Oh, it's daylight savings time, isn't it?

00:35:17 SPEAKER_004: Okay, points for seekers: creativity as vessel, flow, and sacred participation.

00:35:23 SPEAKER_004: Creativity is both within us and beyond us.

00:35:29 SPEAKER_004: Beyond, life itself is the Creator's creative act.

00:35:40 SPEAKER_004: The entity you are exists outside; you exist simultaneously on multiple planes, ultimately on all planes.

00:35:54 SPEAKER_004: And creativity, as you have framed it, is inherent in every aspect of creation, manifestation, and the universe.

00:36:11 SPEAKER_004: For the Creator, experiencing itself from the simplest possible form of manifestation to the highest and most complex, life itself is one great creative act.

00:36:27 SPEAKER_004: For seekers, every life, relationship, choice, and act of service is part of the Creator exploring itself through manyness.

00:37:03 SPEAKER_004: Creativity springs from the Mystery seeking to know itself.

00:37:55 SPEAKER_004: Who places creativity at the root of manifestation itself, the One becoming Many, so that the experience, reflection, and discovery can occur?

00:38:06 SPEAKER_002: Well, I think that answers the external question.

00:38:12 SPEAKER_004: Oh yeah, how does it answer it?

00:38:20 SPEAKER_002: Well, it says creativity springs from the Mystery seeking to know itself.

00:38:26 SPEAKER_002: Very good.

00:38:27 SPEAKER_002: Very good.

00:38:33 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, it's a spring; you know, because they ask if it's something external.

00:38:46 SPEAKER_002: If you go look at the question: "From the Mystery seeking to know itself."

00:38:53 SPEAKER_002: So I mean, that could be anything.

00:38:57 SPEAKER_002: What?

00:39:01 SPEAKER_002: Ah, the Mystery is the Creator.

00:39:03 SPEAKER_002: Hey Ed.

00:39:04 SPEAKER_002: Hello.

00:39:05 SPEAKER_002: Sorry about everybody.

00:39:17 SPEAKER_002: Me and my friend were in the middle of like some really hardcore philosophizing on things, and time ran away from me.

00:39:28 SPEAKER_002: Love you guys.

00:39:35 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, it's just this; this is exactly a topic you would be very much interested in.

00:39:43 SPEAKER_002: Yay!

00:39:45 SPEAKER_002: What is it?

00:39:50 SPEAKER_002: So it's about the question: if creativity comes from within or externally.

00:39:55 SPEAKER_002: Oh brilliant!

00:39:56 SPEAKER_002: Yay!

00:39:58 SPEAKER_002: What is it?

00:40:02 SPEAKER_002: We're just channeling Creator.

00:40:08 SPEAKER_002: And so, well, yeah.

00:40:14 SPEAKER_002: So their answer was that it's everything; so it's both internal and external.

00:40:22 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, don't do that.

00:40:25 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, angels whispering in your ear.

00:40:35 SPEAKER_002: You know you use divine inspiration plus a little bit of human creativity here and there.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:49 SPEAKER_002: And the vessel's ability to manifest the idea: life itself is the Creator's creative act.

00:40:56 SPEAKER_002: And here we are; part three.

00:41:03 SPEAKER_002: Here it says creativity springs from the Mystery seeking to know itself.

00:41:19 SPEAKER_002: The discernment of the Mystery, or we could say the mysterious discernment of the Mystery, to know itself and to invest itself in an endless exploration through a journey of manyness,

00:41:37 SPEAKER_002: is a wellspring of creativity for seekers.

00:41:47 SPEAKER_002: Creativity is sacred because it participates in the same movement by which the Creator becomes known to itself.

00:42:01 SPEAKER_002: So yes, we were trying to decipher what the Mystery was, but yeah Bill says it's the Infinite Creator.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_002: I think I think that the Mystery is you know the Whole.

00:42:25 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, that's why we're veiled isn't it?

00:42:30 SPEAKER_002: You know everything begins and ends a mystery right?

00:42:36 SPEAKER_002: Yep yep fair enough I know.

00:42:41 SPEAKER_002: I was at a church and the guy was like "Oh Mystery.

00:42:47 SPEAKER_002: That's for the Orthodox."

00:42:50 SPEAKER_002: Like there's no mystery for the Protestants.

00:42:59 SPEAKER_004: They know what the confession is.

00:43:01 SPEAKER_004: They know.

00:43:04 SPEAKER_004: No mystery to us.

00:43:11 SPEAKER_004: God has not moved the mist; God does not move in mysterious ways at all.

00:43:21 SPEAKER_004: Yeah it's like no, it's the whole truth of the Bible or something like that.

00:43:29 SPEAKER_004: It's like, but people just interpret it differently.

00:43:32 SPEAKER_004: There's no mystery.

00:43:34 SPEAKER_004: Okay, okay.

00:43:37 SPEAKER_004: We we have we have all the answers.

00:43:43 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, basically, we know everything.

00:43:50 SPEAKER_004: Ah, yeah, how little they know, because we know everything, right guys?

00:44:02 SPEAKER_004: I'm seeing everything, even though the visible spectrum of light is two percent or one percent.

00:44:09 SPEAKER_004: I see everything.

00:44:14 SPEAKER_004: That's it, man.

00:44:19 SPEAKER_004: That's it.

00:44:22 SPEAKER_004: Think mantis shrimp.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_004: You know, we've got three color receptors.

00:44:30 SPEAKER_004: How rubbish are our eyes?

00:44:34 SPEAKER_004: But we see everything.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_004: Seventeen colors.

00:44:44 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, anything we can't see isn't there.

00:44:50 SPEAKER_002: Oh man, clean goal.

00:44:53 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, so that's.

00:44:58 SPEAKER_002: Man, playing Go.

00:45:00 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, tell that to Wi-Fi.

00:45:02 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

00:45:09 SPEAKER_002: Tell that to the cancer I'm getting in my brain from the Wi-Fi.

00:45:17 SPEAKER_002: Oh man.

00:45:27 SPEAKER_002: Well, you know, cancer is healed by forgiving resentment.

00:45:32 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:45:38 SPEAKER_002: Why are you so angry at the Wi-Fi?

00:45:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, actually, brain cancer comes from when people are resentful of their own thoughts.

00:46:03 SPEAKER_002: So to actually...

00:46:16 SPEAKER_002: So it actually happens a lot to like devout Christian people, who are like, "Oh no, I had a sinful thought," and they have all this resentment,

00:46:37 SPEAKER_002: and they don't enter that space of like forgiveness for themselves having thoughts, and then that gives them brain cancer.

00:46:51 SPEAKER_002: Ah, they better stop looking at porn and masturbating, or thinking about it.

00:46:58 SPEAKER_002: Well, the point is not that they have to stop.

00:47:13 SPEAKER_002: The point is that they have to learn how to forgive themselves for having thoughts, you know, because that's actually following Christ, you know, forgiveness and love.

00:47:25 SPEAKER_002: Getting back down...

00:47:34 SPEAKER_002: I mean, getting back up.

00:47:41 SPEAKER_002: Okay, you follow this.

00:47:46 SPEAKER_002: Okay, the discipline seeker becomes a conscious instrument.

00:47:58 SPEAKER_002: The creativity is experienced upon lower levels of incarnate manifestation in an unconscious manner, but becomes a potential which, as the entity evolves, may be consciously tapped through disciplined work in consciousness,

00:48:18 SPEAKER_002: such that the entity can open the gateway and become a vessel through which this potential may flow into manifestation.

00:48:28 SPEAKER_002: Meditation, balancing, contemplation, honesty, and service make the instrument clear.

00:48:34 SPEAKER_002: Amen.

00:48:37 SPEAKER_002: Your unique personality shapes the music that comes through you.

00:48:47 SPEAKER_002: Q'uo does not say the personality must disappear; rather, the person's experience, training, biases...

