Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — May 30, 2026

00:00:00 SPEAKER_755: On Infinite Creator, I'm Andres Morgan.

00:00:03 SPEAKER_755: Here today with Ed, Adam, Bill, Dan, and we will be reading part two of the March seventeen, twenty twenty six, channeling session of.

00:00:20 SPEAKER_755: Oh, hold on a second.

00:00:26 SPEAKER_755: I set these settings correctly.

00:00:30 SPEAKER_755: About faith beyond logic and the relationship between the mind and the spirit.

00:00:40 SPEAKER_755: All right.

00:00:42 SPEAKER_755: So here we go.

00:00:46 SPEAKER_755: Yes, cool.

00:00:49 SPEAKER_755: I have some queries as these are also somewhat complex.

00:00:53 SPEAKER_755: So thank you for bearing with me.

00:00:55 SPEAKER_755: The first one is inspired by something that our friend of Halo.

00:00:59 SPEAKER_755: said in our last session.

00:01:00 SPEAKER_755: So I'll read you the quote.

00:01:02 SPEAKER_755: Halos said, "Faith starts out as positive belief, but becomes a surety, a knowing beyond intellectual knowledge, a transcendence of the rational mind, and the world system whereby the entity has leapt into the air,

00:01:16 SPEAKER_755: into nothing, and rests upon not a structure of logical thought or scientific theory, but in that eternity which is forever beyond space and time, which has been.

00:01:28 SPEAKER_755: Time, which has before, which was before space and time, and which is one's true nature.

00:01:33 SPEAKER_755: Faith is the bridge to this reality, your deeper nature, and through this bridge or portal or doorway, one who is upon the positive path is more centered in their own power.

00:01:44 SPEAKER_755: So my question is, when reckoning with the real world situations, attempting to navigate our world with discernment and care, it can seem foolish to let go of a structure of logical thought,

00:01:55 SPEAKER_755: as Halos called it.

00:01:56 SPEAKER_755: I don't believe the Confederation would necessarily encourage seekers to abandon all consideration of the rational.

00:02:03 SPEAKER_755: But I also note that you seem to emphasize that faith is absolutely central and outside the bounds of logical thought, while logical thought is not upheld as equally central and important.

00:02:16 SPEAKER_755: It would be easy to interpret this as an appeal to release logic and rationality in favour of faith.

00:02:22 SPEAKER_755: So, can you please elaborate on this tension?

00:02:25 SPEAKER_755: and help me understand the proper place of logic and rational thought in relation to faith.

00:02:34 SPEAKER_464: Bill, we are those of Q'uo and give thanks for this well-fashioned question, which is one which the mystical seeker is inclined to grapple with at many points in their journey,

00:02:46 SPEAKER_464: for the seeking of the one Creator, which those in this room and those who read our words and many around the world are presently engaged in is, in other words,

00:02:59 SPEAKER_464: a mystical journey and ultimately one of faith.

00:03:03 SPEAKER_464: For the third density entity beyond the veil comes to the Creator not through a logical structure per se, but through the leap into midair, the opening of the door of faith.

00:03:15 SPEAKER_464: But you are right to note that for the separation-bound entity, there seems to be a tension in relation.

00:03:24 SPEAKER_464: Be attention in relationship between those seemingly mutual, exclusive modes of being.

00:03:30 SPEAKER_464: We might begin to attempt to, in principle, speak to the path of reconciling these two seeming categories of thought.

00:03:38 SPEAKER_464: That being faith in the rational mind, by first speaking to the function and the domain of the rational mind, that which you and those of Halos have described as logic may, in some limit.

00:03:54 SPEAKER_464: May, in some limited but fruitful ways, be likened to computation.

00:03:59 SPEAKER_464: In metaphor, this portion of the third density wiring, that being the brain, as a correlate of the mind itself, is a function of problem solving.

00:04:10 SPEAKER_464: Shall we say a means by which the entity may analyse the information available to it and solve the problem or a set of problems that may be in front of it. to find ways to

00:04:26 SPEAKER_464: get one's needs met.

00:04:27 SPEAKER_464: To understand, in big air quotes, the world about one through this sort of computational analysis, where my data is being stored and retrieved, and synthesized and discarded and distorted and accepted or rejected,

00:04:43 SPEAKER_464: and so forth.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_464: And above its level, this functionality, as we have briefly but not sufficiently described, certain Described serves its purpose.

00:05:02 SPEAKER_464: It is, in short, useful to the entity.

00:05:11 SPEAKER_464: However, it is clothed by and made of a realm of separation, a realm of illusion, a conceptual idea about reality that is not reality.

00:05:14 SPEAKER_464: That is removed from reality.

00:05:26 SPEAKER_464: This creates a game or a stage play within which entities have the pleasure of pretending that they are separate, and from this fictional premise of separation, determining how they shall relate to one another,

00:05:30 SPEAKER_464: this creates circumstances producing, as you know, the opportunity to polarize one's consciousness.

00:05:51 SPEAKER_464: This logical mind, however, of itself, unrelieved by faith, remains bound within a world of separation.

00:05:58 SPEAKER_464: It creates the separation by parsing out a unified and indivisible reality into seeming disconnected or relatively connected parts with more or less independent existence, and thus builds a whole paradigm,

00:06:06 SPEAKER_464: and indeed a whole world and universe on a premise that has no actual ground in reality.

00:06:22 SPEAKER_464: The logical mind describes to the passing and temporary images that it sees as having substance and solidity, and thus strives forever, however futile the exercise may be, to find lasting satisfaction, meaning,

00:06:32 SPEAKER_464: meaning freedom from pain and happiness, while being identified with the illusion.

00:06:48 SPEAKER_464: It, this logic-bound mind, is often caught, according even to the best of its own thinking, in patterns of grasping at that which is not real, and expression aversion towards that which is not real,

00:06:55 SPEAKER_464: the inevitable result of which is the hallmark of third density experience, that being suffering.

00:07:10 SPEAKER_464: On and on this game can be played, and the logic applied to the analysis of a situation in ways that seem to bear fruit and produce for one result.

00:07:16 SPEAKER_464: For one results, and indeed this is the case.

00:07:29 SPEAKER_464: It is rather that those results, however, they may help one and one to navigate the horizontal plane of existence in one lateral move after another, shall we say?

00:07:33 SPEAKER_464: We pause to allow this instrument a break, as he has lost this thread to some degree.

00:07:47 SPEAKER_464: We were speaking of the usefulness of the logical and analytical mind in the third density illusion, in terms of the results it produces for the entity which engages this faculty, but those results,

00:07:59 SPEAKER_464: useful though they are upon their own plane, will, unrelieved by transcendence, keep the identity.

00:08:18 SPEAKER_464: We correct this instrument.

00:08:25 SPEAKER_464: Keep the entity's awareness inextricably identified with the world of form and its companion suffering, for the entity who has experienced awakening to their inner light,

00:08:28 SPEAKER_464: be it more often than not through the catalyst or suffering or whatever else may have awakened this inner power and provided the entity the peak beyond the curtain they see,

00:08:41 SPEAKER_464: uses this inner light not only for the required horizontal movement of the third density plane, but to begin the ascent upward, shall we say, upon the vertical plane,

00:08:54 SPEAKER_464: which has been described as the return journey home to the Creator, to the true nature of the self outside the illusion.

00:09:09 SPEAKER_464: This is a very long journey, our friends, that extends endlessly beyond the third density experience.

00:09:21 SPEAKER_464: And then there is an extreme end, shall we say, for the fully self-realizing.

00:09:28 SPEAKER_464: I think you missed a paragraph.

00:09:35 SPEAKER_464: Oh, but for those within your plane seeking to move upward, the logical mind and the entity's relationship to this faculty and its use within the being evolve alongside of the being.

00:09:39 SPEAKER_464: In simple terms, we may say that the entity accelerating their spiritual journey gradually and increasingly relies less upon the logical mind, has its sole tool for understanding its environment.

00:09:56 SPEAKER_464: It is an ever-evolving, shifting, and dynamic, shifting and fluid dynamic.

00:10:11 SPEAKER_464: And then there is an extreme end, shall we say, for the fully self-realized being.

00:10:15 SPEAKER_464: But upon the journey, there shall we say is, as we have said a dynamic relationship between faith and the rational, intuitive mind, and in that dynamic, evolving relationship,

00:10:24 SPEAKER_464: the entity knows when and where and how to apply that mind for its intended function without identification with the world it creates of form and separateness and otherness.

00:10:38 SPEAKER_464: Instead, the entity increasingly looks within the heart of self for the true or truer understanding of the moment, which is forever and always outside of the constructs of space and time.

00:10:52 SPEAKER_464: Before, shall we say, space and time were dreamed into existence.

00:11:08 SPEAKER_464: This is the true nature of self, the ground of being, is not one of logic precisely, nor is the key to an open to its logic, to access what,

00:11:12 SPEAKER_464: from the standpoint of the separation-bound self, is the innermost holy sanctum.

00:11:29 SPEAKER_464: One must die to the self, releasing their attachment to the illusion and their identification with form, surrendering in devotion fully to the Creator.

00:11:37 SPEAKER_464: Surrender that personal will of resistance and seeking.

00:11:47 SPEAKER_464: That this separation bound will may be aligned, infused, and be one with the one true will, the will of the Creator.

00:11:50 SPEAKER_464: This fundamental transformation and awakening from the dream and the return to the true self, the rational mind cannot do.

00:12:01 SPEAKER_464: This is not to say that the entity of fate discards the tool entirely.

00:12:09 SPEAKER_464: For even the entity of faith remains, to some degree, playing a game upon a stage.

00:12:15 SPEAKER_464: And on that particular stage, some degree of problem solving and thinking may be helpful, but that tool becomes subordinate to the expanded awareness of the self, which has almost entirely shifted its perspective at,

00:12:25 SPEAKER_464: shall we say, value systems.

00:12:38 SPEAKER_464: The awakening and awakened self is playing a different game entirely.

00:12:40 SPEAKER_464: That is, for the most part, outside of the rules and norms of your society, in which the entity seeks to disarm and to be vulnerable to the moment,

00:12:45 SPEAKER_464: wherein it seeks to bring both the light and the dark into the heart of acceptance, and which it sees that whatever may be transpiring upon the surface of your world,

00:12:57 SPEAKER_464: including in the face of hatred and division and injustice.

00:13:14 SPEAKER_464: Division and injustice—all is the Creator.

00:13:19 SPEAKER_464: All is the Creator, knowing itself, and thus there is nothing to fear.

00:13:22 SPEAKER_464: Nowhere ever to go but here.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_464: No particular someone to be, for all is the self, and that self is forever unbound and free in a dimensionless dimension.

00:13:30 SPEAKER_464: And where the logical bound mind would attempt to sort and order, and has, as often the case, control or manipulate situation, or reconfigure it to one's liking.

00:13:40 SPEAKER_464: The entity of faith may, in its most developed form, release all resistance to the moment and attachment to the outcome.

00:13:48 SPEAKER_464: Okay, hold on.

00:13:59 SPEAKER_464: I think.

00:14:00 SPEAKER_464: Oh, oh, okay.

00:14:01 SPEAKER_464: I guess there's just a few more paragraphs.

00:14:03 SPEAKER_464: Okay, all right.

00:14:06 SPEAKER_464: Let's continue.

00:14:07 SPEAKER_464: And it may seem to the reader that to look upon the moment with faithful eyes is to become, shall we pejorically say, dumb, to turn off the intelligence, become unthinking.

00:14:13 SPEAKER_464: But we may say that it is only through faith that truth may flow into and through the self.

00:14:29 SPEAKER_464: It is only through faith that one may make contact with what is actually happening in the given moment.

00:14:37 SPEAKER_464: It is clear, or in your logical terms, more effective to see and analyse and study the shadows shaking upon the surface,

00:14:46 SPEAKER_464: or to step out from that cave and see the light source which was creating their shadows.

00:14:57 SPEAKER_464: To recognize that that light source is within the self and ultimately the self.

00:15:06 SPEAKER_464: That is the same light source that underlies any moment in any incarnation within third density, and every moment of any place,

00:15:12 SPEAKER_464: the entity's feet may take them through the multidimensional journey of the birth and death of densities and octaves and entities and places.

00:15:21 SPEAKER_464: To such an entity as learned to abide in faith, they are free and liberated from the constraints and strictures of the illusion.

00:15:32 SPEAKER_464: Amen.

00:15:44 SPEAKER_464: This is not to say that they are impervious to harm or bodily destruction, but rather that they have found a true end to suffering and may move about freely in single pointedness in the desire,

00:15:48 SPEAKER_464: or rather, in the beingness of pure radiance, which radiates regardless of the circumstances or the mistreatment of the cruelty on display.

00:15:50 SPEAKER_464: Which is beyond the basic and necessary, which is beyond the basic and necessary maintenance of the body and the mind and the lower chakras, as through discipline, will and faith become crystallized,

00:16:07 SPEAKER_464: that the Creator may operate through this entity, who believed for a time that it was separate, and through devotion and inquiry and faith, surrender the entire separate entity that it had made.

00:16:20 SPEAKER_464: From an illusory position, merging once more into that infinite awareness from which it never separated.

00:16:38 SPEAKER_493: To see with the eyes of faith is to remove the veils from the eyes that produce a cognition and awareness that it is bound within the stricture and constraints of a logical mind.

00:16:49 SPEAKER_466: All right, great.

