Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — June 6, 2026

00:00:00 speaker_unknown: Love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:02 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm Andrii Zvorygin, joined here today with Bill, Ed, Fred, and Eric, and we'll be reading the March 28th session of the LL Research Challenge from 2026 on the importance of method—or rather intention—rather than method.

00:00:30 Andrii Zvorygin: In seeking and helping young children to listen, the infinite holographic nature of creation, understanding worship, processing our collective shadow, and whether relieving suffering is inhibiting spiritual growth.

00:00:43 Andrii Zvorygin: We might not get to all of those things, but we're gonna do our best to read it and integrate the knowledge,

00:00:54 Andrii Zvorygin: share and discuss to better help the viewers see how it could be applied to their lives, and we hope that this will be an enriching experience for all.

00:01:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, I have one.

00:01:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Ko.

00:01:07 Andrii Zvorygin: I was recently reading a channeling session in which Q'uo has said that the framework within each seeker is not as important as the seeking itself, and that had a profound impact on me.

00:01:18 Andrii Zvorygin: So I'd love to hear you expand on that a little bit.

00:01:27 Andrii Zvorygin: And also, at the time I read it, I was thinking—and the feeling I get when I am actively doing what I think of as spiritual seeking—is a very full heart,

00:01:32 Andrii Zvorygin: and I feel like I'm being nourished on kind of a soul level.

00:01:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Sometimes I also get that when I'm at my job working with children with disabilities or when I'm making art.

00:01:50 Andrii Zvorygin: And I wonder from your perspective if you could comment on whether those other activities are also ones in which you can seek spiritually,

00:01:55 Andrii Zvorygin: and is that an effective form of seeking as when you're doing it in a particularly religious or spiritual context?

00:02:02 Andrii Zvorygin: This Bill is reading.

00:02:04 Andrii Zvorygin: I am.

00:02:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Do you want me to read?

00:02:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, go ahead.

00:02:14 SPEAKER_464: Okay, I am Q'uo, and we are very grateful to be able to attempt to answer your query, my brother.

00:02:19 SPEAKER_464: For this is a concept that everyone deals with whether consciously or subconsciously.

00:02:31 SPEAKER_464: Your desire to seek the truth of the unity of creation and the Creator everywhere existing in order for it to know itself better is something that you do in your own way.

00:02:45 SPEAKER_464: If you wish to develop a certain ritual, a process that has meaning to you that structures the seeking, that is perfectly fine.

00:02:51 SPEAKER_464: It is however not necessary to develop any particular process for setting your intention to seek; serve every time you take a breath, take a step in your life, you are serving the Creator.

00:03:02 SPEAKER_464: You are giving of yourself in whatever way comes your way.

00:03:08 SPEAKER_464: Whether it is helping a child find its mother in a crowded place that they are shopping,

00:03:12 SPEAKER_464: whether it is stopping to help someone who has lost their way home or perhaps making a donation to a charity that helps people suffering various illnesses.

00:03:24 SPEAKER_464: If you set your intention to be of service in your seeking, that is the foundation upon which you can build whatever structure you wish to use.

00:03:35 SPEAKER_464: That is what we have done in our own life path and we have found it very helpful.

00:03:41 SPEAKER_464: Occasionally we make certain structures to see how they work in a certain situation.

00:03:48 SPEAKER_464: It is well to be flexible in your choices of structures or lack thereof.

00:03:52 SPEAKER_464: You are the Creator, as Ross said.

00:04:00 SPEAKER_464: There are no mistakes; however there are surprises, and the surprise is that you can make no mistakes—a conundrum, of course.

00:04:16 SPEAKER_464: This is their density so we use these terms to help give you the feeling of freedom that you can take your next step in whatever way you wish to,

00:04:24 SPEAKER_464: as long as the intention for making that step is to be of service to others and to discover the truth of the Creator everywhere around you.

00:04:30 SPEAKER_464: Is there another query my brother?

00:04:33 SPEAKER_464: No I think that's great.

00:04:34 SPEAKER_307: Thank you so much.

00:04:37 Andrii Zvorygin: All right welcome Grace and Kathleen.

00:04:40 SPEAKER_307: Nice to have you with us.

00:04:49 SPEAKER_307: And we're just doing something about intentions and such.

00:04:53 SPEAKER_307: Very good very good.

00:04:56 SPEAKER_307: All right.

00:05:08 SPEAKER_307: Now give us quotes and explanations from the following of key concepts for seekers.

00:05:10 SPEAKER_307: Okay hopefully you guys can see that here are strong key concepts for seekers with short quotes and practical explanations.

00:05:26 SPEAKER_307: Okay your desire to seek the truth of unity of creation and the Creator everywhere existing is something that you do in your own way.

00:05:35 SPEAKER_307: Q'uo begins by freeing the seeker from comparison.

00:05:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Seeking does not have to look the same for everyone.

00:05:42 Andrii Zvorygin: One person may find one person may find the Creator through prayer another through art another through service parenting teaching gardening or ordinary acts of kindness.

00:05:50 Andrii Zvorygin: The heart of the matter is the desire to discover unity and serve the Creator in daily life.

00:05:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Rituals are useful but optional.

00:06:02 Andrii Zvorygin: If you wish to develop a certain ritual a process that has meaning to you that structures the seeking that is perfectly fine.

00:06:04 Andrii Zvorygin: It is however not necessary.

00:06:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Spiritual structure can help.

00:06:14 Andrii Zvorygin: A ritual prayer practice meditation routine church service or devotional habit can focus the mind and open the heart but Q'uo is careful to say that the structure itself is secondary.

00:06:18 Andrii Zvorygin: A method can support seeking but the method is not the source.

00:06:33 Andrii Zvorygin: I think an analogy that I'm getting now is like a cup you know the method is the cup but it is the liquid of the living waters of the Creator which are the source.

00:06:46 Andrii Zvorygin: Intention is the foundation.

00:06:54 Andrii Zvorygin: To set your intention to seek serve every time you take a breath take a step in your life you are serving the Creator.

00:06:56 Andrii Zvorygin: This is the core teaching.

00:07:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Intention sanctifies the ordinary.

00:07:09 Andrii Zvorygin: When the seeker chooses to live in service every breath and every step can become part of that path.

00:07:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Spiritual life is not confined to formal religious settings.

00:07:18 Andrii Zvorygin: It can be lived continuously moment by moment.

00:07:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Service can happen in simple daily acts whether it is helping a child find its mother stopping to help someone who has lost their way home or perhaps making a donation to a charity.

00:07:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Q'uo gives humble concrete examples.

00:07:37 Andrii Zvorygin: These are not grand mystical achievements.

00:07:39 Andrii Zvorygin: They are ordinary acts of care.

00:07:42 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker does not need to wait for a dramatic spiritual mission.

00:07:43 Andrii Zvorygin: The Creator can be served through the person directly in front of you.

00:07:47 Andrii Zvorygin: The structure is built upon service.

00:07:48 Andrii Zvorygin: If you set your intention to be of service in your seeking that is the foundation upon which you can build whatever structure you wish to use.

00:07:59 Andrii Zvorygin: This reverses the usual religious impulse.

00:08:01 Andrii Zvorygin: The foundation is not the ritual denomination practice or technique.

00:08:05 Andrii Zvorygin: The foundation is the intention to serve.

00:08:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Once that foundation is present any meaningful structure can be added.

00:08:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Without that intention even beautiful spiritual forms can become hollow.

00:08:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Flexibility protects the living spirit.

00:08:19 Andrii Zvorygin: It is well to be flexible in your choices of structures or lack thereof.

00:08:25 Andrii Zvorygin: A seeker can use a method when it helps and set it aside when it becomes rigid.

00:08:31 Andrii Zvorygin: Who encourages spiritual adaptability?

00:08:33 Andrii Zvorygin: The living path may need silence one day service the next art the next prayer the next.

00:08:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Flexibility keeps the seeker responsive to the moment.

00:08:43 Andrii Zvorygin: There are no mistakes only surprises.

00:08:48 Andrii Zvorygin: You are the Creator and as Ross said there are no mistakes however there are surprises and I liked how it said "Add the surprise that there are no mistakes."

00:08:54 Andrii Zvorygin: That was kind of funny.

00:08:56 Andrii Zvorygin: This offers comfort to seekers who fear doing spiritually wrong pointing towards a universe where growth can arise from every sincere step.

00:09:04 Andrii Zvorygin: The path may bring unexpected lessons but sincere seeking and service are never wasted.

00:09:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Freedom is part of the path.

00:09:10 Andrii Zvorygin: You can make your next step in whatever way you wish to as long as your intention for making that step is to be of service to others.

00:09:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Amen who will give seekers permission to walk freely?

00:09:18 Andrii Zvorygin: The measure of the path is not whether it matches someone else's form.

00:09:21 Andrii Zvorygin: The measure is whether the next step is taken in love service and the desire to discover the Creator everywhere.

00:09:28 Andrii Zvorygin: The Creator is found everywhere.

00:09:34 Andrii Zvorygin: To discover the truth of the Creator everywhere around you this is the ultimate expansion in spiritual seeking.

00:09:37 Andrii Zvorygin: The secret is not only in the temple meditation room scripture ceremony.

00:09:41 Andrii Zvorygin: The Creator is in the child the stranger the workplace the act of making art the act of helping and the ordinary world around us.

00:09:47 Andrii Zvorygin: A shorter formulation for the video could be: The secret does not need the perfect method.

00:09:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Rituals can help but Q'uo says the real foundation is intention—to seek to serve to discover the Creator in every ordinary step of life I don't know if anyone has any comments on that Kathleen has

00:10:07 Andrii Zvorygin: a nice one did like go ahead.

00:10:21 SPEAKER_464: I did like one thing that came out of that passage like yesterday when Ashley was going through the index again they were she was doing the lesser pentagon banishing ritual and she went over the

00:10:25 SPEAKER_464: whole ritual and McCarthy's like "Yeah you do this ritual if you say anything wrong or do anything you got to start over."

00:10:28 SPEAKER_464: But I like the second paragraph where it says "It is however not necessary to develop any particular process."

00:10:29 SPEAKER_464: Yes Amen amen yeah yeah.

00:10:36 SPEAKER_464: That banishing ritual really doesn't resonate with me.

00:10:51 SPEAKER_1419: So you know, I just leave it behind.

00:10:54 SPEAKER_1419: I think it works.

00:11:00 SPEAKER_1419: It works probably really good for those who do it, but it's just such a...

00:11:02 SPEAKER_493: If it resonates with them, they can do it.

00:11:08 SPEAKER_493: You know, it's just not for me.

00:11:10 SPEAKER_493: Yeah, it's so hardcore.

00:11:13 SPEAKER_493: Honestly, well, like I don't like it because of its associations and the...