00:49:02 SPEAKER_002: As experienced training biases become the instrument through which creativity takes form, making music of the entity according to their own highly unique energetic structure—that is, the way they are on the outer lover functionalities configured,

00:49:24 SPEAKER_002: the biases, knowledge, learning, training, and experience that they have accumulated, and the various balances and activations of their systems.

00:49:37 SPEAKER_002: For seekers, your wounds, skills, temperament, memories, and loves are not accidental.

00:49:43 SPEAKER_002: Building relationships...

00:49:44 SPEAKER_002: Someone's building relationships.

00:49:49 SPEAKER_002: They are part of the instrument's tone.

00:49:56 SPEAKER_002: Everyday responses are creative acts.

00:50:02 SPEAKER_002: Creativity may be viewed within the entity's daily responses to the environment.

00:50:08 SPEAKER_002: A new and improved way to wash the clothing.

00:50:14 SPEAKER_002: An inspiration taken upon one walk while in nature to produce a painting.

00:50:22 SPEAKER_002: An assembly of items to give form to some vision that has come to the self or arisen within the self,

00:50:34 SPEAKER_002: an idea of what a loved one just might like to receive as an expression of the love that you feel for them, and so forth.

00:50:42 SPEAKER_002: Okay, presence, empathy, and intuition open the flow.

00:50:47 SPEAKER_002: When engaged in conversation, the myriad pathways open, and they take in...

00:50:57 SPEAKER_002: Conversation all rely upon the creative use of one's energy and knowledge and openness to the moment, like Ed's philosophizing with his friend.

00:51:09 SPEAKER_002: The more that one is able to emphasize, empathize, and listen, and trust their own intuition and be present, the more creativity can flow.

00:51:21 SPEAKER_002: Shared creativity brings joy and mutual discovery.

00:51:29 SPEAKER_006: There's a great joy and delight that erupts when engaged in such communication with another.

00:51:43 SPEAKER_006: When you become aware that there's creativity afoot within the dynamic, finding ways to make each other laugh, generate insight, or to share your lives with one another in meaningful ways,

00:51:59 SPEAKER_006: one can rightfully attribute some sense of life and autonomy even to ideas, to visions, to thoughts, within the larger mind of the Creator that wants, in their way, to come into manifestation, and are looking,

00:52:22 SPEAKER_004: as you may see it, for a host, for a vessel, a sensitive, open, in some case trained with the right skill set to bring idea into life.

00:52:39 SPEAKER_004: This... this is one really resonated with me.

00:52:44 SPEAKER_004: You know what do you?

00:52:53 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I think that's well good because like that is fully how I kind of try and do things.

00:53:15 SPEAKER_004: You know, I just learn all this stuff, yeah, and then I just sit back and let the inspiration come to me, and all the stuff I've learned... there's a reason for it.

00:53:32 SPEAKER_004: There's a reason I learned all this weird shit.

00:53:38 SPEAKER_004: There's every book I read.

00:53:56 SPEAKER_004: There's a reason why I read that book, because I needed those bits of information so that when the inspiration comes to me, I've got all of the Lego bricks I need to build the model.

00:54:14 SPEAKER_004: You know what I'm saying?

00:54:18 SPEAKER_004: Uh huh.

00:54:20 SPEAKER_004: Uh huh.

00:54:34 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and it says here: for a host of vessel, sensitive and open, and in some cases trained with the right skill set to bring idea into life.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_004: Idea into life.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, that's what I'm chatting about.

00:54:55 SPEAKER_004: I've got that skillset.

00:54:58 SPEAKER_004: You know exactly...

00:55:03 SPEAKER_004: Listen, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:17 SPEAKER_004: Because I know I've spent so much time reading books on how to write things properly, and so I've gotten like fairly decent at writing emails now, and it's cool.

00:55:33 SPEAKER_004: I can write some really good emails now.

00:55:40 SPEAKER_004: That is not something I've ever learned.

00:55:45 SPEAKER_004: You know, I need to write things.

00:55:51 SPEAKER_004: As a dyslexic, it's just cruelly rubbish.

00:55:55 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I hear you.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I know.

00:56:10 SPEAKER_004: Like one guy told me that my writing is so good he thinks it's a gift from God.

00:56:24 SPEAKER_004: You know, I put a lot of effort into it.

00:56:31 SPEAKER_004: See, most people... they're like, "Yeah, is that your writing?

00:56:39 SPEAKER_004: That's scribble."

00:56:43 SPEAKER_004: Oh yeah, yeah.

00:56:48 SPEAKER_004: No, I don't mean like my handwriting.

00:56:54 SPEAKER_004: They think it's all AI.

00:57:01 SPEAKER_004: You know, and I mean kind of like good luck getting the results I get.

00:57:10 SPEAKER_004: Good luck.

00:57:15 SPEAKER_004: I've done the same thing in every undergraduate class.

00:57:23 SPEAKER_004: When I was doing my undergrad, I took every single English class I could.

00:57:34 SPEAKER_004: Not the reading stuff; the writing, verbs, nouns... you got five parts of speech really.

00:57:43 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:57:48 SPEAKER_004: And it's all about bringing those ideas to life.

00:57:53 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:57:56 SPEAKER_004: Grammar, spelling, punctuation, then function, and something else.

00:58:01 SPEAKER_004: Cool.

00:58:07 SPEAKER_004: We are generators and vessels at the same time.

00:58:12 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:58:23 SPEAKER_004: For me, like my slant on writing is more about persuasion and captivating the audience to get them to complete the reading.

00:58:46 SPEAKER_004: You know...

00:58:48 SPEAKER_004: you got to hook the reader, and you have to have payoffs, regular payoffs through your article in order to get them to finish it all the way to the end.

00:59:08 SPEAKER_004: You know, it's kind of like those books that you pick up and then just can't put down.

00:59:18 SPEAKER_004: That kind of writing.

00:59:23 SPEAKER_004: You know...

00:59:26 SPEAKER_004: I focus on that, but trying to be educational too.

00:59:32 SPEAKER_004: It's not fiction, dude.

00:59:34 SPEAKER_004: It's marketing.

00:59:43 SPEAKER_004: Well, I guess it's kind of marketing, but it's also political advocacy and spiritual.

00:59:52 SPEAKER_004: That's marketing.

00:59:55 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, no, definitely.

01:00:05 SPEAKER_004: I've read a bunch of books on marketing too, and like how to structure stories for marketing.

01:00:20 SPEAKER_004: And there's so much... so much to learn.

01:00:28 SPEAKER_004: We are generators and vessels at the same time.

01:00:45 SPEAKER_004: You, our friends, are once your own generator, shall we say, and in a deeper and larger sense, vessels to that which is greater—much greater than incarnate intelligence.

01:01:08 SPEAKER_004: Sure, the creative current becomes more available as the seeker learns to live in connection and trust.

01:01:26 SPEAKER_006: The more that you learn to exist in love and joy, in a felt sense of interbeing or interconnectedness,

01:01:45 SPEAKER_006: and the more that you love yourself and trust those stirrings which appear within you for something wanting to be born...

01:01:56 SPEAKER_006: the more that you can give power and shape and form to these creative impulses,

01:02:04 SPEAKER_006: wherever or whatever may be their origin.

01:02:13 SPEAKER_006: For seekers, self-love here is not ego inflation; it is trust in the Creator's movement within the self.

01:02:23 SPEAKER_006: Suffering can be transmuted into beauty and service.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_004: Q'uo makes room for the wounded artist and the struggling seeker.

01:02:38 SPEAKER_004: Perfect balance is not required.

01:02:45 SPEAKER_004: This is not to say that one must be perfectly balanced and happy.

01:03:01 SPEAKER_004: For many, of course...