00:16:51 SPEAKER_466: Hey, Fred.

00:17:02 SPEAKER_466: That was a long answer.

00:17:02 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, that was long.

00:17:03 SPEAKER_466: I think there's a lot of really good stuff in there.

00:17:05 SPEAKER_466: We'll have to tease out when we do the breakdown.

00:17:07 SPEAKER_466: One thing I'd like to jump in straight away.

00:17:17 SPEAKER_466: There was a line in there that really did hit me hard, and it was said about how the further you go down the journey, the less you rely on the internet,

00:17:20 SPEAKER_466: and the more you just kind of channel the information through you.

00:17:24 SPEAKER_466: And, dude, I've been finding that, literally more by the day.

00:17:34 SPEAKER_466: Just quickly paraphrase the more channeling through you.

00:17:39 SPEAKER_466: That's that's what I got.

00:17:42 SPEAKER_466: The the the bit that you said about the um the the the further you go down the the journey or whatever, the more you polarize or whatever you,

00:17:44 SPEAKER_466: the less you you need the intellect and the the kind of the logical side of it because the more you just kind of receive and accepts information that comes through you,

00:17:45 SPEAKER_466: and you obviously you need the logical side of it to kind of analyse it and put it in its right place and whatever else.

00:17:56 SPEAKER_466: But it's not.

00:18:14 SPEAKER_755: I I know now that it's not the source of the things that I think.

00:18:26 SPEAKER_755: The the is that I I receive information and I follow where it leads.

00:18:26 SPEAKER_755: I don't make it up.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_755: Does that make sense?

00:18:39 SPEAKER_562: Yes.

00:18:42 SPEAKER_562: Exactly.

00:18:43 SPEAKER_562: It makes a lot of sense.

00:18:43 SPEAKER_562: Hey, Eric, good to see you.

00:18:43 SPEAKER_562: Hey, how are you?

00:18:46 SPEAKER_562: Good.

00:18:49 SPEAKER_562: Hey, Fred, did you have Mercedes contact info by any chance?

00:18:51 SPEAKER_562: Ah, not explicitly, no. Oh no. Oh, okay.

00:18:51 SPEAKER_464: She was having trouble joining, and I figured someone should explain to her how to use the Jitsi app.

00:18:57 SPEAKER_464: But it's all good.

00:19:01 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:19:19 SPEAKER_463: Maybe on Monday we can explain it to her.

00:19:20 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:19:21 SPEAKER_463: Oh.

00:19:26 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_463: There was Eric.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_463: Um.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_463: Hey, I was gonna say.

00:19:28 SPEAKER_463: Go ahead.

00:19:29 SPEAKER_463: To look at like the logical side is like survival.

00:19:31 SPEAKER_463: It's like the baby or the young, little small child putting its hand on the stove and figuring out it's hot.

00:19:32 SPEAKER_463: So we're not gonna do that.

00:19:36 SPEAKER_463: So the logical side a lot of times, is just for our base survival in this illusory dimension.

00:19:42 SPEAKER_463: Hmm.

00:19:44 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

00:19:55 SPEAKER_463: Um.

00:19:55 SPEAKER_463: Says logic is useful for practical life, like that stoves are hot.

00:19:55 SPEAKER_463: Logic may, in some limited but fruitful ways, be likened to computation, a function of problem solving,

00:19:55 SPEAKER_463: a means by which the entity may analyse the information available to it and solve a problem or set of problems that may be in front of it.

00:20:00 SPEAKER_463: So the teaching is balanced.

00:20:06 SPEAKER_463: Logic helps the practical navigation, survival planning, organisation, and solving of immediate problems.

00:20:15 SPEAKER_463: The immediate limitation of logic works inside.

00:20:16 SPEAKER_463: Hey, Andre.

00:20:21 SPEAKER_463: Andre, is is there a reason why you skipped number one and two?

00:20:23 SPEAKER_463: Oh.

00:20:24 SPEAKER_463: They.

00:20:31 SPEAKER_463: Well, because they didn't.

00:20:31 SPEAKER_463: We're not actually adding anything.

00:20:33 SPEAKER_463: But ha, question.

00:20:35 SPEAKER_463: Does faith mean abandoning logic?

00:20:35 SPEAKER_463: It would be easy to interpret as an appeal to release logic.

00:20:37 SPEAKER_463: Faith is the doorway to the Creator.

00:20:41 SPEAKER_463: The third density entity behind the veil comes to the Creator not through a logical structure per se, but through the leap into midair, the opening of the door of faith.

00:20:44 SPEAKER_463: I guess it's like faith as the leap beyond the visible structure.

00:20:56 SPEAKER_463: Amen.

00:21:00 SPEAKER_463: I guess it was worth reading.

00:21:00 SPEAKER_463: Limitation of logic.

00:21:01 SPEAKER_463: It works inside separation.

00:21:02 SPEAKER_463: This functionality serves its purpose.

00:21:04 SPEAKER_463: It is, in short, useful to the entity, however it is clothed by and made of a realm of separation, a realm of illusion.

00:21:06 SPEAKER_463: The key point: logic can be useful inside the game, while still being unable to reveal the deeper reality behind the game.

00:21:10 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

00:21:21 SPEAKER_463: It's like fidgeting with the details without getting the wider perspective.

00:21:29 SPEAKER_463: Logic divides unity into parts.

00:21:30 SPEAKER_463: This is one of the most important metaphysical claims.

00:21:35 SPEAKER_463: It creates the separation by parsing out a unified and indivisible reality into seeming disconnected or relatively connected parts.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_463: That gives a good discussion point.

00:21:48 SPEAKER_463: Rational thought analyses by dividing, naming, comparing, measuring, and categorizing.

00:21:51 SPEAKER_463: Faith perceives from unity.

00:21:56 SPEAKER_463: Amen.

00:21:58 SPEAKER_463: Amen for sure.

00:21:58 SPEAKER_463: That's the whole thing.

00:21:59 SPEAKER_463: It's like because we're all one, you know.

00:22:00 SPEAKER_463: It's like that's just like that fundamental constant.

00:22:04 SPEAKER_463: Logic alone can keep the seeker attached to form.

00:22:07 SPEAKER_463: The logical mind ascribes to the passing the temporary images that it sees as having substance and solidity.

00:22:09 SPEAKER_463: Then it seeks performance inside impermanence.

00:22:18 SPEAKER_463: Seeks permanence inside impermanence.

00:22:20 SPEAKER_463: Oh man, this this is the that's that's the the foundation of suffering for the majority of people.

00:22:21 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, people seeking permanence inside impermanence strives forever to find lasting satisfaction, meaning freedom from pain and happiness, while being identified with the illusion.

00:22:32 SPEAKER_463: Oh man, oh so sad.

00:22:42 SPEAKER_463: There is what suffering enters the teaching.

00:22:44 SPEAKER_463: The problem is not thinking self.

00:22:52 SPEAKER_463: The problem is identification with the world of form as ultimate reality.

00:22:58 SPEAKER_463: That's you know, like putting your faith in you know a piece of grass.

00:23:05 SPEAKER_463: Is this?

00:23:16 SPEAKER_463: Is this all sounding like insanely more Buddhist than normal to anyone else?

00:23:17 SPEAKER_464: Maybe I'm not.

00:23:23 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:25 SPEAKER_464: I'm I'm hearing it.

00:23:25 SPEAKER_464: I'm hearing.

00:23:27 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of.

00:23:29 SPEAKER_464: But you know what?

00:23:31 SPEAKER_464: We're all one.

00:23:34 SPEAKER_464: Buddha had something.

00:23:35 SPEAKER_464: Who channeled this?

00:23:37 SPEAKER_464: Just to ask.

00:23:38 SPEAKER_464: Who channeled this?

00:23:39 SPEAKER_464: Good question.

00:23:41 SPEAKER_464: Let's see who it was.

00:23:42 SPEAKER_464: Gary, Gary channeling.

00:23:43 SPEAKER_464: So was he a Buddhist?

00:23:46 SPEAKER_464: I don't know.

00:23:50 SPEAKER_464: He Gary Gary.

00:23:52 SPEAKER_464: He from what I remember, he's like um, he says he doesn't even feel anything when he's channeling.

00:23:55 SPEAKER_464: So I don't know.

00:24:06 SPEAKER_464: Well, the whole idea is, if you understand that this is just an illusion, and we're all unified, then we can start opening our minds to, you know,

00:24:07 SPEAKER_464: working together and doing things together to relieve suffering instead of being stuck in this, you know, separate kind of a reality where we don't think of others and their suffering;

00:24:21 SPEAKER_755: we only think of our suffering.

00:24:35 SPEAKER_464: So it becomes kind of like a group problem-solving function, in a way.

00:24:38 SPEAKER_464: What about the suffering?

00:24:46 SPEAKER_464: No, no, relieving the suffering.

00:24:47 SPEAKER_464: Relieving the suffering.

00:24:49 SPEAKER_464: Yes, yes, yes.

00:24:50 SPEAKER_464: If you can, if you can look at things in unity, and yes, it's just an illusion.

00:24:54 SPEAKER_464: Yes, yeah, because you know what?

00:25:03 SPEAKER_464: It's kind of like we heal the outside by healing ourselves.

00:25:09 SPEAKER_463: You know what I mean?

00:25:15 SPEAKER_463: Because we set the standard.

00:25:20 SPEAKER_463: Because when we heal ourselves, we heal the One, and that is everyone.

00:25:24 SPEAKER_463: Well, it's also a perception.

00:25:29 SPEAKER_463: You know, it's like there really is no suffering.

00:25:34 SPEAKER_463: The only reason they're suffering is because we perceive it as suffering, right?

00:25:39 SPEAKER_464: And then you can ask, "Well, why are we perceiving it as suffering?"

00:25:45 SPEAKER_464: Well, I think that because it is.

00:25:50 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I think that it's basically that whole clinging.

00:25:53 SPEAKER_464: It's the clinging to the illusion.

00:25:58 SPEAKER_464: When yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:26:02 SPEAKER_464: And that's that's what causes the suffering.

00:26:05 SPEAKER_755: It is like not realizing that you are surfing on the ocean, and then trying to get to the crest of the previous wave that you were on,

00:26:08 SPEAKER_755: instead of standing up on your board and surfing forward.

00:26:24 SPEAKER_755: You know, a lot of times people are put in like physical pain, and that pain can be real intense and lasts for a little bit.

00:26:29 SPEAKER_755: But that's pain.

00:26:45 SPEAKER_755: But where the suffering comes in is when people keep dwelling on and going back to that pain, yes, and the fear that pain caused.

00:26:47 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, that's what I mean.

00:26:57 SPEAKER_755: The pain is over.

00:26:58 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, that's what the Buddha calls the second arrow to shoot yourself in the same place with the second arrow, and if people and if people were more unified and understood the illusion,

00:27:05 SPEAKER_755: then then we could help others kind of relieve the pain.

00:27:19 SPEAKER_464: You know, you know, talk people through it.

00:27:25 SPEAKER_464: You know, show love and kindness and compassion to where that kind of thinking can be, you know, stopped.

00:27:28 SPEAKER_464: That suffering thing.

00:27:45 SPEAKER_466: Yes, so it has to do.

00:27:49 SPEAKER_466: I would say not so much with stopping, as so much as redirecting one's attention to being in a space of gratitude for the creation about one.

00:28:02 SPEAKER_463: So it's standing up on the surfboard and seeing what's in front of you with love and gratitude, and hey, that the One, the Creator, is here, the Creator.

00:28:16 SPEAKER_464: All is well.

00:28:18 SPEAKER_464: All will be well.

00:28:20 SPEAKER_464: And just open, going, going into it with an open heart.

00:28:25 SPEAKER_464: But to get to that spot, a lot of times people have to feel loved, and really feeling that love starts with yourself.

00:28:38 SPEAKER_464: But it also can be helpful with others.

00:28:40 SPEAKER_464: Well, maybe feeling love, but I think that okay.

00:28:45 SPEAKER_464: Can I just quote Buddha himself?

00:28:48 SPEAKER_464: Go ahead.

00:28:50 SPEAKER_464: He said, "Love is suffering.

00:28:54 SPEAKER_464: So to live without suffering, don't love."

00:28:58 SPEAKER_464: Wow.

00:29:00 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:29:00 SPEAKER_464: I don't know.

00:29:02 SPEAKER_464: I wouldn't do.

00:29:03 SPEAKER_755: I wouldn't say that.

00:29:07 SPEAKER_755: Me neither.

00:29:08 SPEAKER_755: But he did.

00:29:09 SPEAKER_755: Yeah.

00:29:09 SPEAKER_755: Well, no one's perfect, man.

00:29:11 SPEAKER_755: And he was what, like three thousand years ago?

00:29:15 SPEAKER_755: Like you know, the creation has expanded much and become more complicated and refined since then.

00:29:26 SPEAKER_755: Well, we're taught from the Confederation that the original thought of the Creator that put this into existence, the creation into this illusion, was love.

00:29:39 SPEAKER_755: A love so great that it not only creates, it destroys.

00:29:42 SPEAKER_755: We don't really understand it, but I can get glimpses of it when people that have near-death experiences go and explain the intense love that they feel when they pass over and come back.