00:11:18 SPEAKER_493: Oh!

00:11:21 SPEAKER_493: You know.

00:11:23 SPEAKER_493: Oh, yeah, I care less about all that.

00:11:26 SPEAKER_493: Yeah, yeah.

00:11:32 SPEAKER_493: Well, anyway, I just roll my eyes when it comes to associating crap with religions or customs or whatever a thousand years old, you know.

00:11:33 SPEAKER_493: It's like whatever.

00:11:34 SPEAKER_493: Well, they're not a thousand years old.

00:11:38 SPEAKER_493: It is just like Aleister Crowley, you know, and stuff.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_493: Oh yeah, no, they are.

00:11:47 SPEAKER_493: They are.

00:11:50 SPEAKER_493: You know, and he also sacrifices.

00:11:51 SPEAKER_493: And it's just like I don't know.

00:11:55 SPEAKER_493: I'm just not into the human sacrifices.

00:11:58 SPEAKER_493: Some of that stuff in the banishing rituals just goes back to ancient Israel.

00:12:00 SPEAKER_493: Maybe I...

00:12:02 SPEAKER_493: I'm not familiar with that.

00:12:04 SPEAKER_493: From what I know, it's a recent thing that was developed in the late 1800s.

00:12:06 SPEAKER_493: But personally, I prefer you know I have my own ritual, and it is to call upon the elements, which is consistent with the indigenous practices in this area,

00:12:14 SPEAKER_493: and then to call upon the Infinite Creator to align my thoughts, feelings, words, and actions to be of greatest service for all creation, and then just like living in bliss, gratitude, and kindness.

00:12:25 SPEAKER_493: And I just find that's sufficiently effective, you know.

00:12:34 SPEAKER_493: You just described the LBRP.

00:12:42 SPEAKER_493: You just made up your own rubbish version.

00:12:58 SPEAKER_493: It's all good.

00:13:06 SPEAKER_493: That's all good, man.

00:13:08 SPEAKER_493: That's all good.

00:13:12 SPEAKER_493: Very good.

00:13:14 SPEAKER_493: Thank you for your love.

00:13:16 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

00:13:17 SPEAKER_493: All right.

00:13:17 SPEAKER_493: And we can do our spiritual bypassing in our own way.

00:13:18 SPEAKER_493: Kathleen has a statement here.

00:13:18 SPEAKER_493: I don't know if you want to read it yourself, Kathleen.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_493: She's a little bit laggy there.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_493: Okay, she says: "Don't need to associate my connection with some needed ritual.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_493: We are one.

00:13:27 SPEAKER_493: There's no separation.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_493: I call on the Creator and elements too.

00:13:29 SPEAKER_493: It's a joyous means of serving every day."

00:13:34 SPEAKER_493: Can't find the mute button.

00:13:37 SPEAKER_493: Okay, well, if you are on your phone, you tap, and then it should pop up from the bottom; it'll be the first button on your left, and then...

00:13:40 SPEAKER_493: Oh, gosh!

00:13:41 SPEAKER_493: Thank you.

00:13:42 SPEAKER_493: That whole little thing where you hang up and turn on your video was all like hiding down under.

00:13:44 SPEAKER_493: I had to click at the bottom, and that little screen popped up—that menu did pop up.

00:13:50 SPEAKER_493: That's possibly it.

00:13:51 SPEAKER_493: Thank you.

00:13:51 SPEAKER_1420: Yeah, you guys are doing a wonderful job reading these excerpts,

00:14:03 SPEAKER_1420: and your intonation is just a joyful song to my ears because I'm very alone and not able to get on many of the calls because of the service being really quacky here.

00:14:10 SPEAKER_1420: And I'm really appreciating hearing this information and hearing your enthusiasm with it—yours too, Bill.

00:14:19 SPEAKER_1420: It was great hearing you read.

00:14:20 SPEAKER_1420: You would do well to start reading podcasts or some type of a reading offering that you do because you have such wonderful enunciation and emphasis on the important stuff.

00:14:38 SPEAKER_1420: Thank you for that, Bill, and thank you, Andrew.

00:14:42 SPEAKER_1420: Thank you.

00:15:02 SPEAKER_991: Except sometimes I whistle too much.

00:15:07 SPEAKER_991: Well, I don't have my teeth in, so I can't whistle.

00:15:09 SPEAKER_991: So I don't have to worry about that.

00:15:22 SPEAKER_991: All right, should we do the next one?

00:15:22 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, we're done with this.

00:15:25 SPEAKER_464: Thank you, Q'uo, for listening to us.

00:15:29 SPEAKER_464: I'm tasked with teaching young children new ways to listen, and I'm just seeking any wisdom or perspective you might have on teaching children in elementary and intermediate school about ways to listen better.

00:15:33 SPEAKER_464: Ah, the young child so willing to absorb information, so willing to listen that they are spoken to from your heart.

00:15:36 SPEAKER_464: They are new to this world in most cases, and as time goes on,

00:15:38 SPEAKER_464: they grow according to how people who have an open heart like you share the love of the Creator coming through your heart to the children that you're teaching.

00:15:45 SPEAKER_464: For they are still closer to the Creator than they will be as time goes on,

00:15:56 SPEAKER_464: just as a natural process of being born into third density illusion and moving forward in whatever way they are taught or feel.

00:16:04 SPEAKER_464: So if you can set your intention to share what you share to teach them to listen on the basis of your love—the Creator's love flowing through you—then you will be communicating with the Creator within

00:16:19 SPEAKER_464: each child,

00:16:26 SPEAKER_464: whether it is kindergarten, grade school, junior high.

00:16:32 SPEAKER_464: The more this can be done at an earlier age, the more the love of the Creator becomes a foundation for the child to do everything they will ever do.

00:16:45 Andrii Zvorygin: And most of what children do is listen and then repeat what they've heard, and amplify it with that love that you have given them.

00:16:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Is there another query?

00:17:13 Andrii Zvorygin: No, thank you very much.

00:17:23 Andrii Zvorygin: All right, I think this hopefully we'll have something that's not just for teaching physical children but spiritual children as well.

00:17:35 Andrii Zvorygin: One thing that jumps out to me is the last paragraph where it says "the love of the Creator becomes a foundation."

00:17:43 Andrii Zvorygin: So that's kind of a pretty good concept to learn: It's the love of the Creator that forms our foundation.

00:17:46 Andrii Zvorygin: The more the love of the Creator becomes a foundation for the child, the better they will do everything in their life.

00:17:48 SPEAKER_1420: Most children listen and then repeat what they've heard, amplifying it with that love you have given them.

00:17:58 SPEAKER_1420: Amen.

00:17:59 SPEAKER_1420: I have a comment on this if I may?

00:18:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Go ahead.

00:18:13 SPEAKER_1420: Thank you.

00:18:18 SPEAKER_1420: My grandbaby...

00:18:33 SPEAKER_1420: Hugo is like I know and can feel his closeness to the Creator.

00:18:39 SPEAKER_1420: He's already four but will be five in September.

00:18:40 SPEAKER_1420: But he's so rich in natural, automatic responses that feel like love from the Creator.

00:18:45 SPEAKER_1420: But my children—my son and his wife—are not.

00:18:48 SPEAKER_1420: They say they're Gnostic.

00:18:49 SPEAKER_1420: My son was baptized as a Catholic when Hugo was this age, and he had already been going to church for a number of years.

00:18:50 SPEAKER_1420: I went every Sunday and sometimes other days depending on feasts and what have you.

00:18:59 SPEAKER_1420: What's tricky for me now is that here's Hugo so full of eager attention;

00:19:03 SPEAKER_1420: I want to say things about the Creator but don't know how without offending my children because my son takes very serious dominance over what he wants his kid exposed to.

00:19:09 SPEAKER_1420: So they've allowed me to give him crystals and share the joy of the feeling you get—like in his little pool, we play with crystals and it amplifies him; he loves it.

00:19:14 SPEAKER_1420: He's like, "I want a crystal bath."

00:19:17 SPEAKER_1420: And so it's really cool that I've been able to introduce that.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_1420: But the most important thing for me is trying to figure out how to incorporate mentioning the Creator without bothering my son, so Hugo learns that you know,

00:19:41 SPEAKER_1420: he's a created being and also part of the Creator.

00:19:52 SPEAKER_1420: Trying to teach that to a four-year-old and get him excited about it is very important to me.

00:20:04 SPEAKER_1420: I just wanted to share that in case anybody had any comments who have children or grandchildren where there isn't much talk about spirituality because they're going to get upset,

00:20:07 SPEAKER_1420: especially since his wife is very anti-Christian because of her upbringing and trauma.

00:20:11 SPEAKER_1420: But anyway, if I may, because I have a lot of experience talking with a wide variety of people on these topics—secular as well—the thing is that there are ways to approach it.

00:20:17 SPEAKER_1420: So how I usually do it is through the commandments, if you will: forgiveness, love, and kindness for all beings.

00:20:33 SPEAKER_991: This is something the vast majority of people agree with; we have to be kind to one another because we must love each other since we are all the same—we are all One.

00:20:40 SPEAKER_991: You know like these phrases pretty much everyone is okay with.

00:20:52 SPEAKER_991: For instance, "We are all of the same vine."

00:21:01 SPEAKER_991: Jesus often spoke in parables, and those themselves are acceptable to people.

00:21:04 SPEAKER_991: What parents or certain people who don't like Christian Protestant confessionalism usually react against is the blood creed: "Oh, he died for your sins so you just have to say 'Amen' and hail Jesus,

00:21:10 SPEAKER_991: then you can go sinning all you want."

00:21:13 SPEAKER_991: This is what people dislike—or hate on people because of something they misread in the Bible.

00:21:15 SPEAKER_991: And so if we just focus on those teachings of love, kindness, togetherness, and how everything is interconnected, I feel your children will probably be fine with it as well.

00:21:30 SPEAKER_991: But you know, it's up to you to find out.

00:21:48 SPEAKER_991: And I mean, Gnostics are okay with it as well.

00:21:49 SPEAKER_991: I think Gnostics' main thing is that they didn't like the resurrection or something, so they took it out of the Gnostic version of the Bible.

00:21:59 SPEAKER_991: The Chinese did the same thing, but that doesn't change the fact that the love and kindness are still there and still actually the most valuable part.

00:22:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Ashley, I wanted to welcome you as well.

00:22:05 SPEAKER_991: Thank you.

00:22:15 SPEAKER_991: Hi guys.

00:22:17 SPEAKER_991: Hello.

00:22:22 SPEAKER_991: Oh, and Canadian Grace.

00:22:26 SPEAKER_991: Hello. hello.

00:22:36 SPEAKER_991: Hey, thank you, Andrei.

00:22:55 SPEAKER_991: So I just had something to add quickly.

