Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — May 22, 2026

00:00:00 SPEAKER_755: Greetings in the Love and Light of the Infinite Creator.

00:00:02 SPEAKER_755: I'm Andrii Zvorygin, joined here today with Bill Blackham, Fred, Adam, and Ed, and we'll be reading the March 17, 2026 Confederation channeling, and it is regarding the maelstrom of this world and how, unfortunately,

00:00:23 SPEAKER_755: some people are experiencing fear and how to maintain love regardless of the external situation.

00:00:35 SPEAKER_755: All right, so here we have the question.

00:00:44 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, a simpler follow-up to that question.

00:00:47 SPEAKER_755: You described the appropriate relationship of the third-density entity to fourth-density energies as one of allowance and acceptance, and on paper that sounds so easy.

00:00:57 SPEAKER_755: You know, expand the heart.

00:00:59 SPEAKER_755: Welcome more people into your heart.

00:01:00 SPEAKER_755: Recognize our interconnectedness.

00:01:12 SPEAKER_755: Love your neighbour, etc. Yet clearly, large portions of the planetary population are feeling this energy and regressing to the orange or the yellow ray to protect the self, to identify with the tribe,

00:01:14 SPEAKER_755: to reject universal love, and so forth.

00:01:23 SPEAKER_755: Can you speak to why it's so difficult for those third-density entities to allow and accept the energies of love and understandings that are characteristic of the fourth-density energy?

00:01:31 SPEAKER_755: Bill, I am Q'uo, and am aware of the query, my brother.

00:01:34 SPEAKER_464: We can respond to this query from various angles.

00:01:44 SPEAKER_464: Not all of those angles may be direct, for this is the task at hand for your planet, and it does require some self-guidance.

00:01:52 SPEAKER_464: You may say for the population to discover this thread of love and to weave it into the tapestry of your social complexes.

00:02:03 SPEAKER_464: To speak to why this difficulty persists,

00:02:17 SPEAKER_464: there are many influences upon each individual that create certain barriers that... and create certain calcified pathways that encourage these individuals to turn back from the light of fourth density,

00:02:27 SPEAKER_464: the light of transparency of self-to-self and to other, and instead reiterate their own personal universe within the self.

00:02:32 SPEAKER_464: Part of these influences come from your society itself.

00:02:48 SPEAKER_464: As we mentioned, there are many opportunities for distraction, for sedation, for avoidance.

00:02:56 SPEAKER_464: These are incredibly powerful forces within the third density, and your planetary population has developed many tools to help individuals avoid suffering, whether in the self or within others.

00:03:09 SPEAKER_464: You are quite removed from the reality of how your life influences others within your society.

00:03:25 SPEAKER_464: There is very little awareness of the impacts of each of your actions because your social complexes have become so complex.

00:03:29 SPEAKER_464: The abstraction of your life has become so far removed from the direct influence of it, the direct association with those things that provide your life,

00:03:40 SPEAKER_464: that it is... very easy to simply ignore the suffering that continues to be pervasive around your planet and the seeming chaos, but the rising availability of information is concurrent with the ability to avoid it.

00:03:55 SPEAKER_464: These two energies exacerbate each other.

00:04:03 SPEAKER_464: You may say:

00:04:16 SPEAKER_464: "The more that you have the ability to avoid suffering within the self and avoid witnessing the suffering of others," the more opportunity is invited to impress upon you that suffering of self or other,

00:04:25 SPEAKER_464: and so this accounts partly for why there seems to be an increase in the seeming chaos, but also an increase in the turning away from it, because these two things, in a sense,

00:04:38 SPEAKER_464: create a balanced tension.

00:04:47 SPEAKER_464: However, this tension grows more and more, and... the nature of catalyst is that which is aimed at breaking this tension, forcing you may say:

00:04:59 SPEAKER_464: "the individual or the collective to run towards the suffering and to take it in," as we have encouraged with the eyes of Love.

00:05:16 SPEAKER_464: And this will not necessarily mean a passive acceptance of what is occurring, but we would expect that from many upon your planet to be able to open the heart in love.

00:05:31 SPEAKER_464: The heart and love, after having been closed for so long, will encourage a great motivation and an attempt to give the planet restitution and healing,

00:05:43 SPEAKER_464: where these spheres of suffering have been allowed to be so pervasive and persist for so long, with the avoidance mechanism working so hard to allow the individuals to ignore them.

00:05:55 SPEAKER_464: We can also speak somewhat to a more metaphysical influence: both within your time-space of your thought forms developed by your societies, but also by the Orion group,

00:06:03 SPEAKER_464: as you have identified it—those service-to-salvations who are drawn to the great potential upon your planet as it transitions from third to fourth density.

00:06:14 SPEAKER_464: Find... excuse me... find great opportunity to practice their craft.

00:06:30 SPEAKER_464: You may say of manipulation and finding new ways to energize the tendency of individuals to avoid suffering, to cover up that suffering,

00:06:35 SPEAKER_464: to even engage with what seems to be positive attitudes of spiritual seeking and turn them towards a bypassing you may say: "of the suffering."

00:06:39 SPEAKER_464: These energies are energized by the Orion group in attempt to baffle the birth of... a positive fourth-density planet.

00:06:55 SPEAKER_464: And they are finding some success, but this ability will become more and more limited as the catalyst grows in its intensity,

00:07:25 SPEAKER_1001: and more and more people will have the inward trajectory of avoidance shattered by the necessity to witness something that cannot be avoided:

00:07:26 SPEAKER_1001: the necessity to finally grasp the suffering within the self and reckon with it—the energies of foretensity, which encourage openness and transparency and expression of the self through the eyes and words of love.

00:07:33 SPEAKER_1001: Is there a follow-up to this query, my brother?

00:07:35 SPEAKER_1001: So that's pretty... pretty... pretty interesting.

00:07:35 SPEAKER_464: I like how they emphasize towards the beginning where they said that we fail to understand how much an influence we have on the other selves around us because of the complexity of our environment.

00:07:59 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, and I would go a step further and say not just the people around us, but the entire planetary sphere—in a way—raising the vibe.

00:07:59 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I mean... something bad in India or Africa happens; it doesn't affect us?

00:08:08 SPEAKER_464: But does it really not affect us?

00:08:09 SPEAKER_464: I think it's impossible that it would not affect us.

00:08:15 SPEAKER_1001: I think it affects us more now than it ever used to, just because of things like the internet and social media: the immediate availability of tragic news.

00:08:29 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:08:30 SPEAKER_464: Well... well... in the Oneness, I think it's always affected everyone.

00:08:46 SPEAKER_464: Always affected everyone.

00:08:46 SPEAKER_464: We got fellow Jester.

00:08:49 SPEAKER_464: Jester?

00:08:52 SPEAKER_464: So I'm thinking a certain entity from New Jersey might be around.

00:09:01 SPEAKER_464: Hey, Josh.

00:09:28 SPEAKER_464: Wrong, wrong.

00:09:38 SPEAKER_464: Excellent.

00:09:41 SPEAKER_755: Have we lost your audio, Andrii?

00:09:45 SPEAKER_755: Oh, you are muted.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_755: Oh, can you hear me now?

00:10:03 SPEAKER_755: The question posed to Q'uo reaches directly into the spiritual challenge of our time:

00:10:12 SPEAKER_755: Can you speak to why it's so difficult for these third-density entities to allow and accept energies of love and understanding that are characteristic of the fourth-density energy?

00:10:20 SPEAKER_755: On the surface, Love appears simple.

00:10:27 SPEAKER_755: Open the heart; welcome others; recognize unity; love your neighbour.

00:10:33 SPEAKER_755: Yet in lived experience, Love asks something profound of us.

00:10:34 SPEAKER_755: It asks that we release the protections by which we have separated ourselves from pain.

00:10:45 SPEAKER_755: It asks that we become honest with ourselves, receptive to one another, and willing to see the suffering woven through the structures of our shared life.

00:10:56 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo presents forth-density love as an invitation into greater transparency: transparency of self-to-self, self-to-others, and eventually society to itself.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_755: This is the task at hand for your planet,

00:11:13 SPEAKER_755: and it does require some... self-guidance you may say—for the population to discover this thread of love and to weave it into the tapestry of your social complexes.

00:11:19 SPEAKER_755: Yes, I think there is, you know, on many fronts an effort to move towards more love.

00:11:22 SPEAKER_755: Why can love feel so difficult?

00:11:25 SPEAKER_755: Who begins by describing the deeply established pathways within individuals and societies that make opening the heart difficult?

00:11:31 SPEAKER_755: There are many influences upon each individual that create certain barriers, and create certain calcified pathways that encourage these individuals to turn back from the light of fourth density,

00:11:36 SPEAKER_755: the light of transparency of self to self and to other, and instead reiterate their own personal universe within the self.

00:11:38 SPEAKER_755: These calcified pathways may be understood as habits of consciousness formed through fear, pain, isolation, disappointment, trauma, and repeated participation in systems that reward separation.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_755: A person learns to survive by narrowing their concerns, guarding the self, controlling what can be controlled, and reducing exposure to suffering that feels overwhelming.

00:11:47 SPEAKER_755: When the energies of love and understanding grow stronger, those protective patterns feel threatened.

00:11:52 SPEAKER_755: Love exposes what has been buried.

00:11:57 SPEAKER_755: Transparency reveals what has remained hidden.

00:11:59 SPEAKER_755: Interconnectedness makes it harder to pretend that one person's comfort exists apart from another person's hardship.

00:12:04 SPEAKER_755: This explains why spiritual transformation can initially appear as greater turmoil.

00:12:08 SPEAKER_755: Light entering a neglected room first reveals the dust.

00:12:12 SPEAKER_755: Love entering a guarded heart first reveals the wounds awaiting care.

00:12:16 SPEAKER_755: For the seeker, this invites gentleness.