00:29:46 SPEAKER_755: So for me, what makes the most sense in getting a grip of the unity and the illusion is membrane theory, you know, which is basically the consolidation of the various string theories,

00:30:00 SPEAKER_755: and it is the idea that we are all one membrane folded across eleven dimensions, and that the lower three dimensions are where knots can form what we call matter, but it's all one membrane,

00:30:12 SPEAKER_464: and so, and it's oscillating, it's going back and forth, and so the creating and the destroying is part of that oscillation, and when we are speaking to someone other,

00:30:33 SPEAKER_755: we are actually just speaking to you know the membrane, when we are the membrane, it's just folded through several dimensions, and I don't know.

00:30:49 SPEAKER_755: That makes a lot of sense to me, but maybe it doesn't make sense to everybody.

00:30:59 SPEAKER_755: Well, well, the Confederation tells us time and time again that we don't come here to judge.

00:31:07 SPEAKER_755: We don't come here to do this and that.

00:31:12 SPEAKER_755: We come here to love.

00:31:16 SPEAKER_755: That is really the basis of the Wanderer.

00:31:18 SPEAKER_755: Hmm.

00:31:21 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:31:22 SPEAKER_755: So, how is that love expressed?

00:31:22 SPEAKER_755: Well, I think that the best way to start is with gratitude, because you know I've been in many, many times, many times where there was no human that loved me, you know,

00:31:25 SPEAKER_755: or entity on this planet that I could perceive necessarily.

00:31:37 SPEAKER_755: We love you, Dave.

00:31:41 SPEAKER_755: Oh, well, thank you.

00:31:43 SPEAKER_464: Well, thank you.

00:31:45 SPEAKER_464: But I mean, like you know, like, but but what helps?

00:31:46 SPEAKER_464: So you're expressing how did you come to love yourself?

00:31:49 SPEAKER_464: It's not just loving the self.

00:31:53 SPEAKER_464: I think that it has to do with entering a space of gratitude, because I think it's beyond the self, because I feel that even being identified with just the self,

00:31:55 SPEAKER_464: is kind of a small thing.

00:32:08 SPEAKER_991: You know.

00:32:10 SPEAKER_991: Whereas being identified with the whole of the creation, it just gives it, you know, it's such a bigger heart.

00:32:24 SPEAKER_991: There's so much more love in the heart of the Creator than in the self.

00:32:30 SPEAKER_991: We're told by the Confederation time and time again to first and foremost love ourselves.

00:32:37 SPEAKER_991: We actually have them telling us that we should be madly in love with ourselves, like the Creator is madly in love with us, that we should be our sweethearts, our sweethearts.

00:32:44 SPEAKER_991: This is what.

00:32:49 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, no, we.

00:32:50 SPEAKER_991: I agree.

00:32:51 SPEAKER_991: We have to be gentle and kind and loving with ourselves, just as we are with all of the creation.

00:32:52 SPEAKER_991: You know, we have to take care of ourselves, that we may take care of others.

00:32:52 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, that's the point.

00:33:01 SPEAKER_991: Logic alone can keep the seeker attached to form.

00:33:09 SPEAKER_991: The logic mind describes the passing of the temporary images that it sees as having substance and solidity.

00:33:10 SPEAKER_991: Then it seeks permanence inside impermanence, strives forever to find lasting satisfaction, meaning freedom from pain and happiness.

00:33:14 SPEAKER_991: Being while being identified with the illusion, that's like those people that try to find happiness through like fame or fortune.

00:33:21 SPEAKER_991: This is where suffering enters the teaching.

00:33:28 SPEAKER_991: The problem is not thinking itself; the problem is identification with the world of form as ultimate reality.

00:33:39 SPEAKER_991: Kuhl makes a useful distinction between ordinary problem-solving and spiritual ascent.

00:33:46 SPEAKER_991: Navigate the horizontal plane of existence, then contrast it with begin the ascent upwards upon the vertical plane.

00:33:50 SPEAKER_991: This is a strong discussion framework: horizontal plane, daily life, planning, survival, decisions, practical reasoning; vertical plane, awakening, surrender, unity, return to the Creator.

00:33:57 SPEAKER_991: Logic helps with the horizontal.

00:34:02 SPEAKER_991: Faith opens the vertical.

00:34:05 SPEAKER_991: The mature seeker still uses logic, but no longer worships it.

00:34:06 SPEAKER_991: Kuo says the spiritual seeker gradually relies less on logic as the only tool.

00:34:08 SPEAKER_991: Gradually and increasingly relies less upon the logical mind as its sole tool for understanding its environment.

00:34:12 SPEAKER_991: The word "soul" matters.

00:34:17 SPEAKER_991: Logic stays in the toolkit, but it stops being the throne.

00:34:23 SPEAKER_991: Kuo.

00:34:24 SPEAKER_991: Who also says the relationship evolves an ever-evolving, shifting and fluid dynamic.

00:34:28 SPEAKER_991: This is not a simple binary of logic bad, faith good.

00:34:28 SPEAKER_991: It is a living relationship.

00:34:33 SPEAKER_991: The awakened person knows when to use the rational mind, the practical balancing point.

00:34:37 SPEAKER_991: The entity knows when and where and how to apply that mind for its intended function, but with one major condition: without identification with the world, it creates a form and separateness and otherness.

00:34:40 SPEAKER_991: That means the mind can be used cleanly, without letting its divisions become ultimate truths.

00:34:49 SPEAKER_991: The deeper understanding comes from the heart of self, who shifts the centre of knowing from the analytical mind to the inner self.

00:35:03 SPEAKER_991: The entity increasingly looks within the heart of self for the true or truer understanding of the moment.

00:35:14 SPEAKER_991: This line is probably the best summary quote for the spiritual teaching.

00:35:22 SPEAKER_991: Really, okay.

00:35:29 SPEAKER_991: The entity increasingly looks within the heart of self for the true or truer understanding of the moment.

00:35:37 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_991: Listen within.

00:35:47 SPEAKER_991: Definitely, I agree.

00:35:49 SPEAKER_991: Well, and and it's always the goal of finding the love in the moment.

00:35:51 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes.

00:35:55 SPEAKER_991: So when any kind of consideration mentions the moment, I would always add finding the love in the moment.

00:35:56 SPEAKER_991: Exactly.

00:36:04 SPEAKER_991: The true self is opened through surrender, not analysis.

00:36:05 SPEAKER_991: Who says the innermost holy place is accessed through surrender?

00:36:12 SPEAKER_464: One must die to the self, releasing their attachment to the illusion and their identification with form, surrendering in devotion fully to the Creator.

00:36:18 SPEAKER_464: This is the heart of the passage.

00:36:30 SPEAKER_991: Faith involves surrendering the separate self, so the deeper self can be known.

00:36:33 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, the deeper self.

00:36:38 SPEAKER_991: Fully to the Creator.

00:36:43 SPEAKER_991: Yes, fully.

00:36:44 SPEAKER_991: Let the Creator become you, and you become the Creator.

00:36:50 SPEAKER_991: Faith does not discard through thought entirely.

00:36:54 SPEAKER_991: This is the key corrective against misunderstanding.

00:37:00 SPEAKER_991: This is not to say that the entity of faith discards this tool entirely.

00:37:05 SPEAKER_991: Some degree of problem solving and thinking may be helpful.

00:37:08 SPEAKER_991: The tool becomes subordinate to the expanded awareness of the self.

00:37:15 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, right.

00:37:15 SPEAKER_991: That's the key.

00:37:17 SPEAKER_991: Subordinate.

00:37:18 SPEAKER_991: You got it.

00:37:20 SPEAKER_464: You got logic, and you got faith, and you eventually want your logic to be subordinate to your faith.

00:37:33 SPEAKER_464: Right.

00:37:34 SPEAKER_991: Well, like you know, this is going with that analogy I was talking about earlier with theoretical physics.

00:37:41 SPEAKER_991: One of the fundamental aspects is the understanding that there is non-duality.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_991: That means there is no separation between mind and body.

00:37:52 SPEAKER_991: Everything is mind, and the physical form is simply firmer thoughts.

00:37:55 SPEAKER_991: So the logic is kind of like invented, illusory rules.

00:38:00 SPEAKER_991: Like we have rules in the game of Go, but... and so if you follow that logic, then that's something.

00:38:09 SPEAKER_991: But because it's all mind, it's all malleable.

00:38:12 SPEAKER_991: Go ahead.

00:38:13 SPEAKER_991: I was just going to say, and to take that kind of belief, what you just said, there is no duality, takes a leap of faith in the illusion.

00:38:29 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:38:29 SPEAKER_991: All right, the awakening.

00:38:34 SPEAKER_991: All right.

00:38:34 SPEAKER_991: The awakened self plays a different game.

00:38:35 SPEAKER_991: Kula says the awakened person lives by different values.

00:38:40 SPEAKER_991: The awakening and the awakened self is playing a different game entirely.

00:38:46 SPEAKER_991: This different game is marked by vulnerability, acceptance, and seeing all as the Creator.

00:38:54 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:39:01 SPEAKER_991: It seeks to bring both the light and the dark into the heart of acceptance.

00:39:01 SPEAKER_991: Uh huh.

00:39:09 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

00:39:10 SPEAKER_991: All is the Creator, knowing itself.

00:39:12 SPEAKER_991: That deep and profound love and respect for everything—that is where true joy resides.

00:39:14 SPEAKER_991: This is the strong spiritual discussion point because it moves beyond merely believing into the transformed way of seeing, knowing, doing, thinking, loving, and being.

00:39:20 SPEAKER_991: Faith releases control and attachment to the outcome.

00:39:32 SPEAKER_991: The logic-bound mind tries to sort, order, control, and manipulate.

00:39:36 SPEAKER_991: That logical-bound mind would attempt to sort and order, control, or manipulate the situation.

00:39:47 SPEAKER_991: No, that's true.

00:39:49 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, true.

00:39:50 SPEAKER_991: It's just, it just seems so absurd.

00:39:53 SPEAKER_991: It's absurd to you because of the path you're on.

00:39:56 SPEAKER_991: Oh, okay.

00:39:57 SPEAKER_991: By contrast, your path... but the path you're on would be absurd to most people.

00:40:05 SPEAKER_991: Maybe, maybe, but for sure, the entity of faith may release all resistance to the moment, and all attachment to the outcome.

00:40:16 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:40:18 SPEAKER_991: Yes, that is the good life.

00:40:22 SPEAKER_991: That is totally the good life.

00:40:23 SPEAKER_991: You know, just live it in the moment and releasing all attachment to outcome because you know all is God.

00:40:30 SPEAKER_991: Hey.

00:40:31 SPEAKER_991: God's plan is greater than mine.

00:40:33 SPEAKER_991: So, Amen.

00:40:34 SPEAKER_991: Let's see what God hasn't spoken.

00:40:38 SPEAKER_991: And that's... and that's real faith.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_991: Thank you.

00:40:43 SPEAKER_991: This is very relevant for real-world discernment.

00:40:46 SPEAKER_991: Faith does not mean passivity; it means action without fear, grasping, or control addiction.

00:40:50 SPEAKER_991: Oh man.

00:40:51 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:40:51 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, because that's so pain.

00:40:54 SPEAKER_991: That's such pain.

00:40:54 SPEAKER_991: The fear and the grasping and the control addiction.

00:40:57 SPEAKER_991: Oh man, that's so small.

00:41:00 SPEAKER_991: So the action without fear.

00:41:01 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, action with love.

00:41:03 SPEAKER_991: You know, with giving and with service.

00:41:05 SPEAKER_991: That's how I would say.

00:41:07 SPEAKER_991: Faith.

00:41:08 SPEAKER_991: Well, you can, you can say a lot of humanity is based on action, based on fear.

00:41:23 SPEAKER_991: Unfortunately, and it is so sad, and you know, God.

00:41:28 SPEAKER_991: It is so sad, and you know, gotta pray for them.

00:41:32 SPEAKER_991: Pray for them that they may find peace and love and guidance, and fulfilment and gratitude, that they may be uplifted in wholeness and joy.

00:41:42 SPEAKER_991: Faith is presented as higher intelligence, not stupidity.

00:41:47 SPEAKER_991: Who directly addresses the worry that faith may look like turning off intelligence?

00:41:50 SPEAKER_991: It may seem to look upon the moment with faithful eyes is to become dumb, to turn off the intelligence.

00:41:57 SPEAKER_991: Kula reverses the idea.

00:41:58 SPEAKER_991: It is only through faith that truth may flow into and through the self.

00:42:04 SPEAKER_991: Exactly, and even stronger, it is only through faith that one may make contact with what is actually happening at any given moment.

00:42:18 SPEAKER_991: This is a powerful thesis.

00:42:19 SPEAKER_991: Rational analysis studies appearance.

00:42:22 SPEAKER_991: Faith contacts reality.

00:42:23 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:42:23 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, you know, and it's like being connected by faith to the higher intelligence and the intelligence infinity, and feeling the worthiness.

00:42:30 SPEAKER_991: You know, you just have like you know fiber optic connection to what is and what will be, and like everything is laid out for you, and it just makes life so much easier.

00:42:47 SPEAKER_991: Plato's cave image, shadows versus lights, or as Kula uses a cave-like metaphor, it... cave-like metaphor.

00:42:54 SPEAKER_991: It is clearer to see and to analyse and study the shadows shaking upon the surface, or to step out from the cave and see the light source, which was creating their shadows.

00:42:54 SPEAKER_991: This gives a very clear interpretation.

00:43:07 SPEAKER_991: Logic can analyse the shadows accurately, but faith turns towards the light and makes the shadows possible.