00:23:02 SPEAKER_991: Or Kathleen, and I. So like when it's a touchy situation for me, when you know, like so, connection, right?

00:23:07 SPEAKER_1422: We're all connected.

00:23:15 SPEAKER_1422: I'm connected to the earth, you know.

00:23:26 SPEAKER_1422: And if it's touchy when it comes to like religion or boohoo stuff, where people have like a... you know, you know, a block or not necessarily a block, just their beliefs, right?

00:23:31 SPEAKER_1422: I often will use science.

00:23:32 SPEAKER_1422: It's a fact.

00:23:33 SPEAKER_1422: It's science.

00:23:33 SPEAKER_1422: Like I breathe out carbon dioxide, right?

00:23:35 SPEAKER_1422: And the trees take that in, and trees breathe out oxygen, and that's what I breathe in.

00:23:38 SPEAKER_1422: That's just a small... it's very specific, but it's you know, I find when I use that, like it kind of sparks a little bit so like you can't deny that, right?

00:23:48 SPEAKER_1422: So I'm sure it's something you've already thought of, but I just felt like adding.

00:23:53 SPEAKER_1422: So thank you, thank you for the space, and I'm grateful to be here with everyone tonight.

00:23:55 SPEAKER_1422: And yeah, thanks.

00:23:58 SPEAKER_1422: Thank you for your contribution, Grace.

00:24:21 SPEAKER_1422: Thank you for sharing, Grace.

00:24:23 SPEAKER_991: Thank you.

00:24:24 SPEAKER_991: All right.

00:24:24 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm wondering, Ashley, did you want to read tonight as well?

00:24:27 SPEAKER_991: Sure, I can read.

00:24:32 SPEAKER_991: Okay, cool.

00:24:33 SPEAKER_991: So here... well, you can do the next one then.

00:24:46 SPEAKER_469: Cool.

00:24:51 SPEAKER_469: Edgar Casey spoke of a tiny particle.

00:24:52 SPEAKER_469: I don't know what if it was a cell.

00:24:55 SPEAKER_469: It may have been smaller than a cell that has a whole universe within it.

00:24:57 SPEAKER_469: What is the smallest particle that would have the equivalent of a whole universe, and what in the world would that be like?

00:24:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Me... go ahead, Ashley.

00:25:00 SPEAKER_469: Yeah, I am Q'uo, and we are aware of your query, my brother.

00:25:05 SPEAKER_469: We must tell you that there is no end to these particles of any kind that can contain an entire universe within them.

00:25:06 SPEAKER_469: Every mote of dust in your streets, every leaf on your trees, everything that you can imagine, and every particle of these things that you can imagine can contain a universe,

00:25:13 SPEAKER_469: for the entire universe is infinite in every direction.

00:25:17 SPEAKER_469: The galaxies are infinite.

00:25:20 SPEAKER_469: The dust on your car is infinite.

00:25:23 SPEAKER_469: There is only infinity.

00:25:26 SPEAKER_469: There is only the Creator, and no matter which direction you go, you will discover the infinity of the Creator.

00:25:37 SPEAKER_469: Another universe, and another, and another, moving infinitely in all directions.

00:25:39 SPEAKER_469: Three hundred and sixty degrees, infinitely.

00:25:43 SPEAKER_469: Is there further query, my brother?

00:25:52 SPEAKER_469: All right, thank you.

00:26:05 SPEAKER_469: Yeah, I know some theories of physics would disagree.

00:26:15 SPEAKER_469: Oh, so maybe not quantum.

00:26:18 SPEAKER_469: Yeah.

00:26:19 SPEAKER_469: Maybe not quantum.

00:26:21 SPEAKER_469: Maybe... maybe we need Ed to chime in right here.

00:26:21 SPEAKER_469: Ed, what do you say?

00:26:27 SPEAKER_469: Have you ever read that book, the Man Who Kept Shrinking?

00:26:30 SPEAKER_469: I think it's called...

00:26:33 SPEAKER_469: I think it was written in like the forties or something like that.

00:26:34 SPEAKER_469: And basically, it's this guy that gets kind of jabbed with an experimental chemical, and he just starts shrinking.

00:26:38 SPEAKER_469: And he keeps shrinking.

00:26:41 SPEAKER_469: He keeps shrinking.

00:26:42 SPEAKER_991: And you know, literally, he goes through six or seven different fractal universes as he keeps getting smaller.

00:26:48 SPEAKER_991: Isn't... getting smaller?

00:26:51 SPEAKER_991: It's incredible book.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_991: I highly recommend it.

00:26:56 SPEAKER_991: Cool.

00:27:05 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:27:09 SPEAKER_464: Well, I know that even like quantum, in theory, anyways, it's supposed to be delimited by the Planck constant, and so in that sense we live in a digital universe made up of these little Plancks.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_464: But Einstein didn't like that.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_464: That's a flaw because they have to add a constant to get some result that they want.

00:27:19 SPEAKER_464: You know that Planck's constant isn't necessarily true?

00:27:19 SPEAKER_464: Here, can you speak on that, Ed?

00:27:20 SPEAKER_466: Yeah.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_466: Not to mention that you've got to look at the actual Max Planck equations to work out what the Planck distance is,

00:27:28 SPEAKER_466: and basically that is a book of equations that basically cancels out ether or normalizes physics so you don't have to worry about it.

00:27:35 SPEAKER_464: Right, right.

00:27:36 SPEAKER_464: So it gets rid of other stuff that they've used forever, like the ether, which was always weirdly linked to spirit, which makes sense why they wanted to get rid of it.

00:27:50 SPEAKER_464: Hmm.

00:28:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:28:07 Andrii Zvorygin: So it says separating the metaphysical claim from the physical claim.

00:28:09 Andrii Zvorygin: To do... okay.

00:28:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Here we go.

00:28:19 Andrii Zvorygin: The cool passage is metaphysically coherent as an infinite hologram, as above so below teaching, but it is far beyond what current physics can establish.

00:28:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Literally best supported quantum fields in continuous space-time, with possible Planck scale limits still unresolved.

00:28:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Continuous space-time is well infinite, plausible but unconfirmed.

00:28:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Space-time may be emergent, discrete, holographic, or informational... least evidenced.

00:28:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Every particle containing an actual whole universe inside it?

00:28:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, fair enough.

00:28:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, no part of the creation is separate from the whole.

00:28:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, yes, that's fair enough.

00:28:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Holographic mysticism.

00:29:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Each part reflects the whole.

00:29:00 Andrii Zvorygin: The Planck constants do not prove the universe is pixelated.

00:29:02 Andrii Zvorygin: The Planck length is built from G, C, and H, so it makes the scale where gravity and quantum mechanics are expected to collide conceptually.

00:29:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Standard...

00:29:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Conceptually, Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy describes quantum gravity as the attempt to understand spacetime microstructures at the Planck scale, where those constants combine into natural units.

00:29:19 Andrii Zvorygin: But the important point is the Planck length is not confirmed as the smallest possible pixel of space.

00:29:25 Andrii Zvorygin: It may be interpreted as a natural scale.

00:29:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Quantum gravity becomes important there.

00:29:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Strong theoretical reason: Planck length is a minimum measurable length.

00:29:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Below it, operational measurements break down.

00:29:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Plausible model dependent.

00:29:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Planck length as literal small spatial unit is unproven.

00:29:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, Planck length as a doorway to nested universes... speculative metaphysical.

00:29:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, plenum physics would mean a plenum view says reality is not mostly empty space with little hard particles floating in it.

00:29:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Instead, reality is fullness: fields, energy, vacuum fluctuations, relational structures, or information everywhere.

00:30:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Modern physics actually leans somewhat this way already.

00:30:12 Andrii Zvorygin: In quantum field theory, particles are usually treated as excitations of underlying fields.

00:30:15 Andrii Zvorygin: So an electron is less like a tiny marble and more like a localized excitation in an electron field.

00:30:18 Andrii Zvorygin: This is much closer to a fullness view than the old atomistic billiard ball physics.

00:30:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Both current mainstream physics still use finite measurable quantities, renormalized field theories, causal structures, and bounded information in some contexts.

00:30:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Some context...

00:30:28 Andrii Zvorygin: It does not say that every speck of dust literally contains infinite galaxies inside it.

00:30:29 Andrii Zvorygin: The careful bridge would be okay?

00:30:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, yada yada.

00:30:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Holographic principle.

00:30:47 Andrii Zvorygin: The closest serious physical analogy is the holographic principle.

00:30:58 Andrii Zvorygin: The black hole thermodynamics entropy scales with area rather than volume, suggesting that the information content of a region may be encoded on a boundary.

00:31:04 Andrii Zvorygin: AdS/CFT...

00:31:10 Andrii Zvorygin: This becomes mathematically precise.

00:31:17 Andrii Zvorygin: A gravitational theory in a higher-dimensional space can be equivalent to a non-gravitational quantum field theory at its boundaries.

00:31:19 Andrii Zvorygin: A holography overview notes that black hole entropy in AdS-CFT gives one of the clearest reasons to treat the area law as a real counting formula.

00:31:24 Andrii Zvorygin: This is genuinely profound.

00:31:25 Andrii Zvorygin: It means physics has serious models where low-dimensional boundary can encode a higher-dimensional bulk.

00:31:26 Andrii Zvorygin: That sounds somewhat like the part contains the whole, but is more precise and limited.

00:31:27 Andrii Zvorygin: It does not mean every dust particle contains its own universe.

00:31:29 Andrii Zvorygin: It means some theories...

00:31:33 Andrii Zvorygin: The information describing a region may be represented on its boundary.

00:31:43 Andrii Zvorygin: So the holographic principle supports the version of Q'uo's intuition.

00:31:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Ed, go ahead.

00:31:45 Andrii Zvorygin: I have literally an entire chapter in my book that I'm writing called The Holographic Human that applies everything that was just said there to the human body.

00:31:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Very good... very good.

00:31:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Nice.

00:32:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Looking forward to it.

00:32:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Discrete spacetime theory is possible but unconfirmed.

00:32:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:32:18 Andrii Zvorygin: So anyway, so that that's strong evidence.

00:32:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Works extremely well with quantum field theory plus general relativity as effective theories.

00:32:27 Andrii Zvorygin: So there you go.

00:32:28 Andrii Zvorygin: That this this this bottom line: physics currently gives more support to reality being relational, field-like, and possibly holographic or emergent than to space is definitely made of Planck pixels,

00:32:46 Andrii Zvorygin: where each particle literally contains a universe.

00:32:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:32:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, anyways, so this is pretty good.

00:32:50 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, this helped me get rid of my blockage in terms of thinking about it as a Planck pixelated universe.

00:32:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:32:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Cool.

00:32:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Edgar Casey has had, I think, a profound influence in America and around the world with his work.