01:03:03 SPEAKER_006: are the stories of the tormented soul who produce something of immense beauty and service to the whole: be it the poem, the song, or the painting, like books.

01:03:22 SPEAKER_006: Creative expression can open the deeper mind to convey and translate one's private experiences—or miseries, triumphs—and so forth—outward through the medium of story and song and art form... experienced and

01:03:39 SPEAKER_006: Shared with others, unlocking or opening their own conscious minds to the deeper mind, which does not function or speak in rational terms or in strictly linear terms.

01:03:54 SPEAKER_006: For seekers, story, song, image, symbol, and performance can serve as gateways into the Deeper Mind.

01:04:01 SPEAKER_006: Creativity is the Creator's life moving through the seeker.

01:04:11 SPEAKER_006: It comes from within, from beyond, and from the mysterious meeting point between the two.

01:04:23 SPEAKER_004: The task is to become a loving, present, disciplined, and surrendered instrument through which Light can take form.

01:04:31 SPEAKER_004: All right.

01:04:35 SPEAKER_004: So you said that was the last one.

01:04:41 SPEAKER_004: Okay, so we're going to the next one.

01:04:47 SPEAKER_004: Yep, it was April eleventh, April twenty-fifth.

01:04:51 SPEAKER_004: We're catching up, guys.

01:04:54 SPEAKER_004: Yep.

01:04:56 SPEAKER_004: Love versus fear-based boundaries and other stuff.

01:04:59 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_004: Hello, Q'uo.

01:05:07 SPEAKER_006: How can I recognize when setting a boundary is an act of love that supports my spiritual growth, rather than a reaction rooted in fear or separation?

01:05:16 SPEAKER_006: Okay, you get started.

01:05:20 SPEAKER_006: I have to go get some water.

01:05:22 SPEAKER_006: Okay.

01:05:29 SPEAKER_006: Oh, this is a good question: Setting a boundary rather than reacting in fear for spiritual growth.

01:05:35 SPEAKER_006: Okay.

01:05:38 SPEAKER_004: Thank you for your query, my sister.

01:05:46 SPEAKER_004: We shall do our best to give you our opinion.

01:06:06 SPEAKER_006: When you seek to be of service to others, you are setting your intention to give your highest and best effort in whatever way you feel that your heart desires.

01:06:18 SPEAKER_006: Your mind may have an opinion; take that into account.

01:06:31 SPEAKER_006: But as you survey the situation that you are seeking to serve—where someone has been abused—and you wish to step in to be of service—that is how you can do this.

01:06:44 SPEAKER_004: In our opinion, it is to spend some time in meditation before actually making a decision.

01:06:52 SPEAKER_004: Ask your guides, your Higher Self, and the Creator; they are all available.

01:07:03 SPEAKER_004: They will give you maybe words, maybe images, or maybe just a feeling.

01:07:09 SPEAKER_004: Open yourself to any type of contact.

01:07:23 SPEAKER_002: And when you come out of meditation, then make that journey to the person or place—whatever time feels right—to express your heart to everyone who needs to hear what you have to say in our opinion.

01:07:55 SPEAKER_002: You have within you all your pre-incarnated choices as to how you will serve others, and that will become more obvious to you as you move through the process of following your heart.

01:08:10 SPEAKER_002: The Heart of Your Being has the Creator within.

01:08:15 SPEAKER_002: Follow your heart.

01:08:17 SPEAKER_002: Do your best.

01:08:19 SPEAKER_002: Make no judgments.

01:08:21 SPEAKER_002: Love everyone.

01:08:24 SPEAKER_002: I guess Andre's still getting his water.

01:08:27 SPEAKER_002: Hello!

01:08:29 SPEAKER_002: Oh, we're here.

01:08:33 SPEAKER_002: Oh, were you not reading?

01:08:37 SPEAKER_002: No, we're done; I was done.

01:08:43 SPEAKER_002: It was a kind of short one.

01:08:47 SPEAKER_002: Oh man, it was only two paragraphs long.

01:08:50 SPEAKER_002: Sorry about that, guys.

01:08:55 SPEAKER_002: It's all right—just dead air for your YouTube viewers.

01:09:01 SPEAKER_002: Oh well, whatever.

01:09:03 SPEAKER_002: There are no viewers anyway.

01:09:08 SPEAKER_002: This stuff is way too advanced for most people.

01:09:28 SPEAKER_002: Like... well, in 150 years when people are starting to get it, this little thing we're doing is just gonna come out of nowhere.

01:09:41 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, it's gonna be like all text transcripts by then, you know?

01:09:51 SPEAKER_002: Because the internet will have been dead for who knows how long!

01:09:56 SPEAKER_002: Oh wow!

01:09:59 SPEAKER_002: Well, who knows?

01:10:02 SPEAKER_002: I mean, maybe someone will have some recordings.

01:10:06 SPEAKER_002: It's impossible... or possible?

01:10:09 SPEAKER_002: Um, just compression over time.

01:10:19 SPEAKER_002: Okay, now for... oh yeah, I am trying to get all of this—all these meetings—transcribed so we can print them out and have them for posterity.

01:10:32 SPEAKER_002: A loving boundary begins with intention to serve.

01:10:44 SPEAKER_002: When you seek to be of service to others, you are setting your intention to give your highest and best effort in whatever you feel that your heart desires.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_002: A boundary is more likely to be loving when it arises from the desire to serve the Highest Good, not from punishment, control, or rejection.

01:11:21 SPEAKER_002: The mind may advise, but the heart must lead.

01:11:29 SPEAKER_002: Your mind may have an opinion; take that into account.

01:11:38 SPEAKER_002: Listen to the mind, but do not encrown it.

01:11:46 SPEAKER_002: The mind can help name patterns, risks, and consequences, while the Heart discerns the loving movement.

01:12:06 SPEAKER_002: As you survey the situation that you are seeking to serve—where someone has been abused—and you wish to step in and be of service—a boundary can be an act of love when it interrupts harm,

01:12:26 SPEAKER_002: protects dignity, or creates the condition for healing.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_002: Meditation is the pause that purifies the motive.

01:12:37 SPEAKER_002: Before acting, Q'uo recommends stillness; this pause helps separate reactive fear from deeper guidance.

01:12:59 SPEAKER_002: The way that you can do this, in our opinion, is to spend some time in meditation before actually making a decision.

01:13:16 SPEAKER_002: For seekers: before setting a boundary, pause long enough to ask: Am I contracting away from love, or am I becoming clear enough to serve love?

01:13:29 SPEAKER_004: Guidance is available, but it may come subtly.

01:13:39 SPEAKER_002: Q'uo names several sources of inner help: guides, the Higher Self, and the Creator.

01:13:49 SPEAKER_004: The answer may not arrive as a sentence.

01:13:56 SPEAKER_004: Ask your guides; ask your Higher Self; ask the Creator—they are all available.

01:14:06 SPEAKER_004: They will give you maybe words, maybe images, or maybe just a feeling.

01:14:23 SPEAKER_004: First seekers: discernment may come as peace, an image, a bodily knowing, a phrase, or a quiet sense of right timing.

01:14:33 SPEAKER_002: A loving boundary is spoken from the heart.

01:14:47 SPEAKER_002: When you come out of meditation, then make the journey to the person or place—whatever time feels right—to express your heart to everyone who needs to hear what you have to say.

01:15:01 SPEAKER_002: Don't chew on your shirt—or something like that!

01:15:04 SPEAKER_002: Right?

01:15:08 SPEAKER_002: The tone matters.

01:15:14 SPEAKER_002: A boundary rooted in love says what is true while still honoring the beingness of all involved.

01:15:25 SPEAKER_002: Chewing on your short will ruin it, and then you'll get a rash.

01:15:36 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, you know this analysis is like three times longer than the actual quote.

01:15:43 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I believe it!