00:43:09 SPEAKER_991: I think there's another interpretation here that GPT didn't find, which...

00:43:21 SPEAKER_991: Everything is made of the Creator, including the shadows.

00:43:28 SPEAKER_991: You know, go to number seventeen.

00:43:30 SPEAKER_991: Seventeen.

00:43:33 SPEAKER_991: The light source is within the self.

00:43:35 SPEAKER_991: Yes, but hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:43:37 SPEAKER_991: I want to... because this is something that a catalyst of the Pope Leo.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_991: You know, he was dwelling on the shadows earlier this morning, unfortunately.

00:43:44 SPEAKER_991: But really, you know, his duty as a shepherd of Catholicism is... to look and stand towards the light.

00:43:56 SPEAKER_991: Anyhow, the light source is within the self who identifies the light source directly.

00:44:02 SPEAKER_991: That light source is within the self and is ultimately the self.

00:44:11 SPEAKER_991: This connects with the law.

00:44:18 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, think about that.

00:44:23 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, the self.

00:44:28 SPEAKER_991: Think about what you just said about the Pope and think about that since she just read.

00:44:31 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, yes, and you know he... he was dividing himself against other selves, and saying that those other selves were less than the self.

00:44:32 SPEAKER_991: And you know that was sad.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_991: It was sad to see.

00:44:44 SPEAKER_991: Well, that's that's a major theme in Christianity: we're right and you're wrong, and we have many enemies because of the devil.

00:44:47 SPEAKER_991: Right.

00:44:50 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

00:44:57 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

00:44:57 SPEAKER_991: So... it's unfortunate.

00:44:58 SPEAKER_991: It was...

00:44:58 SPEAKER_991: It was a dehumanizing or a deifying.

00:44:58 SPEAKER_991: It's... it's a separation.

00:44:59 SPEAKER_991: It's more a separation propaganda, really.

00:45:03 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

00:45:04 SPEAKER_991: Exactly.

00:45:06 SPEAKER_991: And so you know.

00:45:06 SPEAKER_991: So I made several prayers.

00:45:08 SPEAKER_991: You know that may he see that the Creator is behind all, and that the Creator is supreme.

00:45:10 SPEAKER_991: That there is no other, and that may don't be the Christ within even the least.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, don't get Ed started on Christianity and its founding.

00:45:21 SPEAKER_991: Faith ends suffering by changing identity.

00:45:23 SPEAKER_991: Cool clarifies that faith does not make the body invincible.

00:45:25 SPEAKER_991: This is not to say that they are impervious to harm or bodily destruction, but it does change his relationship to suffering.

00:45:28 SPEAKER_991: Is a relationship to suffering.

00:45:33 SPEAKER_991: They have found true end to suffering.

00:45:35 SPEAKER_991: The reason is that the self is no longer identified merely with the mortal form.

00:45:39 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:45:57 SPEAKER_991: The final summary line.

00:45:58 SPEAKER_991: The passage concludes with a clean thesis.

00:45:59 SPEAKER_991: To see with the eyes of faith is to remove the veils from the eyes.

00:46:07 SPEAKER_991: This that is likely the best closing quote from the for the video discussion.

00:46:13 SPEAKER_991: To see with the eyes of faith is to remove the veils from the eyes.

00:46:17 SPEAKER_991: Best short quote.

00:46:21 SPEAKER_991: Best short.

00:46:22 SPEAKER_991: Whole quotes.

00:46:22 SPEAKER_991: Logic is a function of problem solving.

00:46:24 SPEAKER_991: It is, in short, useful to the entity.

00:46:25 SPEAKER_991: The logical mind remains bound within a world of separation.

00:46:28 SPEAKER_991: The entity increasingly looks within the heart of self.

00:46:32 SPEAKER_991: This is not to say the entity affades the scarves as a tool entirely.

00:46:35 SPEAKER_991: The tool becomes subordinate to the expanded awareness of the self.

00:46:40 SPEAKER_991: The awakening and awakened self is playing a different game entirely.

00:46:45 SPEAKER_991: Release all resistance to the moment and all attachment to the outcome.

00:46:48 SPEAKER_991: It is only through faith that truth may flow in and through the self.

00:46:53 SPEAKER_464: To see... the eyes of faith is to remove the veils from the eyes.

00:47:02 SPEAKER_464: There was one thing I wanted to see.

00:47:10 SPEAKER_991: Be one with the true will, the will of the Creator.

00:47:17 SPEAKER_991: Yes, surrender the personal will.

00:47:30 SPEAKER_991: Of resistance and self-seeking, that this separation-bound will may be aligned, infused, and be one with the true will—the will of the Creator.

00:47:34 SPEAKER_991: Oh, I think there must be more to this.

00:47:49 SPEAKER_991: That is the true nature of the self, the ground of being.

00:47:54 SPEAKER_991: That is not one of logic, nor the key of the open.

00:48:00 SPEAKER_991: To access what, from the standpoint of the separation-bound self, is the innermost holy sanctum, one must die to the self, releasing their attachment to the illusion.

00:48:04 SPEAKER_991: And their identification with form, surrendering in devotion fully to the Creator.

00:48:18 SPEAKER_991: Surrender that personal will of resistance and self-seeking, that this separation-bound will may be aligned and fused and be one with the one true will—the will of the Creator.

00:48:21 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

00:48:35 SPEAKER_991: Times of a million, you know, or to infinity.

00:48:35 SPEAKER_991: And to do that takes a major leap of faith.

00:48:39 SPEAKER_991: Walking off in the midair.

00:48:42 SPEAKER_991: Oh yeah.

00:48:44 SPEAKER_991: Well, you know that's how I feel every day.

00:48:46 SPEAKER_991: Ah, twenty twenty-six.

00:48:49 SPEAKER_991: Oh, what was it?

00:48:52 SPEAKER_991: March.

00:48:54 SPEAKER_991: That's the third month.

00:48:55 SPEAKER_991: What?

00:48:56 SPEAKER_991: March.

00:48:57 SPEAKER_991: Ah, seventeen.

00:48:58 SPEAKER_991: Deep.

00:48:58 SPEAKER_991: Well, sometimes I'm reminded of my humanity.

00:48:59 SPEAKER_991: All right, so I guess we can move on.

00:49:00 SPEAKER_991: Yes, thank you, cool.

00:49:02 SPEAKER_991: This query I've been trying to follow.

00:49:05 SPEAKER_991: At this point, Austin is channeling.

00:49:07 SPEAKER_991: Are you sure?

00:49:09 SPEAKER_991: So this is from Homecoming?

00:49:11 SPEAKER_991: Is that right?

00:49:12 SPEAKER_991: No, it's still Gary channeling.

00:49:14 SPEAKER_991: It's Austin asking the question.

00:49:15 SPEAKER_991: It says Austin.

00:49:16 SPEAKER_991: I don't know what you're reading.

00:49:17 SPEAKER_991: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Austin is the one talking.

00:49:19 SPEAKER_991: Are you reading?

00:49:22 SPEAKER_991: Are you ready?

00:49:27 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

00:49:28 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

00:49:29 SPEAKER_991: Austin.

00:49:30 SPEAKER_991: Oh, he's the one asking the question.

00:49:31 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, yes.

00:49:31 SPEAKER_991: Gary's channeling.

00:49:33 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, yeah.

00:49:34 SPEAKER_991: Remember?

00:49:35 SPEAKER_991: Remember when there was a brief time where it was like, "Oh, the instrument got off track."

00:49:36 SPEAKER_991: I remember Gary was saying that.

00:49:36 SPEAKER_991: He refrains from alcohol the night before channeling, but that's it.

00:49:43 SPEAKER_991: So he does not refrain from cannabis, and well, maybe he got a little off track because I don't know.

00:49:49 SPEAKER_991: Well, it doesn't matter.

00:49:55 SPEAKER_991: He's a great channeling case.

00:49:57 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, thank you.

00:50:00 SPEAKER_991: Cool.

00:50:00 SPEAKER_991: This query I've been trying to form as you've been talking, so I apologize if it's not fully formed.

00:50:01 SPEAKER_991: But within that response, you recognize faith with terms such as formless, absent of resistance, totally free, unthinking.

00:50:07 SPEAKER_991: You said that somebody in faith is relieved from the constraints and strictures of reality, and through faith one can come into contact with what is actually happening.

00:50:12 SPEAKER_991: And as you were talking, I have a question in my mind that I've had for a long time, and that is that those of Ra identified a congruency between faith and intelligent infinity,

00:50:28 SPEAKER_464: and that's always kind of baffled me.

00:50:45 SPEAKER_464: To claim that those terms are kind of referring to the same thing.

00:50:51 SPEAKER_464: Ra says that one is a spiritual term, the other more acceptable perhaps to the conceptual framework distortions of those who seek with measure and pen.

00:51:02 SPEAKER_464: So I'm wondering if the reason that faith and intelligent infinity are, according to Ra, referring to the same concept,

00:51:13 SPEAKER_464: is relating to the definition of intelligent infinity as the potential aspect of unity that has no form, has no bounds, has no manifestation.

00:51:29 SPEAKER_464: That is pure, formless, intelligent infinity, and pure potential.

00:51:34 SPEAKER_464: That rings to me as similar in terms as you described faith without bounds.

00:51:44 SPEAKER_464: So I think my question is simply: is that this is this the right direction of why these two terms are the same?

00:51:51 SPEAKER_464: And can you elaborate any more on the relationship between the terms faith and intelligent infinity?

00:51:54 SPEAKER_464: Go ahead.

00:51:59 SPEAKER_464: We are those of Ra, and give thanks for this question.

00:52:05 SPEAKER_464: And we pause again as this instrument is somewhat uncharacteristically struggling on this day.

00:52:16 SPEAKER_464: We can indeed affirm, as you say, a right direction in your contemplation in seeking to understand, as it were, the congruency between these two terms.

00:52:30 SPEAKER_464: As you know, our brother, there are no words or concepts or physics for the infinite, but the Infinite, but there are multiple inroads for the thinking mind too.

00:52:40 SPEAKER_464: Shall we say, reach and seek and contemplate, and this we find is one such helpful inquiry.

00:53:00 SPEAKER_464: For often, your peoples have associated this word faith has belief without evidence, has the doctrine and the dogma which an ecclesiastical class expects the laity to accept uncritically, and faith then becomes a creed,

00:53:07 SPEAKER_464: and that in your own lexicon is indeed one variation in the meaning of that term.

00:53:14 SPEAKER_464: But faith, as we intend it, is not a belief in a set of ideas.

00:53:24 SPEAKER_464: Faith is not even necessarily belief of or in that known to you as the Law of One text.

00:53:27 SPEAKER_464: Instead, faith is that which connects you.

00:53:38 SPEAKER_464: You, you being this illusory separate entity of mind, body, and spirit, to your true nature in and has the One.

00:53:52 SPEAKER_464: This faith, as we have conveyed before, expresses itself in the being, in the awareness, and in the incontrovertible surety that all is well, whether it be life or death, good times or difficult times.

00:54:04 SPEAKER_464: It is not that one believes all is well as a principle or precept, through that can indeed be a power.

00:54:08 SPEAKER_464: Can indeed be a powerful reprogramming affirmation or mantra.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_464: Rather, it is that faith clarifies any seeming landscape to reveal that all is indeed well against the backdrop of infinity.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_464: For nothing is ever lost.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_464: Nothing was ever created.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_464: Therefore, nothing can ever be destroyed.

00:54:27 SPEAKER_464: Oh, that's a comforting thought.

00:54:43 SPEAKER_464: There is only, there is only ever eternity and infinity, and this sense, as it manifests within the third density of all as well, is thanks to shall we say, plugging back into the Creator.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_464: Limited, though this figure of speech is, the entity has sourced its.

00:54:52 SPEAKER_464: We correct this instrument.

00:54:53 SPEAKER_464: The entity has pulled back its identification from form and rediscovered and remembrance that which it had never lost and never actually forgotten, that being its source as the One Creator.

00:55:06 SPEAKER_464: And those Ra in their desire to speak with the utmost precision available to them, using the limited and clumsy tools of your language,

00:55:19 SPEAKER_464: invoke this term of intelligent infinity to point to that realm which is one and the same of fate.

00:55:27 SPEAKER_464: The same of faith in the way that we describe it.

00:55:34 SPEAKER_464: We may use synonyms and related concepts to speak to that which is beyond concept and words, but this intelligent infinity is, or may be likened to, primordial awareness itself.

00:55:44 SPEAKER_464: In the emotionally charged and highly distorted, more common term of your culture, it may be called God.

00:55:52 SPEAKER_464: This awareness is aware, and it is infused with, to resort to your terms, sentience.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_464: You may say, though we find these terms wholly inadequate to the task, which is part of the challenge of attempting to talk about that which is ultimately ineffable.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_464: For any concept or section of language that we may work with was built of, and from, and for, and four, an illusory reality of space and time,

00:56:30 SPEAKER_464: where seemingly independent or minimally related parts relate to one another in contrast and in comparison and in relationship.

00:56:41 SPEAKER_464: But there is no relationship in in in infinity.

00:56:44 SPEAKER_464: There is no subject to me stand outside and make an object of infinity.

00:56:50 SPEAKER_464: The beauty of the creation and the game of mineness is that the Creator.