00:12:25 SPEAKER_755: The difficulty of opening does not mean the heart has failed.

00:12:32 SPEAKER_755: It may mean the heart has finally reached the places that most need healing.

00:12:39 SPEAKER_755: A society built around avoidance.

00:12:44 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo then widens the lens from the individual to the social world.

00:12:47 SPEAKER_755: Part of these influences come from your society itself.

00:12:54 SPEAKER_755: As we mentioned, there are many opportunities for distraction, for sedation, for avoidance.

00:13:00 SPEAKER_755: This is among the clearest and most challenging aspects of the teaching.

00:13:07 SPEAKER_755: Modern society offers extraordinary convenience, entertainment, information, consumption, and stimulation.

00:13:10 SPEAKER_755: Yet these can also become barriers between ourselves and the reality of the lives our choices affect.

00:13:13 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo continues: You are quite removed from the reality of how your life influences others within your society.

00:13:14 SPEAKER_755: There's very little awareness of the impacts of each of your actions because your social complexes have become so complex.

00:13:20 SPEAKER_755: A meal arrives without face from the farmer.

00:13:20 SPEAKER_755: Product arrives with hands of the worker.

00:13:21 SPEAKER_755: A purchase appears separate from the land, energy, labour, suffering, and ecological consequence bound ensues production.

00:13:22 SPEAKER_755: A political decision becomes an argument on a screen, while real people carry its effects in their bodies and homes.

00:13:24 SPEAKER_755: If the same world also gives us unprecedented access to information about suffering, that's just like what Fred was saying.

00:13:30 SPEAKER_755: We can witness war, hunger, displacement, loneliness, poverty, ecological damage.

00:13:34 SPEAKER_755: The result can be overwhelming.

00:13:36 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo names this tension directly: The rising availability of information is concurrent with the ability to avoid it.

00:13:44 SPEAKER_755: Okay, here.

00:13:51 SPEAKER_755: Let's lower the amount of commentary-to-quote ratio.

00:14:09 SPEAKER_755: Thank you, thank you.

00:14:14 SPEAKER_755: Yeah.

00:14:21 SPEAKER_755: There we go.

00:14:26 SPEAKER_755: Turning back from transparency.

00:14:28 SPEAKER_755: Okay.

00:14:38 SPEAKER_755: The tools of avoidance.

00:14:39 SPEAKER_755: Part of these influences come from society itself.

00:14:40 SPEAKER_464: As we mentioned, there are many opportunities for distraction, for sedation, for avoidance.

00:14:52 SPEAKER_755: These are incredibly powerful forces within the third density of your planet.

00:14:58 SPEAKER_755: Humanity has developed many tools to help individuals avoid suffering, whether in the self or within others.

00:15:01 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, like you know, escaping through drugs or workaholics or many different ways of distracting yourself.

00:15:09 SPEAKER_755: Deciding, or just not wanting to deal with it.

00:15:11 SPEAKER_755: A lot of people are like: "I'm really positive.

00:15:15 SPEAKER_755: I can't have anything bad, any bad news, any bad energy coming in my life."

00:15:17 SPEAKER_755: That's spiritual bypassing.

00:15:22 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:15:29 SPEAKER_755: And so, for the seeker, this raises a quiet but serious question: Does comfort or belief help the heart become more present and loving, or does it help the heart remain closed,

00:15:34 SPEAKER_755: removed from the consequences of our lives?

00:15:44 SPEAKER_755: You are quite removed from the reality of how your life influences others.

00:15:46 SPEAKER_755: Within your society, there is very little awareness of the impacts of each of your actions because your social complexes have become so complex.

00:15:55 SPEAKER_755: The abstraction of your life has become so far removed.

00:16:02 SPEAKER_755: Okay, yeah, I think we covered this already: More information means more ways to turn away.

00:16:05 SPEAKER_755: The rising availability of information is concurrent with the ability to avoid it.

00:16:10 SPEAKER_755: Humanity can witness suffering while possessing endless means of moving attention elsewhere.

00:16:14 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo describes a growing tension between awareness and avoidance.

00:16:19 SPEAKER_755: The more that you have the ability to avoid suffering within the self and avoid witnessing the suffering of others, the more opportunities invited to impress upon you the suffering of self or other.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_755: So, that sounds like a lot of catalyst.

00:16:35 SPEAKER_755: Like if you try to avoid it, it just gets louder and louder until you deal with it.

00:16:42 SPEAKER_755: Catalyst breaks the patterns of avoidance.

00:16:49 SPEAKER_755: This tension grows more and more, and the nature of catalyst is that which aims in attempt to break the tension, to force, you may say, the individual or the collective to turn toward suffering,

00:16:51 SPEAKER_755: and to take it in as we have encouraged through the eyes of love.

00:16:55 SPEAKER_755: Catalyst is the experience that makes avoidance increasingly difficult.

00:16:56 SPEAKER_755: It brings hidden wounds into view, whether within the individual or within society.

00:16:59 SPEAKER_755: To take suffering in through the eyes of love is to allow oneself to see compassion while remaining available for service;

00:17:07 SPEAKER_755: it is to meet pain with an open heart and ask what healing may now become possible.

00:17:14 SPEAKER_755: Love leads to restitution and healing.

00:17:14 SPEAKER_755: This will not necessarily mean a passive acceptance of what is occurring,

00:17:17 SPEAKER_755: but we would expect that for many upon your planet to be able to open the heart in love after having been closed for so long,

00:17:18 SPEAKER_755: it will encourage a great motivation and attempt to gift the planet restitution and healing where these spheres of suffering have been allowed to be so pervasive and persist for so long.

00:17:21 SPEAKER_755: What is this?

00:17:31 SPEAKER_755: This is one of the most important teachings in the passage.

00:17:52 SPEAKER_755: Opening the heart means more than feeling warmth toward the world.

00:17:56 SPEAKER_755: An open heart desires healing.

00:17:56 SPEAKER_755: When suffering is truly seen, love seeks to restore: it seeks food for the hungry, homes and belonging for those without shelter, care for the lonely, and truth for communities; healing for the earth.

00:17:57 SPEAKER_755: Love becomes service because love can no longer turn away.

00:17:58 SPEAKER_755: Yes, yes.

00:18:03 SPEAKER_755: I mean, this sounds like my campaign material on the danger of spiritual bypassing.

00:18:09 SPEAKER_755: Oh, this is what Bill was just talking about:

00:18:17 SPEAKER_755: Those self-service entities who are drawn to the great potential upon your planet as it transitions from third to fourth density find great opportunity to practice their craft—you may say—of manipulation and finding new ways to

00:18:19 SPEAKER_464: energize the tendency of individuals to avoid suffering,

00:18:33 SPEAKER_755: to cover up that suffering, to even engage with what seems to be positive attitudes of spiritual seeking, and turn them towards a bypassing you may say of the suffering.

00:18:35 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo cautions: Yeah, that's for the people on the "spiritual path," quote unquote, who are like they can't deal with anything negative.

00:18:42 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, exactly.

00:18:45 SPEAKER_755: That is spiritual bypassing.

00:18:52 SPEAKER_755: Q'uo cautions that even spiritual seeking can become a means of turning away.

00:18:54 SPEAKER_755: Beautiful teachings, peaceful language, and ideas of unity can be used to avoid cries out for compassion and healing.

00:18:55 SPEAKER_755: A spiritual path bears good fruit when it makes the seeker more loving, more humble, more honest, more courageous, and more willing to serve.

00:19:00 SPEAKER_755: Openness, transparency, and words of love:

00:19:08 SPEAKER_755: More and more people will have their inward trajectory of avoidance shattered by the necessity to witness something that cannot be avoided—the necessity to finally grasp the suffering within the self and reckon with it through

00:19:15 SPEAKER_755: the energies of fourth density,

00:19:17 SPEAKER_755: which encourage openness and transparency and expression of the self through the eyes and words of love.

00:19:21 SPEAKER_755: Who describes the world in which avoidance becomes harder to sustain?

00:19:31 SPEAKER_755: Pain within the self, within the collective, rises into visibility, asking for a new response.

00:19:33 SPEAKER_755: The fourth density response is openness.

00:19:39 SPEAKER_755: It is transparency.

00:19:43 SPEAKER_755: It is the expression of love.

00:19:46 SPEAKER_755: It is the willingness to see suffering, to remain present, and to participate in healing.

00:19:51 SPEAKER_755: Points for seekers: seek the thread of love, discover this thread of love, and weave it into the tapestry of your social complexes.

00:19:52 SPEAKER_755: The seeker's work begins within the heart and extends into every relationship and community touched by one's life.

00:19:54 SPEAKER_755: Notice the paths of avoidance.

00:19:55 SPEAKER_755: There are many opportunities for distractions, for sedation, for avoidance.

00:20:01 SPEAKER_755: Ask whether your daily patterns help you become present to love, or carry you away from what the heart is asking you to face.

00:20:04 SPEAKER_755: Restore your relationship with the effects of your choices.

00:20:09 SPEAKER_755: You are quite removed from the reality of how your life influences others.

00:20:13 SPEAKER_755: Let spiritual awareness bring greater care into food, work, consumption, community, land, and service.

00:20:21 SPEAKER_755: Meet suffering through the eyes of love.

00:20:23 SPEAKER_755: Turn towards the suffering and take it in with the eyes of love.

00:20:26 SPEAKER_755: Well, this is...

00:20:27 SPEAKER_755: Wow, this is so long.

00:20:30 SPEAKER_755: Okay, all right.

00:20:32 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:20:34 SPEAKER_755: I think we've kind of squeezed the last drops out of this one.

00:20:37 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:20:38 SPEAKER_755: Okay, let's go on.

00:20:54 SPEAKER_755: Move on, move on, as my kids like to say.