01:15:51 SPEAKER_002: You have within yourself all your pre-incarnated choices as to how you will serve others.

01:15:59 SPEAKER_002: The final instruction is simple but demanding: Follow your heart.

01:16:02 SPEAKER_002: Do your best.

01:16:05 SPEAKER_002: Make no judgments.

01:16:06 SPEAKER_002: Love everyone.

01:16:09 SPEAKER_002: That's the last line of that section.

01:16:13 SPEAKER_002: I think that would be what you like most, Andre.

01:16:19 SPEAKER_004: Thank you!

01:16:24 SPEAKER_004: That last line...

01:16:25 SPEAKER_004: Oh Eric?

01:16:28 SPEAKER_004: Well, we still have three left—there's Ed and Bill and Fred.

01:16:37 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, Eric hit the road; he's got some accounting to do.

01:16:42 SPEAKER_004: Cool.

01:16:58 SPEAKER_004: I kind of have a follow-up question to that last answer, which was so informative: But I find a lot of times we're put in these stressful situations right in our face immediately,

01:17:16 SPEAKER_004: without time to sit back and let our Higher Self guide us.

01:17:33 SPEAKER_004: In those times of high stress and conflict, how can we positively influence—especially the people we work with and around all the time—in a positive light, without infringing on their free will?

01:17:49 SPEAKER_004: At the same time... here's another two-paragraph answer!

01:17:53 SPEAKER_004: Oh, okay.

01:17:55 SPEAKER_004: I won't go anywhere.

01:18:00 SPEAKER_004: "I am Q'uo," he said, "and I'm aware of your querying my sister."

01:18:17 SPEAKER_004: The time period of the present moment that strikes without warning can be viewed the same way you wish to view every portion of your life:

01:18:36 SPEAKER_004: share again from your heart—what does your Heart want to do in the moment?

01:18:43 SPEAKER_004: Not your mind.

01:18:51 SPEAKER_004: Your mind will have an immediate reaction; think about it for an instant, but then go to your Heart.

01:19:02 SPEAKER_004: The Creator's love will help you do what needs to be done.

01:19:22 SPEAKER_004: This is something that will come to you when you ask for it right now.

01:19:50 SPEAKER_002: This is something you can do any time you face a difficult situation—and you must realize: difficult situations give you a chance to grow!

01:20:10 SPEAKER_002: If you had no difficult situations, you would stay the same; you would not move forward on your spiritual journey.

01:20:20 SPEAKER_002: So open your heart wide.

01:20:22 SPEAKER_002: Share it fully.

01:20:23 SPEAKER_002: Love everyone—including yourself.

01:20:23 SPEAKER_002: See the Creator in all, including yourself, and do what your Heart wants you to do in every instant of your life.

01:20:24 SPEAKER_002: Boy!

01:20:24 SPEAKER_002: Those mind-analysis guys—the analytical ones, the logic guys—they don't want that kind of answer.

01:20:26 SPEAKER_002: Hmm?

01:20:26 SPEAKER_002: Yeah...

01:20:27 SPEAKER_002: You know I know: like if you were to try this in a lot of Protestant churches, they're like, "That's the devil!"

01:20:27 SPEAKER_002: Yeah yeah no—I know people like that.

01:20:28 SPEAKER_002: The heart is useless bullshit!

01:20:28 SPEAKER_002: Yada yada oh—you know because there's that verse somewhere in the Bible where it says all iniquity comes from the Heart?

01:20:28 SPEAKER_002: That's what it says.

01:20:28 SPEAKER_002: No wait I know guys Christians who say if you listen to your heart, you're being deceived—and you're actually listening to the devil.

01:20:29 SPEAKER_002: Yes, yes, exactly, exactly, yes.

01:20:29 SPEAKER_002: Okay, you've heard that line too.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_002: Oh, yeah, I hear it all the time.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_002: It's like, okay, yeah, okay, okay.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_002: Because your heart represents your passions, you know, your uh, the uh, yeah, your your uh, un, you know, untamed thinking or whatever. because you always got to be in control.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_002: In your heart, you can't control.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_002: Adam says, "What's those cool sessions about?"

01:20:32 SPEAKER_002: Sto not being like you imitate family or household.

01:20:32 SPEAKER_002: Oh, immediate.

01:20:32 SPEAKER_002: Oh, okay, okay.

01:20:34 SPEAKER_002: Uh, so basically, because yeah, your immediate family and household—that's yellow, right?

01:20:34 SPEAKER_002: Household, that's yellow ray, and in order to get the service to others, you have to have forgiveness, love, and kindness to complete strangers.

01:20:34 SPEAKER_002: Okay, thank you.

01:20:35 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, you're welcome.

01:20:35 SPEAKER_002: Ah, there it is.

01:20:35 SPEAKER_002: I found it.

01:20:35 SPEAKER_002: The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.

01:20:36 SPEAKER_002: Who can know it?

01:20:36 SPEAKER_002: There we go.

01:20:36 SPEAKER_002: Jeremiah's warning against.

01:20:37 SPEAKER_002: Oh!

01:20:38 SPEAKER_002: Oh!

01:20:38 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:20:38 SPEAKER_002: Oh!

01:20:40 SPEAKER_002: Wow!

01:20:40 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:20:41 SPEAKER_002: Ah.

01:20:42 SPEAKER_002: It's in the Bible.

01:20:42 SPEAKER_002: That's what—that's where they're getting this from.

01:20:42 SPEAKER_002: Oh my God!

01:20:42 SPEAKER_002: Cursed be the man, the trustified man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

01:20:43 SPEAKER_002: Then comes the—the heart is deceitful above all things.

01:20:44 SPEAKER_002: So the target is not love, compassion, or divine guidance.

01:20:44 SPEAKER_002: The target is the heart departed from God, the heart ruled by fear, pride, appetite, self-justification, tribalism, or rebellion.

01:20:44 SPEAKER_002: This is very close to Q'uo's distinction between the mind's immediate reaction and the deeper heart.

01:20:44 SPEAKER_002: Koo says, "Your mind will have an immediate reaction.

01:20:45 SPEAKER_002: Think about it for an instant, but then go to your heart."

01:20:45 SPEAKER_002: But biblically, you would add, "Go to the heart only as it is turned toward God."

01:20:45 SPEAKER_002: Right.

01:20:46 SPEAKER_002: Right.

01:20:50 SPEAKER_002: So, really, what they're in that they're really saying that the mind they should replace mind with heart because it's the mind that that reacts that way, and I mean for clarity,

01:20:50 SPEAKER_002: they could also substitute God for love.

01:20:50 SPEAKER_002: You know, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart.

01:20:50 SPEAKER_002: Create in me, here the Bible is not simply anti-heart.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: It repeatedly commands a transformed heart.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: Create in me a clean heart, O God.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: I will put my law on their inward parts and write it in their hearts.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: So, Kuo's heart means love center, not random emotion.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_002: Koo says, "What does your heart want to do in the moment, not your mind?"

01:20:52 SPEAKER_002: This should not mean do whatever emotion appears first.

01:20:52 SPEAKER_002: Better reading is: listen beneath the first surge of fear, anger, pride, panic, or self-protection.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_002: Seek the place of love, compassion, courage, and unity.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_002: This is much closer to the Christian idea of discerning the movement of charity, consciousness, and spirit.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_002: Simply trusting one's impulses.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_002: The Christian correction, beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God.

01:20:55 SPEAKER_002: The heart must be tested.

01:20:55 SPEAKER_002: The bridge between them.

01:20:55 SPEAKER_002: So the reconciliation is: Jeremiah warns, "Do not trust the unexamined heart."

01:20:56 SPEAKER_002: Who advises, "Return from mental activity to the heart of love."