00:56:57 SPEAKER_464: You may seem to have this experience, may seem to look back upon yourself as infinity, identified with a particular focal point of form, and this relate to and behold and glory in infinity,

00:57:10 SPEAKER_464: and in this glory radiate a sense of beauty and awe and thanksgiving.

00:57:15 SPEAKER_464: In this loving dance, this sexual fusion of the one and the many, the many and the one, its non-dual terms: the one is the many, and the many the one.

00:57:30 SPEAKER_464: As it is said in your Eastern cultures, Nirvana and Samsara are one.

00:57:36 SPEAKER_464: But in so far as any point of this infinite awareness is seemingly momentarily forgetting itself and identifying with form, there is then there is relationship with infinity, and such is.

00:57:48 SPEAKER_464: The magic of this situation that the entity can even find a label to point to ultimate reality, to point to source such as intelligent infinity.

00:58:04 SPEAKER_464: Intelligent infinity has a concept seems to sit at a distance from the entity and an abstraction has an object that is elsewhere.

00:58:13 SPEAKER_464: This is a misunderstanding.

00:58:14 SPEAKER_464: This also speaks to why understanding itself is nigh impossible using solely the intellectual mind.

00:58:22 SPEAKER_464: Faith is often taken to be, in the sense that we intend, a state of being, and it is all these things.

00:58:33 SPEAKER_464: Intelligent infinity is your alive beingness right now.

00:58:36 SPEAKER_464: It is that which is reading these words.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_464: It is that which is perceiving the senses of the body.

00:58:45 SPEAKER_464: It is that which is the background to your entire existence, and and every point of phenomena, and experience, and thought, and sensation, and misery, and bliss within it.

00:58:57 SPEAKER_464: It has been your background condition, condition, and true nature all along.

00:59:03 SPEAKER_464: Any experience that you have had in time will end because that which begins in time has an end in time, and meanwhile.

00:59:20 SPEAKER_464: And already, you have been nothing other than the Creator.

00:59:29 SPEAKER_464: Intelligent Infinity has been the ground of your very own being, the awareness that is already right now in operation.

00:59:31 SPEAKER_464: Shall we say?

00:59:59 SPEAKER_991: And this can only be approached and merged into through this faculty of faith, which becomes one and the same as Intelligent Infinity, as we have described in our previous answer,

01:00:15 SPEAKER_991: is only as the entity releases its grip upon the mortal self and its attachments and aversions and way of seeing itself in the world, and the process of dying to the self,

01:00:22 SPEAKER_991: that the self may be, from the standpoint of the illusion, reborn to infinite being, which it already is.

01:00:30 SPEAKER_991: You may see this travel, shall we say, from separation into unity, through this invisible bridge of faith, which, in its way,

01:00:46 SPEAKER_991: abandons the intellectual mind and the inward journey and leaps into midair into that realm or realmless realm of the all within, which, as we have described, and as you were questioning, there is no structure,

01:00:55 SPEAKER_991: there is nothing to hold on to, there is no past or future. self or other, subject or object, here or there.

01:01:01 SPEAKER_991: There is only silence and stillness, which moves beyond all thought, all action, all word, all vibration.

01:01:13 SPEAKER_991: With gratitude to the questioner for these very important questions, we would wrap up this contact and transfer now back to Austin.

01:01:13 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:01:16 SPEAKER_991: Well, that is really heavy.

01:01:16 SPEAKER_991: Heavy.

01:01:16 SPEAKER_991: Oh.

01:01:18 SPEAKER_991: I thought that was lighted, uplifting.

01:01:18 SPEAKER_991: But all right.

01:01:18 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_991: Oh yeah.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_991: No, it's heavy.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_991: Deep.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_991: Conceptually.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:01:21 SPEAKER_991: Really?

01:01:21 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

01:01:21 SPEAKER_991: Deep.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_991: Heavy.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_991: Good.

01:01:23 SPEAKER_991: All right.

01:01:24 SPEAKER_991: Likewise.

01:01:24 SPEAKER_991: Four.

01:01:24 SPEAKER_991: It's complex.

01:01:26 SPEAKER_991: What do you guys think?

01:01:27 SPEAKER_991: Anybody wanted to chip in?

01:01:30 SPEAKER_991: Or we can go to the breakdown.

01:01:31 SPEAKER_991: Breakdown.

01:01:31 SPEAKER_991: Core theme.

01:01:37 SPEAKER_991: Cool explains why faith and intelligent infinity point towards the same reality.

01:01:43 SPEAKER_991: Faith is being defined as far more than belief.

01:01:55 SPEAKER_991: It is a living connection between the apparent separate self and the true nature of the self as the one creator.

01:01:57 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

01:01:57 SPEAKER_991: The question.

01:01:58 SPEAKER_991: Oh man, the question is why are faith and intelligent infinity the same?

01:02:02 SPEAKER_991: The questioner asks, "Okay, can you elaborate?

01:02:05 SPEAKER_991: Yada yada.

01:02:05 SPEAKER_991: The infinite cannot be captured by language.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_991: There are no words or concepts or physics for the infinite.

01:02:14 SPEAKER_991: No, I mean like like I said, membrane theory kind of points to it.

01:02:19 SPEAKER_991: But yeah, we have words that point to it.

01:02:23 SPEAKER_991: This is the interpretive key: faith and intelligent infinity." are both terms that point beyond the reach of conceptual thought.

01:02:34 SPEAKER_991: There are multiple inroads for the thinking mind to reach and seek and contemplate.

01:02:38 SPEAKER_991: So words still serve a purpose.

01:02:43 SPEAKER_991: They are pointers, doorways, or inroads rather than final definitions.

01:02:46 SPEAKER_991: Faith is commonly misunderstood as belief without evidence.

01:02:49 SPEAKER_991: Yes, yes, the doctrine and the dogma.

01:02:52 SPEAKER_991: Faith is not merely belief in ideas.

01:02:54 SPEAKER_991: Faith, as we. intend it, is not a belief in a set of ideas.

01:02:58 SPEAKER_991: Faith is not even necessarily belief of or in the one you know as the Law of One text.

01:03:05 SPEAKER_991: Faith is that which connects you to your true nature in and as the One.

01:03:12 SPEAKER_991: That is probably the most important line in the whole passage.

01:03:15 SPEAKER_991: Faith is the bridge between the illusory self and the true self, as the One Creator.

01:03:22 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

01:03:22 SPEAKER_991: Faith expresses itself as the surety that all is well, the uncontroversible, incontrovertible surety that all is well, and this holds across all conditions, whether it be life or death, good times or difficult times.

01:03:44 SPEAKER_991: So faith is not just optimism; it is a deep, stable knowing grounded in infinity.

01:03:57 SPEAKER_991: Amen.

01:03:57 SPEAKER_464: All is well is more than an affirmation.

01:04:00 SPEAKER_464: Koo distinguishes belief from. direct spiritual knowing.

01:04:03 SPEAKER_464: It is not that one believes all is well as a principle or precept.

01:04:14 SPEAKER_464: Instead, faith clarifies any seeming landscape to reveal that all is indeed well.

01:04:21 SPEAKER_464: Against the backdrop of fear, this is a subtle but important distinction.

01:04:27 SPEAKER_466: The phrase "all is well" can begin as a mantra, but mature faith sees it as reality.

01:04:33 SPEAKER_466: Nothing is ultimately lost.

01:04:34 SPEAKER_466: This this reminds me of the "fake it till you make it."

01:04:39 SPEAKER_466: Cool explains what all is well.

01:04:40 SPEAKER_466: Nothing is ever lost.

01:04:41 SPEAKER_466: This the metaphysical foundation.

01:04:47 SPEAKER_466: Nothing was ever created, therefore nothing can ever be destroyed.

01:04:49 SPEAKER_466: You know, yeah.

01:04:49 SPEAKER_463: I wanted to expand on this a little bit because that's what blew my mind more than anything else in this in this section.

01:05:01 SPEAKER_463: No, well, what this this really reminds me was ever created.

01:05:05 SPEAKER_463: Nothing was ever created. and therefore nothing can be destroyed.

01:05:09 SPEAKER_995: Yeah, it's kind of like if if we go back to what I was talking about with the theoretical physics and string theory and the membranes.

01:05:22 SPEAKER_995: Basically, everything is pre-existent.

01:05:22 SPEAKER_995: Everything already happened.

01:05:23 SPEAKER_995: Everything what?

01:05:24 SPEAKER_995: Everything is already pre-existent.

01:05:25 SPEAKER_995: So it's kind of like the mathematical matrices of infinity have. already been all propagated, and we are living through a simulation of time, as we are doing a graph walk through a database of matrices.

01:05:41 SPEAKER_307: But if nothing, but if nothing was ever created, how can those conditions you've just described exist?

01:05:50 SPEAKER_307: Because they're part of the infinity.

01:05:54 SPEAKER_307: Not a good answer.

01:05:54 SPEAKER_307: Well, it's it's a it's a swing.

01:05:57 SPEAKER_307: Well, thank you.

01:05:57 SPEAKER_307: Okay, so we're all inside the Creator's dream, right?

01:06:00 SPEAKER_307: We're all just dream people inside his dream, and the dream is just the simulation that runs before the big bang.

01:06:12 SPEAKER_307: So he knows that when it does happen, and things are created, and things are in real. life, in existence.

01:06:22 SPEAKER_307: He knows exactly how it's going to pan out before it even starts.

01:06:29 SPEAKER_307: Well, that basically, I don't know how I see it.

01:06:33 SPEAKER_307: I see it a little bit differently.

01:06:38 SPEAKER_307: And I mean, there's different ways of how I see it.

01:06:44 SPEAKER_307: Is okay.

01:06:47 SPEAKER_307: Like, do you guys know string theory?

01:06:49 SPEAKER_307: No. Well, it's basically it's a set of.

01:06:53 SPEAKER_307: String theory is rubbish.

01:06:54 SPEAKER_307: Throw it to bed.

01:06:55 SPEAKER_307: Throw in the bin.

01:06:57 SPEAKER_307: No, no, it's not gravity.

01:06:58 SPEAKER_307: Kicked his ass all over the place.

01:07:01 SPEAKER_307: No worth talking about.

01:07:04 SPEAKER_307: Seriously, go do some reading.

01:07:08 SPEAKER_307: Well, do you know membrane theory?

01:07:11 SPEAKER_307: Anyways, so if you don't, don't read string theory.

01:07:16 SPEAKER_307: That's what I'm saying.

01:07:19 SPEAKER_307: Don't bother reading string theory.

01:07:20 SPEAKER_307: Read some of the other competing and far more complete theories that are a complete waste of time and money.

01:07:24 SPEAKER_307: Okay.

01:07:38 SPEAKER_307: Well, anyways, I like I like string and membrane theory. and the reason is because it explains or it allows for everything, and if you think about it, as you know,

01:07:44 SPEAKER_307: they say you know here nothing was ever created, therefore nothing can ever be destroyed, and I think that that's kind of like a relative concept,

01:07:58 SPEAKER_307: and it's just kind of like if you think about infinity, and infinity is growing all the time by exploring new avenues, and so all of math has been created, pre-created,

01:08:10 SPEAKER_307: and so all this this huge database already exists of all of infinite possibility, and then what's happening is that each of us individually is has an entity has a point in time that is do.

01:08:22 SPEAKER_307: Time that is doing a walk through this possibility, and then each of us is infinite,

01:08:40 SPEAKER_307: and we interact with an infinite version of each of us that is reflective of the part of the graph that we are walking through.

01:08:48 SPEAKER_307: If that makes any sense, but that that's how it makes yeah, that that does make sense.

01:09:01 SPEAKER_307: This this is related to string theory.

01:09:07 SPEAKER_307: Okay.

01:09:12 SPEAKER_307: Well.

01:09:13 SPEAKER_307: All right.

01:09:13 SPEAKER_307: Anyways, that the the the graph walk is actually how modern LLMs or large language models are structured.

01:09:14 SPEAKER_307: They are actually performing a graph walk through a database, and that just seems like such a great analogy of how we are experiencing life by doing a graph walk through.

01:09:23 SPEAKER_307: Half walk through infinite infinity.

01:09:33 SPEAKER_307: You know, it's just a microcosm version of our life through intelligent.

01:09:35 SPEAKER_307: You said infinite eternity.

01:09:40 SPEAKER_307: You mean intelligent infinity?

01:09:41 SPEAKER_307: Well, yeah.

01:09:44 SPEAKER_307: They they said infinity and eternity.

01:09:45 SPEAKER_307: Here, if if we look back at the text, all right, because it's kind of the same word.

01:09:48 SPEAKER_307: I yeah.

01:09:53 SPEAKER_307: What do I know?

01:09:54 SPEAKER_307: There is only ever eternity and infinity, and in that sense, as it manifests within the third density of all as well, plugging back into the Creator, limited through this figure of speech,

01:09:57 SPEAKER_307: the entity has sourced it.

01:10:11 SPEAKER_307: We correct the sense: from the entity has pulled back its identification from form and rediscovered, remembered that which it has never lost and never actually forgotten. being the source as the One Creator.

01:10:13 SPEAKER_307: Yes, so you are the database.

01:10:26 SPEAKER_307: You're not just walking through it; you are it.

01:10:29 SPEAKER_307: All right.

01:10:32 SPEAKER_307: Faith is remembering the source.

01:10:33 SPEAKER_307: Koo describes faith as a shift in identity.

01:10:35 SPEAKER_307: The entity has pulled back its identification from form and then rediscovered and remembered. that which had never lost, and never actually forgotten.

