Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — June 12, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: One Infinite Creator.

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: I'm Andres Morgan.

00:00:01 speaker_unknown: Today joined by Adam, Bill, Ed, Eric, and Fred, and we will be reading, discussing the last question of March 28, 2026, which is about world peace and praying for world peace.

00:00:09 speaker_unknown: And also, we will be doing April 11 after that, which is on a variety of interesting topics as well.

00:00:12 speaker_unknown: All right, let's get to it.

00:00:14 speaker_unknown: Yes, I have a question.

00:00:15 speaker_unknown: Thank you, cool.

00:00:16 speaker_unknown: We'll also be discussing.

00:00:24 speaker_unknown: Thank you, cool.

00:00:29 speaker_unknown: Thank you, Q'uo, for your willingness to serve the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:32 speaker_unknown: My question is regarding a prayer that a friend of mine repeats about world peace.

00:00:32 speaker_unknown: And what I run up against is having experienced so much growth as a result of a lack of personal peace and suffering.

00:00:35 SPEAKER_002: My thought is that if I think I know what's best for the world, that it all should be a world of peace, and that I'm praying for that.

00:00:42 SPEAKER_002: That somehow I'm playing with God by thinking I know better, and there have been statements like "smooth seas do not create skillful sailors."

00:00:51 SPEAKER_002: Those points to the fact that life is possibly a training ground, and that the hurdles and obstacles and barriers are the very substance of greater expansion.

00:00:57 SPEAKER_002: So when I hear that we pray for world peace, sometimes I feel like I'm removing people's growth opportunities,

00:01:05 SPEAKER_002: and it feels like the higher path is to accept the world as it is and to be shown what is my personal path to inner peace.

00:01:13 SPEAKER_002: I just wanted to lay that at your feet for any comment regarding praying for world peace versus this being a training ground for consciousness.

00:01:15 SPEAKER_002: Thank you again for your willingness.

00:01:20 SPEAKER_002: I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of the query, my brother.

00:01:23 SPEAKER_002: And again, we appreciate the nuance present within this query.

00:01:30 SPEAKER_002: We will note that this query demonstrates a particular challenge for seekers within your third density behind the veil of forgetting.

00:01:36 SPEAKER_002: We find that your query is probing the boundaries of wisdom and how to apply love as you have discovered it, and how that love is meant to serve others.

00:01:49 SPEAKER_002: We appreciate and honor your personal expression of discovering growth and the ability to discover more of the self through challenge and through difficulty.

00:02:02 SPEAKER_003: For indeed, it is our understanding that the quality of experience that the Creator desires involves the catalyst, the challenge, and difficulty that you, as an incarnate being, come into contact with.

00:02:10 SPEAKER_003: Oftentimes, traumatic experiences and the catalyst offered by these experiences allow you to come to know yourself deeper and deeper.

00:02:17 SPEAKER_003: It is a question of wisdom that you have posed:

00:02:27 SPEAKER_003: whether it is best to allow the world to exist in a state of difficulty and chaos and pain and confusion so that it may serve as an environment for other seekers to experience similar catalysts

00:02:29 SPEAKER_003: posed by such difficulty.

00:02:38 SPEAKER_003: We cannot offer a prescription, you might say, on how to orient this question,

00:02:49 SPEAKER_003: but we can somewhat speak around it to allow perhaps a new perspective into your own contemplations as you attempt to grapple with this query.

00:02:57 SPEAKER_003: Indeed, it is true that challenge and difficulty are fodder for growth for the mind-body-spirit complex and for your planet as a whole being.

00:03:18 SPEAKER_003: But we would ask if you have within your direct perception an entity suffering, and the impulse you feel to relieve that suffering, and whether it is within your means to do so.

00:03:23 SPEAKER_003: Would you feel called to immediately relieve the entity's suffering?

00:03:28 SPEAKER_003: And if so, where does this call come from?

00:03:39 SPEAKER_003: Is it your personal will that you wish to see their suffering end, or is it the Will of the Creator that moves you,

00:03:50 SPEAKER_003: that brings your compassion and allows you to move within your mind-body-spirit complex in order for another entity to cease its suffering.

00:03:58 SPEAKER_003: This is not a question that we wish to answer for you, but one we wish to pose to you,

00:04:06 SPEAKER_003: to bring into your meditations to understand where the impulse of love and service within your heart comes from, and how you may express it and allow it to manifest in any given situation.

00:04:20 SPEAKER_003: We use the example of a more immediate form of suffering before you because the question that you oppose brings the suffering and difficulty into a very large abstract picture:

00:04:24 SPEAKER_003: that of your planet and the desire for peace on Earth.

00:04:35 SPEAKER_003: We would also pose the question: if you do your best to relieve an entity's suffering, yet it continues to suffer, is this your responsibility?

00:04:38 SPEAKER_003: Do you fail at your task in serving others?

00:04:47 SPEAKER_003: This query we also encourage you to bring into your meditations and place it into the context of the suffering of your world.

00:04:59 SPEAKER_003: Indeed, you may pray; you may contemplate; and you may focus your meditations all around world peace and the desire to see world peace.

00:05:05 SPEAKER_003: But ultimately, it is not your choice to impose upon the world this peace.

00:05:15 SPEAKER_003: You can incorporate within your prayers the understanding that which allows for suffering to exist and be sacred in its own right,

00:05:24 SPEAKER_003: yet honors also the desire within the heart to see all other selves in a state of comfort, peace, and joy.

00:05:37 SPEAKER_003: These things may coexist, and the key you might say to allowing the prayer to have its full effect is to release your personal desire to see the suffering end,

00:05:42 SPEAKER_003: and allow the desire within your heart wherever it comes from to be the key that ends the suffering.

00:05:54 SPEAKER_003: Though your prayer may not end it, the Will of the Creator is done either way, and you are simply attempting your very best to align yourself with that will.

00:06:04 SPEAKER_003: We realize our response has not offered a direct answer to this conundrum for we do not believe we exist from the third density perspective.

00:06:17 SPEAKER_003: Yet we do believe that taking into your heart this query and allowing it to shape how you orientate to the One Infinite Creator and to your planet,

00:06:30 SPEAKER_003: your prayers and meditations will indeed bring catalyst and realization to the self that allows deeper understanding and the deeper ability to do the Will of the One Infinite Creator upon your plane.

00:06:32 SPEAKER_003: All right, very good.

00:06:34 SPEAKER_003: Nice, elusive rigmarole.

00:06:35 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:06:37 SPEAKER_003: What do you guys think?

00:06:38 SPEAKER_003: Anybody have any commentary?

00:06:43 SPEAKER_003: Just like you said at the very end, it's a conundrum.

00:06:48 SPEAKER_003: Okay, now give quotes and read commentary based on the reasons.

00:06:50 SPEAKER_003: And let's see what we extract.

00:07:01 SPEAKER_003: Difficulty can be a sacred quest challenge; difficulty is fodder for growth for the mind-body-spirit complex and your planet as a whole being.

00:07:03 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I know I am.

00:07:06 SPEAKER_003: It's so true on so many levels.

00:07:09 SPEAKER_003: Suffering, obstacles, and confusion are not meaningless.

00:07:31 SPEAKER_003: They can become very material by which the soul deepens, ripens, and comes to know itself more fully.

00:07:43 SPEAKER_003: The seeker does not need to deny this truth in order to pray for peace.

00:07:51 SPEAKER_003: You know...

00:08:10 SPEAKER_002: Like I'm just thinking about when playing Go; oftentimes if the other person is attacking you and you defend yourself well, it's actually a catalyst for growth and becoming stronger.

00:08:24 SPEAKER_002: And similarly, on my mayoral campaign, when people say something against what I'm saying, then usually it's an opportunity also for growth:

00:08:29 SPEAKER_002: explaining things and seeing gaps in explanations to make it easier for others to understand.

00:08:32 SPEAKER_002: Wisdom asks, "Am I serving love or trying to control the lesson?"

00:08:41 SPEAKER_002: We find that your query is probing the boundaries of wisdom and how to apply love as you have discovered it.

00:08:49 SPEAKER_002: It's not simply peace versus suffering; compassion is also part of the Creator's will.

00:09:03 SPEAKER_002: If you have within your direct perception an entity suffering, and the impulse you feel to relieve that suffering, where does that call come from?

00:09:10 SPEAKER_002: Yes, I liked how Q'uo was saying: "Is it coming from the Creator?"

00:09:17 SPEAKER_002: Because you know, I think as service to other beings, that's what we should be tapping into.

00:09:20 SPEAKER_002: What is the Creator's will in this situation?

00:09:22 SPEAKER_002: Service does not guarantee outcome.

00:09:23 SPEAKER_002: If you do your best to relieve an entity's suffering yet it continues to suffer, is this your responsibility?

00:09:32 SPEAKER_002: I would say no. You know... yeah of course it's no. Yeah, yeah; it's like some people just choose to suffer and that's okay.

00:09:35 SPEAKER_002: And we just gotta forgive and love them as they are.

00:09:44 SPEAKER_002: But we don't even have to forgive them; we just need to forgive ourselves regarding how we perceive the situation if it kind of messes with our minds or anything.

00:09:44 SPEAKER_002: Right?

00:09:49 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, because you know forgiving them is also important in case any feelings arise.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_002: If they did something to you... yeah.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_002: If any feelings arise in that regard, you know, yeah.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_002: Then there's that opportunity for forgiveness.

00:09:57 SPEAKER_002: Pray without imposing.

00:10:03 SPEAKER_002: Ultimately, it is not your choice to impose upon the world this peace.

00:10:05 SPEAKER_002: This is also true.

00:10:14 SPEAKER_003: You know, people have a choice, and it's so important to let them live the life that they want to live, and we can offer them alternatives,

00:10:21 SPEAKER_003: but ultimately it's like you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink, as they say.

00:10:24 SPEAKER_003: Hold both truths at once.

00:10:29 SPEAKER_003: Suffering may exist and may be sacred in its own right.

00:10:40 SPEAKER_002: Yet honor also to desire within the heart to see all other selves in a state of comfort, peace, and joy; these things may coexist.

00:10:46 SPEAKER_002: The seeker need not choose between accepting the world and loving the world into healing.

00:10:48 SPEAKER_002: Acceptance and compassion are not opposites.

00:10:52 SPEAKER_002: One may honor catalyst while still blessing all beings with peace.

00:10:53 SPEAKER_002: Release personal desire.

00:10:55 SPEAKER_002: Keep the heart open.

00:11:03 SPEAKER_002: The key is to release your personal desire to see suffering end, and allow the desire within your heart to be the key.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_002: The refinement is subtle.

00:11:07 SPEAKER_002: Release attachment, not love.

00:11:17 SPEAKER_002: Let go of the personal demand that suffering must end in the way we imagine, while allowing the deeper heart's prayer for healing to remain alive.