00:33:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Was it intended from the beginning?

00:33:10 SPEAKER_464: Was it recognized that Edgar would have that degree of impact, or was it just simply Edgar, through his free will achieving this level achievement, that any of us, if we fully dedicated ourselves, could achieve?

00:33:14 SPEAKER_464: Who who wants to read this?

00:33:14 SPEAKER_464: I'll read it.

00:33:17 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, go ahead.

00:33:26 SPEAKER_464: I'm Q'uo and aware of your query, my brother, the one known as Edgar K. The one known as Edgar Casey, as well as each entity on this planet and all planets,

00:33:27 SPEAKER_464: has made choices before the incarnation to be of service in one way or another.

00:33:28 SPEAKER_464: Some entities, such as Edgar Casey, have, through previous incarnations, developed abilities that might be seen as more physically oriented, more telepathically oriented, more open-hearted.

00:33:45 SPEAKER_464: There is really no set level of words to describe the abilities of a person such as Edgar Casey,

00:33:52 SPEAKER_464: who could go into what you might call a trance state and make contact with the Akashic records of planet Earth and give people information that would inspire them, according to their own previous incarnations,

00:34:08 SPEAKER_464: for all to use in some way or another to be of service to the one infinite Creator, to help the Creator to know itself better.

00:34:18 SPEAKER_464: This is why we are all here.

00:34:20 SPEAKER_464: Each of us is attempting to do that.

00:34:23 SPEAKER_464: All of humanity is like various facets of a jewel, infinite facets on a jewel that have abilities of one kind or another.

00:34:38 SPEAKER_464: The one known as Edgar Casey had these abilities because of previous incarnations and his desire to be more service in the incarnation that he shared not very long ago on your planet, from Hopkintonville, Kentucky,

00:34:50 SPEAKER_464: to the Association for Research and Enlightenment in Virginia Beach.

00:35:05 SPEAKER_464: Is there another query, my brother?

00:35:10 SPEAKER_464: Thank you.

00:35:32 SPEAKER_464: No, appreciate that.

00:35:45 SPEAKER_464: Okay, so to summarize, yeah, I don't think we need to go over that one.

00:35:47 SPEAKER_1420: Yeah, it's just basically people make pre-incarnative choices, and everyone is serving the infinite Creator in their own way.

00:36:01 SPEAKER_1420: It's interesting to me that we carry over our intention post-incarnatively into our next one,

00:36:04 SPEAKER_1420: and then starting out as young individuals in whatever environment we chose to draw the information to ourselves to continue on that path.

00:36:09 SPEAKER_1420: That is so exciting to me, and such a curious thing.

00:36:09 SPEAKER_1420: Like when I think about my grandbaby, he's already the light of the world.

00:36:10 SPEAKER_1420: Oh my gosh!

00:36:21 SPEAKER_1422: And I can just imagine the impact he will have on creation by just being the Creator that he is.

00:36:28 SPEAKER_1422: And it's so exciting.

00:36:33 SPEAKER_1422: We have a new one coming.

00:36:45 SPEAKER_1422: Sorry, but I want to say that a new boy, a new growing boy.

00:36:53 SPEAKER_1422: Yeah, yeah, we got a lot of babies at the Mennonite Church too.

00:36:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, Canadian Grace, go ahead.

00:36:56 SPEAKER_1422: Thank you, Andre.

00:36:58 SPEAKER_1422: So I just have a quick question.

00:36:58 SPEAKER_1422: It's...

00:37:04 SPEAKER_1422: I was thinking of this; like, it has really been crossing my mind the last few days.

00:37:09 SPEAKER_1422: So what was read is: he had such a strong desire to help, right?

00:37:11 SPEAKER_1422: Service to others.

00:37:12 SPEAKER_1422: And so he carried that into his next incarnation.

00:37:15 SPEAKER_1422: So these are the thoughts I've had because I've just been struggling lately with life, right?

00:37:20 SPEAKER_1422: And so my thoughts were like, oh my goodness; if the next incarnation is going to be... you know, worse than this.

00:37:25 SPEAKER_1422: Not worse, but like: what I was thinking was like, "What have I gained—the knowledge that I've gained—and you know,

00:37:26 SPEAKER_1422: the amount of time that I've put into being fortunate enough to put that knowledge into practice?"

00:37:27 SPEAKER_1422: Like, am I back at zero when this incarnation is done and my soul or spirit goes into the next one?

00:37:29 SPEAKER_1422: Because...

00:37:30 SPEAKER_1422: I don't know if I can do that.

00:37:37 SPEAKER_1422: I think I just answered my own question.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_1422: But yeah, thank you, thank you for sharing on that, Kathleen, for reading that, Bill.

00:37:50 SPEAKER_1422: Appreciated.

00:38:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Ashley, go ahead.

00:38:11 SPEAKER_468: From what I understand, at the ending of the current incarnation, you will review with your mind, body, spirit totality—your higher self—the who, what, where, when, and why of why you came here,

00:38:25 SPEAKER_468: and review all of the things you experienced and what the goals were.

00:38:30 SPEAKER_468: So in that state, you're going to have superior perception to see: "Okay, why did I experience these things?"

00:38:33 SPEAKER_468: And then you'll be able to see the cosmic logic behind it.

00:38:38 SPEAKER_468: And then you'll say, well, did I explore this theme as much as I intended?

00:38:45 SPEAKER_468: Did I gain the things I wanted to gain?

00:38:45 SPEAKER_468: And if you didn't, then you will orchestrate with your higher self how you might do that in the next incarnation.

00:38:46 SPEAKER_468: And so the awareness we have now is not the same one we have when we cross over.

00:38:51 SPEAKER_468: So you really won't be in that mode of "Oh, this was super hard, and why did I do this?"

00:38:58 SPEAKER_468: You'll know exactly why you did it, and then from that point, you'll be like, "Hmm, well, it was pretty intense."

00:39:07 SPEAKER_468: And then you may try to modify; but moving forward, since you have made the choice—if you found this material—you did make a choice at some point for service to others.

00:39:21 SPEAKER_468: Your next incarnations will just be about maximizing that.

00:39:27 SPEAKER_468: Of course, if you've reached harvestability, then you'll be in fourth density.

00:39:33 SPEAKER_468: So that will be another very beautiful experience.

00:39:39 SPEAKER_468: You'll have some peace and love coming there anyway.

00:39:47 SPEAKER_468: So not to worry.

00:39:55 SPEAKER_464: I don't know if any of that made sense.

00:40:01 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, and maybe you'll find out in your life review what you've done is: you might have just bitten off a bit too much in this life, you know?

00:40:09 SPEAKER_991: You might have put too much stuff up for yourself, and you might need to modify that; or maybe that will help you get over the top.

00:40:24 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, yeah.

00:40:28 SPEAKER_991: I read in Michael Newton's book that young souls especially have a tendency of heaping too much on their plates, and then finding out the hard way.

00:40:31 SPEAKER_991: And then more experienced souls who are kind of in it for the long haul are like: "Okay, if I learn one thing in this lifetime, it's good."

00:40:32 SPEAKER_991: You know?

00:40:37 SPEAKER_991: Well, I would say at this point that anyone here is not a young soul.

00:40:50 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

00:41:01 SPEAKER_991: Fair enough.

00:41:02 SPEAKER_991: Also true.

00:41:09 SPEAKER_991: Here, here.

00:41:25 SPEAKER_991: So I guess there was enough demand; so I just made a little note here.

00:41:26 SPEAKER_991: Oh, there you go: Makes pre-incarnative choices.

00:41:30 SPEAKER_991: Each entity on this planet and all planets has made choices before incarnation to be of service in one way or another.

00:41:32 SPEAKER_991: Q'uo presents incarnation as purposeful rather than random.

00:41:32 SPEAKER_991: Before entering the veil of forgetting, the soul chooses certain themes, opportunities, gifts, limitations, relationships, and forms of service.

00:41:33 SPEAKER_991: The life we enter is not merely a blank accident, but a field of catalyst arranged around the soul's desire to grow and serve.

00:41:33 SPEAKER_991: Oh, okay.

00:41:35 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

00:41:40 SPEAKER_991: Service is chosen before birth, then discovered during life to be of service in one way or another.

00:41:42 SPEAKER_991: The pre-incarnative choice does not usually arrive in a clear memory.

00:41:43 SPEAKER_991: It often appears as attraction, longing, burden, talent, recurring difficulty, or a strange sense of being called.

00:41:52 SPEAKER_991: In incarnation, the seeker slowly discovers what the soul already chose in the deeper state.

00:41:56 SPEAKER_991: The life path becomes a process of remembering through action.

00:42:04 SPEAKER_991: Abilities can develop across many lifetimes through previous incarnations.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_991: Some have developed abilities that might be seen as more physically oriented, more telepathically oriented, or more open-hearted.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_991: Q'uo suggests that gifts do not always begin in the current lifetime.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_991: Psychic sensitivity, compassion, open-heartedness, artistic ability, healing presence, teaching ability, or spiritual discernment may be the fruit of many incarnations of practice.

00:42:19 SPEAKER_991: A person may arrive with a natural inclination because the soul has worked with that pattern before.

00:42:26 SPEAKER_991: The veil hides memory, but not essence.

00:42:33 SPEAKER_991: Previous incarnations are described as contributing to the present person's abilities.

00:42:36 SPEAKER_991: The seeker may not consciously remember former lives, but the deeper self carries the distilled essence.

00:42:40 SPEAKER_991: What survives is not necessarily biography, names, places, or historical details.

00:42:47 SPEAKER_991: What carries forward is bias, capacity, orientation, karmic pattern, and the matured fruit of experience.

00:42:52 SPEAKER_991: Edir Casey is presented as an example of carried-over ability.

00:42:59 SPEAKER_991: The one known as Edir Casey had these abilities because of previous incarnations and his desire to be of more service.

00:43:05 SPEAKER_991: Kuo's Casey's work was not a random miracle, but as a convergence of previous development and present life intention.

00:43:08 SPEAKER_991: His psychic gifts were connected to earlier soul experience, but they became activated and useful because of his desire to serve in this life incarnation.

00:43:15 SPEAKER_991: The carried-over gift needed present-life dedication.

00:43:21 SPEAKER_991: So it is a combination of pre-incarnative choice and present willingness to serve.

00:43:29 SPEAKER_991: The Akashic records represent planetary memory.

00:43:33 SPEAKER_991: Make contact with the Akashic records of planetary Earth.

00:43:40 SPEAKER_991: In this passage, the Akashic records are treated as a kind of deep memory field, a record of experience, incarnation, and meaning within the planetary sphere.

00:43:46 SPEAKER_991: This trance state allowed him, according to Kuo, to access information that could speak to people's deeper histories and inspire them according to their own previous incarnations.