01:10:37 SPEAKER_307: That remembered source is its source as the One Creator.

01:10:49 SPEAKER_307: So faith is not adding something new; it is remembering what the self has always been.

01:10:53 SPEAKER_307: Intelligent infinity is another way of pointing to the same reality.

01:11:01 SPEAKER_307: Koo says Raw used the term intelligent infinity with precision.

01:11:05 SPEAKER_307: Evoked this term of intelligent infinity to point to that realm which is one and the same of faith in the way that we describe it.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_307: That is the central answer to the question: Faith and intelligent infinity are congruent because both point to the same direct connection with infinite being.

01:11:20 SPEAKER_307: Intelligent infinity may be likened to primordial awareness.

01:11:33 SPEAKER_307: This intelligent infinity is likened to primordial awareness itself, and then connects it to the common religious language.

01:11:37 SPEAKER_307: It may be called.

01:11:47 SPEAKER_307: God, that gives you a useful bridge for viewers.

01:11:49 SPEAKER_307: Intelligent infinity, primordial awareness, God, and the true self are different conceptual doors into the same mystery.

01:11:51 SPEAKER_307: Awareness is alive.

01:11:59 SPEAKER_307: This awareness is aware.

01:12:00 SPEAKER_307: That line is short but very dense.

01:12:02 SPEAKER_307: Intelligent infinity is not dead abstraction; it is living awareness.

01:12:06 SPEAKER_307: Kuo adds, "It is infused with sentience."

01:12:09 SPEAKER_307: Though Kuo also says that language is inadequate.

01:12:12 SPEAKER_307: The point. is that the ground of being is intelligent, alive, aware, and present.

01:12:16 SPEAKER_307: Infinity cannot be made into an object.

01:12:21 SPEAKER_307: Who explains why intellectual understanding hits a wall?

01:12:25 SPEAKER_307: There is no subject who may stand outside of and make an object of infinity.

01:12:29 SPEAKER_307: This is one of the best philosophical quotes in the passage.

01:12:34 SPEAKER_307: You cannot stand outside infinity to study it as a separate object because there is no outside.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_307: Creation allows the one to experience itself as many.

01:12:47 SPEAKER_996: Who describes incarnation and manyness as a kind of beautiful game?

01:12:52 SPEAKER_996: The creator, you may seem to have you, the creator, you may seem to have this experience and may seem to look back upon yourself as infinity, identified with a particular focal point of form.

01:12:57 SPEAKER_996: Yes, this is the classic Law of One theme.

01:13:16 SPEAKER_996: The creator experiences itself through apparent separate beings.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_996: Yes.

01:13:20 SPEAKER_996: Ed, oh.

01:13:22 SPEAKER_996: The one and the many are one.

01:13:26 SPEAKER_996: Q'uo uses a strong non-dual language.

01:13:26 SPEAKER_996: The one is the many, and the many the one.

01:13:29 SPEAKER_997: And references Eastern non-duality.

01:13:31 SPEAKER_997: Nirvana and samsara are one.

01:13:34 SPEAKER_997: Oh yes.

01:13:36 SPEAKER_997: So that is you know nirvana.

01:13:37 SPEAKER_997: Is the escape from samsara, and it says Nirvana and samsara are one.

01:13:38 SPEAKER_463: This means the infinite and the manifested world are ultimately one reality, seen from different modes of awareness.

01:13:48 SPEAKER_464: Intelligent Infinity is misunderstood when treated as distant.

01:13:59 SPEAKER_997: Q'uo warns against making Intelligent Infinity into an abstract object somewhere else.

01:14:08 SPEAKER_997: Intelligent Infinity as a concept seems to sit at a distance from the entity, in an abstraction, as an object that is elsewhere, then the correction.

01:14:10 SPEAKER_997: This is a misunderstanding.

01:14:17 SPEAKER_755: That is a very useful discussion point.

01:14:26 SPEAKER_755: Intelligent Infinity is not far away, hidden in some cosmic location.

01:14:28 SPEAKER_755: It is the present ground of being.

01:14:30 SPEAKER_755: Intelligent Infinity is your alive beingness right now.

01:14:34 SPEAKER_755: This is the most direct and powerful quote in the section.

01:14:36 SPEAKER_755: Intelligent Infinity is your alive beingness right now.

01:14:41 SPEAKER_755: It says this a lot.

01:14:46 SPEAKER_755: For a lot of the quotes here, and expands.

01:14:50 SPEAKER_755: It is that which is reading these words.

01:14:54 SPEAKER_755: So basically, saying is consciousness, right?

01:14:57 SPEAKER_755: Yes, and it is that which is perceiving the senses of the body.

01:14:59 SPEAKER_755: This turns the teaching from abstract cosmology into immediate spiritual practice.

01:15:04 SPEAKER_755: And it and it arguably like answers the big question of psychology.

01:15:11 SPEAKER_755: What is that?

01:15:15 SPEAKER_755: What is the watcher?

01:15:16 SPEAKER_755: Was the was the observer behind the eyes the one that sees the things, the one that hears the thoughts, the third person in the ah yes, the brain being one, the mind,

01:15:19 SPEAKER_755: the ego being the other, and then the observer, the watcher on the inside that takes in all the information.

01:15:32 SPEAKER_755: That's the bit the neuroscience can't find, and that is there it is there it is there it is.

01:15:43 SPEAKER_755: Right there, straight up, God pouring in through your head.

01:15:56 SPEAKER_755: Okay, I'm finally getting it.

01:15:58 SPEAKER_755: Hey Ed, yeah, Ed, could you say then that explains the slit experience experiment, the electron slit experiment?

01:16:08 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, pretty much.

01:16:09 SPEAKER_755: But then everything's consciousness, and we're able to manipulate consciousness with our intent and our focus.

01:16:15 SPEAKER_755: Then that that would explain the double slit experiment as much as anything.

01:16:23 SPEAKER_755: But yeah, what Ed is saying, and I mean what this is really saying, the Infinity is the observer in your mind.

01:16:30 SPEAKER_755: It is that which is reading these words.

01:16:33 SPEAKER_755: You are the infinite.

01:16:34 SPEAKER_755: You are the Intelligent Infinity.

01:16:35 SPEAKER_755: That's what it's saying.

01:16:37 SPEAKER_755: You are the creator.

01:16:39 SPEAKER_755: This is another way of saying you are the creator.

01:16:42 SPEAKER_755: This turns the teaching from abstract cosmology into immediate spiritual practice.

01:16:48 SPEAKER_755: Intelligent Infinity is the background of all experience.

01:16:50 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo says Intelligent Infinity is the background of your entire experience.

01:16:58 SPEAKER_755: This includes every form of experience, thought and sensation, and misery and bliss.

01:17:04 SPEAKER_464: So the Intelligent Infinity is not only present in mystical states; it is present as awareness behind every state.

01:17:13 SPEAKER_464: So the creator is behind everyone and within everyone.

01:17:18 SPEAKER_997: You know, it's like.

01:17:20 SPEAKER_997: The Christ.

01:17:23 SPEAKER_997: The Christ is even in the least.

01:17:27 SPEAKER_997: You have always been the Creator.

01:17:32 SPEAKER_991: Q'uo gives the clearest identity statement.

01:17:44 SPEAKER_991: You have been nothing other than the Creator, and Intelligent Infinity has been the ground of your very own being.

01:17:47 SPEAKER_991: This is the passage's deepest claim.

01:17:52 SPEAKER_991: The self does not become divine.

01:18:00 SPEAKER_991: The self awakens to the divine ground that has always been present.

01:18:09 SPEAKER_991: Faith is the way the self approaches and merges into Intelligent Infinity.

01:18:16 SPEAKER_991: Q'uo states, this can only be approached and merged into through this faculty of faith.

01:18:26 SPEAKER_991: Then makes the equivalence explicit, which becomes one and the same as Intelligent Infinity.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_991: So faith, faith begins as bridge, becomes states of being, and finally is revealed as the same reality.

01:18:29 SPEAKER_466: It was.

01:18:30 SPEAKER_466: Reaching toward.

01:18:37 SPEAKER_466: The mortal self must release its grip.

01:18:37 SPEAKER_466: Who describes this transformation?

01:18:38 SPEAKER_466: The entity releases its grip upon the mortal self, and releases attachments and aversions and ways of seeing itself in the world.

01:18:41 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah.

01:18:41 SPEAKER_466: This is the practical.

01:18:42 SPEAKER_991: There you go, death.

01:18:46 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

01:18:51 SPEAKER_991: Well, it's kind of.

01:18:54 SPEAKER_466: I mean, they.

01:18:59 SPEAKER_466: You know, they got a good five gram mushroom hit.

01:19:04 SPEAKER_466: Smash that thing out your skull.

01:19:06 SPEAKER_466: Realize that it's far bigger than the body.

01:19:10 SPEAKER_466: All of that gets sorted out for you.

01:19:11 SPEAKER_466: Well, yeah, yeah, that that can serve as a potent catalyst for that kind of transformation.

01:19:12 SPEAKER_466: Any kind of hallucinogen can.

01:19:14 SPEAKER_466: And then you, and then you can fall back on the idea that nothing was ever created.

01:19:16 SPEAKER_466: Yes, yes.

01:19:19 SPEAKER_466: So are are are are we?

01:19:19 SPEAKER_466: Real to begin with?

01:19:20 SPEAKER_466: Are we real?

01:19:28 SPEAKER_466: We're dreams dancing in a dream.

01:19:29 SPEAKER_466: You know this.

01:19:32 SPEAKER_466: Well, I mean, the very first raw number one session one said, "Do you guys know that you are just a thought?"

01:19:34 SPEAKER_466: Yes, yes, exactly, man.

01:19:35 SPEAKER_466: We're dancing because it all's a dream inside an immaterial ballroom.

01:19:36 SPEAKER_466: Because nothing exists, dude.

01:19:38 SPEAKER_466: It's all a dream.

01:19:46 SPEAKER_466: Yes, yes.

01:19:50 SPEAKER_466: You did you know my first 360 video?

01:20:01 SPEAKER_466: What I sold people is that you are the creator, and I am everything you believe me to be.

01:20:05 SPEAKER_466: Because you, because it's like this was meant to be like that.

01:20:10 SPEAKER_466: You would be wearing.

01:20:10 SPEAKER_466: This, and then it was like kind of a meditation, because you will move into the timeline, which is congruent with your expectations of who and what I am.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_466: So I don't like that that much, man.

01:20:13 SPEAKER_466: That sounds a bit Bashar for me.

01:20:13 SPEAKER_466: Bashar.

01:20:15 SPEAKER_466: Is that what you said?

01:20:15 SPEAKER_466: Bashar.

01:20:23 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, yeah, Bashar, yeah, that guy.

01:20:27 SPEAKER_991: That's that.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_991: That's a bit too much for me, man.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_991: And that whole, that whole, what's it called, multi-worlds theory, dude.

01:20:34 SPEAKER_991: They're they're already like pulling that apart in physics terms.

01:20:42 SPEAKER_464: It's like that's not how it works.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_464: Well, I don't know.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_464: That's that's how I understand it.

01:21:02 SPEAKER_464: I don't know anyone pulling it apart, but maybe you can send me the links.

01:21:05 SPEAKER_466: Seriously, the whole many worlds.

01:21:13 SPEAKER_466: Like you know, you know, the the interpretation of quantum physics is man.

01:21:16 SPEAKER_466: There's, is that's, it's already been shown that that's not how it works.

01:21:22 SPEAKER_466: Okay, that's is is a great idea for films and that, but it's not, it's not how physics works.

01:21:27 SPEAKER_466: And Rass says it works the other way.

01:21:33 SPEAKER_466: Rass says that there's these billions of timelines in front of you, yeah, and then by your choices and your actions, you you collapse them down to one.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_466: There's not billions of them sitting there doing.

01:21:39 SPEAKER_466: Nothing.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_466: When you make a choice, those other ones collapse into nothingness.

01:21:48 SPEAKER_466: So, what?

01:21:55 SPEAKER_991: And if you just pick a timeline, then what you're jumping into yourself in that timeline?

01:21:58 SPEAKER_991: What about you in that timeline?

01:22:04 SPEAKER_466: You just stole that guy's life.

01:22:10 SPEAKER_466: It's a rubbish way of thinking about things.

01:22:12 SPEAKER_466: It's just that time travel is a thing.

01:22:14 SPEAKER_466: People can try and travel.

01:22:19 SPEAKER_466: I agree, but it's not done via the many worlds principle.

01:22:28 SPEAKER_466: Okay, it might be done by a different part of the infinite creator.

01:22:29 SPEAKER_466: But it is a thing that happens.

01:22:35 SPEAKER_463: Well, time travel, yeah, but not timeline jumping, but and not picking your favorite timeline to move into.

01:22:45 SPEAKER_463: That's not how it works.

01:22:46 SPEAKER_463: A solid people did, and that's wrong.

01:22:48 SPEAKER_463: What you're talking about, Ed, is manifesting.

01:22:53 SPEAKER_463: No, no, no, no. Manifest is one thing, yeah, but picking your own reality based on what you think.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_463: That's manifesting.

01:22:58 SPEAKER_463: And everyone else is a figment of of your imagination.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_463: Is not how it works.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_463: And there's no, I see no distinction between what you said in regards to you making a choice and all the other choices collapsing, and you choosing the timeline that you're going on.