00:11:19 SPEAKER_002: Alignment matters more than certainty.

00:11:26 SPEAKER_002: The will of the Creator is done either way, and you are simply attempting your very best to align yourself with that will.

00:11:32 SPEAKER_002: A seeker behind the veil may not know the perfect answer.

00:11:34 SPEAKER_002: The path is to continue.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_002: The path is to continually align with love, humility, free will, and service, trusting that sincere prayer itself becomes catalyst for deeper understanding.

00:11:52 SPEAKER_002: The question itself is part of the work.

00:11:58 SPEAKER_002: To take into your heart this query will indeed bring catalyst and realization to the self.

00:12:04 SPEAKER_002: The tension between world peace and spiritual training is not a problem to solve once and discard.

00:12:09 SPEAKER_002: It is a living contemplation.

00:12:15 SPEAKER_002: By holding it honestly in prayer and meditation, the seeker becomes more capable of serving wisely.

00:12:19 SPEAKER_002: May all beings receive the peace, healing, and comfort that serves their highest path.

00:12:24 SPEAKER_002: May suffering be transformed into wisdom where it remains, and relieved where love may rightly relieve it.

00:12:34 SPEAKER_002: May my desire to serve be purified of control, and may I align with the will of the One Infinite.

00:12:34 SPEAKER_002: Amen.

00:12:36 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so where were we?

00:12:39 SPEAKER_002: Now we're on April eleventh, right?

00:12:40 SPEAKER_002: Yep.

00:12:41 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:12:43 SPEAKER_002: So let's continue.

00:12:44 SPEAKER_002: I have a question, a two-parter.

00:12:53 SPEAKER_002: First of all, how important is it for our third density selves to connect to our higher self, love, intelligence?

00:13:00 SPEAKER_002: And secondly, are there ways that you would suggest communion with a part of us?

00:13:05 SPEAKER_002: I am Q'uo, and I'm aware of your query, my sister.

00:13:17 SPEAKER_002: You ask a query which is most important for seekers of truth who wish to know more about their spiritual journeys; it's something that is very helpful.

00:13:35 SPEAKER_002: If you can make that connection with your higher self that exists at the mid-sixth density level, you are communicating with a portion of yourself that has traveled this journey in many ways.

00:13:44 SPEAKER_002: The higher self has, you might say, a map of how you have traveled it in one way or another.

00:13:48 SPEAKER_003: If you can make contact with your higher self, then know that what you receive in that contact can help you move forward through the difficulties, the catalysts of your journey.

00:13:54 SPEAKER_003: For this is how you grow: not by the good times, but by the difficult times.

00:14:09 SPEAKER_003: So it expands your being to accept yourself or another self, or a situation in a way that causes you to grow, to process the catalyst of pain, sorrow, and miscommunication;

00:14:12 SPEAKER_003: and this you may do most effectively.

00:14:22 SPEAKER_003: We believe by entering into meditation or contemplation and asking a question about how to contact your higher self, and then waiting: at some point, you will receive a contact.

00:14:34 SPEAKER_003: It may be in words, it may be in images, or it may be in some thought coming into your mind; it is kind of like a puzzle.

00:14:49 SPEAKER_003: If you sit with it and meditate upon it, then it will begin to take shape so that you can know from the nature of your soul, your spirit,

00:14:59 SPEAKER_003: what steps to take next on your spiritual journey to deal with whatever situation has come your way causing distress.

00:15:10 SPEAKER_003: All right; you know, gratitude causes such much gratitude for catalyst and the ability to serve, love, and be kind to people.

00:15:13 SPEAKER_003: I think that's also a useful part of it.

00:15:16 SPEAKER_003: Okay, what do you guys think of that?

00:15:27 SPEAKER_003: Well, if you're really stuck on your journey and you know about your higher self, I think it's very important to at least try to contact your higher self.

00:15:32 SPEAKER_003: Yeah; and you know, like I think there are other people who have higher selves too.

00:15:49 SPEAKER_002: You know, I think on a soul level we all have our higher selves make agreements for our various interactions with each other, so it becomes like a beautiful symphony or tapestry.

00:15:55 SPEAKER_002: Okay, points for seekers connecting with the higher self.

00:16:00 SPEAKER_002: Let me make this bigger for you guys:

00:16:10 SPEAKER_002: You are communicating with a portion of yourself that has traveled this journey in many ways.

00:16:25 SPEAKER_002: The higher self is not foreign to you; it is a more complete, wiser portion of your own being—one that has already gathered a wider view of your path and your soul's lessons.

00:16:29 SPEAKER_002: The higher self carries the map of your journey.

00:16:33 SPEAKER_002: From the third density perspective, life can feel confusing, fragmented, and painful.

00:16:48 SPEAKER_002: The higher self sees more of the pattern; it can help reveal the next step, especially when the conscious mind sees only the immediate difficulty.

00:16:58 SPEAKER_002: Contact with the higher self helps us move through catalyst.

00:17:05 SPEAKER_002: What you receive in that contact may help you move forward through the difficulties of your journey for sure.

00:17:14 SPEAKER_002: For sure, the spirit is just such a wonderful guide in going through any part of life: knowing whether to cease and desist, or keep going, or change direction; so are you?

00:17:18 SPEAKER_002: Are you describing the spirit as your higher self?

00:17:20 SPEAKER_002: Because that's what Carla did.

00:17:21 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, yeah.

00:17:23 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:17:27 SPEAKER_002: I mean, you know, like the higher self—it is pretty abstract.

00:17:36 SPEAKER_002: You know, a higher self can be specific, but it could also be... you know, your spirit guide or your higher self.

00:17:51 SPEAKER_002: I mean, because they are all part of the One Infinite Creator too; so there's your inner plane guides, then there's the Confederation, and then there's your sixth density self and your seventh density self,

00:17:55 SPEAKER_002: and you can get guidance from them too.

00:18:09 SPEAKER_002: It is just like there is such a wide plethora of possibilities within the One Infinite Creator that can come to your aid at any moment.

00:18:13 SPEAKER_002: Yeah; you've got a lot of help available.

00:18:14 SPEAKER_002: Exactly, exactly.

00:18:19 SPEAKER_002: You just have to be willing to ask and receive.

00:18:29 SPEAKER_002: Growth often comes through difficulty: for this is how you grow—not by the good times, but by the difficult ones.

00:18:34 SPEAKER_002: Pleasant times may refresh and nourish seekers, but difficult times often reveal the hidden self.

00:18:41 SPEAKER_002: Catalyst presses upon the heart until acceptance, forgiveness, humility, or courage has room to emerge; yeah, for sure.

00:18:46 SPEAKER_002: You know, I think that this is particularly true with controversial Reddit posts.

00:18:50 SPEAKER_002: For a lot of people they are a difficult catalyst.

00:19:01 SPEAKER_002: They feel like they need to comment there, and then it presses on their heart until these things have room to emerge.

00:19:14 SPEAKER_002: During all those myriad attacks you have the opportunity to forgive, love them, be kind, help address their fears and underlying issues with love in order to heal yourself in relation to them,

00:19:18 SPEAKER_002: and perhaps offer them a catalyst that may offer healing as well.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_002: Acceptance expands your being; it allows you to accept yourself or another self or a situation in a way that causes growth.

00:19:31 SPEAKER_002: I think this "growth" is kind of like growing in love.

00:19:42 SPEAKER_002: When we grow in our ability to love and accept more of the One Infinite Creator, the higher self helps us move from resistance into acceptance.

00:19:52 SPEAKER_002: This does not mean passivity; it means meeting yourself, the other self, and circumstances with enough love that the lesson can be received—and yeah,

00:19:59 SPEAKER_002: there is enough love for the rest of the lesson to be received.

00:20:01 SPEAKER_002: Like this is an understatement!

00:20:14 SPEAKER_002: I mean, well, in terms of... it's an important statement, but I think there is just so much more to it.

00:20:26 SPEAKER_002: There is so much about being able to express yourself in a way that allows the lesson to be received because that differs for different people.

00:20:36 SPEAKER_002: But then you know if you find a way where many people can receive that love, it can be very beneficial—well obviously, more people benefit.

00:20:39 SPEAKER_002: Meditation and contemplation are the doorway.

00:20:46 SPEAKER_002: Entering into meditation or contemplation and asking a question of how to contact your self is even simple.

00:20:49 SPEAKER_002: Become quiet, ask sincerely and wait.

00:20:57 SPEAKER_002: Communion with the higher self is less about forcing an answer, and more about creating inner stillness where a subtler signal can be received.

00:20:59 SPEAKER_002: Guidance may come in many forms.

00:21:09 SPEAKER_002: You will receive a contact that may be in words, or may be in images, or may be in some thought that is coming into your mind.

00:21:10 SPEAKER_002: Higher...

00:21:12 SPEAKER_002: Oh, go ahead Ed.

00:21:20 SPEAKER_002: I was just going to say like you know because I've told you my story about my higher self.

00:21:24 SPEAKER_002: I had some kind of weird experiences with my higher self.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_002: So you know I kind of went through a process of trying to speak to them and found that start off with some things like um what's it called automatic writing and tarot and pendulum,

00:21:46 SPEAKER_002: you know asking questions of the pendulum.

00:21:56 SPEAKER_002: Those are all actually really good ways of making that first contact with your higher self because it is quite an intuitive process.

00:22:02 SPEAKER_002: You literally kind of look away from the bit of paper, let your hand scribble, and concentrate on the question.

00:22:13 SPEAKER_002: And you know it might be a bit of a nightmare afterwards trying to decipher the words inside the scribble but they generally always there.

00:22:16 SPEAKER_002: Every time I tried it the words were there.

00:22:19 SPEAKER_004: Not just random words, words that answered the question that I asked.

00:22:35 SPEAKER_004: So then those little tiny bits of evidence that you get like that give you confidence to feel and trust your intuition a bit more and hear that little voice inside a bit more.

00:22:43 SPEAKER_004: Until now now it basically rules my life.

00:22:45 SPEAKER_004: Jesus get out of my head dude.

00:22:51 SPEAKER_004: Well yeah you're talking about automatic writing or divination style, and there's definitely many ways that work for different people.

00:22:59 SPEAKER_004: Like some people use tarot or other things, and I find like tea leaves, and then just recognizing those patterns and what they mean to you.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_004: But I think a lot of the time it is when we're say looking at the tea leaves or whatever then we are actually practicing having silence and listening within to see what does this mean,

00:23:15 SPEAKER_004: and then connect to that part within us that has the answer.

00:23:20 SPEAKER_004: Eventually we can simply connect to that higher part of ourselves and don't even need the tea leaves.

00:23:23 SPEAKER_004: We can just have open honest communication with our higher self.