00:44:00 SPEAKER_991: Inspiration can awaken what another soul already carries.

00:44:03 SPEAKER_991: Give people information that would inspire them according to their own previous incarnations.

00:44:05 SPEAKER_991: This is a subtle teaching.

00:44:08 SPEAKER_991: Spiritual information does not merely add something new from the outside; it can awaken what is already latent within the seeker.

00:44:18 SPEAKER_991: A teaching, reading, symbol, dream, or encounter may stir a buried memory or soul pattern, allowing the person to recognize part of their own deeper continuity.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_991: Every one carries some facet of the jewel.

00:44:28 SPEAKER_991: All of humanity is like various facets on a jewel, infinite facets on a jewel that have the abilities of one kind or another.

00:44:33 SPEAKER_991: Who widens the point beyond the famous psychic figures?

00:44:34 SPEAKER_991: Each soul has its own accumulated gifts, distortions, service pathways, and ways of reflecting the Creator.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_991: No one carries the whole jewel alone, but each carries a necessary angle of light regarding the purpose of carried-over gifts and service.

00:44:44 SPEAKER_991: For all choose in some way or another to be of service to the One Infinite Creator, to help the Creator to know itself better.

00:44:49 SPEAKER_991: The real question is not what powers that I bring in; how may I?

00:44:56 SPEAKER_991: But how may I serve?

00:44:59 SPEAKER_991: Gifts from other incarnations are not trophies; they are tools for love, learning, healing, and recognition of the Creator.

00:45:04 SPEAKER_991: A gift becomes spiritually fruitful when it is offered in service.

00:45:14 SPEAKER_991: The current incarnation is where the choice becomes real.

00:45:24 SPEAKER_991: As desired to be of His desire to be of more service in the incarnation that he shared.

00:45:30 SPEAKER_991: So even if soul chooses service before birth, the incarnate personality still has to live it.

00:45:37 SPEAKER_991: The present life is where intention is tested by fear, confusion, limitation, relationships, and free will.

00:45:40 SPEAKER_991: That's what we were talking about: you can heap too much on your plate; not achieve that which you pre-incarnatively chose for.

00:45:43 SPEAKER_991: What was chosen before incarnation becomes real through daily choices in incarnation.

00:45:50 SPEAKER_991: We are here so the Creator may know itself.

00:45:56 SPEAKER_991: Kualgi is a simple purpose statement.

00:45:59 SPEAKER_991: Each being serves the Creator's self-discovery.

00:46:05 SPEAKER_991: The experiences of the incarnation, including gifts carried forward, are part of the Creator learning through each person's unique viewpoint.

00:46:09 SPEAKER_991: The soul's continuity across lives serves the larger movement of divine self-knowledge.

00:46:12 SPEAKER_991: The seeker's task is to honor what is emergent.

00:46:15 SPEAKER_991: The practical implication is humility and attention.

00:46:17 SPEAKER_991: A seeker may ask: "What gifts seem to come naturally?

00:46:33 SPEAKER_991: What burdens keep returning?

00:46:41 SPEAKER_991: What forms of service keep calling?

00:46:47 SPEAKER_991: What kind of love feels ancient to me?"

00:46:49 SPEAKER_991: These may be traces of carried-over work from other incarnations seeking expression now.

00:46:51 SPEAKER_991: All right, well, I think that's good enough.

00:46:51 SPEAKER_991: Hello, Sachet Banana, Joshua, I believe.

00:46:54 SPEAKER_991: Hola, cómo está?

00:46:57 SPEAKER_991: Very, very good, very good.

00:47:01 SPEAKER_991: So we were just moving on here.

00:47:01 SPEAKER_991: Now with this instrument, hello Kuo.

00:47:03 SPEAKER_991: I am hoping you can expand on the idea of worship in relation to the One Infinite Creator.

00:47:08 SPEAKER_468: I often find that when I think about that word, my mind goes to some Old Testament entity baggage with the idea of worship, and I wonder if you could expand on it beyond that.

00:47:09 SPEAKER_468: Okay, who wants to read it?

00:47:11 SPEAKER_468: I can read.

00:47:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, go ahead Ashley.

00:47:16 SPEAKER_468: I am Q'uoel, and I'm aware of the query, my brother.

00:47:23 SPEAKER_468: Indeed, this is a very deep and nuanced query, and our response will be perhaps more general than some seekers may prefer.

00:47:26 SPEAKER_468: For this concept identified within your query as worship, there are many different flavors or meanings upon your planetary sphere.

00:47:28 SPEAKER_468: Indeed, we would first touch upon the ways in which this concept has been, in some ways, distorted by that which you would identify as organized religion,

00:47:29 SPEAKER_468: as the power structures and institutions that are built up around the seeking spirit of the human being.

00:47:35 SPEAKER_468: Those institutions that attempt to contribute to and facilitate yet at the same time control and subdue the infinite spirit within the human being that is ever calling out to understand and grapple with the nature

00:47:43 SPEAKER_468: of your existence.

00:47:53 SPEAKER_468: These institutions you may say have had many millennia of influence, both positive and negative traits.

00:48:04 SPEAKER_468: The service-to-others and service-to-self influences are alive and well within these world-spanning institutions.

00:48:11 SPEAKER_468: The very concept of worship can be seen from a certain perspective as being a giving up of one's own sovereignty.

00:48:18 SPEAKER_468: It can be a demand called upon the seeker by these institutions: a task you may say,

00:48:30 SPEAKER_468: to give up your own beingness in service of something greater that you do not have direct access to and that is not innate to your being.

00:48:37 SPEAKER_468: There are various ways to impose strictures upon the concept of worship that cause the seeker to continually give up this sovereignty, creating more separation and distance between the self and the One Infinite Creator.

00:48:43 SPEAKER_468: We would encourage any seeker who has been raised and influenced by these institutions, who has had a certain concept of worship instilled in them that causes distress, distortion, and confusion,

00:48:58 SPEAKER_468: to examine the nature of this worship deeply; carry this concept into your personal meditations, into your heart of being, to evaluate it within the heart of your own sovereignty and your own power.

00:49:02 SPEAKER_468: Evaluate whether or not it is truly of service to you and your journey to be of service to others.

00:49:18 SPEAKER_468: For there are many distortions that you may discover, and how you orient to the concept of worship can be a deterrent upon this path.

00:49:32 SPEAKER_468: However, from our perspective, there is indeed a great positive aspect of the concept of worship for the seeker on the positive path.

00:49:45 SPEAKER_468: Indeed, we would say that in some way any positive seeker who is dedicated to a path of spiritual seeking may, one way or another, find themselves in worship whether intentionally so or not.

00:49:53 SPEAKER_468: This more positive orientation of worship you may say has a quality of not just bowing down to an external force but a recognition of the infinity within the universe that exists:

00:50:04 SPEAKER_468: not just outside of the self but within the self.

00:50:13 SPEAKER_468: There is a recognition that the incarnate being within the third density, which you are, is existing within a veil of forgetting.

00:50:30 SPEAKER_468: That this connection, this innate unity with the One Infinite Creator and the incarnate being is hidden from the self, and yet you hear its call.

00:50:44 SPEAKER_468: The truth of unity resonates with your soul, and from this precipice, from this hearing of the call,

00:50:51 SPEAKER_468: one may choose in faith to lay down all aspects of the self that have been accumulated over your lifetime, not to give away your power, but to discover that these aspects of self have,

00:50:59 SPEAKER_468: in many ways, been covering up and concealing your innate connection with the One Infinite Creator.

00:51:10 SPEAKER_468: And in taking the posture of worship towards the One Infinite Creator, one may set aside those aspects of personal beingness, what we have called the personality shell,

00:51:25 SPEAKER_468: or even aspects of ego that have been built up and have allowed you to move about your third density in certain ways, by...

00:51:31 SPEAKER_468: Ways, but perhaps do not serve you on your spiritual journey.

00:51:43 SPEAKER_468: In setting these things aside through worship, through the desire to come into contact with intelligent infinity, with the One Infinite Creator, with the infinite mystery of the universe, one can find this power more readily,

00:51:52 SPEAKER_468: not just outside of the self, but within the self, and realize that these distinctions of inner and outer are illusory, and those...

00:51:56 SPEAKER_468: And though they are illusory, they still exist.

00:52:11 SPEAKER_468: The necessity of the will to pierce this illusion still exists.

00:52:21 SPEAKER_468: It is in this necessity, and the expression of your will as worship of the infinite Creator, that allows you to more fully embody this connection, to dissolve more and more of this illusion,

00:52:25 SPEAKER_468: so that you may, as you walk the veiled path within the third density, be more... innate in your connection with the One Infinite Creator.

00:52:30 SPEAKER_468: You may walk in faith, allowing this illusory distance between the self and the Creator to have less of an influence,

00:52:43 SPEAKER_468: so that your own personal will may be in alignment with that of the One Infinite Creator.

00:52:54 SPEAKER_468: This concept of worship comes from this necessity of the third density self to lose the self, to forget this connection... and to then again seek that connection, it can be useful to feel small,

00:53:01 SPEAKER_468: and sometimes it is useful to feel as though the universe expands infinitely beyond the self, because this puts one in an orientation of attempting to seek the greatness of the One Infinite Creator.

00:53:17 SPEAKER_468: But a successful worship, as we would identify it,

00:53:31 SPEAKER_468: is one which does not emphasize the smallness or the insignificance... but rather one which seeks to dive so far deep into that smallness that one comes out the other side in recognition that one may

00:53:35 SPEAKER_468: be both infinitely small and infinitely large,

00:53:50 SPEAKER_468: and at one with the One Infinite Creator.

00:53:53 SPEAKER_468: Is there a follow-up to this query, my brother?

00:53:57 SPEAKER_468: That was beautiful.

00:54:00 SPEAKER_468: I'm grateful for your answer.

00:54:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Thank you.

00:54:03 Andrii Zvorygin: All right, what do you guys think?

00:54:03 Andrii Zvorygin: There was a lot to unpack there.

00:54:08 Andrii Zvorygin: I think that last sentence was really, really good.

00:54:11 Andrii Zvorygin: You want to reread it for us, Bill?

00:54:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh well, yeah.

00:54:16 Andrii Zvorygin: All it said is... "says, but a successful worship, as we would identify it, is one which does not emphasize the smallness or the insignificance,

00:54:32 SPEAKER_464: but rather one which seeks to dive so far deep into that smallness that one comes out the other side in recognition that one may be both infinitely small and infinitely large,

00:54:50 SPEAKER_464: and at one with the infinite Creator."

00:55:02 SPEAKER_464: And if you understand that we are thoughts dancing in this creation, that really could kind of come to... a good understanding.

00:55:11 SPEAKER_468: Yeah, I agree with that.