01:23:07 SPEAKER_463: I see no distinction.

01:23:08 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, it doesn't mean it.

01:23:20 SPEAKER_463: It doesn't mean you're not going to have you know separate realities from others.

01:23:20 SPEAKER_463: It just, it just.

01:23:24 SPEAKER_463: It just—it's just that you manifest that one timeline.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_463: I don't think you manifest one timeline at an expense of another timeline, because how can you?

01:23:31 SPEAKER_463: How can you have one?

01:23:39 SPEAKER_463: Ross says it.

01:23:41 SPEAKER_463: Ross says it.

01:23:42 SPEAKER_463: As soon as you pick a timeline, as soon as you pick a choice, all of the others cease to exist, and a whole new set are created.

01:23:43 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:23:45 SPEAKER_463: So, but there aren't any others, then, are there?

01:23:51 SPEAKER_463: That's well, that doesn't mean that doesn't.

01:23:52 SPEAKER_463: Mean it's a zero sum game.

01:23:54 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, it's not.

01:23:57 SPEAKER_463: No, no, no, no, no. If you go the solipsism route, it is a zero sum game.

01:24:02 SPEAKER_463: It's not.

01:24:07 SPEAKER_463: It's infinite.

01:24:13 SPEAKER_463: It's infinite.

01:24:14 SPEAKER_463: It's not.

01:24:24 SPEAKER_463: Oh, it is because you'll always get the equal number of positive and negative outcomes.

01:24:26 SPEAKER_463: That makes it pointless.

01:24:27 SPEAKER_463: It is not.

01:24:34 SPEAKER_463: The point is developing your heart.

01:24:36 SPEAKER_463: And if you believe that, there'll be another Andre that isn't making the whole thing pointless.

01:24:37 SPEAKER_463: But it isn't in this timeline, is it?

01:24:38 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:40 SPEAKER_463: No, because you experience it from your timeline.

01:24:40 SPEAKER_463: The merging of timelines happens in seven.

01:24:44 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, you experience it.

01:24:48 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, but you a solipsistic universe where only exists for you.

01:24:55 SPEAKER_463: No, Andre, we are not figments of your imagination, mate.

01:24:58 SPEAKER_463: We really exist.

01:25:00 SPEAKER_463: Mate, we we exist.

01:25:02 SPEAKER_463: Stop it.

01:25:03 SPEAKER_463: Yes, of course.

01:25:06 SPEAKER_463: You are the infinite creator.

01:25:08 SPEAKER_463: No, if you look at it, you are just dreaming.

01:25:11 SPEAKER_463: You are the dream of the creator, man.

01:25:12 SPEAKER_463: And if nothing is created, then what does it really matter?

01:25:16 SPEAKER_463: There's only the one dream, guys.

01:25:21 SPEAKER_463: Come on, just get back to what we're reading.

01:25:22 SPEAKER_463: Stop your silly.

01:25:25 SPEAKER_463: Okay, you you don't like this.

01:25:26 SPEAKER_463: Okay, I hear you.

01:25:32 SPEAKER_463: I will forgive and love you unconditionally.

01:25:32 SPEAKER_463: The mortal self must release the grip.

01:25:36 SPEAKER_463: The entity releases its grip upon the mortal self.

01:25:46 SPEAKER_463: Its attachments, aversions, ways of seeing itself in the world.

01:25:51 SPEAKER_463: This is the practical path.

01:25:59 SPEAKER_463: Loosen the identity built around separateness, fear, desire, and resistance.

01:26:03 SPEAKER_463: Faith.

01:26:08 SPEAKER_463: And that's what I'm trying to get you guys to do, yeah.

01:26:21 SPEAKER_464: Me too.

01:26:24 SPEAKER_464: I'm trying to get you to do the same.

01:26:26 SPEAKER_464: Faith is the invisible bridge from separation into unity.

01:26:27 SPEAKER_464: There is another excellent summary quote from separation into unity through this invisible bridge of faith.

01:26:37 SPEAKER_464: It pairs well with the previous section's image of the leap into midair.

01:26:40 SPEAKER_464: The inward journey abandons the intellectual mind.

01:26:44 SPEAKER_464: Who says faith abandons the intellectual mind in the inward journey and leaps into midair?

01:26:52 SPEAKER_464: This means intellect can bring the seeker to the edge, but the direct inward movement into unity requires surrender.

01:26:53 SPEAKER_466: Ultimate reality has no structure to hold onto.

01:27:00 SPEAKER_466: Who closes with pure apophatic language?

01:27:04 SPEAKER_466: There's no structure.

01:27:05 SPEAKER_466: There's nothing to hold onto, and there's no past or future, self or other, subject or object, here or there.

01:27:08 SPEAKER_466: Then the final mystical image.

01:27:10 SPEAKER_466: That's because nothing was ever created.

01:27:22 SPEAKER_466: I really like how you you liked that one so much.

01:27:26 SPEAKER_466: There is the final mystical image.

01:27:27 SPEAKER_466: There is only silence and stillness, which moves beyond all thought, all action, all word, all vibration.

01:27:33 SPEAKER_466: Yes, that is probably the best closing quote for a contemplative video segment.

01:27:38 SPEAKER_466: Fair enough.

01:27:45 SPEAKER_466: There are no words or concepts for the physics of the infinite.

01:27:53 SPEAKER_466: Faith is not a belief or set of ideas.

01:27:56 SPEAKER_466: I think that another thing, you know, that some people are uncomfortable with the idea of the amount of power that we have over our own experience is, well, then they would be responsible,

01:28:04 SPEAKER_466: and they want to give that responsibility to someone else.

01:28:08 SPEAKER_466: And you know what?

01:28:13 SPEAKER_466: Because of our infinite power, we have the power to give that, our power to someone else, and that's okay.

01:28:15 SPEAKER_466: That's part of the creation, and we are all here for each other, as the one Creator.

01:28:16 SPEAKER_466: You have been nothing other than the Creator.

01:28:18 SPEAKER_466: From separation into unity, through the invisible bridge of faith, there is no structure.

01:28:18 SPEAKER_466: There is nothing to hold on to.

01:28:19 SPEAKER_464: There is only silence and the stillness, which moves beyond all thought.

01:28:20 SPEAKER_464: All right, guys.

01:28:21 SPEAKER_464: I gotta get some more water.

01:28:21 SPEAKER_464: Uh, you guys discuss for now.

01:28:27 SPEAKER_464: I'll be back.

01:28:27 SPEAKER_464: Go ahead, go ahead.

01:28:30 SPEAKER_464: Discuss.

01:28:32 SPEAKER_464: All right.

01:28:34 SPEAKER_464: There's only ten minutes left.

01:28:35 SPEAKER_464: Um.

01:28:36 SPEAKER_464: So you know what?

01:28:39 SPEAKER_464: I I can I can hold on my thirst for for another ten minutes.

01:28:42 SPEAKER_464: Um.

01:28:42 SPEAKER_464: So I don't know what what is next.

01:28:45 SPEAKER_464: What what is there to discuss?

01:28:55 SPEAKER_464: You say.

01:29:07 SPEAKER_464: All right, I don't know.

01:29:08 SPEAKER_464: I'm still stuck on nothing was ever created.

01:29:10 SPEAKER_464: I think that's more helpful to me than anything else.

01:29:14 SPEAKER_464: All right, all right.

01:29:19 SPEAKER_464: Personally, let's expand on nothing was ever created.

01:29:21 SPEAKER_464: Because when you manifest, when you you're trying to bring something about, and you go into that realm, you really have to be, in a way, delusional,

01:29:28 SPEAKER_464: and and if you understand the premise that nothing was ever created, then this can help at least me become delusional enough to put all those other slops aside and just manifest.

01:29:34 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, man.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_464: Look, we have to remember we are creator.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_464: We have we have ultimate control, but that is is is relative.

01:29:55 SPEAKER_464: You know that's why the door of Dublin is important.

01:30:01 SPEAKER_307: All these other factors, all these other things.

01:30:07 SPEAKER_307: You know, the higher self and the magical personality is the one that's going to do the manifesting for you.

01:30:10 SPEAKER_307: You know, it's not your it's not your thought and your willpower making you jump timeline.

01:30:12 SPEAKER_307: It's you pulling in the magical personality and then doing it for you, creating the reality you want to perceive.

01:30:13 SPEAKER_307: Well, apparently, my magical personality hasn't been delusional enough to do that for me.

01:30:14 SPEAKER_307: Well, like I'd argue that you just need to learn how to communicate with it, and sometimes the delusional thing doesn't really matter.

01:30:17 SPEAKER_307: It's more important, really, to get a clear message over than forget about it.

01:30:21 SPEAKER_307: Most people block their own manifestation just by what they think after doing the the work.

01:30:22 SPEAKER_307: Oh, oh, you know what, Andre.

01:30:25 SPEAKER_307: That was the last question in this session.

01:30:26 SPEAKER_307: Yes, yes, yes.

01:30:27 SPEAKER_307: I'm just, I'm.

01:30:27 SPEAKER_307: We got like a quote thanking thing.

01:30:28 SPEAKER_307: You want to, you want to read the outro?

01:30:31 SPEAKER_307: Oh, sure, sure, sure.

01:30:32 SPEAKER_307: We, we can read it, I guess.

01:30:32 SPEAKER_307: It's just real.

01:30:37 SPEAKER_307: Okay.

01:30:53 SPEAKER_997: Go ahead.

01:30:58 SPEAKER_997: I mean, this will take us into the next session.

01:31:07 SPEAKER_997: Okay.

01:31:10 SPEAKER_997: It says, "I'm quote."

01:31:18 SPEAKER_997: He says, "I am quote, and I'm again with this instrument.

01:31:29 SPEAKER_997: We offer our gratitude at having been extended the invitation and then accepted into the circle of seeking.

01:31:37 SPEAKER_997: It is with great joy that we have been able to, through these instruments, speak to these concepts that are upon the minds of seekers that are relevant to the path of the seeker.

01:31:45 SPEAKER_997: And we hope that our words find their way into the hearts of all who read them,

01:31:58 SPEAKER_997: so they they may better inform your journey upon a planet that is attempting to evolve and transform into the next density and provide an environment of love and understanding for the entities upon it,

01:32:05 SPEAKER_997: this transformation, as you know, is quite rough.

01:32:06 SPEAKER_997: And the calling out from this planet and the population upon it for love and for light grows ever more,

01:32:07 SPEAKER_997: and so does your capacity to walk upon the surface of the planet while radiating that which you know deep within yourself to be the truth.

01:32:12 SPEAKER_997: The truth, being the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator, grows more and more meaningful as this point of transition continues to grow near.

01:32:23 SPEAKER_997: As your planet continues to welcome the vibrations of frequency with more and more intensity of manifestation within your time, space, environment,

01:32:26 SPEAKER_997: we encourage all to take this vibration of love offered through our words and allow it to be radiated, radiated through the being at any point that is possible.

01:32:35 SPEAKER_997: At this time, we take leave of the ceremony and the circle, leaving as we found you in the loving light of the one infinite Creator.

01:32:44 SPEAKER_997: God and I, Lasoo Boragas.

01:32:51 SPEAKER_997: Okay, very good.

01:33:03 SPEAKER_997: Okay, now I got a great brain collision version here, man.

01:33:12 SPEAKER_997: For your, some epicratic cyclic cosmology models propose that what happens appears as the Big Bang from inside our universe could correspond to collision or interaction of brains in a higher dimension.

01:33:17 SPEAKER_997: Brains, in a higher dimensional setting.

01:33:25 SPEAKER_997: In that model, the collision produces matter and radiation on the brains, where standard cosmological evolution then unfolds.

01:33:27 SPEAKER_997: This is interesting because from the inside the brain, it looks like creation happened, but from the larger dimensional perspective,

01:33:30 SPEAKER_997: it might be more like a higher dimensional interaction produced a new phase pattern or manifestation on the brain.

01:33:32 SPEAKER_997: This lines up nicely with the metaphysical distinction: from within the time the universe begins, from beyond time, form appears within a larger reality.

01:33:36 SPEAKER_991: From infinity, nothing separate has been added.

01:33:46 SPEAKER_991: Where the analogy works, the created universe may be like a membrane pattern.

01:33:47 SPEAKER_991: Can I say?

01:33:51 SPEAKER_991: I agree with all of this way more than what you were saying earlier.

01:33:55 SPEAKER_991: All of this is quite good.

01:34:06 SPEAKER_997: But none of this is Metywell's theory.

01:34:08 SPEAKER_997: None of this is is the these those other things, and none of this is string theory.

01:34:11 SPEAKER_997: But this is.

01:34:18 SPEAKER_997: This is actually.

01:34:23 SPEAKER_997: This this this this comes down.

01:34:24 SPEAKER_997: This comes down to what's called boson brains.

01:34:27 SPEAKER_997: Bohm brains, which is the idea that a brain can exist without matter, and and this this is literally describing how physics can be produced by them.

01:34:31 SPEAKER_997: Check it out, Bohm brain.

01:34:33 SPEAKER_997: It'll give you give you a far bigger, better explanation to all of this than.

01:34:36 SPEAKER_997: I mean, I don't even understand how this could be related to string theory.

01:34:38 SPEAKER_997: Okay, okay.

01:34:39 SPEAKER_997: So are we talking two different words?

01:34:39 SPEAKER_997: Brain, b r a n e and b r.