00:23:33 SPEAKER_002: But then again sometimes you know we may get stubborn and then have our own thoughts and pretend it's our higher self talking to us,

00:23:47 SPEAKER_002: and then find various little calamities in our life reminding us to humble ourselves that we are human and that the infinite creator is who is really in charge here.

00:23:55 SPEAKER_002: That then the process of doing some honest meditation and truly delving into the message can be a great assistance.

00:24:07 SPEAKER_002: But a lot of times the creator isn't in charge, not in the way it's just sitting there back taking in the data of each individual so it kind of do do do do...

00:24:17 SPEAKER_002: It is very like you're not the creator stop acting like you're not an active part of creation by being the creator.

00:24:19 SPEAKER_002: No I'm saying we all are.

00:24:27 SPEAKER_002: Yeah I'm saying that your will your desire actually what the Creator wants to see done.

00:24:31 SPEAKER_002: So it's paradoxical because it you know it's all illusion.

00:24:36 SPEAKER_002: It is one thing nothing ever created and nothing can be destroyed.

00:24:43 SPEAKER_002: Nothing was ever created in the first place so the creator knows itself by experiencing its creations.

00:24:51 SPEAKER_002: So its number one priority was giving its creations free will so they can be as authentic as possible.

00:25:06 SPEAKER_003: The Creator wants its creations to do whatever desire and will it has, and ultimately everything is going to come around and see...

00:25:10 SPEAKER_003: Oh okay we're love at the core.

00:25:24 SPEAKER_003: And really after we go and do all these different things and many lifetimes we find that yeah the creator is actually this force of love.

00:25:28 SPEAKER_005: The original thought is love what brought us into existence is love.

00:25:46 SPEAKER_005: The Creator loves itself passionately so while it's you know when we say he's in control it's not really but it is because the Creator's always in control because of the love at the very depth

00:25:47 SPEAKER_005: of our being.

00:26:02 SPEAKER_003: We can't ever go away from that, but we can go off on these long tangents and do whatever even if it's cruel and heartless to other entities.

00:26:09 SPEAKER_003: The creator takes all that in but ultimately everything goes back to the Creator because it cannot stay separate.

00:26:12 SPEAKER_003: In the end all is love.

00:26:19 SPEAKER_003: So yeah the higher self does not always speak in dramatic ways.

00:26:26 SPEAKER_003: Guidance may arise as a phrase an image a knowing a dream or synchronicity.

00:26:28 SPEAKER_003: Yeah covered that.

00:26:32 SPEAKER_003: The message may arrive like a puzzle.

00:26:38 SPEAKER_003: If you sit with it and meditate upon it then it will begin to take shape.

00:26:41 SPEAKER_003: Guidance points toward the next step.

00:26:48 SPEAKER_003: It can let you know from the nature of your soul spirit what step to take next on your spiritual journey.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_003: Exactly like your higher self has an incarnational plan for you in your life.

00:27:02 SPEAKER_003: The higher self may not reveal the whole road often giving enough light for the next faithful step.

00:27:03 SPEAKER_003: How to respond?

00:27:05 SPEAKER_003: What to release?

00:27:07 SPEAKER_003: Whom to forgive?

00:27:10 SPEAKER_003: Where to serve or how to meet the present catalyst?

00:27:16 SPEAKER_003: Yes exactly and Jesus said worry about today let tomorrow worry for itself.

00:27:19 SPEAKER_003: And I feel like that is just so precious.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_003: It's kind of like be in the now in love gratitude peace and service to others a simple practice.

00:27:41 SPEAKER_002: A seeker may sit quietly and ask higher self beloved deeper self help me understand the catalyst before me show me how to accept myself this other self and this situation in love give me only

00:27:50 SPEAKER_002: what is useful for my next step and help me recognize your guidance through peace humility and service.

00:27:53 SPEAKER_002: All right okay so next one yes cool.

00:28:03 SPEAKER_002: In a kind of follow-up as a believer in past lives I wonder if my higher self in this life is the same or different than a higher self in my past lives or is there

00:28:05 SPEAKER_002: any connection Bill?

00:28:07 SPEAKER_002: I think you're muted Bill.

00:28:12 SPEAKER_002: If you're reading okay I am Q'uo and aware of your query sister...

00:28:24 SPEAKER_002: This is a query which we find quite easy to answer because though you have various past lives especially if you are a wanderer they are all guided by the same higher self.

00:28:29 SPEAKER_002: For this higher self knows that you wish to find answers to questions going back into previous lives.

00:28:44 SPEAKER_002: It has been your teacher through various grades that you call incarnations and is glad to give more information whenever asked for again as we said in response to the previous query in meditation you can

00:28:51 SPEAKER_002: find out more about those past lives signposts discovered were part of journey taking you forward...

00:28:55 SPEAKER_002: The signposts missed somewhat making puzzle less understandable.

00:29:05 SPEAKER_002: So your higher self is with you at all times responding however you choose: meditation contemplation dreams thoughts popping into mind seeming synchronistic answering questions just begun to ask.

00:29:10 SPEAKER_002: All right very good let us do that now for or did you guys have comments on that?

00:29:28 SPEAKER_002: Well they're not multiple higher selves okay very good came from that yes yes makes sense same higher self many lives though various past lives all guided by the same higher self.

00:29:46 SPEAKER_003: The higher self is not replaced lifetime to lifetime it is deeper guiding self accompanying soul through incarnations holding continuity where incarnate personality experiences separation and forgetting exactly incantions are like grades in school has been

00:29:53 SPEAKER_003: your teacher through those grades each life offers own lessons tests relationships distortions opportunities for growth.

00:30:07 SPEAKER_003: Higher self acts like teacher understanding whole curriculum not just single classroom of present life amen you know that's why being connected to higher self helps have broader perspective on life because it gives understanding of

00:30:15 SPEAKER_003: whole curriculum past life questions can be part of present healing kind of like broader view I would say.

00:30:19 SPEAKER_003: Not just your desk, but you can see the whole classroom.

00:30:28 SPEAKER_003: The Higher Self knows that you are wishing to find the answers to questions that go back into previous lives.

00:30:33 SPEAKER_003: Some present patterns may have roots deeper than disincarnation.

00:30:41 SPEAKER_003: The seeker can ask for insights into old threads: unfinished lessons, repeated catalysts, or soul tendencies that have carried over.

00:30:51 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and I know for me, my past life recollections—mostly that's what it helped me with: figuring out old threads, unfinished lessons, and repeated catalysts,

00:30:58 SPEAKER_003: and getting over those like idiosyncrasies and things that they had caused in my present life.

00:31:21 SPEAKER_003: Because I'm like, oh you know this is a holdover from that life, and I can let it go now.

00:31:23 SPEAKER_003: Ed, go ahead.

00:31:31 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I was—I was going to say that like my past life recollections literally changed my life.

00:31:37 SPEAKER_002: Like, I understood myself so much better afterwards because I could identify what was him and what was me.

00:31:51 SPEAKER_002: You know, and like I—I could identify the biases that I've always had, being this subconscious need to not make those mistakes again, and you know, and I've always felt that way, not knowing why.

00:31:56 SPEAKER_002: You know, I had all the opportunities to go completely the other way, but didn't.

00:31:58 SPEAKER_002: Why?

00:32:04 SPEAKER_002: You know, all of these things about my life, I've always questioned: Why does this happen?

00:32:05 SPEAKER_002: What?

00:32:07 SPEAKER_002: Because because I didn't have any context.

00:32:19 SPEAKER_002: I had no idea why I had this feeling that you know, oh of of you know, I don't know, being ashamed of myself in some way.

00:32:28 SPEAKER_002: Why I had that constantly, even from a very young age, with no real reason for it.

00:32:33 SPEAKER_002: You know that this beat myself up, hate myself thing.

00:32:35 SPEAKER_002: I don't understand where it came from.

00:32:43 SPEAKER_002: Whereas when he died, the feeling that he felt was just the most insanely exaggerated version of how I felt my whole life.

00:32:51 SPEAKER_002: I see.

00:32:57 SPEAKER_002: And and and I—it's only by understanding that that's him, and forgiving him, and getting over that you know his trauma, I suppose.

00:33:03 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I've started to kind of understand myself so much better.

00:33:10 SPEAKER_002: It is honestly it changed how I viewed myself in so many fundamental ways.

00:33:13 SPEAKER_002: It is quite incredible.

00:33:14 SPEAKER_002: Awesome, awesome.

00:33:18 SPEAKER_004: Thank you thank you for sharing.

00:33:20 SPEAKER_004: Um, the Higher Self gladly responds when asked.

00:33:30 SPEAKER_004: It is glad to give you more information that you ask for whenever you ask for it.

00:33:31 SPEAKER_004: Amen.

00:33:32 SPEAKER_004: Seeking matters.

00:33:39 SPEAKER_004: The Higher Self does not force wisdom upon the personality but responds to sincere invitation.

00:33:43 SPEAKER_004: Asking opens the door; receptivity allows the answer to arrive.

00:33:48 SPEAKER_004: And so this is just like when Jesus said, "You know, ask and ye shall receive."

00:33:49 SPEAKER_004: And so this is the same.

00:33:52 SPEAKER_004: Go ahead Ed.

00:33:55 SPEAKER_004: I was just going to say that you know I've had a couple of situations with the Confederation where you know you ask for conditioning or you do something,

00:33:58 SPEAKER_004: and like Carla you go at it full free will.

00:34:02 SPEAKER_004: You know I offer myself up in service.

00:34:06 SPEAKER_004: You know but they will honor your free will.

00:34:15 SPEAKER_004: You know so when I said you know give me conditioning as hard as I can as you can give it to me I don't care I'll take it.

00:34:21 SPEAKER_004: Just you know condition me so I'm going to be able to channel.

00:34:32 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I had an aching jaw for like six months and I did not realize that was from their conditioning.

00:34:33 SPEAKER_004: Wow!

00:34:50 SPEAKER_004: And as soon as somebody pointed it out to me and said I think I was actually reading in Carla's Channeling Handbook or something that when they all started channeling they all went through this period

00:34:54 SPEAKER_004: where there's an aching jaw for like a couple of weeks,

00:35:04 SPEAKER_002: and I was like Oh my god is it the same thing?

00:35:12 SPEAKER_002: So I literally said Can you just kind of chill out on the conditioning for a bit for me?

00:35:16 SPEAKER_002: And overnight the jaw pain went away.

00:35:17 SPEAKER_002: Like it went away.

00:35:23 SPEAKER_002: I had it every night for like months and it just went away.

00:35:24 SPEAKER_002: Wow!

00:35:38 SPEAKER_004: And so it was quite clearly that but I'm not sure whether I'm in the same situation with this information turning up every ten minutes because you know one of the channeling practice sessions that we

00:35:41 SPEAKER_004: had I think Fred and Latwii were there.