00:21:01 SPEAKER_755: Um, there are many more questions.

00:21:08 SPEAKER_755: Cool.

00:21:08 SPEAKER_755: First, a quick housekeeping note.

00:21:11 SPEAKER_755: Oh, where are we?

00:21:17 SPEAKER_755: Um, there will just be two channels today.

00:21:24 SPEAKER_755: It seems so.

00:21:29 SPEAKER_755: You can divide up your time accordingly.

00:21:40 SPEAKER_755: Kind of related to the subject.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_755: It's complex.

00:21:51 SPEAKER_755: Apologies.

00:22:02 SPEAKER_755: In 12:28, Ra is talking about the purity of mind and the foolhardiness, bravery necessary for the higher density soul to wander to this planet.

00:22:07 SPEAKER_755: Then Ra adds the seemingly garbled statement: "The challenge, danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved,

00:22:18 SPEAKER_755: and thus be swept into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction."

00:22:20 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:22:36 SPEAKER_464: So instead of becoming the helper, they become the problem.

00:22:43 SPEAKER_464: Now, maelstrom can be defined as a powerful, violent whirlpool in the ocean or large body of water.

00:22:45 SPEAKER_464: The kind of swirling current that, in old sailor lore, can pull entire ships down into its spinning centre.

00:22:51 SPEAKER_464: Oh, Fred had a thing about this.

00:23:02 SPEAKER_464: It also connotes a chaotic, overwhelming situation, a convergence and whirl of intense emotions, events, or forces, a state where everything feels like it's spinning at once.

00:23:16 SPEAKER_464: That seems apt for our times, globally speaking.

00:23:25 SPEAKER_464: Can you speak to the choice of maelstrom in 12:28, and what that statement is trying to say?

00:23:30 SPEAKER_464: For your view to benefit, I will repeat the statement: "The challenge, danger of the Wanderer is that it will forget its mission, become karmically involved,

00:23:38 SPEAKER_464: and thus be swept up into the maelstrom from which it had incarnated to aid the destruction."

00:23:47 SPEAKER_464: I am cool, and I'm aware of the query, my brother.

00:23:52 SPEAKER_464: We may speak and elaborate more upon this particular passage, with the caveat that we are working with an instrument that has experienced much contemplation and engaged in much discourse around this,

00:24:00 SPEAKER_464: as you have worded it, garbled quotation.

00:24:12 SPEAKER_464: Indeed, we would find that the words used in this passage are confusing and inadequate, and we may not speak necessarily to their original intention, but rather can reflect upon them as you have presented them,

00:24:17 SPEAKER_464: with a focus upon the notion of a Wanderer incarnating and being swept away.

00:24:29 SPEAKER_464: You may say into the maelstrom.

00:24:43 SPEAKER_464: This is the aspect of the quote that we feel is most important: that the Wanderer, that soul from a higher density who has already experienced third density,

00:24:56 SPEAKER_464: may look upon the incarnational plan to travel back and wander into the third density with some strong desire to serve, and this desire to serve can be overpowering, even overwhelming,

00:25:00 SPEAKER_464: for this higher density entity generating the motivation to then incarnate and attempt to serve a planetary population such as yours that has found itself swirling.

00:25:08 SPEAKER_464: You may say, with a certain style of regression and catalyst presented by that regression.

00:25:20 SPEAKER_464: This can create a very powerful pull, and as a Wanderer takes upon the full forgetting of third density,

00:25:31 SPEAKER_464: it is not necessarily equipped with the perspective that allowed it to make the decision to incarnate—the perspective that would then encourage it to focus its effort upon service.

00:25:37 SPEAKER_464: One pointedly, rather, the Wanderer must awaken to its nature within the incarnation, and it is often forced.

00:25:52 SPEAKER_464: We correct this instrument forgotten in a sense by the higher density entity.

00:26:06 SPEAKER_464: Just how powerful this so-called maelstrom can be, and we find your description of the maelstrom to be quite adept, quite apt, in that there is a circular nation—a swirling—that becomes disorienting.

00:26:22 SPEAKER_464: This is indicative of the patterns that unfold upon a planet such as yours, where there is a certain entrapped nature of these energies.

00:26:22 SPEAKER_464: They are stuck in a certain cycle, and the cycle grows more and more powerful to the point where it seems to be swirling and grabbing everything within its path, pulling it into its own pattern.

00:26:27 SPEAKER_464: Entities who incarnate within your society may incarnate with the purity of intention, but then they must grow within the society.

00:26:31 SPEAKER_464: They must take upon themselves the distortions of the society.

00:26:33 SPEAKER_464: It is hoped for by the Wanderer that they can adopt these distortions while maintaining the connection to that original desire that caused them to incarnate—that cause them to incarnate—but if these patterns become so powerful,

00:26:38 SPEAKER_464: they may override this desire.

00:26:38 SPEAKER_464: You may say, or at least cover it up from the perception of the entity, and they too will then get trapped within these patterns and these cycles.

00:26:41 SPEAKER_464: This is why the word choice and description of the maelstrom is so apt,

00:26:43 SPEAKER_464: because there is a certain current that is repeating certain cycles that continue to be bolstered by fourth density energies that cause the regression and the exacerbation of great crystallization of these patterns.

00:26:46 SPEAKER_464: We would name some of these patterns as bellicosity and the tendency towards self-protection, the tendency towards projecting insecurities and judgments outward,

00:26:47 SPEAKER_464: and the ignoring of the self that is reflected by the other—to the garbled nature of this quotation, we cannot speak further to the potential of any hidden meaning within how these words are arranged,

00:27:03 SPEAKER_464: but rather emphasize that we, as Q'uo, in this moment through this instrument, wish to place emphasis upon the dynamic we have described and how the maelstrom affects the Wanderer,

00:27:13 SPEAKER_464: rather than the seeming confusion of how the sentence itself is arranged.

00:27:18 SPEAKER_464: Any follow-up?

00:27:37 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:27:39 SPEAKER_464: Did I don't know.

00:27:42 SPEAKER_464: Is this a follow-up?

00:27:47 SPEAKER_464: I guess we can kind of parse that out.

00:27:48 SPEAKER_464: All right.

00:27:52 SPEAKER_464: So, what do you guys think?

00:27:56 SPEAKER_464: It's kind of self-explanatory.

00:27:58 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah, that's what I think too.

00:28:04 SPEAKER_755: I'm just wondering: The Wanderer came to help, and you know, this place is so confusing, and you get stuck in third density with the veil, and you know,

00:28:07 SPEAKER_755: you're in danger of forgetting everything and just being caught up in the chaotic cycle of the stuff going on on this planet.

00:28:09 SPEAKER_755: Says what pulls the Wanderer away?

00:28:10 SPEAKER_755: If these patterns become so powerful, at least they cover it up from the perception of the entity, and they too then get trapped within the patterns: The velocity and the tendency towards self-protection,

00:28:17 SPEAKER_755: tendency towards protecting insecurities and judgment outwards, and ignoring the self that is reflected by the other.

00:28:24 SPEAKER_755: So, points for seeker.

00:28:26 SPEAKER_755: Remember the original desire to serve.

00:28:29 SPEAKER_755: Recognize the current before it carries you; examining the self reflected by the other.

00:28:35 SPEAKER_755: Ignore...

00:28:36 SPEAKER_755: Okay, yeah, because you want to see yourself in the other.

00:28:41 SPEAKER_755: Well, you want to see what others mirror to you.

00:28:45 SPEAKER_755: Yes, exactly, exactly.

00:28:47 SPEAKER_464: Because otherwise you start to get offended.

00:28:52 SPEAKER_464: You start to project your insecurities and your judgments.

00:28:56 SPEAKER_464: Yes, yes; instead of looking at yourself.

00:29:08 SPEAKER_755: Uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:29:10 SPEAKER_755: Which is exactly what Q'uo said.

00:29:26 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, I'm cool, and I'm aware of the query, my brother.

00:29:29 SPEAKER_755: We may speak and elaborate.

00:29:38 SPEAKER_755: Oh, sorry.

00:29:43 SPEAKER_755: We already did that.

00:29:49 SPEAKER_755: Okay.

00:29:54 SPEAKER_755: Um, where's the next?

00:30:06 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, I didn't expect that there was any riddles.

00:30:10 SPEAKER_755: Oh, okay.

00:30:19 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:30:27 SPEAKER_755: Okay.

00:31:00 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I didn't expect that there is any riddle there or hidden meaning, but rather just that the syntax got messed up in transmission.

00:31:11 SPEAKER_464: But it's only a guess.

00:31:13 SPEAKER_464: Yes, in my personal opinion, there seems to be widespread confusion regarding differentiating behaviours that exhibit as service to self and those that exhibit as service to others,

00:31:15 SPEAKER_464: even and especially among those awakening to spiritual reality.

00:31:27 SPEAKER_464: Not that we can easily know how the heart of another self or what their ultimate polarity may be, much less what the polarized intention of any given action is,

00:31:31 SPEAKER_464: but some outer actions and behaviours clearly ring with power over others with intent to dominate, while other actions and behaviours ring with compassion for others with intent to uplift.

00:31:42 SPEAKER_464: Can you speak to the planetary confusion and whether perhaps this also connects to the maelstrom?

00:31:56 SPEAKER_464: What that wanderer risks being swept into, thereby inadvertently supporting a destruction that they incarnated to prevent.

00:32:11 SPEAKER_464: I am Q'uo, and we believe we grasp the heart of your query.

00:32:17 SPEAKER_464: We find the identification of energies with seeming service-to-self tendencies to be quite congruent with the idea that fourth-density energies coming to your planet cause a regression,

00:32:23 SPEAKER_464: particularly when framed as a regression into the lower energy centres.