01:20:57 SPEAKER_002: Christian discernment completes it.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_002: Let the heart be purified, tested, and surrendered to God.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_002: So instead of saying, "Follow your heart," in the shallow modern sense.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_002: The safer formulation is: follow the heart only as it is open to God, purified by love, tested by wisdom, and free from fear-based reactions.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_002: That preserves Ko's teaching while honoring Jeremiah's warning.

01:20:59 SPEAKER_002: There you go.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_002: Okay, that's nice.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, basically, that's this is how I have to say it when I'm in a Christian circle.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_002: It's a good thing you got to say I. Yeah, yeah.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_002: Well, you know, I say it in like my own way.

01:21:01 SPEAKER_002: You know, but they usually get it, and sometimes there's a little back and forth.

01:21:01 SPEAKER_002: They're like, you know, but oh my god, it's hard competing with that Christian dogma.

01:21:01 SPEAKER_002: Tell you what, yeah, yeah, you're probably really good at it.

01:21:02 SPEAKER_002: Thanks, yeah.

01:21:03 SPEAKER_002: Well, I got a lot of practice.

01:21:05 SPEAKER_002: I mean, yeah, you know, it's 95% white, and it's like 80% Christian, so around here, anyways, maybe seventy-five percent.

01:21:05 SPEAKER_002: I don't know, something like that.

01:21:06 SPEAKER_002: It's very high.

01:21:06 SPEAKER_002: We thank you, my sister, for giving us a chance to be of service.

01:21:07 SPEAKER_002: Okay, transferring the contact.

01:21:07 SPEAKER_002: Okay, I have a query, Kuo.

01:21:07 SPEAKER_002: Thank you, first of all, for being here with us.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_002: So sometimes we have certain traumatic events in our lives that we know have affected us deeply.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_002: Been told about them.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_002: We even remember certain parts of these traumatic events.

01:21:09 SPEAKER_002: Sometimes we worked on healing deeply and have forgiven everything around these events.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_002: But my question is: sometimes our brains are...

01:21:10 SPEAKER_002: My question is: Sometimes our brains, our conscious selves, don't or can't remember what happened.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_002: So personally, I find it easy to forgive myself or others when it feels distant.

01:21:11 SPEAKER_002: Sometimes in that process of healing, it feels like the healing is therefore limited because we haven't gone deep into the catalyst and everything the catalyst has to offer.

01:21:11 SPEAKER_002: I'm wondering: Is that true?

01:21:11 SPEAKER_002: Is it true that in order to heal fully, or you know, to bring the healing to a situation in our hearts, into our mind, into our souls,

01:21:12 SPEAKER_002: do we have to understand everything that happened in the situation, or at least be consciously aware of it all?

01:21:12 SPEAKER_002: And if the answer is yes, how do we know...

01:21:12 SPEAKER_002: We retrieve the memories, and how do we go back so that we actually go to work?

01:21:14 SPEAKER_002: Okay, I think we get the point.

01:21:14 SPEAKER_002: That's a good fucking question.

01:21:14 SPEAKER_002: Oh, you like it, eh?

01:21:15 SPEAKER_002: Oh, okay.

01:21:15 SPEAKER_002: Well, I'm glad you like it.

01:21:15 SPEAKER_002: Okay, fine.

01:21:15 SPEAKER_002: I'll finish it so that we actually do the work and give all the love that we can,

01:21:15 SPEAKER_002: all the love and light that we can to a situation that might have been a very important catalyst for us.

01:21:16 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:21:16 SPEAKER_002: Personally, I think all catalysts are like creativity.

01:21:16 SPEAKER_002: All catalysts are created equal, and if you process one or another, who cares?

01:21:17 SPEAKER_002: But go ahead, Bill.

01:21:18 SPEAKER_002: Oh, oh, okay.

01:21:18 SPEAKER_002: I was just gonna say, right?

01:21:18 SPEAKER_002: Go ahead.

01:21:19 SPEAKER_002: This actually kind of matters a bit to me, because, like, yeah, like when we were saying ages ago, I went through all the different therapies and all the different healings and all different stuff,

01:21:19 SPEAKER_002: you know.

01:21:19 SPEAKER_002: And I still had all this stuff I was carrying around, you know.

01:21:20 SPEAKER_002: And it took real steps to kind of accept and stuff.

01:21:21 SPEAKER_002: So I want to know why...

01:21:21 SPEAKER_002: You know, you have this catalyst that you don't understand these things that happen to you when you were really young that you can't remember.

01:21:21 SPEAKER_002: How are you supposed to do anything about those things?

01:21:21 SPEAKER_002: You know, how are you supposed to understand them?

01:21:22 SPEAKER_002: So yeah, that's a...

01:21:22 SPEAKER_002: I like this question.

01:21:22 SPEAKER_002: Looking forward to the answer.

01:21:23 SPEAKER_002: Okay, cool.

01:21:23 SPEAKER_002: Go ahead, Bill.

01:21:23 SPEAKER_002: All right, I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of this query.

01:21:23 SPEAKER_002: My sister, we thank you for this deep and important query that is incredibly relevant to you as a people within the third density,

01:21:24 SPEAKER_002: for the veil works in interesting ways that allows experiences such as the trauma that you reference to become buried and forgotten.

01:21:24 SPEAKER_002: There are various mechanisms, from our perspective, that allow this to happen, both metaphysical and physical or biological, whereby your brain itself tends to work in order to cover up certain memories as a survival mechanism.

01:21:26 SPEAKER_002: You may say, and thus the event gets buried deep within the unconscious mind.

01:21:26 SPEAKER_002: But as you may be aware, this does not mean that it is fully healed.

01:21:26 SPEAKER_002: It may live within the mind and within the body without your conscious awareness.

01:21:27 SPEAKER_002: We appreciate the framing of your question; that seems to understand how to bring true essential healing to such circumstances.

01:21:27 SPEAKER_002: For it makes logical sense.

01:21:27 SPEAKER_002: You may say that in order to actually heal something, you must know what that thing is, and you must become aware of it, so that you can consciously and fully acknowledge it as perfect,

01:21:28 SPEAKER_002: despite the difficulty, so that you can become aware of its role within your life path and the potential gifts that it has to offer you, despite the difficulty that it presented to you,

01:21:28 SPEAKER_002: and the continuing difficulty that you may experience through its being buried deep within the cell.

01:21:28 SPEAKER_002: The central aspect of your query questions whether or not it is important to actually become aware of the specific details of the circumstances and the various distortions that have gone into creating that trauma and

01:21:28 SPEAKER_002: creating that wound within the self.

01:21:29 SPEAKER_002: This is a very individual query.

01:21:29 SPEAKER_002: We may say for healing...

01:21:29 SPEAKER_002: For healing is incredibly individual, and how it happens for each individual in terms of the path of arriving at that healing is unique.

01:21:30 SPEAKER_002: However, in our understanding, there is but one ultimate framing of healing,

01:21:30 SPEAKER_002: and that is the realization within the self of the perfection of both those things that seem perfect and good and bring comfort and joy within the self,

01:21:30 SPEAKER_002: along with those things that seem to be distorted, that seem to bring discomfort or even pain or resurging trauma.

01:21:30 SPEAKER_002: And seeing all of these things as whole and perfect, and nothing out of place or essentially distorted, this realization is what we understand to provide essential healing.

01:21:31 SPEAKER_002: When framing...

01:21:31 SPEAKER_002: One framing of your question: one way to look at this connection between healing and those things buried within the self,

01:21:32 SPEAKER_002: is that one may be operating in life not knowing that they are carrying certain wounds,

01:21:32 SPEAKER_002: and may be so buried within the unconscious mind that they are completely out of the perception of the conscious mind.

01:21:32 SPEAKER_002: However, it is our understanding and our experience of the third density being that, though these things may be forgotten, if they still live deep within the self, and if the wounds are still present,

01:21:32 SPEAKER_002: they will manifest in various ways.