00:55:22 SPEAKER_468: And for me, this was interesting because I've never seen worship in that light of distressing or negativity.

00:55:26 SPEAKER_468: Not ever.

00:55:34 SPEAKER_468: The way that I was brought up, worship was something you did enjoy and gratitude.

00:55:42 SPEAKER_468: It was how you showed your thanks for all that was provided for you by God.

00:55:46 SPEAKER_468: It was how you showed your thanks for the love and the care you were given.

00:55:52 SPEAKER_468: It was also to share your gratitude for all you've overcome.

00:55:57 SPEAKER_468: And for me, the worship itself is a pleasurable act.

00:56:08 SPEAKER_468: Whether you're dancing, singing, just speaking out into the field... your love and gratitude—that worship.

00:56:10 SPEAKER_468: Worship—it's just interesting to see this that there was a negative connotation to it, but it makes perfect sense.

00:56:18 SPEAKER_468: But for me, it's... it's... it's a joyful activity.

00:56:32 SPEAKER_468: It's how you show your gratitude without necessarily needing to have expressed in one way.

00:56:34 SPEAKER_468: It's just whatever comes out of you that is your worship to be grateful for the creation, to be joyful of the creation and yourself.

00:56:38 SPEAKER_468: Thank you.

00:56:39 SPEAKER_468: Thanks.

00:56:51 SPEAKER_468: Yeah, yeah.

00:57:05 SPEAKER_307: I know for...

00:57:15 SPEAKER_307: I don't know how it is in America, but in Canada, worship in the context of church usually means the song service.

00:57:19 SPEAKER_307: So the singing portion, which usually is at the beginning of any church service, is considered the worship, and then the talking is called the sermon, and so...

00:57:29 SPEAKER_307: But I do kind of understand what Q'uo was getting at in terms of feeling that separation from the Creator.

00:57:35 SPEAKER_307: In terms of, well, depends on the song selection.

00:57:40 SPEAKER_307: In certain songs, it you know raises up, like say Jesus as someone other than... you know...

00:57:47 SPEAKER_307: Um, you know the self, and or you know like as some kind of higher entity, and that oh we have nothing to offer, and things like this.

00:57:57 SPEAKER_307: Um, so that is in some songs, you know, and that's one of the reasons.

00:57:59 SPEAKER_307: And uh, I prefer you know the songs that are more aligned with the Confederation philosophy.

00:58:01 SPEAKER_307: Um, and you know they... they are in all churches as well that I've been to.

00:58:12 SPEAKER_307: Um, so each church has... as they say, both the service to self and the service to other, or the ones that are more divisive and more unity oriented.

00:58:18 SPEAKER_307: Okay, so here's the breakdown.

00:58:20 SPEAKER_307: Worship is a complicated word.

00:58:28 SPEAKER_307: This concept identified within your query as worship is one which has many different flavors or meanings upon the planetary sphere.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_307: For many seekers, it carries religious, cultural, emotional, or historical baggage.

00:58:34 SPEAKER_307: Some experience it as devotion, reverence, surrender into love.

00:58:47 SPEAKER_307: Others experience it as coercion, fear, hierarchy, or the demand to become small before an external authority.

00:58:53 SPEAKER_307: The seekers, therefore, invited to examine what the word awakens within them.

00:58:59 SPEAKER_307: Organized religion can both facilitate and distort seeking.

00:59:04 SPEAKER_307: Those institutions that attempt to contribute to and facilitate, yet at the same time control and subdue the infinite spirit within the human being... who gives a balanced view?

00:59:14 SPEAKER_307: Religious institutions can preserve wisdom, create community, transmit devotion, and give seekers shared forms of practice.

00:59:17 SPEAKER_307: Yet they can also control the living spirit, tuning the seeker's natural hunger for the Creator into obedience to external systems.

00:59:19 SPEAKER_307: The key issue is whether the structure helps the soul open or causes it to contract.

00:59:28 SPEAKER_307: Service to others and service to self influences can exist inside the same institution.

00:59:29 SPEAKER_307: The service to others and service to self influences are alive and well within these world-spanning institutions... some parts may seek genuinely to serve the seeker and the Creator.

00:59:34 SPEAKER_307: Other parts may seek to control, status, fear, and dependency.

00:59:43 SPEAKER_307: The sermon is therefore essential.

01:00:00 SPEAKER_307: The seeker must test the fruit of the teaching: Does it increase love, freedom, humility, courage, and service, or does it deepen fear and separation?

01:00:15 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, for sure.

01:00:20 SPEAKER_307: This is kind of like something that's especially important for you know beginners,

01:00:23 SPEAKER_307: but it's also the hardest for them... and a lot of the beginners who find themselves in a church that deepens fear and separation get you know wounded,

01:00:26 SPEAKER_307: and then they feel oh you know all churches are like this, and in truth it can be hard to find those that consistently increase love, freedom, humility, courage, and service.

01:00:35 SPEAKER_307: And I think that each of us... when we do go to a church or any place, even here, we all have to do our part in promoting those service to others values.

01:00:37 SPEAKER_307: Worship can become surrender of sovereignty.

01:00:39 SPEAKER_307: The very concept of worship can be seen from a certain perspective of giving up one's own sovereignty.

01:00:41 SPEAKER_307: We've kind of covered this.

01:00:45 SPEAKER_307: Distorted worship creates distance from the Creator.

01:00:54 SPEAKER_307: There are various ways to impose strictures upon the concepts of worship that causes the seeker to continually give up the sovereignty, which is...

01:00:55 SPEAKER_307: Up to sovereignty, which is unfortunate.

01:01:01 SPEAKER_307: The seeker should examine inherited worship.

01:01:06 SPEAKER_307: Very good.

01:01:08 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, I want to go on to the positive aspects here.

01:01:11 SPEAKER_307: Carry the concept into your personal meditations, into your heart of your being, to value it within the heart of your own sovereignty of your own path.

01:01:15 SPEAKER_307: Who encourages conscious reevaluation?

01:01:23 SPEAKER_307: If the seeker inherited a painful concept of worship, they do not have to reject the word entirely, nor accept it unexamined.

01:01:27 SPEAKER_307: They can bring it into meditation and ask...

01:01:29 SPEAKER_307: "Does this form of worship help me serve?

01:01:31 SPEAKER_307: Does it open my heart?

01:01:33 SPEAKER_307: Does it honor the Creator within me and others?

01:01:44 SPEAKER_307: Does it strengthen love, or does it produce fear?"

01:01:47 SPEAKER_307: This more positive orientation of worship—not just bowing down to an external force, but a recognition of the infinity within the universe that exists—not just outside the self, but within the self.

01:01:54 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, seeing yourself as part of the infinite.

01:01:58 SPEAKER_307: This is Kula Central's redefinition.

01:02:00 SPEAKER_307: Worship is not merely bowing to something outside.

01:02:02 SPEAKER_307: True worship is reverence before the infinite.

01:02:07 SPEAKER_307: That is both beyond the self and within the self; it is the awe before the mystery of creation, joined with the recognition that the same mystery lives in the heart of the seeker.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_307: The veil hides unity, but the soul still hears the call.

01:02:19 SPEAKER_307: This connection, this innate unity with the One Infinite Creator and the incarnate being, is hidden from the self, and yet you hear its call.

01:02:21 SPEAKER_307: In third density, the seeker forgets their unity with the Creator.

01:02:24 SPEAKER_307: This forgetting makes seeking possible.

01:02:28 SPEAKER_307: Worship arises because the soul senses a hidden truth: I am separated in appearance, but united in essence.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_307: The call of the Creator is the soul's memory of this unity pressing through the veil.

01:02:37 SPEAKER_307: Worship can mean laying down the false self.

01:02:39 SPEAKER_307: One may choose in faith to lay down all aspects of the self that have been accumulated over your lifetime—not to give away your power.

01:02:47 SPEAKER_307: Who distinguishes between surrendering sovereignty and surrendering illusion?

01:03:01 SPEAKER_307: Positive worship does not mean giving away one's power.

01:03:05 SPEAKER_307: It means setting down the false layers that obscure the deeper self: fear, pride, control, wounded identity, and the hardened personality shell.

01:03:08 SPEAKER_307: Worship becomes an act of unveiling rather than self-destruction.

01:03:18 SPEAKER_307: The personality shell can conceal the Creator within.

01:03:31 SPEAKER_307: These aspects of self have, in many ways, been covering up and concealing your innate connection with the One Infinite Creator.

01:03:35 SPEAKER_307: The seeker's accumulated identity helps them function in the world, but it can also become a covering over the heart: roles, defenses, ambitions, resentments—and self-concepts may be useful for navigating their density,

01:03:38 SPEAKER_307: yet limited for union with the Creator.

01:03:47 SPEAKER_307: Worship gently loosens the grip of these surface identities.

01:03:53 SPEAKER_307: Inner and outer are ultimately illusory distinctions.

01:03:57 SPEAKER_307: One can find this power more readily—not just outside of the self, but within the self—and realize that these distinctions of inner and outer are illusory.

01:04:03 SPEAKER_307: At first, worship may feel like reaching outward towards God; as it deepens, the seeker discovers that the one being reached toward is also the one reaching from within.

01:04:05 SPEAKER_307: The distinction between inner, God, and outer God begins to dissolve.

01:04:08 SPEAKER_307: Worship becomes communion with the infinite in all directions.

01:04:16 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, and you know—even in the Bible, John 17: Jesus talks about how He is in us and we are in the Father,

01:04:18 SPEAKER_307: and like we're all one—and it's exactly this communion with the infinite in all directions.

01:04:21 SPEAKER_307: Will is needed to pierce the illusion; the necessity of the will to pierce the illusions exists.

01:04:26 SPEAKER_307: Who describes worship as passivity?

01:04:30 SPEAKER_307: The seeker must exercise will, faith, attention, and devotion.

01:04:33 SPEAKER_307: The illusion of separation may be unreal in the ultimate sense, but it is experientially powerful.

01:04:38 SPEAKER_307: Worship is one way that the seeker gathers the will to move through that illusion and live closer to union—and live closer to unity.

01:04:44 SPEAKER_307: Worship aligns personal will with divine will.

01:04:46 SPEAKER_307: Your own personal will may be in alignment with that of the Infinite Creator.

01:04:48 SPEAKER_307: This is one of the most practical fruits of worship.

01:04:54 SPEAKER_307: The goal is not humiliation; the goal is alignment.

01:04:57 SPEAKER_307: The seeker brings the personal will into harmony with the deeper current of love, wisdom, and service.

01:05:01 SPEAKER_307: In this sense, worship helps the seeker become more truly themselves because the deepest self is already rooted in the Creator.

01:05:05 SPEAKER_307: True worship moves through smallness into vastness.

