Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — April 25, 2026

00:00:00 SPEAKER_463: Greetings in love and light of the one infinite Creator.

00:00:04 SPEAKER_463: I am Andrii Zvorygin, joined here today with Ed, Fred, and Bill, and we're joining in honour of David Wilcox's passing.

00:00:15 SPEAKER_463: Um, and he was going through some financial difficulties and fears about his survival.

00:00:21 SPEAKER_463: Um, and decided to end his life.

00:00:25 SPEAKER_463: And so, in that vein, we will be addressing how to balance these red ray issues to help others avoid these kinds of deleterious effects in the future.

00:00:38 SPEAKER_463: Okay, so if we're here, we've got some quotes here.

00:00:44 SPEAKER_463: Um.

00:00:44 SPEAKER_463: 1996, or did you want to read the raw?

00:00:49 SPEAKER_463: Well, well, anyways, these from 1006.

00:00:52 SPEAKER_463: When the love pours through the vehicle, that love moves into the field of the body at the base of the red ray chakra.

00:01:05 SPEAKER_463: If it is blocked there by contraction by fear, not much energy can come through to move into the higher energy centres.

00:01:16 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:01:17 SPEAKER_463: Here, did you guys want to read some, or should I share the raw quotes for you?

00:01:25 SPEAKER_463: I got a general kind of question.

00:01:28 SPEAKER_463: Go ahead.

00:01:29 SPEAKER_463: So, what happens when the energy goes up and like when it goes through the red ray, the orange, yellow, and it just it's opening.

00:01:41 SPEAKER_463: So, so if it goes through the red ray, right, and it's balanced, then it's balanced, then you're okay with your survival and your sexuality.

00:01:52 SPEAKER_463: That's cool.

00:01:53 SPEAKER_463: It goes through the orange ray.

00:01:56 SPEAKER_464: That means you're okay with yourself and the other individuals you're dealing with.

00:02:09 SPEAKER_464: Same and yellow goes through, and then you're okay with the groups and the group dynamics, your family, your work, your and that sort of thing.

00:02:35 SPEAKER_464: And then so this is what's happening.

00:02:36 SPEAKER_464: So so basically, when you're blocked at red ray, you're not okay with your survival.

00:02:39 SPEAKER_464: You're not okay with being here on Earth.

00:02:41 SPEAKER_464: You're not okay with your like sexuality.

00:02:42 SPEAKER_464: Like you can't accept if you're a male or a female, stuff like that.

00:02:45 SPEAKER_464: Oh yeah.

00:02:45 SPEAKER_464: Well, that would kind of.

00:02:46 SPEAKER_464: I don't know, dude.

00:02:47 SPEAKER_464: I'd say I'd say the sexuality part is probably more like that.

00:02:49 SPEAKER_464: The the the the orange ray thing.

00:02:51 SPEAKER_466: For me, for me, I think that the main reason why red ray is so important is because of the fact that if you don't feel safe, right?

00:02:56 SPEAKER_466: If you don't feel that you are, if you're worried that for your physical survival that something could come and hurt you, fuck you up at any second, is very very difficult for you to be able to relax and focus and take any of the further steps that you need to on any kind of path.

00:03:07 SPEAKER_466: Your your your only thing that you should be thinking about is keeping yourself safe, keeping yourself like alive, and that for me is what, like, like, like, really brings home the red ray thing for me.

00:03:14 SPEAKER_466: Is is that pure life?

00:03:15 SPEAKER_466: You know, like survival instinct.

00:03:16 SPEAKER_466: Like, and if that's if that's going mad and you're hyperadrenalized and you're afraid for your life, how how what other kind of work can you possibly do anyway?

00:03:23 SPEAKER_466: Don't don't waste the energy.

00:03:24 SPEAKER_466: Use it to keep alive.

00:03:25 SPEAKER_466: Well, the reason why the sexuality I bring up is that's because what Carla has written time and time again.

00:03:29 SPEAKER_466: She says when you're okay with red ray, you're okay with your survival.

00:03:32 SPEAKER_466: You're okay with being a person on this planet at this time.

00:03:35 SPEAKER_466: A lot of people aren't that way, and then you're okay with your sexuality.

00:03:38 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, you're accepted.

00:03:39 SPEAKER_466: Okay, right.

00:03:39 SPEAKER_466: I agree that the sexuality is red ray.