00:35:54 SPEAKER_004: I think it was the one where we were talking about non-platonic solids, and as like they were talking about pyramids and energy flowing through them and stuff.

00:36:02 SPEAKER_004: And they said something along the lines of You can get by putting in different calling.

00:36:04 SPEAKER_004: The Confederation will give you information right?

00:36:05 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:36:12 SPEAKER_004: And I said something silly like Well you know I volunteer myself if you need a candidate yeah I'll do that all day long Just beam it down,

00:36:17 SPEAKER_004: and I've had just like non-stop inspiration flooding my brain ever since.

00:36:22 SPEAKER_004: So they will give you what you ask for but be careful what you wish for is what I'm saying.

00:36:32 SPEAKER_004: Like you know yeah no I totally agree with you You know I learned that lesson a long time ago Really be careful what you wish for because it will come true You know and so

00:36:43 SPEAKER_004: I always am careful to make sure it's compassionate to everyone involved Because another thing is say you wish something on someone else but you have to realize that person is you too,

00:36:45 SPEAKER_004: and you're going to end up right there experiencing exactly that.

00:36:59 SPEAKER_004: And so I'm always wishing may that person have enough land to grow their own food firewood families and businesses You know because like that's what I want So I wouldn't wish any less on anyone

00:37:06 SPEAKER_004: You Know Everyone I like that dude I like that That's cool That's kind of like the whole thing of give blessings get blessings.

00:37:11 SPEAKER_004: You know or blessed is one who gives blessings,

00:37:25 SPEAKER_004: or whatever the saying is You Know by being nice the universe kind of reciprocates Gives it back to you So by you saying I hope everybody gets land some point the universe got to try

00:37:37 SPEAKER_004: to give you some land right Right right I like it Hopefully really that's cool That's good thing but it's like targeting blessings I like it Yeah that's cool But you know like some things big

00:37:44 SPEAKER_004: things they take a while and that's okay And they may take some persistence,

00:37:46 SPEAKER_004: and you may have people who are upset or whatever.

00:37:50 SPEAKER_002: And for example today I was talking to someone who had read my Yurt Hamlet idea,

00:37:59 SPEAKER_002: and no one's gonna want that Nobody wants land to grow their own food live in a yurt or have a community out there Oh how is that gonna possibly work?

00:38:06 SPEAKER_002: And they were yelling and screaming You Know I was just like being calm about it.

00:38:17 SPEAKER_002: And you know we got chatting and it's like yeah you know food doesn't just appear in the grocery store um, and people actually have to grow that food.

00:38:28 SPEAKER_002: And then they were like really You Know So I was like Yeah So this is actually a solution to getting low food.

00:38:41 SPEAKER_004: And by the end of our conversation they were like you know what I'm going to end up living in a yurt Yeah Okay Great Thank you for your support Go ahead Bill No I'm right

00:38:42 SPEAKER_004: with you on targeting blessings.

00:38:44 SPEAKER_004: If you're on the service-to-others path,

00:38:57 SPEAKER_004: your foundation is basically always trying to open your heart or keep your heart as open as possible Find the love in the moment and that's it And you're always with the Other Self You're always

00:39:04 SPEAKER_004: wanting everybody even your worst enemy to wish them love and light peace and joy respect their free will That's the foundation.

00:39:05 SPEAKER_002: So when you're on this path,

00:39:17 SPEAKER_002: you're really doing everything you can or making sure your own being has no ill will towards anything or anyone I mean you'll see behavior you don't like and situations you don't like but even in

00:39:30 SPEAKER_002: those all a lot of times you have no sway You don't have any power to change the outcome but you still can wish everybody well love and light peace and joy,

00:39:41 SPEAKER_002: and that's our foundation That's it man See the Creator in all things And if you see the Creator in everything then you got to love it all right Yes Yeah It's something so ingrained in

00:39:44 SPEAKER_002: the bottom of your heart that it's your default mode yeah

00:39:54 SPEAKER_002: When I said, you know, that I'm Andrei Zorg and I'm running for mayor on transparency, participation, compassion, he like barked at me.

00:39:58 SPEAKER_002: He was like, "I don't care," ah, you know.

00:40:07 SPEAKER_002: I was like, "Okay," and then I said, you know, you know, I started walking away, and I was like, "May you have love and peace in your life," you know.

00:40:15 SPEAKER_003: I was just like giving blessings as plastics, as I was going, and you know he was looking at me skeptically,

00:40:21 SPEAKER_003: but you know I think that maybe a little bit of respect is in those eyes.

00:40:25 SPEAKER_003: So so yeah, it's good, you know.

00:40:40 SPEAKER_003: Well, well, so many people's minds and hearts are blocked that they get stuck on the hows and can't see for themselves any solutions or any way different, and that's actually what stops them:

00:40:46 SPEAKER_003: this lack of just being open to other possibilities.

00:40:59 SPEAKER_003: And it is really ingrained in our society, in our cultures, and we've been you know... that's what a lot of public education does.

00:41:03 SPEAKER_003: It really stops our uncreativity; it stops our creativity.

00:41:10 SPEAKER_003: You know because creativity, uncreative behavior, uncreative thinking—uncreative behavior and thinking is actually learned.

00:41:19 SPEAKER_003: So they take that out of people in our public schools and stuff like this: they want you to see things only a certain way.

00:41:29 SPEAKER_003: And then what you're doing, Andre, you're running around meeting people and coming up with alternative solutions, and they get offended because you're thinking outside the box.

00:41:31 SPEAKER_004: Because they are so stuck.

00:41:35 SPEAKER_004: You know, it's kind of pretty sad actually.

00:41:38 SPEAKER_004: But you know, love and light to them; that's their journey.

00:41:41 SPEAKER_004: And hopefully, they can snap out of it someday.

00:41:41 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and you know, it is beautiful seeing the transformation of people because often it doesn't even take that long.

00:41:46 SPEAKER_003: It just takes someone to listen with their heart and let out whatever feelings are there.

00:41:54 SPEAKER_002: You know, then it's just like this outpouring, and then it shifts.

00:41:59 SPEAKER_002: There's something because they kind of expect to have that same in return.

00:42:01 SPEAKER_002: They expect anger or frustration or whatever.

00:42:07 SPEAKER_002: And when they don't see that—when they just see gentleness and kindness—they're like, "You know what?

00:42:11 SPEAKER_002: Maybe I didn't need to be scared.

00:42:12 SPEAKER_002: This isn't what I was afraid of."

00:42:20 SPEAKER_002: You know, maybe they aren't trying to force me into a work camp.

00:42:28 SPEAKER_003: That's what the initial person was afraid of: land theft, being herded up, dumped off somewhere, and forced to grow food like that.

00:42:35 SPEAKER_003: When it is 100% volunteer; you could leave at any time, but there's no obligation to show up.

00:42:42 SPEAKER_003: And you know what?

00:42:42 SPEAKER_003: That has happened before.

00:42:48 SPEAKER_003: You look at Stalin's Russia—yes, exactly what they did.

00:42:53 SPEAKER_003: They murdered a lot of people doing that.

00:43:01 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, and they actually did the opposite: in one case, people had land, then he forced them off their land.

00:43:02 SPEAKER_003: Right.

00:43:15 SPEAKER_003: In cities where there was no food, it was like seven families living together sharing one toilet, things like that.

00:43:18 SPEAKER_003: So yeah, it was rough.

00:43:20 SPEAKER_003: Um, but yeah.

00:43:23 SPEAKER_003: Hey, wouldn't it be ironic though?

00:43:36 SPEAKER_003: Like if a few years down the line you're in office for a while and then that saying about power corrupting comes true... and if you did actually set up homeless work camps forcing people to

00:43:43 SPEAKER_003: make fruit forests or get out of fields and live in your yurt—that'd be so mad.

00:43:46 SPEAKER_003: I'd be like, "Whoa, look what happened to Andre!"

00:43:49 SPEAKER_003: No, should never run for mayor.

00:43:55 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, I don't know.

00:43:57 SPEAKER_003: Who knows the future?

00:44:03 SPEAKER_002: But I just don't see that happening—at least not by my will.

00:44:04 SPEAKER_002: At least not...

00:44:08 SPEAKER_002: I'm not sure you'd make a great dictator.

00:44:16 SPEAKER_002: No. When Stalin took over, he was well on his way to being a very cruel person.

00:44:22 SPEAKER_002: You know before he became Secretary of State, he was a bank robber.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, he was a criminal.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_002: Exactly.

00:44:31 SPEAKER_002: You know it's kind of like power just enhances what is already there; wealth does too.

00:44:35 SPEAKER_002: Well, Lenin used him as an enforcer thug.

00:44:38 SPEAKER_002: That's how he got to the position he ended up in.

00:44:39 SPEAKER_002: Right, right, exactly.

00:44:41 SPEAKER_002: All right, let's move on here.

00:44:42 SPEAKER_002: Okay, meditation.

00:44:43 SPEAKER_002: Hey, later on—later on.

00:44:47 SPEAKER_002: Remind me if you guys ever heard the story about Stalin's wife?

00:44:52 SPEAKER_002: Because I'll tell you all about it after.

00:44:54 SPEAKER_002: If you guys read that sad story... okay.

00:44:54 SPEAKER_002: Cool.

00:44:55 SPEAKER_002: Does it take long?

00:44:57 SPEAKER_002: Not really.

00:45:01 SPEAKER_002: You just want to do it now?

00:45:02 SPEAKER_002: Sure.

00:45:12 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so basically like Stalin's wife: while he was in the height of his whatever, she decided she wanted to go to university and learn some stuff.

00:45:19 SPEAKER_002: So she went there, and when she was there, she met all these revolutionary kids who were saying, "Oh my God!

00:45:22 SPEAKER_003: Your husband is a maniac!

00:45:26 SPEAKER_003: He's killing millions of people in the gulags!"

00:45:29 SPEAKER_003: And what?

00:45:33 SPEAKER_003: How can you let him do this stuff?

00:45:35 SPEAKER_002: She didn't know anything about it.

00:45:41 SPEAKER_002: She thought he was just really nice and doing his job looking after the Russian people.

00:45:44 SPEAKER_002: Didn't have a clue about it.

00:45:50 SPEAKER_002: So when she went back, did she go to university outside Russia?

00:46:01 SPEAKER_004: No, she went into one of the big Russian universities, and all these students were saying things like that.

00:46:01 SPEAKER_004: Wow.

00:46:06 SPEAKER_004: So she went home and confronted Stalin: "I can't believe you're doing this!

00:46:07 SPEAKER_004: What have you done?!

00:46:11 SPEAKER_004: How can I not believe you killed all these people?"

00:46:15 SPEAKER_004: And he was like, "Oh no, don't worry, I'm not doing it."