00:32:30 SPEAKER_464: This seeming connection is due to the fact that for an entity to polarize service to self, there is need to master—you may say—the energies of these lower energy centres towards a certain end.

00:32:47 SPEAKER_464: There is a need through a great strength of will to avoid and close off from the self that influence of the green ray that would be experienced within the heart chakra of the entity,

00:32:55 SPEAKER_464: and instead bolster the energies of the lower energy centres.

00:32:58 SPEAKER_464: Absent this, absent of this green ray influence,

00:32:59 SPEAKER_464: the behaviours that are indicative of these patterns present within the orange and yellow ray chakras in particular may look almost identical to the behaviours of a polarizing service-to-self entity because they exist within the same

00:33:03 SPEAKER_464: realm of so-called development within the self.

00:33:12 SPEAKER_464: They are of the same energy.

00:33:15 SPEAKER_464: You may say...

00:33:17 SPEAKER_464: However, the service-to-self entity utilises these energies in various conscious, intentional and deliberate fashion.

00:33:27 SPEAKER_464: An otherwise asleep or perhaps even service-to-others oriented individual who experiences this regression may fall into similar patterns that are expressed by the service-to-self entity but do so most unconsciously or mindlessly.

00:33:32 SPEAKER_464: Consciously or mindlessly?

00:33:42 SPEAKER_464: In order for these behaviours to be truly utilised for service-to-self polarization, they must be done with full intention and full awareness.

00:33:43 SPEAKER_464: This can sometimes come from the pull of this maelstrom; the otherwise positive individual being swept away into these patterns, and then through the unconscious unfolding of these patterns,

00:33:48 SPEAKER_464: they tap into certain power that is alluring, a certain understanding of the capacity of these energies to access the One Infinite Creator in their own way,

00:33:52 SPEAKER_464: to provide the power available to the individual without the necessity of opening the heart.

00:33:53 SPEAKER_464: This may then cause such wanderers to forget their original polarization.

00:34:08 SPEAKER_464: You may say it allows their original polarization to be faint and its influence is thought into rather the nature of service-to-self being cultivated by the unfolding of these patterns and experience of true spiritual connection

00:34:27 SPEAKER_464: that is still available through these patterns.

00:34:33 SPEAKER_464: We believe that this is related to the heart of your query, but ask if this has been adequately addressed.

00:34:46 SPEAKER_755: What you are hoping to ask about?

00:35:00 SPEAKER_755: All right.

00:35:02 SPEAKER_755: Did you guys get that?

00:35:05 SPEAKER_755: Well, Gary goes on to say he thinks Q'uo answered the question in an excellent way.

00:35:09 SPEAKER_755: Okay, great.

00:35:13 SPEAKER_755: Okay, so clearly they're able to understand the responses.

00:35:19 SPEAKER_755: It sounded like that.

00:35:29 SPEAKER_755: You know positive entities can come and be confused for service-to-self beings faking positivity or because of the maelstrom you kind of get what Kala was talking about.

00:35:33 SPEAKER_755: I mean Ra was talking about when he talked about the couple that came in from Venus and switched their polarity.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_755: Yes, yes they became service to self.

00:35:50 SPEAKER_755: Kind of get that.

00:35:52 SPEAKER_755: Here Q'uo distinguishes between consciously chosen service-to-self and unconscious regression of a positively oriented person into similar patterns.

00:35:58 SPEAKER_755: Fear, self-protection, domination and group conflict may resemble negative polarity because they draw upon the same orange and yellow ray energies separated from influence of the open heart.

00:36:04 SPEAKER_755: The danger for wanderers and seekers is that these energies can feel powerful and spiritually significant.

00:36:14 SPEAKER_755: Through the maelstrom an entity originally oriented towards service to others may gradually lose sight of the heart and begin cultivating power apart from compassion.

00:36:24 SPEAKER_755: The behaviours that are indicative of these patterns present within the orange and yellow ray chakras in particular may look almost identical to the behaviours of a polarizing service-to-self entity because they exist within the same

00:36:28 SPEAKER_755: realm of so-called development within the self.

00:36:31 SPEAKER_755: They are the same energy you may say who acknowledges why planetary confusion arises?

00:36:38 SPEAKER_755: A fearful or reactive person may display behaviours resembling service to self.

00:36:40 SPEAKER_755: Well I mean fear is kind of on the service-to-self spectrum there, the service-to-self entities utilise these energies in a very conscious intentional and deliberate fashion.

00:36:42 SPEAKER_755: And otherwise asleep or perhaps even service-to-others oriented individual who experiences this regression may fall into similar pattern expressed by service-to-self entity but do so mostly unconsciously or mindlessly.

00:36:44 SPEAKER_755: Power without the open heart through great strength of will,

00:36:50 SPEAKER_755: the service-to-self entity seeks to avoid and close off from self that influence of green ray that would be experienced within the heart chakra of the entity and instead bolster energies of lower energy centre absent

00:36:54 SPEAKER_755: of this green ray influence.

00:36:57 SPEAKER_755: The key distinction is the heart: service-to-others opens into compassion unity and care for other selves.

00:36:57 SPEAKER_755: Service-to-self develops power through separation control and deliberate exclusion of green-ray love.

00:36:58 SPEAKER_755: Yet lower ray power can still feel compelling to a confused seeker.

00:36:59 SPEAKER_755: They tap into certain power that is alluring,

00:37:13 SPEAKER_755: a certain understanding of capacity of these energies to access the One Infinite Creator in their own way to provide power available to individual without necessity of opening heart.

00:37:25 SPEAKER_464: Kala's warning that spiritual power alone is an incomplete guide.

00:37:29 SPEAKER_464: Power can be experienced through control certainty group identity conflict and domination.

00:37:44 SPEAKER_464: The heart reveals orientation of that power.

00:37:48 SPEAKER_464: Would that last sentence be kind of answer to what Adam kind of asked or stated?

00:37:54 SPEAKER_464: Could you clarify?

00:38:06 SPEAKER_464: I'm having trouble understanding this.

00:38:12 SPEAKER_464: To be honest yeah Bakala's warning is that spiritual power alone is an incomplete guide.

00:38:19 SPEAKER_464: Power can be experienced through control certainty group identity conflict and domination.

00:38:25 SPEAKER_464: The heart reveals orientation of the power.

00:38:35 SPEAKER_464: Yes.

00:38:37 SPEAKER_464: What was your comment Adam?

00:38:52 SPEAKER_464: What was that?

00:38:56 SPEAKER_464: What was your comment?

00:39:07 SPEAKER_755: Oh it sounds like we could be confused as positive beings that negative beings could fake positivity,

00:39:11 SPEAKER_755: and then because you know when you're in your love and unconditional place well when you go speak with a negative being it can be very hard to feel like they're a negative being consciously.

00:39:19 SPEAKER_755: Well that's the whole manipulation thing right?

00:39:25 SPEAKER_755: Well you know way I my way of differentiating is if person doing fear anger control versus forgiveness love acceptance Like that seems pretty opposite polarities So but sometimes they fake fear anger and control But

00:39:26 SPEAKER_755: if they faking fear anger why would it just be service to others being about truthful?

00:39:30 SPEAKER_755: So if you're faking then you leaning towards service-to-self Yeah but it's like how do you know when dealing with some certain entities Well I mean I don't Know Like if they are promoting fear anger

00:39:33 SPEAKER_755: control then they either in sinkhole of indifference or they're service-to-self That my understanding And if they promoting forgiveness love acceptance much more likely to be service-to-others because forgiveness love and acceptance doesn't yield control power

00:39:51 SPEAKER_464: over others But sometimes those but sometimes those entities not transparent Okay can you give example?

00:40:01 SPEAKER_464: Well, it may take a while if you deal with somebody that acts a certain way, and you know they're cool, loving, righteous, but really their intent is to control and manipulate you.

00:40:17 SPEAKER_464: You might not find out about their intention until you're kind of stuck in their little world.

00:40:27 SPEAKER_464: I guess I don't have any personal experience to draw upon in this regard.

00:40:32 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

00:40:36 SPEAKER_463: Well, you haven't been fully suckered into anything, I guess.

00:40:41 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, I guess.

00:40:42 SPEAKER_463: I mean, like you know, service-to-self individuals.

00:40:44 SPEAKER_463: You know, I think about like Bill Gates.

00:40:49 SPEAKER_463: You know, claiming he's doing good by vaccinating people, then obviously not vaccinating himself.

00:40:53 SPEAKER_755: Okay, go ahead, fellow jester.

00:40:59 SPEAKER_463: You need to unmute first.

00:41:02 SPEAKER_463: We can't hear you.

00:41:08 SPEAKER_463: It's um, if you click on the screen, there should be a little microphone.

00:41:11 SPEAKER_463: You got to hit it, and then it should stop being crossed out.

00:41:17 SPEAKER_463: Oh, it's Shar.

00:41:21 SPEAKER_463: Shar, hey Shar.

00:41:26 SPEAKER_463: But yeah, you're still muted.

00:41:28 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, you gotta unmute, and then we'll be able...

00:41:29 SPEAKER_463: You can't unmute.

00:41:31 SPEAKER_463: Uh, can you find the little microphone?

00:41:35 SPEAKER_463: Because we did hear you before.

00:41:36 SPEAKER_463: You said wrong.

00:41:46 SPEAKER_463: So I mean, uh, still figure it out.

00:41:48 SPEAKER_463: I—you know what I can—I can ask her to unmute.

00:41:50 SPEAKER_463: Ask to unmute.

00:41:53 SPEAKER_463: Hello.

00:42:05 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:42:14 SPEAKER_463: Hey.

00:42:14 SPEAKER_463: Oh, here we go.

00:42:19 SPEAKER_463: I heard you're hanging out with the...

00:42:19 SPEAKER_463: I heard you're going to be hanging out with a Rom.