01:21:33 SPEAKER_002: Whether it is through the distorted perception of the entity, or whether it is through the behavior of the entity, the entity may be blind to what is motivating their actions,

01:21:34 SPEAKER_002: with what is painting their perception, and they may not understand or realize that they are being influenced by this persisting wound.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_002: However, it is also our understanding that your incarnations are designed to allow you to continually, throughout your lifetime, uncover and discover those things which are buried deep within the unconscious.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_002: Whether those are your wounds that you carry with you, or indeed the love and light of the One Infinite Creator that comes through your unconscious mind,

01:21:35 SPEAKER_002: in order to reach the point of healing that allows for the essential true healing: the realization of perfection and oneness of the self.

01:21:36 SPEAKER_002: And of all, we do believe that it is important that this is consciously realized within the self.

01:21:36 SPEAKER_002: That there are wounds; that there are things that are carried.

01:21:37 SPEAKER_002: However, it is also our opinion that these specific details or these circumstances are not nearly as important as simply recognizing that yes,

01:21:37 SPEAKER_002: there may be some individual unique qualities that seem painful that do influence you and that play a role in shaping your behavior and how you move about your plane of existence.

01:21:37 SPEAKER_002: But so long as the self can garner a type of faith or understanding that we need not know every single detail;

01:21:37 SPEAKER_002: that we need not know every aspect of the circumstances that created that wound in order to love it completely.

01:21:37 SPEAKER_002: For you may have experienced within your incarnation that such details, particularly after they are buried within the unconscious, may shift and may change.

01:21:38 SPEAKER_002: There is no memory that you can recollect within your conscious third density mind that is a perfect recollection of the so-called objective circumstances.

01:21:38 SPEAKER_002: Much is lost from time's perspective in the unconscious mind.

01:21:39 SPEAKER_002: Indeed, everything exists within the present moment.

01:21:39 SPEAKER_002: So the wound that may be buried deep within you may not be informed to your conscious mind by specific circumstances, but rather by its effect on your present moment.

01:21:39 SPEAKER_002: And so we would encourage seekers pondering this question that you have posed to focus on the details if they arise within you,

01:21:39 SPEAKER_002: but otherwise pay deep attention to what is alive within you in the present moment.

01:21:40 SPEAKER_002: Attempt to come to an understanding of what it is that is motivating you, what it is that informs your perception of the world.

01:21:41 SPEAKER_002: Attempt to examine that lens that looks out into the world and paints the circumstances in a certain way for you to understand them in a certain way,

01:21:42 SPEAKER_002: and you may find that in doing this over an extended period of time with dedication and discipline, that the wounds are indeed still informing you in a subtle and very difficult to perceive ways.

01:21:43 SPEAKER_002: But if you continue to do this and pay attention to your present moment, then bringing that love to every moment, attempting to discover that love within every moment, whether you remember details or not,

01:21:43 SPEAKER_002: will be conducive to such healing.

01:21:43 SPEAKER_002: We would end this response by simply encouraging seekers: indeed there is much that you will not discover about the self within your incarnation.

01:21:44 SPEAKER_002: There is much that you have experienced that will never be recollected within your incarnation.

01:21:44 SPEAKER_002: Yep.

01:21:45 SPEAKER_002: But your journey through this creation is not limited to your one lifetime that you currently experience.

01:21:45 SPEAKER_002: You carry with you energetic distortions, or so-called wounds, from previous incarnations, and you will carry forward distortions into your continuing incarnations.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: Continuing incarnations: healing is the great journey of the self through the creation.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: It is an infinitely long path that will ultimately lead you back to your destination, the One Infinite Creator.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: We encourage seekers not to expect too much of the self; to allow the self to be wounded, to be imperfect, and yet to acknowledge that even then there is perfection within the self.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: Within the cell, and that perfection is, as we understand it, the love and light of the One Infinite Creator, which you are.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_002: Is there a follow-up?

01:21:47 SPEAKER_002: No. No, that was too long for a follow-up.

01:21:47 SPEAKER_002: Did that answer your question, Ed?

01:21:47 SPEAKER_002: Ed, are you awake?

01:21:48 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

01:21:48 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, actually; that was actually a really good answer because that basically reaffirms me that...

01:21:48 SPEAKER_002: That process I put in place to deal with these things myself to get over these things that I didn't know about is exactly the right way of doing it.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_002: You know, just understanding that whatever it was, whatever happened, however it affected me... you know, I don't know; rise above that, and like you know, suppose see the love in it either way.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_002: I don't think we're rising above it more than just accepting it.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_002: That's it.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, and just still rising above the negative effects of it.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah, and seeing the perfection within...

01:21:51 SPEAKER_002: Exactly, exactly.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_002: That's exactly what I how I kind of got myself out of things.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; see the Creator in all things.

01:21:52 SPEAKER_002: Realize things are always perfect.

01:21:52 SPEAKER_002: You know.

01:21:52 SPEAKER_002: I mean, looking at that, you can extrapolate your life back, and then those things that mess you up don't matter as much, you know.

01:21:53 SPEAKER_002: That's the object.

01:21:53 SPEAKER_002: So fully love quote is absolute boss.

01:21:53 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, well, I mean, Rod tells us that healing is just coming to that sense of knowing that you're still whole, complete, and perfect inside.

01:21:54 SPEAKER_002: You just got to kind of get to that point.

01:21:55 SPEAKER_002: So this message is just a long-winded way of what Rod talked about.

01:21:55 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; but it's good.

01:21:55 SPEAKER_002: It's good to know like that.

01:21:56 SPEAKER_002: That you know... because well, I have to say: also the past life thing really helped me.

01:21:56 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; because it gave me real context for why...

01:21:56 SPEAKER_002: You know, because I always thought it was something that must have happened when I was really young.

01:21:57 SPEAKER_002: That kind of...

01:21:57 SPEAKER_002: Like how BPD starts, right?

01:21:57 SPEAKER_002: So, you know, some traumatic event happens before you can form proper extrinsic memory that you carry on, you know.

01:21:57 SPEAKER_002: And then because of that event, and you build up trauma in your head, and you start building your personality around that trauma before you remember what the event was.

01:21:58 SPEAKER_002: So you can build your entire life, your whole personality of who you are, based on that trauma of an event you'll never be able to recollect.

01:21:58 SPEAKER_002: You know; so I thought that maybe some of my issues were based on something like that, but then the past life thing also...

01:21:58 SPEAKER_002: Something I'd never ordinarily be able to recollect without doing the work.

01:21:58 SPEAKER_002: You know, that gave me context and understanding of why I needed to be able to deal with this trauma to be able to drop it and give it context and put in its right place.

01:21:59 SPEAKER_002: You know; but other than that, you know, understanding the oneness and the connection to it all is the best bet for getting over it all.

01:21:59 SPEAKER_002: Accepting yourself, accepting and loving the negative bits just as much as the positive bits is the best way of doing shadow work.

01:21:59 SPEAKER_002: And yeah.

01:22:00 SPEAKER_002: So anyway, yeah.

01:22:02 SPEAKER_002: I'm going to stop going on.

01:22:02 SPEAKER_002: Absolutely awesome.

01:22:02 SPEAKER_002: And in dealing with past lives too: you may kind of be stuck in a little bit of karma or inertia from events back then,

01:22:03 SPEAKER_002: and you kind of feel before you came into this incarnation that you really haven't gone over it; gotten through it, so you place this kind of karma on yourself.

01:22:03 SPEAKER_002: Hundred percent, dude.

01:22:03 SPEAKER_002: And like you've got to experience, and you just go through the process...

01:22:04 SPEAKER_002: You know.

01:22:05 SPEAKER_002: But that's it, right?

01:22:06 SPEAKER_002: The main thing is: yeah.

01:22:07 SPEAKER_002: What was the question, yeah?