00:46:20 SPEAKER_004: When she returned to uni a couple days later, every single one of those students had disappeared.

00:46:27 SPEAKER_004: Just gone.

00:46:28 SPEAKER_004: She disappeared too—the lot.

00:46:30 SPEAKER_004: Yes.

00:46:34 SPEAKER_004: Then she got... yeah, that's why she stayed with the Russian university initially?

00:46:38 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:40 SPEAKER_004: That makes sense.

00:46:42 SPEAKER_004: That was when he killed the intelligentsia, right?

00:46:47 SPEAKER_002: So you killed off all these university kids who mentioned it.

00:46:51 SPEAKER_002: Then she came back going, "What have you done?!

00:46:51 SPEAKER_002: You killed my friends!"

00:46:53 SPEAKER_002: And then he shot her.

00:47:00 SPEAKER_002: What?

00:47:01 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:47:02 SPEAKER_003: Wow.

00:47:03 SPEAKER_003: Well there you go.

00:47:06 SPEAKER_003: Seriously, dude—Stalin was mad.

00:47:07 SPEAKER_003: Different people are different people.

00:47:22 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, you know, he considered himself to be a wolf; he would doodle wolves when he was in meetings.

00:47:27 SPEAKER_004: So yeah, hey... so he had this very service-to-self kind of way: fear, anger, control over everything.

00:47:36 SPEAKER_004: Anyways, but yeah—he didn't do university, and he ended it for everybody else too.

00:47:38 SPEAKER_004: So anyhow, let's go on.

00:47:46 SPEAKER_004: Meditation can reveal past-life signposts; through meditation you can find out more about those past lives—the signposts that were a part of your journey.

00:47:54 SPEAKER_004: The point of past-life exploration is not curiosity alone; it is to notice signposts: moments of choice, lessons learned, service offered, love opened, fear repeated, or wisdom missed.

00:47:56 SPEAKER_004: Some missed signposts make the present puzzle harder to understand.

00:48:00 SPEAKER_004: When a lesson is only partially received, it may reappear in new forms.

00:48:04 SPEAKER_004: The present life may contain clues to old unfinished learning, giving the seeker a fresh opportunity to understand, accept, and balance.

00:48:08 SPEAKER_004: The Higher Self is always present; your Higher Self is with you at all times.

00:48:09 SPEAKER_004: Amen.

00:48:12 SPEAKER_004: The seeker does not need to summon a distant being.

00:48:17 SPEAKER_004: The Higher Self is already connected, already attentive, and already part of the soul's total being.

00:48:18 SPEAKER_004: The practice is learning to listen.

00:48:21 SPEAKER_004: There are many valid ways to seek guidance.

00:48:25 SPEAKER_004: It will respond to you in whatever way you choose to seek it: meditation, contemplation, dreams.

00:48:27 SPEAKER_004: There is no single rigid method.

00:48:32 SPEAKER_004: Some receive through stillness, some through dreams, and some through quiet reflection, some through symbolic images, and some through the rhythm of life itself.

00:48:35 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and I mean all of those are valid.

00:48:38 SPEAKER_004: You know, maybe some receive it through all of those.

00:48:41 SPEAKER_004: Synchronicity can be a form of answer.

00:48:48 SPEAKER_004: Thoughts that just pop into your mind and seem synchronistic, answering questions that you have just begun to ask.

00:48:51 SPEAKER_004: Guidance may arrive gently and almost casually.

00:48:55 SPEAKER_004: A thought, phrase, memory, dream, or coincidence may carry the precise resonance of an answer.

00:49:00 SPEAKER_004: The seeker learns to discern by its quality, humility, usefulness, and alignment with love.

00:49:01 SPEAKER_004: A simple practice.

00:49:12 SPEAKER_002: A seeker might sit quietly and ask, "Higher Self, Faithful Teacher, through my many incarnations, help me understand the patterns that serve my growth now.

00:49:16 SPEAKER_002: Show me only what is useful, loving, and balanced.

00:49:29 SPEAKER_002: Help me recognize the signposts I have followed, the signposts I have missed, and the next step that brings this life into deeper service, into the One Infinite Creator."

00:49:33 SPEAKER_002: All right.

00:49:39 SPEAKER_002: So, Mister, uh, to do we are with this instrument.

00:49:39 SPEAKER_002: Okay.

00:49:41 SPEAKER_002: Yes.

00:49:51 SPEAKER_002: Can I ask, how important is it to prepare for one's own death or the death of a second density friend?

00:50:00 SPEAKER_002: By prepare, I mean meditating, visualizing one's death, or doing whatever paperwork is necessary to put one's mind in a peaceful state.

00:50:01 SPEAKER_002: Yes, sir.

00:50:12 SPEAKER_002: To put one's mind in a peaceful state, and how does this preparation affect one's experience in the afterlife or one's rebirth?

00:50:16 SPEAKER_002: And I just want to note that Tricia is now channeling.

00:50:17 SPEAKER_002: Channeling, channeling.

00:50:20 SPEAKER_002: Yes, yes, this is true.

00:50:22 SPEAKER_002: So, a question about death.

00:50:36 SPEAKER_002: We are those Q'uo, and we are aware and appreciative of this query, my brother, for we feel within this instrument that she too has these types of questions,

00:50:43 SPEAKER_002: and we are under the impression that there are those in the circle who too have pondered such queries.

00:50:47 SPEAKER_002: I kind of ponder these queries all the time myself.

00:50:48 SPEAKER_002: Oh, okay.

00:50:57 SPEAKER_002: For one to prepare for the walk through that door, for it to be important to one's journey beyond that door, is a unique experience.

00:51:03 SPEAKER_002: It is unique to the person doing the walking.

00:51:08 SPEAKER_002: The ways that one prepares, be it mentally, be it emotionally.

00:51:14 SPEAKER_002: Mentally, be it emotionally, physically, or even logistically, through your various societal structures and norms, are dependent upon that unique experience.

00:51:23 SPEAKER_002: And what we would say, perhaps more important than the preparation itself, is the intention behind the preparation.

00:51:25 SPEAKER_002: It is the energy one invests.

00:51:27 SPEAKER_002: It is...

00:51:32 SPEAKER_002: We pause as an instrument to experience some slight tension.

00:51:43 SPEAKER_002: It is the investment of energy that one puts into the experience of planning; that which one invest in the desired outcome is of most importance.

00:52:00 SPEAKER_002: We shall say we understand that it is difficult in this third density experience to separate oneself from the identity from the physical vehicle and to see the life lived outside of those bonds.

00:52:09 SPEAKER_002: And so we understand that conversation about transition can be challenging, not just for the one transitioning, but for the ones who love that entity.

00:52:32 SPEAKER_002: If having preparations—be they conversations or planning logistics regarding going into a meditative state—is of help to the emotional state, to the calm and quietude of the inner being,

00:52:44 SPEAKER_002: whether that be the being doing the transitioning or the loved ones, we would say that of great importance is the love that you put into these actions: the kind and calm and gentle conversations,

00:52:53 SPEAKER_002: the expressions of gratitude one may have in these conversations, the taking time to spend in contemplation about transition.

00:53:02 SPEAKER_003: That can better prepare the self and the ones around the self for that inevitable day, perhaps.

00:53:11 SPEAKER_003: Of similar importance is the realization that time, as you experience it, is always in motion, always moving forward in your illusion.

00:53:20 SPEAKER_003: And so, presence—being aware of the present moment and spending that moment in grateful observation for the creation around you—is also very helpful.

00:53:26 SPEAKER_003: It allows one's self to take stock.

00:53:36 SPEAKER_003: You may say of the bounty of blessings one is experiencing in the now, so that when things change, as they inevitably do, you have fond memories,

00:53:43 SPEAKER_003: and you are able to touch into that experience with your being.

00:53:51 SPEAKER_003: For within the heart, there is no time; there is just it.

00:54:02 SPEAKER_003: You can relive these moments because they exist forever in the past, and in the future, and in the now within the self.

00:54:17 SPEAKER_003: Whenever you take these moments, you are not only investing in yourself, but you are investing in those around you, in your creation around you, in the chair that you sit upon,

00:54:21 SPEAKER_003: in the trees that you witness blowing in the wind, and the sounds of the birds chirping.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_003: You are investing awareness.

00:54:38 SPEAKER_003: The creation becomes more complex, more realized, more vibrant, and in so doing, your gifts that you take with you into the passage not only gift you for your next journey,

00:54:45 SPEAKER_003: but also gift the creation around you as they progress in their respective journeys.

00:55:02 SPEAKER_003: That realization is a dynamic relationship between the living in the present moment and the creation around you, and also with the input of a realization that there is an end to this physical beingness,

00:55:09 SPEAKER_003: with something beyond that which is slightly outside of your view; you may see the bigger picture.

00:55:18 SPEAKER_003: You may begin to understand the beauty, the perfection that is this challenging process in your eyes.

00:55:22 SPEAKER_003: Have faith that it is exactly as it should be.

00:55:36 SPEAKER_003: For those moments of absence help the self to know how great it is when it is there, and again helps the self learn that it is always there.

00:55:46 SPEAKER_003: It just takes on a different form—a form which is deeper within you, which is more than you can know.

00:55:58 SPEAKER_003: It is these moments, as you mentioned, of meditation, where you can go back; you can see how beautifully designed this all is,

00:56:12 SPEAKER_003: and you can begin to understand how the next step is all that there is—that this will eventually come to pass, has we said earlier, as the rock in the stream allowing it to pass.

00:56:18 SPEAKER_003: This is the cycle, but the cycle is intentional and it is powerful.

00:56:30 SPEAKER_003: It is a great gift, though it brings much pain and discomfort for teaching you your incarnation's greatest lessons about attachment, about love, about service.

00:56:42 SPEAKER_003: About servants and about presence, and ultimately, ultimately teaching you the greatest lesson about your creative creatorhood, about how you so designed this experience so that you may know better,

00:56:56 SPEAKER_003: may know more about yourself and other selfs; and with that knowledge, you walk through that door with much bravery, which—with much guidance—you open that door until you are completely through on the other side.

00:57:00 SPEAKER_003: You are always and ever surrounded by love.

00:57:07 SPEAKER_003: So, as we have said, those gifts, those moments, and memories—they follow, they help inform you.

00:57:21 SPEAKER_003: Preparing for that transition is up to the individual seeker, but having a realistic approach to that transition will help you in that walk.

00:57:25 SPEAKER_003: It will help you realize that it is infinity.

00:57:34 SPEAKER_003: Just because you feel as though you walk through the door and are in a different place, imagine yourself on that infinity symbol.

00:57:37 SPEAKER_003: You are looping and learning and growing and cycling.

00:57:40 SPEAKER_003: There is no end.