00:03:41 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, that's what Carla agrees with that, but I think that that that that that's more to do with you know, like yeah, um, it's kept in the sexuality, right?

00:03:48 SPEAKER_466: So you're not afraid of others' judgment or whatever else.

00:03:50 SPEAKER_464: But I think that the actual sexuality part is is the orange ray.

00:03:53 SPEAKER_464: Well, when it becomes a one-on-one person thing, is is is like you know, I think.

00:04:04 SPEAKER_464: Okay, let let's let's read the seed concept here of red ray.

00:04:13 SPEAKER_466: Okay, the red ray is the foundational gateway through which infinite creative life energy enters the energetic body, it governs survival, vitality, and the instinct to live.

00:04:32 SPEAKER_466: This base must be clear and regularized for consciousness to move upward into open-hearted connection.

00:04:33 SPEAKER_466: When survival, connection, and bodily needs are met through love rather than fear, this energy flows freely.

00:04:35 SPEAKER_466: The red ray represents the basic yes to existence.

00:04:36 SPEAKER_466: And and Carla would add basic yes to existence on this planet.

00:04:38 SPEAKER_466: Yes, fair enough, exactly.

00:04:38 SPEAKER_463: And then, so if say, for instance, you're afraid of losing your house, as David was, then it gets blocked.

00:04:40 SPEAKER_463: Cardinal training sentence: We allow the red ray light to flow freely, so our vitality supports higher service as survival and connection are held in love rather than fear.

00:04:43 SPEAKER_463: So this is like that feeling that all is well and all will be well.

00:04:45 SPEAKER_463: Well, going back to what you said, when David was in fear losing his house, I don't see that has like survival.

00:04:47 SPEAKER_463: You you might be losing your, you you know the thing that encloses you from the weather or you know and keeps you safe from you know animals attacking or or whatever you know whatever the you know we we had to deal with in the old days, but today when you look at it like that, it's it's not a survival thing.

00:04:54 SPEAKER_463: It's it's your losing materialism.

00:04:55 SPEAKER_463: You know, it's like, oh crap, I'm I'm a real rich guy because they said like on the police report there was a Range Rover out there.

00:04:58 SPEAKER_463: So so he has got he's got it, and that cabin was pretty big and expensive.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_463: No, exactly.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_463: He he had millions of dollars, like in terms of assets.

00:05:01 SPEAKER_463: In terms of he had like I think multiple houses.

00:05:03 SPEAKER_463: and like you said, like a Range Rover, and like he had a lot to lose, and he was also millions of dollars in debt because he fell for a bunch of scammers that told him that they would make him hover cars, and they showed him an empty warehouse, and he gave them a million dollars on credit, and so as with his houses collateral or whatever, and apparently like in his.

00:05:11 SPEAKER_463: like final note, which was released, he said that he had been like starving because he wasn't.

00:05:49 SPEAKER_463: He was so cash poor, he wasn't getting enough food, and so this was also leading to the deterioration of his body.

00:05:55 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, no, no food would be red ray.

00:05:57 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, exactly.

00:05:58 SPEAKER_464: So, so like almost all of the things that he was talking about sounded like red ray issues that he was kind of grappling with.

00:06:04 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I agree.

00:06:05 SPEAKER_464: Because, like, like if you think about it, someone's like robbed a million, like a million quid off you, dude.

00:06:10 SPEAKER_464: The main thing that you're gonna think is just fucking ashamed of yourself for like falling for it, for allowing someone to do that.

00:06:17 SPEAKER_464: And that is full red ray, man.

00:06:18 SPEAKER_464: That is feeling feelings of shame, feelings of self, like hate.

00:06:21 SPEAKER_464: You know that that's that that's that stops you from activating the orange and yellow.

00:06:25 SPEAKER_464: And the honest.

00:06:26 SPEAKER_464: Yellow, and yeah, well, well, that's you know what.

00:06:28 SPEAKER_463: It's just I don't even think he got that far.

00:06:39 SPEAKER_463: He was still like at least on his last podcast, he was still kind of perhaps the delusion that this was all still somehow work out.

00:07:07 SPEAKER_463: That this guy who was a scammer and was being sued by lots of people for scamming people was somehow going to provide him his hovercars.

00:07:09 SPEAKER_463: His hover cars, and so part of it was, you know, as his family said, David had a rich inner life.

00:07:10 SPEAKER_463: You know, you're not talking about Corey Goode, are you?