01:34:41 SPEAKER_997: N e n v r a i n.

01:34:51 SPEAKER_997: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:34:55 SPEAKER_997: This is a brain as in membrane.

01:35:01 SPEAKER_997: Okay.

01:35:29 SPEAKER_997: Can I just say membranes?

01:35:31 SPEAKER_997: Yeah, are something I've heavily been looking into because of the fact of the way Raw talks about a potential difference.

01:35:31 SPEAKER_997: Now he talks about potential difference a shitload.

01:35:37 SPEAKER_997: Now when you're looking at it from the electric, electrical point of view, it doesn't make any sense how he's talking about it.

01:35:43 SPEAKER_991: But when you talk about membrane potential and potential difference across a membrane, like in neurons, like in so many different things in nature, like a capacitor, it's basically like a rubbish version of that.

01:35:48 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, that right there would tie with what you're talking about here, and time with Ra, and it still says nothing to string theory.

01:35:51 SPEAKER_991: So here one.

01:35:57 SPEAKER_991: So so membrane.

01:35:58 SPEAKER_991: So a membrane is in essence is something just like a field that connects things.

01:36:03 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, it's basically something where you'll have a double layer, and on one side of the layer it'll be different to the other.

01:36:05 SPEAKER_991: So it's like a sectioning material, so that will define different layers.

01:36:05 SPEAKER_991: And they're all connected.

01:36:08 SPEAKER_991: Well, arguably, you could have one membrane, and every single thing would be folded consciousness.

01:36:09 SPEAKER_991: Say that one more time.

01:36:19 SPEAKER_991: Arguably, all you'd need would be one membrane, and everything could just be folded consciousness.

01:36:24 SPEAKER_991: It's so annoying.

01:36:27 SPEAKER_991: It's so...

01:36:33 SPEAKER_991: It's so annoying on Zoom.

01:36:39 SPEAKER_991: I can't part pictures.

01:36:43 SPEAKER_991: Have you guys seen that picture where it's just like the two faces with the circle going round?

01:36:46 SPEAKER_991: So, are you willing to listen for one sentence?

01:36:47 SPEAKER_991: Of course, yes.

01:36:51 SPEAKER_991: String theory says fundamental reality may involve vibrating one-dimensional strings.

01:36:52 SPEAKER_991: Membrane theory extends that idea to higher-dimensional vibrating objects called branes, with strings being one-branes and membranes being two-branes.

01:36:53 SPEAKER_466: Okay, so like I just said, membrane is two different things.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_466: String theory itself, in every single way, relies on empty space.

01:37:08 SPEAKER_466: That's what all their math.

01:37:13 SPEAKER_466: That's why you need all the different dimensions.

01:37:14 SPEAKER_466: Ra says a plenum.

01:37:20 SPEAKER_991: That means it's nonsense.

01:37:29 SPEAKER_991: So yes, membranes, I agree, would act that way, but the vibrating strings thing—they are grasping at straws, trying to find anything that might relate to vibrating strings.

01:37:29 SPEAKER_991: A membrane doesn't relate to a vibrating string.

01:37:32 SPEAKER_991: It's a completely different thing, and it's a far better thing to be studying.

01:37:33 SPEAKER_991: than a string.

01:37:37 SPEAKER_991: Well, yeah, I mean, basically, string theory has been superseded by membrane theory.

01:37:39 SPEAKER_991: No, no, string theory's been thrown in the bin, and they're trying to find something to replace it.

01:37:43 SPEAKER_991: It's okay.

01:37:49 SPEAKER_991: You explained to my friend how there were many.

01:37:53 SPEAKER_991: I stop asking.

01:37:57 SPEAKER_991: Stop asking ChatGPT to explain stuff I already know to me.

01:38:01 SPEAKER_991: Stop it.

01:38:06 SPEAKER_991: It won't be able to do it because I know the science, dude.

01:38:11 SPEAKER_991: No one, no one, no one's going to agree that string theory is a good thing.

01:38:13 SPEAKER_991: Now, uh, he claims they have no relationships, and string theory was abandoned.

01:38:18 SPEAKER_991: Have you ever heard of this guy named Cliff High?

01:38:28 SPEAKER_991: Dude, I'm saying it should be abandoned.

01:38:31 SPEAKER_991: If it's not being abandoned, that's no, no. Have you?

01:38:37 SPEAKER_991: Have you heard of that?

01:38:48 SPEAKER_991: Ed, have you ever?

01:38:52 SPEAKER_991: You haven't heard of that guy?

01:38:55 SPEAKER_991: He also says string theory is rubbish.

01:38:55 SPEAKER_991: So everybody in science is saying string theory is rubbish.

01:38:58 SPEAKER_991: I don't even know why it's getting any funding at all from anybody these days.

01:39:00 SPEAKER_991: The better historical picture is that physicists first found several apparently different superstring theories, then discovered that these theories were connected by dualities and seemed to be different limits of a deeper framework called M-theory,

01:39:07 SPEAKER_991: where higher-dimensional objects called branes are fundamental.

01:39:08 SPEAKER_991: M-theory has been around for many, many years.

01:39:12 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:39:15 SPEAKER_991: Why are we still talking about string theory?

01:39:25 SPEAKER_991: This is a completely different thing.

01:39:25 SPEAKER_991: It's... but it's stop it.

01:39:29 SPEAKER_991: They're related.

01:39:32 SPEAKER_991: The string is the one-dimensional object.

01:39:32 SPEAKER_991: Membrane is the two-dimensional object.

01:39:36 SPEAKER_991: That's okay.

01:39:36 SPEAKER_991: But a membrane is a three-dimensional object, not a two-dimensional object.

01:39:43 SPEAKER_991: Dimensional object.

01:39:44 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:39:49 SPEAKER_991: Well, yeah, it can be folded many times.

01:40:00 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:40:12 SPEAKER_991: Reality may be like a living database of all possible states, and each life is a graph walk through it.

01:40:18 SPEAKER_991: Time is how the walk feels from inside.

01:40:27 SPEAKER_991: Creation is the discovery of possibility, not the manufacture of something separate from God.

01:40:33 SPEAKER_991: I agree with all of that, but I still don't agree with what the basis.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_991: I know you have hard feelings against what we're talking about, but but all of this.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_991: Talking about that, but but all of this, what you're saying, I completely agree with.

01:40:35 SPEAKER_991: And the fundamental idea that you could use a folded membrane to be the substrate of consciousness of everything, that that that I could get behind totally.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_991: But that that I could see having far more legs than a string vibrating in nothing.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_991: When we know there's not nothing.

01:40:38 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:40:41 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:40:44 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_991: Um.

01:40:51 SPEAKER_991: I think we've got to let that go now.

01:40:52 SPEAKER_991: But nothing is created.

01:40:55 SPEAKER_991: That's that's exactly what I'm explaining.

01:40:56 SPEAKER_991: Here, okay, let me see if there's another one for you.

01:40:59 SPEAKER_991: Here, there was an original one before I asked it to go into the.

01:41:03 SPEAKER_991: Nothing is created.

01:41:04 SPEAKER_991: One way to approach nothing was created is through membrane.

01:41:06 SPEAKER_991: Oh wait, hold on.

01:41:09 SPEAKER_991: This is before I already asked it.

01:41:11 SPEAKER_991: Nothing was created means nothing ever becoming separate from the one.

01:41:12 SPEAKER_991: Forms arise and pass away, but the being behind them remains eternal.

01:41:12 SPEAKER_991: Creation is the creator appearing to itself, not something outside God coming into existence.

01:41:16 SPEAKER_991: But yeah, I think I think that.

01:41:16 SPEAKER_991: So it's all illusion.

01:41:16 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:41:17 SPEAKER_991: Exactly.

01:41:19 SPEAKER_991: Non-duality.

01:41:19 SPEAKER_991: Yes.

01:41:20 SPEAKER_991: It's a holographic projection, right?

01:41:20 SPEAKER_991: Like that.

01:41:21 SPEAKER_991: It's...

01:41:22 SPEAKER_991: And you.

01:41:23 SPEAKER_991: Here.

01:41:28 SPEAKER_991: And you define.

01:41:31 SPEAKER_991: Define what?

01:41:35 SPEAKER_991: This is the strongest one.

01:41:36 SPEAKER_991: One way to understand nothing was created is to imagine reality as an infinite living graph of possibilities.

01:41:43 SPEAKER_997: Each soul, each mind-body-spirit complex, walks a path through that graph.

01:41:56 SPEAKER_997: From inside the walk, we experience all of these things.

01:42:03 SPEAKER_997: Got to be created.

01:42:05 SPEAKER_997: Events seem to appear and disappear, but from the higher-dimensional view, the whole possibility field already is.

01:42:06 SPEAKER_997: What we call creation is consciousness illuminating one node of the graph, one path through the creator's infinite potential.

01:42:13 SPEAKER_997: Nothing is added to the one, and nothing is lost from the one.

01:42:13 SPEAKER_997: So the only thing.

01:42:15 SPEAKER_991: Okay, hold on.

01:42:16 SPEAKER_991: So everything is one illusion, and non-duality all mean the same thing.

01:42:21 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

01:42:21 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:42:21 SPEAKER_991: All right.

01:42:22 SPEAKER_991: You gotta explain it to a stupid guy, you know.

01:42:23 SPEAKER_991: Uh.

01:42:23 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:42:23 SPEAKER_991: That that being me.

01:42:24 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:42:27 SPEAKER_991: I'm trying.

01:42:28 SPEAKER_991: I'm trying right now.

01:42:28 SPEAKER_991: Here.

01:42:29 SPEAKER_991: Expanded version.

01:42:30 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:42:32 SPEAKER_991: This is.

01:42:34 SPEAKER_991: No, Bill, dude.

01:42:34 SPEAKER_991: I think you hit it on the head, mate.

01:42:35 SPEAKER_991: That that is exactly it.

01:42:39 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

01:42:42 SPEAKER_991: That is all the same thing, dude.

01:42:43 SPEAKER_991: The illusion is us all being one, just with the creator.

01:42:44 SPEAKER_991: The distortions make us think it's different, right?

01:42:45 SPEAKER_991: Put in simple language, maybe as a short story.

01:42:47 SPEAKER_991: Spell dumbed wrong.

01:42:49 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, yeah.

01:42:51 SPEAKER_991: That that that makes it more powerful.

01:42:52 SPEAKER_466: Every possible story is already okay.

01:42:59 SPEAKER_466: Imagine there's an endless library.

01:43:04 SPEAKER_466: Every possible story is already in that library.

01:43:09 SPEAKER_466: Every path, every choice, every meeting, every joy, every mistake, every healing, every lesson.

01:43:13 SPEAKER_466: Nothing has to be added to the library because the library is already complete.

01:43:16 SPEAKER_466: Now, imagine each soul is a little glowing lantern.

01:43:31 SPEAKER_466: When you are born, your lantern lights up one page.

01:43:35 SPEAKER_466: When you make a choice, and your lantern moves to another page.

01:43:41 SPEAKER_466: Then you meet someone, learn something, help someone, get hurt, forgive, grow, and your lantern keeps moving through the library.

01:43:44 SPEAKER_466: From your point of view, it feels like the story is being created as you go.

01:43:45 SPEAKER_466: But from the view of the whole library, the pages were already there.

01:43:47 SPEAKER_466: What is new is how you walk through the story.

01:43:50 SPEAKER_466: Do you like a pick-your-own adventure book?

01:43:53 SPEAKER_466: Do you walk with fear or with love?

01:43:56 SPEAKER_466: Do you close your heart or open it?

01:43:58 SPEAKER_466: Do you try to control everyone or do you respect their freedom?

01:44:02 SPEAKER_466: Do you become bitter or do you learn mercy?

01:44:09 SPEAKER_466: This is the real lesson of life.

01:44:14 SPEAKER_466: Life is not about creating something separate from God.

01:44:16 SPEAKER_466: It's about walking through God's infinite possibilities and learning how to walk with a loving heart.

01:44:20 SPEAKER_466: So when they say nothing was ever created, it does not mean nothing matters.

01:44:22 SPEAKER_466: It means everything is already held inside God.

01:44:25 SPEAKER_466: You're not adding something to God.

01:44:33 SPEAKER_466: You are discovering God.

01:44:37 SPEAKER_466: You are walking through the endless library with your lantern.

01:44:40 SPEAKER_466: And the point is not just which pages you visit.

01:44:44 SPEAKER_466: The point is what kind of light your lantern becomes.

01:44:46 SPEAKER_466: In turn becomes.

01:44:56 SPEAKER_466: And I never had that.

01:44:56 SPEAKER_466: I never had the idea.

01:44:58 SPEAKER_466: My problem with that is, the what you just described is everything being created, not nothing.

01:45:00 SPEAKER_466: What?

01:45:01 SPEAKER_1001: I'm so confused.

01:45:08 SPEAKER_1001: Yes.

01:45:13 SPEAKER_1001: Here.

01:45:15 SPEAKER_1001: Well, I never thought that the idea of nothing is created means that nothing matters.

01:45:17 SPEAKER_1001: I have to say, I'm glad you'll write down.

01:45:18 SPEAKER_1001: AI went that way.

01:45:21 SPEAKER_1001: Went that.

01:45:26 SPEAKER_1001: It's interesting.

01:45:28 SPEAKER_1001: AI went there.

01:45:34 SPEAKER_1001: And resentment is like smoke inside the lantern.