00:57:53 SPEAKER_003: With faith that all is well, with true, genuine excitement and love and gratitude for each moment, you may be more able to greet the sun on the other side,

00:57:59 SPEAKER_003: and know that all that you love is still there.

00:58:07 SPEAKER_003: It exists with those you may leave behind, as it exists with those you are re-greeting.

00:58:10 SPEAKER_003: You may say so because it just is.

00:58:12 SPEAKER_003: It simply is.

00:58:18 SPEAKER_003: It is bound not by body, by time, or by space.

00:58:20 SPEAKER_003: It simply is.

00:58:20 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:58:23 SPEAKER_003: Thank you so much.

00:58:24 SPEAKER_003: Um.

00:58:25 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:58:27 SPEAKER_003: Simply is.

00:58:35 SPEAKER_003: It simply is.

00:58:36 SPEAKER_003: Everybody.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_003: Okay, tell me what were the key lessons.

00:58:40 SPEAKER_003: What did you?

00:58:48 SPEAKER_003: There's quite a lot in there about like you know how we're supported and there's love at all levels,

00:59:05 SPEAKER_003: which kind of really rings true for like the whole NDE experiences that people talk about and you know might have had experience in.

00:59:12 SPEAKER_003: But the thing that really struck me is like...

00:59:16 SPEAKER_003: I've only communicated with a couple of dead people.

00:59:23 SPEAKER_003: But what I have found is very much this kind of thing: "We're gone now."

00:59:26 SPEAKER_003: This is a projection, as it were.

00:59:33 SPEAKER_003: It's not really them; you know, because where they go on, they're happier and they're fine with it.

00:59:44 SPEAKER_003: They—you know—you close one door and you open another, and yeah, yeah, you don't want to go back again.

00:59:47 SPEAKER_003: So yeah, I don't know...

01:00:01 SPEAKER_003: That kind of felt like the reassuring way that they said it really tied in with the experiences I've had from entities I've interacted with; have been right.

01:00:04 SPEAKER_003: And it touches on a few things.

01:00:10 SPEAKER_003: It touches on gratitude and just being present in what you're dealing with now, and...

01:00:27 SPEAKER_003: And of course it is—it's a good thing to understand that your mortality and that eventually an end will come in this life; you know, and that end is just a transition.

01:00:34 SPEAKER_003: You know, we've done it many, many times.

01:00:45 SPEAKER_003: You know, one thing I'm always telling myself is because I've seen a lot of NDEs where people look at their body from their spirits...

01:00:54 SPEAKER_003: From their experience: or they're in a hospital or some other situation, and they completely become instantly detached from their body.

01:01:15 SPEAKER_002: They just go, "Oh my gosh, what's that?"

01:01:29 SPEAKER_004: You know, and they literally become detached from the whole experience they just went through.

01:01:39 SPEAKER_004: For me, I want to at least when I pass: is just look at my body and just go, "Thank you, body," for dealing with me for the lifetime, for the pain and suffering you've endured,

01:01:43 SPEAKER_004: for everything you've done for me to help me live.

01:01:53 SPEAKER_004: So I want to be really appreciative of my body before I become completely detached from this place, and I don't want to...

01:02:04 SPEAKER_004: And I really want to be really grateful for the experience because it's hard to imagine, but these incarnations are gifts; they're incredible experiences, and we can't get these kind of gifts any other way.

01:02:11 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, dude, I totally agree, man.

01:02:21 SPEAKER_004: Like you know—um, yeah, when I died... uh, I remember like full on: I was laying there, and I just fully came to terms with it.

01:02:34 SPEAKER_003: Like I fully came to terms with the fact that I was going to go; that this is it.

01:02:42 SPEAKER_003: And I got this whole wave of like, "I've really enjoyed my life.

01:02:45 SPEAKER_003: I've had a fucking wonderful time."

01:02:52 SPEAKER_003: I'm so grateful for the life that I've had, you know.

01:02:56 SPEAKER_003: And if this is—the end—and this is the end: this is it.

01:03:04 SPEAKER_003: But yeah... and I clearly remember that; you know, like that's probably the last bit I do remember.

01:03:08 SPEAKER_003: To be fair, to wake up a couple days later, but yeah.

01:03:19 SPEAKER_003: But I think that calm acceptance thing coming over you is the first stage of that whole thing that you're talking about.

01:03:28 SPEAKER_003: Like you know—like yeah, well it makes sense: your higher self would leave that as your last memory there.

01:03:31 SPEAKER_003: And yeah, it makes sense.

01:03:35 SPEAKER_003: And you know, we're so glad to still have you with us.

01:03:39 SPEAKER_003: And when did this happen?

01:03:41 SPEAKER_003: Um, when was it?

01:03:46 SPEAKER_003: It must have been about two thousand and four, maybe.

01:03:48 SPEAKER_003: Oh, two thousand and four.

01:03:49 SPEAKER_003: Oh, okay.

01:03:51 SPEAKER_003: It was Christmas—Christmas day.

01:03:58 SPEAKER_003: Uh... like, one in the morning; they just turned to Christmas Day as a party.

01:04:04 SPEAKER_003: And one of my friends was deeply upset, and he was going to try and kill himself.

01:04:16 SPEAKER_003: And I thought—he was messing about—and I went out trying to kind of help him, essentially.

01:04:29 SPEAKER_004: But we used to do this kind of play fight thing: it was like you know—like Fight Club—but we weren't really trying to hurt each other; it was just messing around.

01:04:34 SPEAKER_004: And uh... okay.

01:04:35 SPEAKER_004: I suppose I misread the situation, not knowing the state he was in.

01:04:38 SPEAKER_004: And you know—I thought we were playing; we're messing about—but he was actually trying to kill me!

01:04:39 SPEAKER_004: Oh wow!

01:04:44 SPEAKER_004: And then—you know—I was just like: "What the fuck are you doing, man?"

01:04:47 SPEAKER_004: Then he kind of gave up and went to leave.

01:04:52 SPEAKER_004: And then I went all compassionate again: "Oh dude—sorry, service dressing... do you know what I mean?

01:04:53 SPEAKER_004: Re-up, man.

01:04:58 SPEAKER_004: Just give me the knife back; you can't be going out or fucking like this with a knife outside."

01:05:08 SPEAKER_004: And he walked over like he was gonna give me the knife back, and then literally—a foot away—he just sucker stabbed me before I could react!

01:05:09 SPEAKER_004: So that's scary.

01:05:12 SPEAKER_004: That's terrible.

01:05:17 SPEAKER_004: Yeah... so that kind of sucked.

01:05:25 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:05:30 SPEAKER_002: So you woke up several days later?

01:05:37 SPEAKER_004: Well I know—I died a couple times as they resuscitated me; did they call the ambulance?

01:05:43 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, like—so I got there but I'd already passed out from blood loss before they arrived.

01:05:47 SPEAKER_004: And then everyone thought I was dead straight up!

01:05:55 SPEAKER_004: But wow... when I woke up, I really had this feeling like I'd been somewhere else—a real life-changing confirmation thing.

01:05:59 SPEAKER_004: But yeah—it kind of filled the whole right side of my ribcage with blood; crushed my lungs and shit.

01:06:05 SPEAKER_004: It was pretty gross.

01:06:08 SPEAKER_004: Took a good year to recover because my fucking rib cage was fucked.

01:06:08 SPEAKER_004: But live and learn!

01:06:15 SPEAKER_004: And I always say: Shaymin's got to die—otherwise if you haven't been to the other side, then you can't be set up to do the work.

01:06:24 SPEAKER_004: And one thing I'll add is with all the NDEs I've seen—and even what the Confederation says: when people die, if they're stuck in a mode; say deeply into religion,

01:06:29 SPEAKER_004: dogma—or deep into some... because for example, a lot of people grew up Christian and totally denied that faith, becoming total atheists.

01:06:33 SPEAKER_004: And then—they believe there's nothing after death—so they die—and this happens in several NDEs: they think "Oh crap!

01:06:37 SPEAKER_004: I'm a total sinner; I'm an atheist so I'm going to hell!"

01:06:39 SPEAKER_004: And instantly they'll be in hell.

01:06:45 SPEAKER_004: So these things play out in your mind, and the ones who've gone through that will call on Jesus or something—then they're right out of hell.

01:06:51 SPEAKER_004: But when you pass—you will play out what's in your mind; it'll probably take a while for you to get out of that.

01:06:52 SPEAKER_004: Yeah—it's a transition dream.

01:06:54 SPEAKER_004: So Bravatsky said once: really stuck with me...

01:06:57 SPEAKER_004: "The most purest satanic is an atheist."

01:06:58 SPEAKER_004: Oh yeah—basically.

01:07:07 SPEAKER_004: And I've heard NDEs where people sounded like they were totally going into what the Confederation describes as fourth density negative—a war against all—and getting sucked in;

01:07:12 SPEAKER_004: then you know—they tell you in life they were real selfish people, all about...

01:07:15 SPEAKER_004: Yeah—that makes sense!

01:07:19 SPEAKER_004: So they got that little preview of hell.

01:07:24 SPEAKER_004: "Oh I don't want to go there!"

01:07:28 SPEAKER_004: Oh wow—Len so I'm a lot nicer these days.

01:07:28 SPEAKER_004: Good good!

01:07:30 SPEAKER_004: Sometimes people just need a preview.

01:07:38 SPEAKER_004: And it's all has to do with their own mind—not what the Creator did or anything else; it's just decisions they made and ultimately how they view things.

01:07:41 SPEAKER_004: Well let's see... oh where am I?

01:07:46 SPEAKER_004: Oh my gosh—I lost you guys!

01:07:47 SPEAKER_004: There you are!

01:07:56 SPEAKER_004: Oh I'm sharing this: each soul prepares its own way for one to prepare for walking through that door—it's a unique experience.

01:07:58 SPEAKER_004: That's what we were talking about.

01:08:02 SPEAKER_004: Perhaps more important than the preparation itself is the intention behind it—the paperwork, conversations.

01:08:05 SPEAKER_004: What gives spiritual power is love, faith, honesty and peace invested.

01:08:17 SPEAKER_003: Transition can be difficult to speak about; we understand conversations about transition are challenging—not just for the one transitioning but for those who love that entity: death asks the self to loosen its identification with body,

01:08:21 SPEAKER_003: role and familiar personality—this is tender work!

01:08:29 SPEAKER_003: The loved ones around the one transitioning are also invited to release trust, grief loss and love more deeply.

01:08:40 SPEAKER_003: Loving preparation calms the inner being; if having preparations helps emotional state—the calm quietude of the inner being—is great importance placed on the love you put in these actions.

01:08:45 SPEAKER_003: Goal isn't to master death intellectually—it's to soften heart into peace!