00:42:20 SPEAKER_463: Oh yeah, she's coming next week, I guess.

00:42:21 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:42:24 SPEAKER_463: I wanted to give an example of exactly what you guys were talking about, and it happens in relationships: like somebody says, "I leave you," and the other person says, "Oh,

00:42:25 SPEAKER_463: I'm gonna kill myself or I'm gonna do so-and-so if you leave me."

00:42:32 SPEAKER_463: Right?

00:42:33 SPEAKER_463: Well, yeah, that's fear, anger, control, right there.

00:42:34 SPEAKER_463: That's right.

00:42:37 SPEAKER_463: So that was an example of service-to-self.

00:42:38 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:42:41 SPEAKER_463: For sure.

00:42:49 SPEAKER_463: So that's a great example of service-to-self.

00:42:53 SPEAKER_463: But I don't think that's where it gets confusing.

00:42:57 SPEAKER_463: That's clear.

00:43:03 SPEAKER_463: That's clearly service-to-self.

00:43:03 SPEAKER_463: Like no one's gonna think that's service to others, you know what I mean?

00:43:05 SPEAKER_463: Well, I—I don't know.

00:43:09 SPEAKER_463: It does get...

00:43:10 SPEAKER_463: You would be amazed how people think they love and everything.

00:43:11 SPEAKER_463: You know, it's just like one of those things that you don't understand.

00:43:12 SPEAKER_463: Depending on the amount of love: "I don't want to leave you; I don't want you to leave me."

00:43:17 SPEAKER_463: Because I—I mean, I have the Libdex.

00:43:21 SPEAKER_463: Can you mute me back, please, Andre?

00:43:24 SPEAKER_463: Oh, I can't mute you, but you can mute yourself.

00:43:29 SPEAKER_463: Oh, wait, hold on.

00:43:30 SPEAKER_463: Maybe I can mute you.

00:43:31 SPEAKER_463: Hold on a second.

00:43:34 SPEAKER_463: You're the moderator; I am the moderator.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:43:44 SPEAKER_463: So...

00:43:45 SPEAKER_463: Put that down.

00:43:46 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

00:43:49 SPEAKER_463: I can.

00:43:50 SPEAKER_463: Uh, it's just that here it says you are muted.

00:43:51 SPEAKER_463: As you are muted, and so you have to refresh your browser or something.

00:43:52 SPEAKER_463: No, you can mute/unmute her and then mute again.

00:43:53 SPEAKER_463: I can't; I can only ask her.

00:43:55 SPEAKER_463: Okay, now I can mute her.

00:43:57 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:44:00 SPEAKER_463: Now she's muted.

00:44:00 SPEAKER_463: Oh.

00:44:09 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:44:10 SPEAKER_463: There we go.

00:44:11 SPEAKER_463: Great.

00:44:13 SPEAKER_463: So, um, what was the question?

00:44:14 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:44:21 SPEAKER_463: Well, maybe we can get an example from Chaggy Petit.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_463: Outer behaviour alone reveals only part of the pattern; they may fall into similar patterns, mostly unconsciously or mindlessly.

00:44:28 SPEAKER_463: Discern behaviour clearly while leaving room for the hidden complexity of another soul's intention and path: so like a service-to-other person could fall into fear-based language unintentionally because they're still working with those yellow, orange,

00:44:42 SPEAKER_463: red stuff.

00:44:46 SPEAKER_463: Test power by the presence of the heart—power available to an individual without the necessity of opening the heart; spiritual intensity, confidence, influence, or certainty.

00:44:52 SPEAKER_463: Gain positive orientation through compassion, humility, and care for others.

00:44:57 SPEAKER_463: Watch for the allure of fear-based strength: they tap into a certain power that is alluring.

00:45:00 SPEAKER_463: Conflict and separation can produce a compelling feeling of purpose.

00:45:02 SPEAKER_463: The seeker returns continuity to love, mercy, and service.

00:45:07 SPEAKER_463: The original polarization may be faint in its influence.

00:45:10 SPEAKER_463: When the world draws the seeker towards fear and domination, the path home is the remembered desire to serve, uplift, heal, and recognize the Creator in others' selves—the Creator in other selves.

00:45:13 SPEAKER_463: Closing: Kuo teaches that planetary confusion arises because unconscious regression can look very much like conscious service-to-self.

00:45:17 SPEAKER_463: For the wanderer, the central safeguard is the open heart.

00:45:28 SPEAKER_463: Power, spiritual experience, and conviction find their positive orientation when joined with compassion and genuine service to others.

00:45:35 SPEAKER_463: And that was what it's really all about—dealing with the planetary maelstrom.

00:45:39 SPEAKER_463: That's all this Melstrom and everything kind of is about.

00:45:46 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:52 SPEAKER_463: Without you know having the Confederation lay it all out simply, I could see how a lot of people can get very confused.

00:45:56 SPEAKER_463: Well, I mean, they—they kind of just... in AI analysis basically say: "You just got to keep an open heart."

00:45:59 SPEAKER_464: Exactly.

00:46:12 SPEAKER_464: Is your best defence against the Melstrom?

00:46:13 SPEAKER_991: Yes; the central safeguard is the open heart.

00:46:13 SPEAKER_991: That's right.

00:46:16 SPEAKER_991: If you're in a place of compassion, love, and kindness for others, you're on the service path.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_991: And you would tend to have an open heart.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_991: Yeah.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_991: Well, yeah.

00:46:26 SPEAKER_991: That kind of makes the difference there.

00:46:26 SPEAKER_991: All right.

00:46:32 SPEAKER_991: Let me just express gratitude for wending your ways to these complex questions.

00:46:32 SPEAKER_991: It is an honour to be able to ask questions of you, Kuo; and in my opinion, your responses have been excellent regarding the question.

00:46:33 SPEAKER_991: Everything you said made total sense to me.

00:46:36 SPEAKER_991: I realize I did not aim my question properly, however.

00:46:36 SPEAKER_991: It was more about confusion in perception among those I judge to be positive—even positively oriented wanders—particularly regarding leadership and public figures/political figures; aligning oneself with these leaders who,

00:46:42 SPEAKER_991: in my opinion... for what it's worth... don't align with positive values, even though they exist within the positive person.

00:46:52 SPEAKER_991: And this—I maybe've got this wrong of it—who knows?

00:46:57 SPEAKER_991: But presuming I'm seeing some pattern: is this confusion in perception connected to this maelstrom, as it were?

00:47:01 SPEAKER_991: Oh, I think that Gary's asking is like: "What about people who support Trump or something like that?"

00:47:11 SPEAKER_991: Could be.

00:47:16 SPEAKER_755: Go ahead, Bill; I'll just be right back.

00:47:20 SPEAKER_991: I need to get more water, but you can keep reading.

00:47:21 SPEAKER_991: Okay.

00:47:29 SPEAKER_991: I am Kuo and am aware of this query, my brother.

00:47:37 SPEAKER_991: And we appreciate this clarification for it allows us to explore this dynamic that we have already been exploring to a deeper degree.

00:47:39 SPEAKER_991: And indeed, we would affirm there is a strong central connection between what you identify as confusion on the part of the positive individual;

00:47:40 SPEAKER_991: we would take a moment and request that the questioner and reader attempt to relieve themselves of any particular situation or circumstance in which they might apply this dynamic.

00:47:41 SPEAKER_991: For we are able to speak more freely with the understanding that our words are received in a general sense,

00:47:46 SPEAKER_991: and that we are not offering commentary upon "the planetary gain," as we have called it within your question; yet we do recognize great truth of this dynamic.

00:47:51 SPEAKER_991: The maelstrom, as it has been called, indeed does pull all entities into it.

00:48:01 SPEAKER_464: The capacity of each entity to withstand—or perhaps you may say, become aware of—the currents of the maelstrom and thus be able to navigate them is quite individual.

00:48:11 SPEAKER_464: For the positive individual who maintains that desire to serve others—who does not lose sight of the guiding star—he may speak of compassion and love—still may be trapped within patterns exacerbated by the Melstrom.

00:48:26 SPEAKER_464: They may be pulled in by patterns indicative of more negative expression of orange and yellow ray thinking, particularly that of Bellocosti: attitudes that encourage separation, fear, and othering of your other selves.

00:48:41 SPEAKER_464: You may say: "The desire to see them has less than these attitudes are not necessarily from the positive entity."

00:48:46 SPEAKER_464: The service-to-others entity may have such attitudes unconsciously when they are swept away into the Melstrom.

00:48:51 SPEAKER_464: But though they maintain a desire to serve others, their desire is projected outwards.

00:49:06 SPEAKER_464: They look upon situations, circumstances, so-called solutions, people, or personalities that in truth indicate service-to-self energies of lower energy centres;

00:49:17 SPEAKER_464: but instead see within them their inner desire to serve others due to this projecting of their own distortions—and thus there is a conflation of the positive/radiant and the impending transformation into an environment of love

00:49:22 SPEAKER_464: and understanding with a situation—or circumstance,

00:49:35 SPEAKER_464: or individual—that more rightly expresses and exacerbates these patterns of confusion, or perhaps even crystalline patterns of self-service within lower energy centres.

00:49:37 SPEAKER_464: Does this adequately address your query, my brother?

00:49:47 SPEAKER_464: And Gary says it does.

00:49:54 SPEAKER_464: Thank you so much.

00:50:09 SPEAKER_464: Go.

00:50:20 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:50:36 SPEAKER_464: Awesome.

00:50:43 SPEAKER_464: Thank you.

00:50:49 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:50:50 SPEAKER_464: I made it back before you finished.

00:50:50 SPEAKER_464: All right.

00:50:51 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:50:52 SPEAKER_464: So now let's do this one.

00:50:53 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:50:56 SPEAKER_464: Now for this one.

00:50:58 SPEAKER_464: So, what did you guys think of it?