01:05:12 SPEAKER_307: A successful worship does not emphasize the smallness or insignificance.

01:05:14 SPEAKER_307: Rather, one may be both infinitely small and infinitely large—at one with the Infinite Creator.

01:05:24 SPEAKER_307: Oh, this is the one Bill liked.

01:05:25 SPEAKER_307: Cool allows that feeling of small before the universe to be useful.

01:05:29 SPEAKER_307: Awe can soften pride, but successful worship does not leave the seeker crushed or insignificant; it carries the seeker through humility into unity.

01:05:31 SPEAKER_307: The seeker discovers the paradox: as personality, they are tiny; as the expression of the Creator, they are infinite.

01:05:36 SPEAKER_307: Worship is the return after the forgetting.

01:05:43 SPEAKER_307: The concept of worship comes from this necessity of the third-density self to lose the self, forget the connection, and again seek that connection—this is the incarnation pattern.

01:05:49 SPEAKER_307: The soul forgets unity, experiences separation, hears the call, seeks the Creator, gradually remembers.

01:05:55 SPEAKER_307: Worship is one movement in that direction—in that return, it is the heart turning back toward that which has always been but was temporarily forgotten.

01:06:06 SPEAKER_307: All right; it's kind of unpleasant.

01:06:16 SPEAKER_307: Me?

01:06:18 SPEAKER_307: Okay.

01:06:23 SPEAKER_307: I have a question: I know the importance in my own soul's journey of doing my own personal shadow work and how that has helped me to grow, transform, and create new things in my life.

01:06:25 SPEAKER_307: But I'm confused about collective shadow work—as I also understand that when we put our attention on things, it grows.

01:06:29 SPEAKER_307: Is it important for us as individuals to process the collective shadow out loud together, or is it actually creating more of a collective shadow?

01:06:37 SPEAKER_307: Oh, yeah; this is a good question.

01:06:39 SPEAKER_307: Who wants to read this one?

01:06:43 SPEAKER_307: I'll do it.

01:06:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Go ahead, Bill.

01:06:57 SPEAKER_464: I am Q'uo and am aware of the query, my sister.

01:07:13 SPEAKER_464: We appreciate the nuanced presentation of such a query.

01:07:14 SPEAKER_464: We would emphasize the importance of this query at this particular time upon your planetary sphere—for you are at a certain point of transformation:

01:07:23 SPEAKER_464: the transition from third density to fourth density—which will naturally encourage the population of your planet to form what we have called a social memory complex.

01:07:33 SPEAKER_464: However, before the social memory complex can be fully formed,

01:07:48 SPEAKER_464: what you have identified with your query as the collective shadow must also be processed—as your individual shadows must be processed for you to become and realize your whole integral being.

01:07:49 SPEAKER_464: Similar to how doing shadow work upon your own journey helps you embody more and more of your true self,

01:08:03 SPEAKER_464: so too will the collective shadow work of your social memory complex allow it then to blossom, flourish, and allow you to exist as a population that is both individual to yourself and collectively one being.

01:08:14 SPEAKER_464: The nuance within your query of desiring to aid in this transition and process of grappling with the shadow—paired with the understanding that placing attention upon certain things serves to energize them—is a careful and difficult

01:08:26 SPEAKER_464: concept to unravel,

01:08:41 SPEAKER_464: but we will attempt our best through this instrument.

01:08:41 SPEAKER_464: The basic understanding comes from the idea that you are not fully conscious beings, and your collective population is not fully conscious either.

01:08:57 SPEAKER_464: You have a vast unconscious mind that—due to the veil of forgetting—is somewhat inaccessible to you from the conscious sense; so too does your social memory complex have a vast, at this time, unconscious mind.

01:09:08 SPEAKER_464: You may say that the chaos of the population upon your planet is indicative of the conscious mind of your social memory complex being confused due to the chaos within the unconscious mind.

01:09:21 SPEAKER_464: Your shadow work that you do on your personal journey is an attempt to reveal the unconscious to the conscious; in this sense,

01:09:25 SPEAKER_464: it serves as a portal to then discover those things about your being that have been hidden, subdued, suppressed, and repressed—things outside of your immediate attention but nevertheless continue to animate your actions and thoughts.

01:09:40 SPEAKER_464: To dwell upon the darkness within—to allow it to fester through only giving it attention without the desire to bring it to light—does indeed help to energize these things.

01:09:55 SPEAKER_464: However, this energizing is indeed a mechanism of intelligent energy.

01:10:02 SPEAKER_464: You may say: for order to balance distortion, it must be fully recognized; and to be fully recognized, it must be energized, accentuated,

01:10:13 SPEAKER_464: and nuanced so that the distortion stands out to perception in a clear and obvious way—so that the conscious mind has a concept to relate to, a portal to travel through,

01:10:26 SPEAKER_464: so that the distortion itself may be brought into the heart of being in its full understanding and full beingness, allowed to transform and heal within the cell.

01:10:41 SPEAKER_464: The collective population upon your planet may do this work as well—but we say that facilitating this work on a collective level is an incredibly challenging and nuanced task—one that we would recommend to any seeker

01:11:00 SPEAKER_464: who feels called to do so.

01:11:13 SPEAKER_464: Yet we would caution the seeker: this task of facilitating collective processing of the collective shadow can be one fraught with difficulty and missteps.

01:11:19 SPEAKER_464: This too is part of, you may say, the plan, the design of the system.

01:11:29 SPEAKER_464: You are not intended to operate perfectly and arrive upon your planet and fix all of the problems from your simple beingness.

01:11:34 SPEAKER_464: Part of your plan in incarnating upon this planet was not just to serve, but also to discover more of the self through the catalyst available here.

01:11:46 SPEAKER_464: And your planet at this time is rich with catalyst.

01:11:48 SPEAKER_464: There is much to be discovered about the self in the attempt to bring healing and understanding to the collective shadow through how one may misstep and falter upon this journey.

01:12:05 SPEAKER_464: However, this is one of the most integral and important tasks for seekers who feel called at this time.

01:12:13 SPEAKER_464: You probably recognize as you look out upon the surface of your world and how your other selves relate to each other, individually and as groups, many positive transformations.

01:12:27 SPEAKER_464: But at the same time, there is an increasing confusion and difficulty.

01:12:32 SPEAKER_464: This difficulty is a manifestation of the collective shadow that, if you are able, you may help to transform within the self.

01:12:49 SPEAKER_464: And within the greater self of your social memory complex, we would wrap up.

01:12:59 SPEAKER_464: You may say by emphasizing that this task for the individual seeker almost always, from the foundation of individual seeking, any transformation that you may offer to your collective is built upon and requires personal transformation.

01:13:07 SPEAKER_464: That you may not change the world, but you may change yourself, and your selfness is in the world.

01:13:15 SPEAKER_464: Thus [you] change the world.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_464: This is an important thing to remember, for it can be quite hopeless.

01:13:22 SPEAKER_464: You may say, for any individual looking out upon the world, desiring to bring peace and healing, yet feeling so small and insignificant against the backdrop of such chaos.

01:13:35 SPEAKER_464: But to reach within the self, to tap the potential within the self.

01:13:39 SPEAKER_464: Tap the potential within the cell is to tap the potential of intelligent infinity and the one infinite Creator, which, if recognized in its fullest, can indeed change the world through the simple expression of beingness.

01:14:03 SPEAKER_464: And there's no follow-up to that question.

01:14:05 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:14:07 SPEAKER_464: Oh, I said yeah.

01:14:07 SPEAKER_991: Thank you.

01:14:07 SPEAKER_991: That was beautiful.

01:14:09 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

01:14:09 SPEAKER_991: Um.

01:14:17 SPEAKER_991: I had to go do some plumbing, so so I had to stop strolling for a bit.

01:14:17 SPEAKER_991: Um.

01:14:23 SPEAKER_991: The kitchen sink fell apart, and I had to put it back together.

01:14:24 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:14:25 SPEAKER_991: Um.

01:14:30 SPEAKER_991: What did you guys think of that?

01:14:34 SPEAKER_464: Well, same old, same old.

01:14:35 SPEAKER_464: Change.

01:14:42 SPEAKER_464: Well, same old, same old.

01:14:44 SPEAKER_991: Changing the collective consciousness starts with changing the individual consciousness.

01:14:53 SPEAKER_991: It's true, it's true.

01:15:10 SPEAKER_464: You know, I find so much is based on the limits of conceivability.

01:15:14 SPEAKER_464: You know, if you manage to work upon yourself and reach a new level of forgiveness, love, and kindness for all creation, then it just has a ripple effect.

01:15:20 SPEAKER_464: You don't [need] that forgiveness whole world.

01:15:23 Andrii Zvorygin: That forgiveness, kindness, and lovingness starts with you doing that to yourself.

01:15:31 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly, exactly, exactly.

01:15:35 Andrii Zvorygin: You have to start by having that loving thought within yourself, and then others can have it too.

01:15:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I remember Fred.

01:15:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Fred had one of those, and eventually got to the Pope.

01:15:40 Andrii Zvorygin: It was cool.

01:15:41 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't remember what it was right now, but oh, oh, oh!

01:15:46 Andrii Zvorygin: I know.

01:16:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Remember, Fred.

01:16:14 Andrii Zvorygin: You were talking about how [to] earn a living.

01:16:16 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know if Fred is with us, but anyways, Fred was talking about how um people shouldn't have to earn a living that they are and have inherent dignity and worth,

01:16:22 Andrii Zvorygin: and most in the most recent encyclical of the Catholic Church, there's now like a whole paragraph dedicated to exactly that concept.

01:16:26 Andrii Zvorygin: All right, collective maybe even several paragraphs.

01:16:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Collective shadow work matters at this time.

01:16:29 Andrii Zvorygin: We would emphasize the importance of this query at this particular time.

01:16:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes, yes.

01:16:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Humanity is moving towards social memory complex.

01:16:58 Andrii Zvorygin: You are [at] a certain point of transformation, the transformation of the transition from third to fourth density, which will naturally encourage the population of your planet to form what we have called social memory complex.

01:17:03 Andrii Zvorygin: For this, the larger background is the shift from separation consciousness towards shared consciousness.

01:17:12 Andrii Zvorygin: A social memory complex is a collective being in which individuals remain themselves yet participate consciously [in] a greater shared mind, memory, and identity.

01:17:15 Andrii Zvorygin: For this to mature harmoniously, humanity's buried material must be brought into awareness and processed with forgiveness.

01:17:24 Andrii Zvorygin: The collective shadow must be processed before the collective whole is conformed.

01:17:31 Andrii Zvorygin: Before the social memory complex can be fully formed, the collective shadow must also be processed.

01:17:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Kuhl compares the collective shadow work to personal shadow work.