01:08:52 SPEAKER_003: Practical preparations can be deeply spiritual when they reduce fear and make room for gratitude forgiveness blessing presence!

01:09:01 SPEAKER_003: Gentle conversations are holy work: kind calm gentle conversations; expressions of gratitude one may have—good death is helped by truthful loving conversation!

01:09:03 SPEAKER_003: Presence is part of the preparation.

01:09:13 SPEAKER_003: Presence, being aware of the present moment and spending that moment in the grateful observation of the creation around you, is also very helpful.

01:09:16 SPEAKER_003: Love is not bounded by time.

01:09:20 SPEAKER_003: For within the heart there is no time; there is just it.

01:09:21 SPEAKER_003: Awareness blesses the whole creation.

01:09:30 SPEAKER_003: You are not only investing in yourself, but you are investing in those around you, in your creation around you.

01:09:35 SPEAKER_003: To be present with love is to make creation more vivid.

01:09:45 SPEAKER_003: The seeker who prepares for transition through gratitude and awareness gifts not only the self but also the people, animals, places, and moments around the self.

01:09:49 SPEAKER_004: Death teaches detachment, love, service, and presence.

01:10:05 SPEAKER_003: It is a great gift, though it brings much pain and discomfort for teaching you and your incarnations greatest lessons about attachment, about love, about service, and about presence.

01:10:09 SPEAKER_003: The soul is supported through the doorway.

01:10:16 SPEAKER_003: From the second you open the doorway until you are completely through the other side, you are always and ever surrounded by love.

01:10:17 SPEAKER_003: Amen.

01:10:20 SPEAKER_003: Imagine yourself walking on the infinity symbol.

01:10:24 SPEAKER_003: You are looping and learning and growing and sanctifying.

01:10:29 SPEAKER_003: There is no end.

01:10:34 SPEAKER_003: Know that all that you love is still there.

01:10:39 SPEAKER_003: It is bound not by body, by time, or by space.

01:10:42 SPEAKER_003: It simply is.

01:10:50 SPEAKER_003: A speaker might sit quietly and pray, beloved Creator, help me prepare for transition with love rather than fear.

01:11:04 SPEAKER_002: Help me speak gently, forgive freely, give thanks honestly, and be present with the life before me.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_002: May I remember that love is not bound by body, time, or space.

01:11:17 SPEAKER_002: May I walk through every doorway surrounded by love, and may those I love feel that same peace.

01:11:18 SPEAKER_002: All right.

01:11:18 SPEAKER_002: That's a nice message.

01:11:20 SPEAKER_002: Okay, so we have time for one more.

01:11:25 SPEAKER_002: If you guys are still with me, yes, cool.

01:11:26 SPEAKER_002: When there, yes, great.

01:11:38 SPEAKER_002: When there are decisions to be made in life, how do you recognize which one is the most full of love, contains the best and highest good?

01:11:42 SPEAKER_002: How do you recognize that, Phil?

01:11:44 SPEAKER_002: You're Bill, you are muted.

01:11:45 SPEAKER_002: Okay, there you go.

01:11:47 SPEAKER_002: Okay, we are those a Q'uo.

01:11:50 SPEAKER_002: This is an excellent question, by the way.

01:11:57 SPEAKER_002: We are those a Q'uo, and we are aware of and appreciate this query, my sister.

01:12:09 SPEAKER_002: This is a most personal journey one may embark upon, for there is much that the intellectual mind can play through various formulas; it can compute and tabulate.

01:12:21 SPEAKER_002: But ultimately, it is in the sanctity, it is in the church of the heart, within that chapel of silence, that one may uncover that which is the highest and best for a dynamic situation.

01:12:28 SPEAKER_002: By that, we don't do not mean meditation is the only way of coming about that.

01:12:42 SPEAKER_002: We simply mean that finding yourself is a challenging situation, and desiring to know what is the highest and best requires the practice of honing of one's intuition.

01:12:50 SPEAKER_002: It requires the trust in one's ability to know oneself, to accept oneself, and to see oneself as perfectly imperfect.

01:12:58 SPEAKER_002: To know that there will be mistakes, and that that is part of the lesson.

01:13:00 SPEAKER_002: With that knowledge, one cannot fail.

01:13:14 SPEAKER_002: So long as one is always pointing to the steering wheel in the direction of love, how one may do that is to take oneself into that sanctum of silence, and to focus on love.

01:13:24 SPEAKER_002: Be that an image, a person, an idea, anything which resounds within your being of love, which brings that emotion to the forefront of your heart and your mind.

01:13:34 SPEAKER_002: When focusing upon that element, you may begin to ask yourself, "I wish to move forward and make a decision from this place.

01:13:45 SPEAKER_002: I am feeling in this moment," and then allow oneself to be enveloped by that love with an open mind and an open ear.

01:13:56 SPEAKER_002: It is in that silent, loving place where one is overtaken by the things which bring one joy that one may begin to hear the whispers or the nudges or the visions,

01:13:58 SPEAKER_002: which allow oneself to see a path forward.

01:14:10 SPEAKER_002: Now we understand that there will be times when one undertakes this practice, and the path forward is a little murky, or perhaps a seeker is presented with two paths.

01:14:19 SPEAKER_002: My friend, that is when the full trust in yourself and believing in one's core that all is well will be of great aid.

01:14:20 SPEAKER_002: There will be missteps.

01:14:23 SPEAKER_002: There will be times when decisions are challenging to make.

01:14:47 SPEAKER_002: But when decisions are challenging to make, when everything may go right, and we use "right" in a subjective way, and times when I feel it feels like everything has gone to dirt, my friends,

01:14:50 SPEAKER_002: you cannot make a mistake.

01:14:54 SPEAKER_002: You can only learn from these things.

01:14:54 SPEAKER_002: Trust yourself.

01:14:55 SPEAKER_002: Trust your heart.

01:15:04 SPEAKER_002: Trust the pureness of the love you feel whenever you meditate upon it, and know that you are by your very nature.

01:15:22 SPEAKER_003: And by asking these questions, setting a pure intention towards making big decisions in your life with compassion, with a mind towards service, have faith in your ability, and give yourself much grace, much patience.

01:15:31 SPEAKER_003: Sometimes decisions or changes in life require more than just a single meditation or a single space of contemplation.

01:15:34 SPEAKER_003: Perhaps it takes many.

01:15:42 SPEAKER_003: Perhaps it comes out of nowhere and hits you like a ton of bricks.

01:15:57 SPEAKER_003: You may say, and you realize what is at the core is the central feeling within you that you are worthy, that you are full of love and made by love,

01:16:00 SPEAKER_003: and that you invest love in this path.

01:16:01 SPEAKER_003: Have faith.

01:16:04 SPEAKER_003: We cannot stress this enough.

01:16:09 SPEAKER_003: Trust yourself, and always step with love in your heart.

01:16:17 SPEAKER_003: Now, my friend, that which you seek, you shall find.

01:16:23 SPEAKER_003: Perhaps in a different costume, perhaps in a different place, but it will be there.

01:16:33 SPEAKER_003: And know always, as we say many times over, that you have the support of the universe around you.

01:16:47 SPEAKER_003: Feel free at any time to call upon us in your moments of despair or trial, your moments of joy, your moments of confusion, and we are there with a hand upon your shoulder,

01:16:51 SPEAKER_003: or walking alongside you, or even just witnessing.

01:16:59 SPEAKER_003: We are there, feeling as though we may have missed the central part of your query, my sister.

01:17:05 SPEAKER_003: We would ask if there's anything more we can speak to.

01:17:07 SPEAKER_003: No, genuinely, that was perfect.

01:17:08 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

01:17:13 SPEAKER_003: All right, so we'll break down this last one before my bedtime.

01:17:17 SPEAKER_003: Okay, now for points for seekers, making decisions from the heart.

01:17:20 SPEAKER_003: The mind can analyze, but the heart must discern.

01:17:28 SPEAKER_003: There is much of the intellectual mind can play through various formulas; it can compute and tabulate.

01:17:30 SPEAKER_003: The rational mind has its place.

01:17:37 SPEAKER_003: It can compare options, list consequences, and organize practical facts.

01:17:44 SPEAKER_003: Yet the highest and best choice is uncovered more deeply in the heart, where love, intuition, and service come clear.

01:17:47 SPEAKER_003: Enter the silence of the heart.

01:17:59 SPEAKER_003: It is in the sanctity, it is in the church of the heart, within the chapel of silence, that one may uncover that which is high.

01:18:04 SPEAKER_003: That which is the highest and best, the seeker is invited inward.

01:18:11 SPEAKER_003: Before deciding, enter a quiet inner place where the noise of fear, pressure, pride, and urgency can settle.

01:18:15 SPEAKER_003: In that stillness, the deeper current of love becomes easier to perceive.

01:18:18 SPEAKER_003: Intuition must be practiced and honed.

01:18:26 SPEAKER_003: Desiring to know what is the highest and best requires the practice and honing of one's intuition.

01:18:28 SPEAKER_003: Intuition grows through use.

01:18:31 SPEAKER_003: The seeker learns to recognize the feeling of love.

01:18:41 SPEAKER_003: The texture of peace, the warning of contraction, and the quiet nudge of guidance by repeatedly returning to the heart.

01:18:44 SPEAKER_003: Self-trust and self-acceptance are part of discernment.

01:18:56 SPEAKER_003: It requires the trust in one's ability to know oneself, to accept oneself, and to see oneself as perfectly imperfect.

01:19:01 SPEAKER_003: A seeker cannot make clear decisions while condemning the self.

01:19:05 SPEAKER_003: Discernment improves when the self is seen with mercy, imperfect, learning, sincere, and worthy of guidance.

01:19:08 SPEAKER_003: Mistakes are part of the lesson.

01:19:10 SPEAKER_003: There will be mistakes.

01:19:11 SPEAKER_003: That is part of the lesson.

01:19:17 SPEAKER_003: Well, you know, I think that they usually say there are no mistakes, only surprises.

01:19:23 SPEAKER_003: The goal is sincere movement toward love, rather than flawless prediction.

01:19:26 SPEAKER_003: Even a difficult choice can teach the soul.

01:19:30 SPEAKER_003: Even an apparent misstep can become catalyst for wisdom and deeper humility.

01:19:36 SPEAKER_003: That I can agree.

01:19:49 SPEAKER_003: You know, like sometimes I say things which seem, on their face, to me, unobjectionable, but then I am, I receive objections, and that becomes catalyst for wisdom and deeper humility.

01:19:53 SPEAKER_003: Opportunities for, especially for love, keeping the steering wheel pointed toward love.

01:20:02 SPEAKER_003: One cannot fail so long as one is always pointing the steering wheel in the direction of love.

01:20:03 SPEAKER_003: Exactly.