01:22:09 SPEAKER_002: That I didn't know what that trauma was.

01:22:09 SPEAKER_002: I could never put any kind of fingerprint on it because it was carried over from a past life; how could I ever remember that without doing that process...

01:22:09 SPEAKER_002: You know.

01:22:09 SPEAKER_002: So that's because Q'uo said before that like you know seeing your past lives is kind of cheating, you know?

01:22:10 SPEAKER_002: Because you see your past lives and then you understand the catalyst that you're going through now, because you know it is just playing out those patterns from before, you know.

01:22:10 SPEAKER_002: So yeah; it really does help.

01:22:10 SPEAKER_002: Okay; with using that as a catalyst...

01:22:11 SPEAKER_002: You know.

01:22:11 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:11 SPEAKER_002: With me: I'll just say real quick.

01:22:13 SPEAKER_002: I've experienced a lot of violence in my life, so I'm thinking: well, did I set this up as karma because I experienced violence on others in my past lives?

01:22:14 SPEAKER_002: Or am I so audacious or not experienced enough that I wanted to experience violence in this lifetime?

01:22:15 SPEAKER_002: Okay; the eyesight...

01:22:15 SPEAKER_002: I'd say for me, I know for a fact that I've always had a bias to not do violence, even if I really want to.

01:22:15 SPEAKER_002: And I'm really quite good at when I don't try every single thing not to.

01:22:15 SPEAKER_002: And I always blame that on not wanting to be like my dad; but now I know because I don't want to make the same mistakes of that guy, you know.

01:22:16 SPEAKER_002: So maybe that's what you're doing...

01:22:16 SPEAKER_002: You see?

01:22:16 SPEAKER_002: It's a reciprocal action.

01:22:17 SPEAKER_002: You know: either you were doing it last time or you might be some fucking warlord or something walking around with like a big stack of human heads and stuff.

01:22:17 SPEAKER_002: You don't know dear; right?

01:22:18 SPEAKER_002: Right, right, right.

01:22:18 SPEAKER_002: Well I know in this life I didn't go out to seek it.

01:22:18 SPEAKER_002: It just came upon me.

01:22:18 SPEAKER_002: You know: ever since I was little.

01:22:19 SPEAKER_002: You know; I've usually been the one that has got their ass kicked.

01:22:20 SPEAKER_002: No. Yeah; that was me.

01:22:20 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; I never go out looking for trouble, but it came my way.

01:22:21 SPEAKER_002: And when... you know, my dad was real abusive and my brother hurt me, and so even when I was a baby, I was told:

01:22:21 SPEAKER_002: falling on my head and this and I just like damn how much brain trauma can you do in one lifetime?

01:22:21 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; you know; you do have your greater portion

01:22:22 SPEAKER_002: Essential healing is the realization of the self's wholeness.

01:22:22 SPEAKER_002: There is but one ultimate framing of healing, and that is the realization within the self of the perfection of the self,

01:22:23 SPEAKER_002: of both those things that seem perfect and good and bring comfort and joy within the self, along with those things that seem to be distorted, that seem to bring discomfort, and even pain.

01:22:23 SPEAKER_002: Comfort and even pain are resurging trauma.

01:22:23 SPEAKER_002: Healing is not the erasure of wounded parts; it is the recognition that even the wounded self belongs within the whole self.

01:22:24 SPEAKER_002: The wound may influence perception and behavior invisibly.

01:22:24 SPEAKER_002: If the wounds are still present, they will manifest in various ways.

01:22:24 SPEAKER_002: Whether it is through distorted perception of the entity, or whether it is through the behavior of the entity, the entity may be blind to what is motivating their actions.

01:22:25 SPEAKER_002: With what is painting their perception, life keeps bringing forward what is ready to be healed.

01:22:26 SPEAKER_002: Your incarnations are designed, you may say, to allow you to continually, throughout your lifetime, uncover and discover those things which are buried deep within the unconscious.

01:22:26 SPEAKER_002: These specific details or these circumstances are not nearly as important as simply recognizing that yes, there may be some individual, unique quality.

01:22:26 SPEAKER_002: Individual unique qualities that seem painful that do influence you and that play a role in shaping your behavior.

01:22:27 SPEAKER_002: So instead of forcing memory, gently ask what pain, fear, shame, contraction, or belief is present now.

01:22:27 SPEAKER_002: We need not know every single detail.

01:22:27 SPEAKER_002: That we need not know every aspect of the circumstance that created the wound in order to love it completely.

01:22:27 SPEAKER_002: Love can be applied to the symptom, the ache, the fear, the protector part, the grief, or the confusion, even before the full story is known; memory itself is imperfect and shifting.

01:22:28 SPEAKER_002: There is no memory that you can recollect within your conscious third mind that is perfect recollection.

01:22:28 SPEAKER_002: Also, the wound that may be buried deep within you may not be informed to your conscious mind by specific circumstances, but rather by its effect on your present moment.

01:22:30 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:30 SPEAKER_002: Like whether or not I will go to the market depends on how aggravated my wounds are.

01:22:31 SPEAKER_002: You know what I mean?

01:22:31 SPEAKER_002: Because there's a lot of heavy lifting involved.

01:22:32 SPEAKER_002: Pay deep attention to what is alive within you in the present moment.

01:22:32 SPEAKER_002: Attempt to come to an understanding of what it is that is motivating you, of what it is that informs your perception of the world.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_002: Oh man, this is long, long, long.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_002: Just read the headings.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_002: Short summary.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:22:36 SPEAKER_002: Love every moment, with or without memory.

01:22:36 SPEAKER_002: Much will remain unknown in one lifetime.

01:22:37 SPEAKER_002: Healing is the long journey of the self back to the Creator.

01:22:37 SPEAKER_002: Do not expect too much of the wounded self.

01:22:38 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I've... yeah, I know that from experience; have to rest.

01:22:38 SPEAKER_002: We encourage seekers not to expect too much from the self, to allow the self to be wounded, to be imperfect, and yet to acknowledge that even then there's perfection with the self.

01:22:40 SPEAKER_002: I think they're saying: do not expect too much mentally from the self as well because... the obvious limitations of wounds and pains is obvious,

01:22:40 SPEAKER_002: but the mental ones are the ones that can really affect you.

01:22:41 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:41 SPEAKER_002: Well, I know for me, the physical ones—they really affect me.

01:22:41 SPEAKER_002: You know?

01:22:43 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:43 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:45 SPEAKER_002: But yeah, limits what I can do.

01:22:45 SPEAKER_002: No, absolutely.

01:22:46 SPEAKER_002: But if you got the wounds, you see the wounds you kind of got, or how you described them; they weren't gotten in a real traumatic way.

01:22:46 SPEAKER_002: So when you get wounds in a real and hurt in a real traumatic way, then it... it becomes overbearing on you.

01:22:47 SPEAKER_002: Maybe you can understand what I'm saying?

01:22:48 SPEAKER_002: Well, it's not just getting wounds; it's how you get the wounds.

01:22:48 SPEAKER_002: Ah, I see.

01:22:48 SPEAKER_002: I see.

01:22:49 SPEAKER_002: Well, overworking myself.

01:22:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:22:49 SPEAKER_002: See, when you say overworking yourself, you're like: oh, I've done it to myself.

01:22:50 SPEAKER_002: You know this and that?

01:22:51 SPEAKER_002: I can just chill out.

01:22:51 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:22:52 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah.

01:22:53 SPEAKER_002: Well, you know, gotta trust in God.

01:22:53 SPEAKER_002: That's the lesson that I keep getting.

01:22:53 SPEAKER_002: You know is that I have to stop thinking I'm doing it and have to trust that God is doing it.

01:22:54 SPEAKER_002: That perfection is, as we understand it, the love and light of the One Infinite Creator, which you are.