00:50:58 SPEAKER_464: Because you guys heard it.

00:50:59 SPEAKER_464: Does pull all entities in?

00:51:03 SPEAKER_464: The cool affirms that even a positively oriented person may become caught in the maelstrom of fear, separation, lower ray thinking.

00:51:05 SPEAKER_464: May sincerely desire to serve others, while projecting that desire onto leaders, movements, or solutions that more truly express domination, othering, and self-serving.

00:51:07 SPEAKER_464: Othering and self-service.

00:51:11 SPEAKER_464: The danger is subtle.

00:51:14 SPEAKER_464: Compassion remains in the heart, yet discernment becomes clouded by the surrounding current.

00:51:17 SPEAKER_464: The maelstrom, as it has been called, indeed does pull all entities into it.

00:51:25 SPEAKER_464: The capacity of each entity to withstand, or perhaps you may say, become aware of the currents of the maelstrom and thus be able to navigate them, is quite individual.

00:51:42 SPEAKER_755: Who cautions against assuming positive orientation automatically grants clear perception.

00:51:48 SPEAKER_755: Every seeker remains vulnerable to collective fear, conflict, and confusion.

00:51:49 SPEAKER_755: Love can remain, while perception becomes distorted.

00:51:59 SPEAKER_755: The positive individual, who may maintain the desire to serve others, who does not lose sight of the guiding star—you may say—of compassion and love,

00:52:10 SPEAKER_755: still may be trapped within patterns that are exacerbated by this maelstrom.

00:52:12 SPEAKER_755: May be trapped with... [unclear] ...trapped within patterns that are exacerbated by this maelstrom.

00:52:15 SPEAKER_755: A person can continue to care deeply about others while becoming drawn into patterns that diminish fear or attack other selves.

00:52:20 SPEAKER_755: They may be pulled in by the patterns indicative of the more negative expression of orange and yellow ray thinking, particularly that of bellicosity, attitudes that encourage separation and fear, and othering of other selves.

00:52:23 SPEAKER_755: You may say the desire to see them as less than any movement that depends upon degrading other human beings calls for serious spiritual discernment, regardless of how hopeful its promises may sound.

00:52:36 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, that's like a lot of unfortunate things in history.

00:52:39 SPEAKER_755: Distinguish your hope from the object of your hope.

00:52:55 SPEAKER_755: They may see within them inner desire to serve others.

00:53:08 SPEAKER_755: The seeker may bring love to a cause, personality, or solution whose underlying orientation expresses control or separation.

00:53:11 SPEAKER_755: Look at the fruit itself rather than the goodness one longs to see within it.

00:53:20 SPEAKER_755: Yes, you know what?

00:53:27 SPEAKER_755: This was, I think, David Wilcock's ultimate issue: is that he—he was like pushing this whole white hat thing that Trump was going to save everybody.

00:53:39 SPEAKER_755: Was gonna save everybody, and it just—you know—well, especially this year.

00:53:42 SPEAKER_755: No, I—I think he ran out of money and he didn't know what to do.

00:53:45 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah, no, but it's—it's just that—that was another element of it.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_755: That was another.

00:54:01 SPEAKER_755: I think that was the most element of it.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_755: He ran out of money.

00:54:17 SPEAKER_755: It's just that—you know—it's just like that.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_755: That's such absurd financial incompetence.

00:54:28 SPEAKER_755: Like he did not know he could file for bankruptcy.

00:54:34 SPEAKER_755: Shark, go ahead.

00:54:40 SPEAKER_755: Um...

00:54:50 SPEAKER_755: I want to change the subject from politics to a question about David Wilcock, if you don't mind.

00:54:56 SPEAKER_755: Sure.

00:55:02 SPEAKER_755: Um...

00:55:10 SPEAKER_755: Now you seem like you know—you're educated about David Wilcock.

00:55:14 SPEAKER_755: Have you ever heard about meditating under the pyramids gonna intensify the catalyst?

00:55:16 SPEAKER_755: He said in one of his sessions, but I don't remember exactly where.

00:55:30 SPEAKER_755: Okay.

00:55:36 SPEAKER_755: Have you heard it?

00:55:42 SPEAKER_755: It—it's in the raw contact as well, and—and we have discussed it actually a lot on Monday a couple weeks ago.

00:55:48 SPEAKER_755: Okay, that's good because every time I say it, nobody heard about it.

00:55:49 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, no, it's in the raw contact, um...

00:55:52 SPEAKER_755: And it—actually—it says to be like you could put a little pyramid under where you're meditating actually, or you could meditate inside a pyramid.

00:55:54 SPEAKER_755: But yeah, that part is said.

00:55:58 SPEAKER_755: But if it says that—if you want the catalyst—that you receive—is intensified, then you go under.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_755: Yes.

00:56:05 SPEAKER_755: So you're saying David Wilcock's catalyst was intensified?

00:56:06 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, he said five times intensified, and he warned: If you are not ready for a harsh catalyst, don't go meditate under a pyramid.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_755: Okay, cool.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_755: Yeah...

00:56:15 SPEAKER_755: Well, I'll tell you what.

00:56:18 SPEAKER_755: The biggest telling thing to me was when I listened to the police phone call when he killed himself—ran to the cops—and they kept calling Elizabeth.

00:56:21 SPEAKER_755: Remember his ex-wife?

00:56:25 SPEAKER_755: And she kept hanging up on him.

00:56:25 SPEAKER_755: She kept hanging up on the cops.

00:56:26 SPEAKER_755: So this tells me that whatever Wilcock's state of mind was in, his ex-wife Elizabeth—which you know we saw a whole bunch of—if you follow David Wilcock—wanted nothing to do with David.

00:56:27 SPEAKER_755: Yeah...

00:56:36 SPEAKER_755: So I think she—and I would say—that's a really good barometer.

00:56:41 SPEAKER_755: To—to—I think she just thought this guy is just out there and he's just gone deep overboard, and she didn't want to have anything to do with it.

00:56:56 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:06 SPEAKER_755: He was getting his money.

00:57:06 SPEAKER_755: He was getting millions from scammers.

00:57:10 SPEAKER_755: I mean—he—was really like... he caused his own problems.

00:57:19 SPEAKER_755: Yeah—that reaction.

00:57:20 SPEAKER_755: He had a gambling problem, and it got really bad.

00:57:20 SPEAKER_755: But that kind of reaction by a significant other is probably more telling to me than anything else.

00:57:22 SPEAKER_755: Yeah...

00:57:36 SPEAKER_755: And financial difficulties are one of the number one things that especially people in America fight over.

00:57:39 SPEAKER_755: Hey—I'm close.

00:57:44 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, I think after his divorce he went to that secluded house in a mountain or something, and he started acting so weird.

00:58:03 SPEAKER_464: Yes—like it affected him so much.

00:58:04 SPEAKER_464: Like he became a little bit crazy.

00:58:08 SPEAKER_464: Yes—and there were many people that said they reached out to him to see if they can help.

00:58:15 SPEAKER_464: Uh-huh...

00:58:17 SPEAKER_464: And—he had all kinds of support.

00:58:21 SPEAKER_464: He just didn't leave.

00:58:23 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, he didn't accept it.

00:58:29 SPEAKER_464: Even the dog that was there—was gone because when the cops were there, they didn't say anything about a dog.

00:58:30 SPEAKER_464: Like I'm sure they would have said, "Hey, there's a dog here.

00:58:35 SPEAKER_464: We got to deal with."

00:58:42 SPEAKER_464: Yeah... fair enough.

00:58:49 SPEAKER_464: Maybe he couldn't afford to feed the dog?

00:58:51 SPEAKER_464: Yeah—he just—I think he just lost it.

00:58:59 SPEAKER_464: Yeah—maybe.

00:59:01 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

00:59:04 SPEAKER_991: It—it was quite an unfortunate thing that happened.

00:59:12 SPEAKER_991: Yeah...

00:59:19 SPEAKER_991: All right.

00:59:22 SPEAKER_991: So let compassion remain the guiding star.

00:59:25 SPEAKER_991: The guiding star: compassion and love, everybody.

00:59:37 SPEAKER_1108: And you missed it in the answer—but they kind of said, going with the politics—they wanted to make a general answer about the guy who's what they say is the connection.

00:59:41 SPEAKER_1108: Well, they were saying—in a general sense—and that we are not offering commentary upon the planetary game.

00:59:43 SPEAKER_1108: So... so they wanted to just make a general answer, and like you suggested, Andre—maybe the guy was thinking about Trump or whatever?

00:59:46 SPEAKER_1108: Yeah, yeah...

00:59:49 SPEAKER_464: Kuo specifically said that we are not offering commentary on the planetary game because it is a game, and there's lots of confusion in it.

00:59:52 SPEAKER_464: Yes—for sure, for sure...

00:59:53 SPEAKER_464: And we got to figure it out ourselves—they're not here to figure it out for us.

00:59:55 SPEAKER_464: No—yeah, they're more like giving us general guidelines or the rubric or whatever.

00:59:56 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:59:57 SPEAKER_464: Final question.

01:00:00 SPEAKER_464: Let me check the instrument first before I choose which direction I want to go.

01:00:02 SPEAKER_464: Is the open instrument open?

01:00:10 SPEAKER_464: To what could be a substantial question, medium substantial, not big complex one.

01:00:15 SPEAKER_464: Gauge the energy, though we may assess receiving query.

01:00:17 SPEAKER_464: Okay, it is about telepathy tapes.

01:00:22 SPEAKER_464: Okay, there it is.

01:00:38 SPEAKER_464: In this particular podcast series, which has gained some attention, it features what, in conventional terms, we would describe as non-verbal autistic children who seem to exhibit telepathy.

01:00:39 SPEAKER_991: Exhibit telepathic ability; moreover, the ability to meet in what, in my Law of One brain might describe as time-space together, to meet in a non-physical realm, and communicate with one another, and so forth.