01:20:04 SPEAKER_003: This is the central test.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_003: When options are unclear, ask which direction preserves compassion, respect, humility, service, truth, and the open heart.

01:20:18 SPEAKER_003: The exact road may twist, but the orientation matters.

01:20:29 SPEAKER_003: Ed, go ahead.

01:20:46 SPEAKER_002: I was just going to say, like for me, this a lot of these answers just kind of comes down to awareness, right?

01:20:52 SPEAKER_002: You know, over time, you know, we build up that awareness of the intuition.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_002: You know, of however it comes, whether it's noticing synchronicity is, whether it's hearing the little voice, wherever it is.

01:21:09 SPEAKER_002: You know, over time, the more that you use that faculty, and like I said, the more that you bring things back to the heart.

01:21:11 SPEAKER_002: You know, like doesn't matter what it is.

01:21:14 SPEAKER_002: You know, see the creator in it.

01:21:19 SPEAKER_002: You know, like balance, like transmute the feelings, whatever else.

01:21:25 SPEAKER_002: Try and always bring things back to your heart, even if you react and you go like ah, doesn't matter.

01:21:33 SPEAKER_002: Afterwards, bring it back, apologise, do the right thing, bring it back to compassion.

01:21:44 SPEAKER_002: You know, then you learn the kind of I don't know, the the the I suppose what they say, the discipline in your personality, and that gives you this level of awareness.

01:21:53 SPEAKER_002: It gives you a kind of like you can be more open to what the universe is showing you.

01:22:03 SPEAKER_002: You know, because of the fact that you're so used to that heart coherent state, you're going back to that place where you're gonna connect to that stuff.

01:22:07 SPEAKER_002: So yeah, I think that it's all linked.

01:22:22 SPEAKER_002: Like the more you become aware of these things, then the more intuition is gonna kick in, and the more you're gonna notice, and the more things are gonna happen,

01:22:25 SPEAKER_002: the more synchronicities are gonna pile up.

01:22:40 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I find it really reassuring how it says: "You know, keeping that steering wheel toward love, that you will always succeed," you know, and you know that just is so comforting.

01:22:46 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, and kind of that makes sense with what they said before about the mistakes.

01:22:54 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, you can keep your steering wheel pointed towards love.

01:23:02 SPEAKER_002: That doesn't mean everything's always going to go right.

01:23:06 SPEAKER_002: Does that not mean everything's like you're not going to fuck up?

01:23:09 SPEAKER_002: Doesn't mean that things aren't going to go wrong because they will.

01:23:12 SPEAKER_002: That's catalyst, right?

01:23:25 SPEAKER_004: But if you're always keeping the steering wheel and the compass pointing towards love and pointing towards doing the right thing, you know, service to others, then it doesn't really matter.

01:23:29 SPEAKER_004: Everything can go wrong.

01:23:37 SPEAKER_004: You could have the most horrible life.

01:23:39 SPEAKER_004: You could be like Joe or whatever.

01:23:39 SPEAKER_004: You know, everything goes completely sideways, right?

01:23:51 SPEAKER_004: And as long as you're still doing love, when you die, when it all goes wrong, and you know, when your house falls in on your head or whatever, doesn't matter because you've done everything right.

01:23:57 SPEAKER_004: You know, even whatever circumstances you're in, you kept that dedication to love, dedication to service, and then you're all right.

01:23:58 SPEAKER_004: You passed with flying colours, even if you fucked up loads of times.

01:24:03 SPEAKER_004: As long as you kept going back to that love place, you're winning.

01:24:05 SPEAKER_004: You know.

01:24:05 SPEAKER_004: Amen.

01:24:05 SPEAKER_004: Amen.

01:24:06 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:24:12 SPEAKER_004: And I'd like to add that this is very high-level awareness stuff.

01:24:22 SPEAKER_004: When you can get to this place, what you're talking about right now—you know, keeping the steering wheel pointed to love—that's very high awareness.

01:24:24 SPEAKER_004: That's spiritual evolution, a spiritual evolution leap.

01:24:26 SPEAKER_004: But I just call it—having a long-term girlfriend.

01:24:33 SPEAKER_004: You know, love.

01:24:41 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:24:49 SPEAKER_004: No, you have to keep bringing it back to love, no matter how much they wind you up; you have to keep going back to that hot place.

01:24:51 SPEAKER_004: Yes, dear.

01:24:51 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

01:24:55 SPEAKER_002: Basically, yeah.

01:25:02 SPEAKER_002: Whatever happens, yes, you're right, dear.

01:25:05 SPEAKER_002: I love you.

01:25:11 SPEAKER_002: You're in a state of surrender when you're steering the wheel towards love.

01:25:17 SPEAKER_002: You're in a constant state of surrender to the Creator.

01:25:18 SPEAKER_004: You're in love and acceptance.

01:25:20 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, acceptance, dude.

01:25:23 SPEAKER_004: That's the point.

01:25:25 SPEAKER_004: It's not surrender; it's acceptance.

01:25:29 SPEAKER_004: Is gladly taking these things on, and if that means surrendering yourself, then so be it.

01:25:30 SPEAKER_004: But I see it as gladly accepting.

01:25:30 SPEAKER_004: You know.

01:25:32 SPEAKER_004: No, that's beautiful.

01:25:33 SPEAKER_004: Yep.

01:25:35 SPEAKER_004: Says focus on love.

01:25:41 SPEAKER_004: Be that an image, a person, an idea, anything which resounds within your being of love.

01:25:46 SPEAKER_004: Think of a person, memory, prayer, image, or sacred idea that awakened love.

01:25:47 SPEAKER_004: Let the decision arise from that vibration.

01:25:53 SPEAKER_004: Ask from within: "Love, I wish to move forward and make a decision from this place."

01:25:56 SPEAKER_004: The question changes when asked from the heart.

01:25:57 SPEAKER_004: Instead of "What will protect me from discomfort?"

01:26:05 SPEAKER_004: or "What will make me look right?", the seeker asks, "What step expresses love most faithfully from here?"

01:26:09 SPEAKER_004: Guidance may come as whispers, nudges, or visions.

01:26:18 SPEAKER_004: One may begin to hear the whispers, or the nudges, or the visions which allow oneself to see a path forward.

01:26:19 SPEAKER_004: Hard guidance often arrives gently.

01:26:31 SPEAKER_003: It may feel like a quiet pull, a repeated image, a sense of rightness, a softening of phrase, or direction that becomes clearer as the seeker listens.

01:26:34 SPEAKER_003: Some choices stay murky for a while.

01:26:45 SPEAKER_004: There will be times when the path forward is a little murky, or perhaps the seeker is presented with two paths.

01:26:48 SPEAKER_004: Lack of instant clarity does not mean failure.

01:26:56 SPEAKER_004: Some decisions require repeated contemplation, patience, prayer, conversation, and lived experience before the true shape of the path emerges.

01:26:58 SPEAKER_004: Trust that all is well, even when the road becomes difficult.

01:27:05 SPEAKER_004: There will be times when it feels like everything has gone to dirt, my friends.

01:27:09 SPEAKER_004: You cannot make a mistake; you can only learn from these things.

01:27:19 SPEAKER_004: One of the things I needed to hear this evening: a loving choice may still lead to difficulty.

01:27:23 SPEAKER_004: The outer result alone does not prove whether the decision was spiritually valid.

01:27:28 SPEAKER_004: The seeker learns, adjusts, forgives self, and keeps walking.

01:27:29 SPEAKER_004: Give yourself grace and patience.

01:27:35 SPEAKER_004: Have faith in your ability, and give yourself much grace and much patience.

01:27:39 SPEAKER_004: And perhaps it comes out of nowhere and hits you like a ton of bricks.

01:27:43 SPEAKER_004: The answer may arrive suddenly.

01:27:44 SPEAKER_004: Ha ha!

01:27:46 SPEAKER_002: Some discernment ripens through below conscious awareness.

01:27:55 SPEAKER_002: Yes, well, you know, I think it also has to do with how well you are listening.

01:27:56 SPEAKER_002: Remember your worthiness.

01:28:04 SPEAKER_002: You are worthy; that you are full of love and made by love, and that you invest love.

01:28:08 SPEAKER_002: The seeker does not choose well by fearfully trying to earn love.

01:28:14 SPEAKER_002: The seeker chooses well by remembering that love is already the substance of the self.

01:28:16 SPEAKER_002: Then, investing that love into the path ahead.

01:28:18 SPEAKER_002: Ooh, I like that one.

01:28:23 SPEAKER_002: You're worthy, and you're full of love, made by love.

01:28:26 SPEAKER_002: Yes, not fearful to try to give love.

01:28:27 SPEAKER_002: Support is always available.

01:28:31 SPEAKER_002: You have the support of the universe around you.

01:28:35 SPEAKER_002: Discernment is personal, but the seeker is never spiritually isolated.

01:28:41 SPEAKER_002: Help may come through silence, friends, dreams, prayer, synchronicity, inner guidance, or unseen companionship.

01:28:43 SPEAKER_002: Simple companionship.

01:28:43 SPEAKER_002: A simple practice.

01:28:49 SPEAKER_002: A seeker might sit quietly and pray: "Beloved Creator, bring me into the chapel of the heart.

01:28:53 SPEAKER_002: Help me feel the love from which I wish to choose.

01:28:57 SPEAKER_002: Let fear, pride, and confusion settle.

01:29:05 SPEAKER_002: Show me the next step that points the steering wheel toward love, service, truth, and community.

01:29:12 SPEAKER_002: Give me the patience where the path is murky, and faith that every sincere step can become learning."

01:29:12 SPEAKER_002: Amen.

01:29:13 SPEAKER_002: All right.

01:29:17 SPEAKER_002: With that, any final remarks or questions before we close out the session?

01:29:18 SPEAKER_002: Well done.

01:29:19 SPEAKER_002: Well done.

01:29:19 SPEAKER_002: All right.

01:29:21 SPEAKER_002: Thank you, everybody.

01:29:22 SPEAKER_002: It was fun.

01:29:24 SPEAKER_002: I love you guys.

01:29:25 SPEAKER_002: You're awesome.

01:29:26 SPEAKER_002: Yeah.

01:29:28 SPEAKER_002: Yeah, I love you too, Ed.

01:29:30 SPEAKER_002: Love you guys.

01:29:31 SPEAKER_002: Love y'all.

01:29:33 SPEAKER_002: I'm with you.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_002: So, as we found you, we leave you in infinite love and infinite light of the infinite Creator within you and around you, my friends.

01:29:46 SPEAKER_002: Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in that infinite power, the infinite peace.

01:29:48 SPEAKER_002: Adonai, Subhanos.

01:29:49 SPEAKER_002: Adonai.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_002: I ended the stream.

01:29:54 SPEAKER_002: Oh, and Andrei.

01:29:54 SPEAKER_002: Yes.