01:22:54 SPEAKER_002: Cool; says buried trauma may be hidden by the mind and body as a survival mechanism, but it can still shape perception, behavior, motion, healing.

01:22:54 SPEAKER_002: Healing does not always require remembering every detail.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_002: What matters most is noticing what is alive in the present moment, examining the lens through which we see, and bringing love to the wound as it appears now.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_004: Healing is gradual, individual, rooted in recognizing that even a wound itself contains the love and light of the Creator.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_004: And in the court takeaway, it's said to kind of honor the wound or whatever.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_004: All right.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_004: Well, I guess it's nine o'clock, guys.

01:22:56 SPEAKER_004: So... we will.

01:22:56 SPEAKER_004: Well, we started really late.

01:22:57 SPEAKER_004: I don't know if you can keep going, but the next question isn't very long.

01:22:57 SPEAKER_004: It's not very long.

01:22:58 SPEAKER_004: Do you guys want to do it?

01:22:58 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, Bob.

01:22:59 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:23:00 SPEAKER_002: All right.

01:23:00 SPEAKER_002: One more.

01:23:01 SPEAKER_002: Cool.

01:23:01 SPEAKER_002: I bet your wife's gonna get real mad at you.

01:23:01 SPEAKER_002: No, no one's gonna get mad at me.

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: Cool.

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: I work in mental health care and have had experience with spiritual visitors of people who... when I enter into clients' rooms, I can feel and notice spiritual visitors drawing my attention.

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: I was wondering how to balance listening and valuing those visiting the client spiritually while also devoting my attention to those in third density who I'm here to serve.

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: Do you have any thoughts?

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: Wow, I am Q'uo, and we are aware of your query; my sister.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_002: We find this query very interesting.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_002: For this perception that you have described within your query is not typical, you may say, of the third-density entity.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_002: That's right.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_002: The end.

01:23:04 SPEAKER_002: That's for sure.

01:23:04 SPEAKER_002: It is a unique perception that allows you to perceive these other beings, and we find that in circumstances that you have described, and your role as a healer,

01:23:05 SPEAKER_002: many people or entities who you serve will have many attachments, as you say.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_002: Wow; there may be many types of interplane entities that latch onto certain distortions that may cause people to seek healing.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_002: And thus we find that you would be in a rich environment full of other beings attempting to both serve and take advantage of the distortions being healed within your environment.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_002: And so we encourage you not to shut down this perception, but instead allow your perception to be focused upon the needs of the individual moment.

01:23:06 SPEAKER_002: We would encourage you, as any other seeker, to dedicate yourself to regular practice... meditation of seeking the silence within the self,

01:23:06 SPEAKER_002: of being able to cultivate within the self a space within the heart that allows it to take in all things and exist with love and acceptance.

01:23:06 SPEAKER_002: And further, as you continue to cultivate this inner space, you may begin to cultivate a certain perception or a certain guidance system.

01:23:06 SPEAKER_002: You may say that allows your perception to be pulled in the direction that it needs to be pulled, so that when you are visiting with your so-called clients or patients,

01:23:07 SPEAKER_002: you may have a more intuitive understanding of what would serve that entity at that moment.

01:23:07 SPEAKER_002: And if there is information needed that can be gleaned from these invisible visitors... you may receive that guidance and then utilize it in your attention to your third-density other self.

01:23:08 SPEAKER_002: This is a long and difficult process that requires patience in the honing of perception, and as always, as we stated, the prerequisite is meditation; that which builds up.

01:23:08 SPEAKER_002: We correct this instrument—that allows you to silence the self,

01:23:08 SPEAKER_002: shut down or allow you to ignore other influences from your mind—so that you can focus totally on the present moment of the needs of your patient,

01:23:09 SPEAKER_002: and then receive the guidance that you need from the other influences in the space that you exist.

01:23:10 SPEAKER_002: And there's no follow-up questions.

01:23:10 SPEAKER_002: This is from April twenty-fifth, two thousand twenty-six.

01:23:10 SPEAKER_002: Anybody have any questions?

01:23:10 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

01:23:11 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:23:11 SPEAKER_002: So let's do a quick summary; seven points max.

01:23:11 SPEAKER_002: Wow, it's amazing that some people can go... walk between the two worlds.

01:23:12 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:23:12 SPEAKER_002: Like that.

01:23:12 SPEAKER_002: Unusual perception.

01:23:13 SPEAKER_002: This perception is not typical.

01:23:13 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

01:23:14 SPEAKER_002: Can be part of service healing spaces.

01:23:15 SPEAKER_002: May contain many unseen influences.

01:23:15 SPEAKER_002: Yep, fair enough.

01:23:16 SPEAKER_002: A rich environment full of other beings attempting to both serve.

01:23:16 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; and that's why.

01:23:16 SPEAKER_002: The unseen influences... that's when you need to do your clearings or be able to get those negative entities out of there.

01:23:17 SPEAKER_002: Hmm.

01:23:17 SPEAKER_002: Focus.

01:23:17 SPEAKER_002: Do not shut down the perception.

01:23:18 SPEAKER_002: We encourage you not to shut down this perception.

01:23:19 SPEAKER_002: Focus on the needs of the moment.

01:23:19 SPEAKER_002: Allow your perceptions to be focused on the needs of the individual moment.

01:23:20 SPEAKER_002: Meditation creates the inner container.

01:23:23 SPEAKER_002: Dedicate yourself to regular practice of meditation, cultivating within the self a space within the heart.

01:23:23 SPEAKER_002: A certain guidance system allows your perception to be pulled in the direction that it needs to be pulled.

01:23:23 SPEAKER_002: If there is information needed from these invisible visitors, utilize it in your attention to your third-density other selves.

01:23:26 SPEAKER_002: All right; the spiritual visit is not the main focus.

01:23:26 SPEAKER_002: Any information received should be translated into better presence, compassion, and care for the client.

01:23:27 SPEAKER_002: Yep.

01:23:27 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, because I know... like, dude runs a church, and he claims he can see demons, and he sees demons on everybody other than himself,

01:23:27 SPEAKER_002: and he feels he's the only one that can banish these demons; then he goes telling pregnant ladies their baby has a demon, and they need him in order to banish those demons.

01:23:28 SPEAKER_002: And it's just so disturbing.

01:23:28 SPEAKER_002: Like it could get really bad.

01:23:28 SPEAKER_002: So you know, take it with a grain of salt.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: By the way... your three-month-old is totally possessed?

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah; oh, baby, you're wounded.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: It's carrying.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Do you have to go to my church and make a donation of a thousand dollars, and then I will free your baby from this possession?

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Oh there you go—something like that, you know.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Like it's just some people are...

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: what?

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Oh man; that's called spiritual abuse.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Spiritual abuse, guys.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Oh man, so many people.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: He spends so much on advertising because people keep leaving his church, right?

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Because he's crazy.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I wonder why.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: But it's never his fault, no.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: And his wife always stands by him.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Oh well, what else is she gonna do?

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: She hitched her wagon to the devil.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Yep; yep.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: She gave him like five kids for people.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: We're going over the cliff.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: He's got five kids—maybe four.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: I don't know.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Don't know the exact number.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: But yeah.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Anyhow guys, any last questions before ending the stream?

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Love you.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: No, that's good.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: I sent you a message where we left off, Andre.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: Awesome; great.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_002: We'll continue next time.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: Continue aligning our thoughts, feelings, words, and actions to be a greater service for all creation.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: I mean yeah, that's part of it too.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: But what was this prayer?

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: So as we found you, we leave you in the infinite love and infinite light of the Infinite Creator.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: Go forth therefore rejoicing in the infinite power and infinite peace, my friends.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: Arunai; bless you brothers.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: All right.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: Thanks Andre.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: See you guys.

01:23:31 SPEAKER_002: Love you guys.