01:01:03 SPEAKER_464: It's very intriguing, and I'm wondering if you can speak to these children and what they represent.

01:01:05 SPEAKER_464: Might these be dual activated beings?

01:01:10 SPEAKER_464: Might they be wayshowers in the sense of the arrival of fourth density, and so forth?

01:01:15 SPEAKER_464: I am Kua.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_464: I am Q'uo, and am aware of the query, my brother.

01:01:23 SPEAKER_464: We feel that we can address this query somewhat, but recognize that there is a richness to these questions, to this question that may be mined and explored with further questioning at a later time.

01:01:29 SPEAKER_464: And before addressing this query directly, we would offer a caveat or make a certain request,

01:01:30 SPEAKER_464: and that is related to the tendency of your peoples to wish to classify and name and put things into certain orders that can be easily grasped.

01:01:36 SPEAKER_464: We find this dynamic to be quite present within the attempt to reconcile and understand the phenomena explored by what you have called telepathy tapes.

01:01:40 SPEAKER_464: For within the phenomena explored in this great creation, there is a great variety of expression of the One Infinite Creator in different ways.

01:01:43 SPEAKER_464: This includes both in the capacity of those individuals highlighted within these stories, but also their natures themselves.

01:01:44 SPEAKER_464: There is no way for you to say that classifies these abilities or these individuals; however, we can speak somewhat directly from our own observations that, in our understanding and perception,

01:01:53 SPEAKER_463: many of these individuals—many of them young—are indeed those who have been defined as dual-activated entities, having the capacity within to operate both a third-density body and a fourth-density body.

01:02:12 SPEAKER_463: We have observed what you may say is the somewhat difficult experience of these individuals within the environment of your troubled third density as it attempts to reckon with the fourth density,

01:02:20 SPEAKER_463: and we would point out that the nature of this difficulty is not necessarily caused by the neurological configuration of these entities,

01:02:25 SPEAKER_463: but rather—as often though not always—caused by the friction caused by your society's attempt to restrict these individuals into strictly third-density ways of being, ways of knowing, and ways of expression.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_463: This we understand has a central catalyst both for those individuals, their caretakers, and any seeker who is interested in these stories.

01:02:33 SPEAKER_463: We would end our exploration of this fascinating topic at this point, and ask that if there is more to explore from the questioner's perspective, that this topic be presented again at a further session.

01:02:37 SPEAKER_463: But at this time, we would instead take leave of this instrument and transfer the contact to the one known as Gary.

01:02:45 SPEAKER_463: We are Q'uo.

01:02:54 SPEAKER_463: We are cool.

01:03:03 SPEAKER_463: Ba ba da dum.

01:03:15 SPEAKER_463: And that's part one.

01:03:21 SPEAKER_463: Yep, yep.

01:03:37 SPEAKER_464: And we're almost at nine o'clock.

01:03:49 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

01:04:04 SPEAKER_464: And there isn't much answer in that question except that they say they can be dual activated entities.

01:04:16 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

01:04:27 SPEAKER_464: It just says they're dual activated, and that the problem is that they are not given opportunity to express themselves in the fourth density.

01:04:39 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, well, they're trying to be forced into a box.

01:04:53 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, exactly.

01:04:58 SPEAKER_464: You know what's normal and what's not?

01:04:59 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_464: Wondering if Q'uo ever talks about the hills.

01:05:02 SPEAKER_464: I don't.

01:05:03 SPEAKER_464: I don't know.

01:05:03 SPEAKER_464: I think...

01:05:05 SPEAKER_464: I think they've been asked.

01:05:16 SPEAKER_464: It might be in part two.

01:05:16 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, uh, because this is part one, right?

01:05:28 SPEAKER_464: So there's... yeah, I don't—I don't—you don't know.

01:05:33 SPEAKER_464: I don't see them answering that in part two.

01:05:33 SPEAKER_464: In part two, it says the topics are the tension between faith and the rational mind, the congruency of faith and intelligence, infinity.

01:05:37 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, they don't have those answers yet.

01:05:37 SPEAKER_464: Those are long-ass answers.

01:05:38 SPEAKER_464: Uh-huh.

01:05:40 SPEAKER_464: Well, next week.

01:05:41 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:05:42 SPEAKER_464: All right.

01:05:45 SPEAKER_464: So any last remarks or comments or questions?

01:05:47 SPEAKER_464: I'm...

01:05:51 SPEAKER_464: I'm going to look.

01:05:52 SPEAKER_464: Thank you, Andrei.

01:05:55 SPEAKER_464: Yep.

01:06:03 SPEAKER_464: Happy to be of service.

01:06:05 SPEAKER_464: I'm going to look up telepathy tapes in the hills.

01:06:07 SPEAKER_464: Hey, Joshua.

01:06:08 SPEAKER_464: How you doing?

01:06:10 SPEAKER_464: Namaste.

01:06:15 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, you joined just as we were ending.

01:06:15 SPEAKER_464: Well, we actually thought that Char was you for a while.

01:06:17 SPEAKER_464: Oh yeah, yeah.

01:06:19 SPEAKER_464: She said wrong.

01:06:19 SPEAKER_464: I said we think that this person is from New Jersey.

01:06:21 SPEAKER_464: But when I said "wrong" with my voice, they didn't continue their fun game—a fun game to guess who it was.

01:06:29 SPEAKER_464: You yelled at them.

01:06:31 SPEAKER_464: That's funny.

01:06:33 SPEAKER_464: Well, well, she came in with the Jester.

01:06:34 SPEAKER_464: Oh!

01:06:34 SPEAKER_464: It just said "J."

01:06:36 SPEAKER_464: Right, right, right.

01:06:38 SPEAKER_464: Hello, Jester.

01:06:39 SPEAKER_464: I thought it was you.

01:06:46 SPEAKER_464: I was tending to my moldy zucchini plants in my garage.

01:06:53 SPEAKER_464: Oh my gosh, moldy zucchini plants.

01:06:56 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, they didn't...

01:06:57 SPEAKER_991: Not all of them made it through the infected garage, but we have some survivors.

01:07:01 SPEAKER_991: We're going to transplant.

01:07:04 SPEAKER_991: Cool, nice.

01:07:06 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, I've been transplanting like hundreds of plants a week.

01:07:06 SPEAKER_991: Yeah, it's tough.

01:07:06 SPEAKER_991: It can be, anyways.

01:07:08 SPEAKER_464: I could imagine.

01:07:13 SPEAKER_464: I wish I had more time to focus on it.

01:07:14 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:07:22 SPEAKER_464: Oh yeah, for me, it's mostly trees and stuff because last year I was like "Oh, I gotta grow a lot of stuff," and I grew hundreds of trees,

01:07:23 SPEAKER_464: and then I had to uproot all of them this year.

01:07:24 SPEAKER_464: Um, and where do you put the trees?

01:07:33 SPEAKER_464: In my backyard.

01:07:34 SPEAKER_464: Well, I got trays; basically each one was in a 250-milliliter tray.

01:07:36 SPEAKER_464: I think that's what you call eight ounces or something.

01:07:39 SPEAKER_464: Um, and so I need to upgrade it to a 1.3-liter tray, which I think you call...—I don't know what you call it—a quarter-and-a-third, or something like that?

01:07:45 SPEAKER_464: That's what you call it.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_464: Um, and so I had to make all of these trays and make all these pots, and then transplant everything.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_464: And then look!

01:08:11 SPEAKER_464: Look at this!

01:08:16 SPEAKER_464: I got...

01:08:20 SPEAKER_464: You see this big bag?

01:08:27 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:08:35 SPEAKER_464: It's full of sprouting hazelnuts.

01:08:50 SPEAKER_464: Oh!

01:09:03 SPEAKER_493: Wow!

01:09:05 SPEAKER_493: So I have to plant these guys too.

01:09:06 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

01:09:07 SPEAKER_493: That's a lot.

01:09:09 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

01:09:12 SPEAKER_493: Are their roots getting all tangled up?

01:09:12 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

01:09:15 SPEAKER_493: Oh wow!

01:09:15 SPEAKER_493: Look at that.

01:09:15 SPEAKER_493: So, my work is cut out for me.

01:09:19 SPEAKER_493: Basically, my spirit guides—because you know I'm also running for mayor—I don't know if you heard about that, Josh.

01:09:20 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

01:09:20 SPEAKER_493: Um, and so I was thinking of doing more in terms of running for mayor and all that; but my spirit guy's like, "No, you got to focus on your plans."

01:09:25 SPEAKER_493: Leave winning the elections to God.

01:09:26 SPEAKER_493: It's like... okay, alright.

01:09:26 SPEAKER_493: Andrei, do you know how to grow cherry pits?

01:09:27 SPEAKER_493: Cherries, yeah, yeah.

01:09:27 SPEAKER_493: Do you need guidance?

01:09:31 SPEAKER_493: I mean, not that I can ask you separately, but I try multiple times and it failed.

01:09:36 SPEAKER_493: It can be difficult.

01:09:40 SPEAKER_493: So what's the most reliable method I found?

01:09:51 SPEAKER_493: You take fresh cherries; then you pit the cherries.

01:09:55 SPEAKER_493: Then you dry them a little bit, like at least air drying, and then you need to get vermiculite.

01:09:57 SPEAKER_493: Oh, that's the part.

01:10:01 SPEAKER_493: Okay, vermiculite.

01:10:04 SPEAKER_493: You don't crack them a little bit.

01:10:05 SPEAKER_493: What?

01:10:16 SPEAKER_493: You don't crack the pits a little.

01:10:17 SPEAKER_493: No, no, no, no cracking.

01:10:37 SPEAKER_493: No cracking.

01:10:40 SPEAKER_493: Oh, okay.