01:17:43 Andrii Zvorygin: A person becomes more whole by facing the parts of the self that have been hidden, denied, and wounded; humanity must do the same.

01:17:46 Andrii Zvorygin: The collective shadow includes the unprocessed fear, cruelty, grief, domination, trauma, and confusion carried in groups, cultures, nations, religions, institutions, and human history.

01:17:50 Andrii Zvorygin: The goal is both individuality and unity: Allow you to exist as a population that is both individual to yourself and collectively one being.

01:17:55 Andrii Zvorygin: The goal is a paradoxical wholeness.

01:17:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Each being remains unique while also becoming conscious of belonging to one greater self.

01:18:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Placing attention upon certain things serves to energize them.

01:18:14 Andrii Zvorygin: This is a subtle danger and shadow work.

01:18:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Speaking constantly of darkness without healing intention can feed the darkness.

01:18:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Fear, outrage, accusation, and fascination can give energy to what they claim to oppose.

01:18:21 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker must therefore ask: Am I bringing this into the light for healing, or am I feeding it through fixation?

01:18:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Humanity has a collective unconscious.

01:18:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Your collective population is not fully conscious either.

01:18:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Your social memory complex has a vast, at this time, unconscious mind.

01:18:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Kuo extends the idea of unconscious from the individual to humanity as a whole.

01:18:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Just as a person has hidden motives, wounds, and patterns, so does the planetary collective.

01:19:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Wars, social fragmentation, institutional abuse, ideological possessions, scapegoating, and mass confusion can be seen [as] symptoms of a collective unconscious seeking expression.

01:19:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Outer chaos reflects inner collective confusion.

01:19:10 Andrii Zvorygin: The chaos of the population upon your planet is indicative of the conscious mind of your social memory complex being confused due to the chaos within the unconscious mind.

01:19:20 Andrii Zvorygin: The visible world mirrors the invisible collective interior.

01:19:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Social conflict is not merely political or economic; it also reveals unintegrated psychic and spiritual material.

01:19:28 Andrii Zvorygin: The collective is acting out what it has not yet brought into conscious love.

01:19:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Shadow work reveals what has been hidden.

01:19:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Shadow work serves as a portal to then discover those things about your being that have been hidden, that have been subdued, suppressed, and repressed.

01:19:40 Andrii Zvorygin: This gives a clean definition of shadow work: It is the process [of bringing] hidden material, bringing hidden material into awareness.

01:19:45 Andrii Zvorygin: The shadow is not always evil.

01:19:46 Andrii Zvorygin: It may contain woundedness, shame, grief, anger, power, and creativity.

01:19:51 Andrii Zvorygin: I would say it's never... or I don't know, maybe sometimes it is the truth or love that you know.

01:19:59 Andrii Zvorygin: If it's intentional service to self, what remains unconscious still influences behavior.

01:20:05 Andrii Zvorygin: So healing requires revelation.

01:20:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Darkness festers when attention lacks healing intention.

01:20:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes, I would agree.

01:20:29 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, you always have to bring it up [to] forgiveness, love, and kindness.

01:20:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Where's the love in the moment?

01:20:37 Andrii Zvorygin: To dwell upon the darkness within... to allow it to fester through only giving it attention without the desire to bring it to light does indeed help to energize those things.

01:20:42 Andrii Zvorygin: This is the difference between processing and feeding.

01:20:46 Andrii Zvorygin: To merely dwell on an evil, corruption, trauma, or pain can deepen its hold, but to bring darkness into light with love, understanding, responsibility, and a desire to heal transforms the purpose of attention.

01:20:51 Andrii Zvorygin: The same subject can either poison or liberate, depending on the heart orientation of the seeker.

01:20:55 Andrii Zvorygin: A distortion must be recognized before it can be balanced.

01:20:58 Andrii Zvorygin: For in order for a distortion to be balanced, it must be fully recognized.

01:21:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Who gives [the] reason shadow, where it cannot simply be avoided?

01:21:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Ignoring the shadow may feel more positive, but what is hidden continues to animate thought and behavior.

01:21:06 Andrii Zvorygin: A distortion must be seen clearly before it can be healed.

01:21:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Recognition is therefore a sacred stage of balancing.

01:21:17 Andrii Zvorygin: The shadow must become visible enough to be understood.

01:21:24 Andrii Zvorygin: It must stand out [to] the perception in a clear and obvious way, so that the conscious mind has a concept to relate to.

01:21:36 Andrii Zvorygin: A vague uneasiness is hard to heal.

01:21:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Sometimes the shadow must become more visible, more defined, and more emotionally charged before the conscious mind can work with it.

01:21:56 Andrii Zvorygin: This can be painful because it may look like the problem is growing.

01:22:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Kuo suggests that the intensity can also be part of the process by which the hidden material becomes available for healing.

01:22:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and I think that part of being able to truly see things is to clear the soot of resentment from the pains of your heart, so that you can see them as they are,

01:22:04 Andrii Zvorygin: and not as the projections and the fear and the pain that you're holding within you.

01:22:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, here the shadows brought into the heart; the distortion itself may be brought into the heart of being, in full understanding and its full beingness, and allowed to transform and heal within itself,

01:22:18 Andrii Zvorygin: and that requires you to have transparent pains so they may enter.

01:22:24 Andrii Zvorygin: The goal is not condemnation.

01:22:28 Andrii Zvorygin: The goal is heart integration.

01:22:36 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker brings the shadow into love, where it can be understood, softened, redeemed, and transformed.

01:22:42 Andrii Zvorygin: On the collective level, this means learning to hold the pain of humanity without hatred, despair, or spiritual pride—or let's say with love, with hope, and with humility.

01:22:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Facilitating collective shadow work is difficult and subtle.

01:22:45 Andrii Zvorygin: To facilitate this work on a collective level is an incredibly challenging and nuanced task.

01:22:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Kuhl honors those called to this work while warning that it is demanding.

01:22:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Publicly processing the collective shadow can involve strong emotions, projections, ideological conflict, trauma responses, and missteps.

01:23:00 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker needs humility, patience, discernment, and a strong foundation in personal work.

01:23:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Amen.

01:23:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, for sure.

01:23:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Steps are part of the learning.

01:23:15 Andrii Zvorygin: This task can be one fraught with difficulty and missteps; this too is part of the plan.

01:23:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Kual gives permission for imperfection.

01:23:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Seekers working with collective pain will make mistakes.

01:23:37 Andrii Zvorygin: They may overspeak, underspeak, project, withdraw, become discouraged, or misjudge timing.

01:23:42 Andrii Zvorygin: These missteps can become catalysts for deeper self-knowledge.

01:23:50 Andrii Zvorygin: The work becomes teaching the worker.

01:23:52 Andrii Zvorygin: We incarnate to serve and to learn.

01:23:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Part of your plan is incarnating upon this planet not just to serve, but also to discover more of the self through the catalyst available here.

01:24:00 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker may want to fix the world immediately, but Kula reminds us that incarnation has a double purpose:

01:24:09 Andrii Zvorygin: we are here to serve others and also to learn from the very catalyst we meet while serving.

01:24:13 Andrii Zvorygin: The collective shadow is not only a problem outside the self; it is also a mirror that reveals the self.

01:24:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Collective shadow work is integral for those called to it.

01:24:20 Andrii Zvorygin: This is one of the most integral and important tasks for seekers who feel called to it at this time.

01:24:24 Andrii Zvorygin: This call gives strong validation.

01:24:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Those who feel called to collective healing, public truth-telling, reconciliation, peacemaking, trauma integration, community repair, or cultural transformation may be responding to a genuine spiritual task.

01:24:35 Andrii Zvorygin: The calling should be approached with reverence rather than egoic urgency.

01:24:37 Andrii Zvorygin: The world's increasing confusion reveals the collective shadow; there is an increasing confusion and difficulty.

01:24:41 Andrii Zvorygin: The difficulty is a manifestation of the collective shadow.

01:24:45 Andrii Zvorygin: There are also signs that hidden material is surfacing.

01:24:47 Andrii Zvorygin: The work is to help transform this material rather than becoming consumed by it.

01:24:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Any transformation you may offer your collective is built upon and requires personal transformation.

01:24:52 Andrii Zvorygin: This is a practical anchor.

01:24:53 Andrii Zvorygin: The seeker cannot bypass personal healing by focusing only on the collective.

01:24:57 Andrii Zvorygin: The quality of one's public service depends upon the quality of one's inner work.

01:25:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes, yes, and yes.

01:25:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Unhealed anger may masquerade as truth; fear may masquerade as discernment; pride may masquerade as mission.

01:25:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Personal transformation purifies the channel of service.

01:25:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Amen.

01:25:20 Andrii Zvorygin: The change of the world by changing the self that is in the world: You may not change the world, but you may change yourself and your Selfness that is in the world.

01:25:25 Andrii Zvorygin: This changes the world.

01:25:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Amen.

01:25:32 Andrii Zvorygin: This is one of the strongest lines of the passage.

01:25:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Who offers Cool offers a realistic and mystical view of influence.

01:25:50 Andrii Zvorygin: The individual may feel small before planetary chaos, but the transformed self becomes a living field of change possibilities; Beingness itself becomes this.

01:25:52 Andrii Zvorygin: The Self contains access to Intelligent Infinity.

01:25:56 Andrii Zvorygin: To reach within the Self, to tap the potential within the Self, is to tap the potential Intelligent Infinity of the One Infinite Creator within the seeker.

01:26:00 Andrii Zvorygin: When the seeker works sincerely with their own shadow, love and fear, and service, they touch the same divine potential that underlies the whole planet.

01:26:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Simple Beingness can change the world; which, if recognized in its fullest, can indeed change the world through the simple expression of Beingness.

01:26:15 Andrii Zvorygin: All right, all right.

01:26:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, any last questions or remarks before we close off the meeting?

01:26:27 Andrii Zvorygin: I guess we should figure out where we were.

01:26:29 SPEAKER_464: I don't know if everyone fell asleep while I was reading; I'm paying attention.

01:26:34 SPEAKER_464: We're at the last question of the session on March 28th.

01:26:37 SPEAKER_464: Oh, okay.

01:26:41 Andrii Zvorygin: This is a long one.

01:26:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:26:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, okay.

01:26:45 Andrii Zvorygin: I guess we'll do that: Last question of March 28th.

01:26:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Next time?

01:26:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:26:55 Andrii Zvorygin: So...

01:26:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, thank you all, and I guess with that, as I find you, leave you in the infinite love, an infinite light,

01:27:13 Andrii Zvorygin: of the Infinite Creator within you and all around you—go forth therefore rejoicing in an infinite power, an infinite peace, my friends.

01:27:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Adonai, Vassuboragos.

01:27:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Adonai, thank you.

01:27:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.