01:10:41 SPEAKER_493: No cracking.

01:10:43 SPEAKER_493: Vermiculite.

01:10:43 SPEAKER_493: Vermiculite is volcanic rock; it has no nutrients, and this is very good.

01:10:47 SPEAKER_493: And then you need distilled water.

01:10:51 SPEAKER_493: Okay.

01:10:51 SPEAKER_493: Basically, you want to clean those pits so they don't have any pulp on them.

01:10:52 SPEAKER_493: You know?

01:10:52 SPEAKER_493: Yeah.

01:10:52 SPEAKER_493: You don't want any source of fungus.

01:10:53 SPEAKER_493: Yes.

01:10:57 SPEAKER_493: And so then you get the vermiculite damp but not wet—so like when you squeeze it there's at most one drop or something,

01:10:58 SPEAKER_493: or less—and then you put it in a bag that has lots of holes in it, a perforated bag.

01:11:02 SPEAKER_493: Okay.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_493: But now with cherries, it's a little bit more difficult than with some other things.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_493: But basically, then you need at least three to six weeks; it has to be warm.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_493: Wow!

01:11:09 SPEAKER_493: I put it in the fridge with cinnamon.

01:11:17 SPEAKER_493: So no, first it has to be warm.

01:11:34 SPEAKER_493: because cherries naturally when they fall are still summer.

01:11:34 SPEAKER_493: Okay.

01:11:44 SPEAKER_493: Cherries are in the spring, right?

01:11:48 SPEAKER_493: Early spring, so they need a month or two of being warm to finish maturing the embryo inside.

01:11:51 SPEAKER_493: So that's why it needs four to six weeks warm, and then three months cold in the fridge; and then you take it out and they sprout.

01:11:51 SPEAKER_493: Wow!

01:11:57 SPEAKER_493: Can you type that word that you said?

01:12:01 SPEAKER_755: Vermiculite.

01:12:10 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, sure.

01:12:10 SPEAKER_755: I'll—I'll type it in the chat here.

01:12:13 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, it's a little white rock.

01:12:26 SPEAKER_755: No, that's perlite.

01:12:27 SPEAKER_755: You—you can get vermiculite pretty much anywhere; Walmart should have it.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_755: Home Depot has it too.

01:12:34 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, Home Depot.

01:12:37 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah.

01:12:39 SPEAKER_755: If it's like if it's getting very soaked, then you can add a little perlite.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_755: That'll help it drain better.

01:12:44 SPEAKER_755: But vermiculite looks—it's crushed up particles.

01:12:45 SPEAKER_755: It's kind of golden brown.

01:12:46 SPEAKER_755: That's golden brown.

01:12:46 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, and the one edge of it usually has a little bit of iridescence to it.

01:12:48 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, yeah.

01:12:50 SPEAKER_755: That's what it's like.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_755: Perlite is the tiny little foam ball-looking things.

01:12:56 SPEAKER_755: Here, yeah.

01:12:57 SPEAKER_755: Do you see this bag?

01:12:58 SPEAKER_755: This bag is vermiculite.

01:13:05 SPEAKER_755: It has vermiculite in it, and then you can see some of the hazelnuts.

01:13:05 SPEAKER_755: Oh, okay.

01:13:07 SPEAKER_755: Thank you.

01:13:09 SPEAKER_755: Yeah.

01:13:09 SPEAKER_755: Here, and you see they're a little bit shiny.

01:13:12 SPEAKER_755: That's the vermiculite that's on it.

01:13:13 SPEAKER_755: The vermiculite—it's a volcanic rock that's very good at holding moisture, and it also has no nutrients.

01:13:19 SPEAKER_755: And having nutrients is a good benefit in this case.

01:13:20 SPEAKER_755: In smaller quantities, little flecks of the vermiculite condensate in volcanic rock is called mica.

01:13:20 SPEAKER_755: And some stones have mica inclusions in them, and it'll look like glitter in the quartz.

01:13:25 SPEAKER_755: Litter in the quartz.

01:13:33 SPEAKER_755: Cool.

01:13:40 SPEAKER_755: I thought mica was also conductive, wasn't it?

01:13:43 SPEAKER_755: Um, some stones are.

01:13:51 SPEAKER_755: Yeah.

01:13:59 SPEAKER_755: Vermiculite might be conductive.

01:14:01 SPEAKER_755: Here, let's.

01:14:02 SPEAKER_755: You've piqued my curiosity.

01:14:06 SPEAKER_755: Vermiculite and mica.

01:14:08 SPEAKER_755: And char, I looked up.

01:14:08 SPEAKER_755: I did a search of the word "hill" in the LL Research website, and they didn't have anything about the hill with the telepathy tapes there.

01:14:10 SPEAKER_755: Wow, that's that's a shame.

01:14:11 SPEAKER_755: I'm so curious.

01:14:12 SPEAKER_755: I'm just so curious.

01:14:15 SPEAKER_755: Anybody experienced it?

01:14:27 SPEAKER_1001: I saw a video of a remote viewer who went there.

01:14:30 SPEAKER_1001: Really?

01:14:31 SPEAKER_1001: Yeah, a while ago.

01:14:34 SPEAKER_1001: I shared it, but he was like, "felt bad, like a trespasser."

01:14:35 SPEAKER_1001: Yeah, didn't he say they had protection there?

01:14:40 SPEAKER_1001: I think I, I don't remember specifically that.

01:14:40 SPEAKER_493: Um, but he was like, "Yeah, it's like rude to just go into someone's space," you know, uninvited, kind of, if with the wrong intentions, kind of thing, you know.

01:14:41 SPEAKER_493: It's like giving the address out to a party, right, right, to the public.

01:14:48 SPEAKER_493: Oh, is I so apparently, Micah, is electrically special among common rocksmen.

01:14:53 SPEAKER_493: Among common rocks, minerals as it is an unusually effective electrical insulator, and it can be split into thin, flexible, heat-resistant sheets.

01:14:58 SPEAKER_493: Okay, okay.

01:15:02 SPEAKER_493: Is vermiculite aren't all rocks insulators?

01:15:09 SPEAKER_493: Apparently, it's better than others.

01:15:24 SPEAKER_1001: Oh, I see.

01:15:25 SPEAKER_1001: Some rocks are piezoelectric.

01:15:27 SPEAKER_1001: Yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah.

01:15:29 SPEAKER_1001: Like quartz, quartz is piezoelectric, and also with other rocks, there can be metallic inclusions in them.

01:15:33 SPEAKER_1001: Like there's some rocks that are really red; they have high iron oxide content, and they're conductive.

01:15:37 SPEAKER_1001: And then there's also lodestone.

01:15:38 SPEAKER_1001: Yeah, so it says basically solid.

01:15:54 SPEAKER_464: So the difference is, vermiculite is formed from mica, but it's an altered mica with water and exchangeable mineral ions between its layers.

01:16:03 SPEAKER_464: Solid mica sheets are dense, stable, and highly dielectric.

01:16:06 SPEAKER_464: They're used directly around electrical components.

01:16:08 SPEAKER_464: Expanded vermiculite is fluffy and porous with tiny air spaces, so its main strength is thermal and fire insulation, rather than electrical insulation. they do use it inside cement block walls for insulation.

01:16:12 SPEAKER_464: They pour them full vermiculite.

01:16:14 SPEAKER_464: Oh well, there you go.

01:16:38 SPEAKER_464: All right, guys.

01:16:39 SPEAKER_464: Well, I think I'm gonna head to bed.

01:16:46 SPEAKER_464: But it was nice chatting with you.

01:16:47 SPEAKER_464: Um, and hopefully I'll farmer question for you.

01:16:54 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, you have question?

01:16:58 SPEAKER_755: Oh, go ahead.

01:17:01 SPEAKER_464: In regards the gardening stuff.

01:17:04 SPEAKER_464: In regards to gardening stuff, if you have seedlings in plug trays and you're bottom watering with the outer tray, and mold develops on the top of the soil, like a white fuzzy mold,

01:17:06 SPEAKER_464: what would you do in that circumstance?

01:17:08 SPEAKER_464: Okay, so to me that would indicate insufficient airflow.

01:17:34 SPEAKER_755: So I would put in a fan.

01:17:42 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, I have fan.

01:17:45 SPEAKER_755: I have a fan blowing.

01:17:49 SPEAKER_755: Do you have a humidity monitor?

01:17:55 SPEAKER_755: No. So.

01:18:00 SPEAKER_755: But I mean, I mean, not preventative for the future, but to treat the issue.

01:18:02 SPEAKER_755: Would you just throw away everything, or can you salvage?

01:18:09 SPEAKER_755: Oh well, I would put it in the sun, and that will kill off the mold.

01:18:13 SPEAKER_755: Oh, okay, good.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_755: Yeah.

01:18:29 SPEAKER_755: I see.

01:18:29 SPEAKER_755: Thank you.

01:18:30 SPEAKER_755: Yeah, you're welcome.

01:18:32 SPEAKER_755: And yeah, like most things, like I'm, I'm really big on salvaging, and you know, I do my best to give them a second chance always, because you know, everything has the divine within it,

01:18:33 SPEAKER_755: and some things just need a little more care.

01:18:35 SPEAKER_755: And if they don't make it, I'm just grateful for the time that we had together.

01:18:44 SPEAKER_755: You know, it's kind of like a pet, and we just give it our love while we are together, and are grateful for the time we had.

01:18:55 SPEAKER_755: It's all the creator, exactly, exactly.

01:18:57 SPEAKER_755: All right, and so with that, as I found you, I leave you in the infinite love and infinite light of the infinite creator within you and all around you, my friends.

01:19:13 SPEAKER_755: Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in the infinite power and infinite peace, Arunai Vasubharadus.

01:19:20 SPEAKER_755: All right, under the stream.