00:07:11 SPEAKER_463: No, it wasn't Corey Goode.

00:07:11 SPEAKER_463: It was some kind of guy called Davis.

00:07:11 SPEAKER_463: Oh, okay, the guy, the guy who supposedly getting that warehouse up in upstate New York.

00:07:12 SPEAKER_463: Right, right.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, exactly.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_463: He had some warehouse where allegedly he was going to build hover cars, but it was an empty warehouse.

00:07:14 SPEAKER_463: Right?

00:07:14 SPEAKER_463: Right, and David said the city or the county was screwing them all under.

00:07:15 SPEAKER_463: Blah blah blah.

00:07:15 SPEAKER_463: I heard that complaint.

00:07:15 SPEAKER_463: That was kind of when I stopped listening to him.

00:07:16 SPEAKER_463: Right.

00:07:16 SPEAKER_463: Well, yeah, I stopped listening to him a long time ago.

00:07:17 SPEAKER_463: When when he led a meditation, and then it did.

00:07:17 SPEAKER_463: It was not a meditation.

00:07:17 SPEAKER_463: I was like, this guy doesn't know what he's doing.

00:07:18 SPEAKER_463: Oh yeah, yeah.

00:07:18 SPEAKER_463: No, he's those are like long prayers and just yeah.

00:07:19 SPEAKER_463: And then he starts rambling about all the conspiracies and.

00:07:19 SPEAKER_463: No, exactly.

00:07:20 SPEAKER_463: It was too neutral for me.

00:07:20 SPEAKER_463: It wasn't.

00:07:20 SPEAKER_463: It wasn't service to others enough alignment.

00:07:20 SPEAKER_463: But oh, you know.

00:07:21 SPEAKER_463: See, I've never, I've never actually watched a single one of his videos or anything like that.

00:07:22 SPEAKER_463: Like, like I said, I didn't even even know who he was until like a while ago.

00:07:23 SPEAKER_463: But like, I don't know, maybe a year or so ago, like someone mentioned, like he's like, and then I read like three of his books, so you know, like, and like I said, out of all the kind of writings I've ever had read on the Law of One, I kind of I kind of connected with what he wrote more than most.

00:07:27 SPEAKER_463: Like, so yeah, I'm shocked by this.

00:07:27 SPEAKER_463: So, like I said, I didn't really know him very well as a personality, as it were, but from what he wrote, like, I'm shocked that this is like the way that it goes.

00:07:29 SPEAKER_463: But then I suppose like these things are always shocking at night.

00:07:30 SPEAKER_463: It is.

00:07:30 SPEAKER_463: He did live with Jim and Carla for like two years, like two thousand, two thousand one, and he met his supposed first whistleblowers.

00:07:31 SPEAKER_463: Also, were living at the Law of One compound, I guess back then.

00:07:32 SPEAKER_463: And Wilcock probably did more than anybody to introduce the Law of One to people.

00:07:33 SPEAKER_463: He introduced it to me, but um, you know, through through.

00:07:34 SPEAKER_463: But you know, through through the Ancient Aliens, yeah, yeah, he introduced it to me too.

00:07:35 SPEAKER_463: So you know, I'm grateful for that.

00:07:35 SPEAKER_463: And and I'll tell you this, I don't want to take up, but um, the first time I heard Wilcock, and this is before I knew kind of who he was, was about 2012, and he was talking about a story where eight American battleships loaded with gold, seven or eight of them left China in like 1939, and it was a white Chinese, and he was talking about these bonds, and and in like two thousand eight, a couple of Chinese guys got caught with billions of dollars worth of bonds that were really old, going in from Italy to Switzerland or something like that, or or the other way, and and so he's relating to that, and then he was getting threatened to be killed, and this is like the first time I heard him, and he was like on the phone, supposedly talking to a white hat.

00:07:44 SPEAKER_466: And he was bawling and crying like a baby.

00:07:45 SPEAKER_466: He was going, you know, I mean, like he's a freaking grown ass man, like forty years old, and he's doing this.

00:07:46 SPEAKER_466: And that's the first time I heard him just crying like a baby.

00:07:58 SPEAKER_466: So, and and and a lot of his podcasts and stuff, he always like went to the fear side.

00:08:15 SPEAKER_463: Oh, this is terrifying.

00:08:19 SPEAKER_463: This is so scary.

00:08:22 SPEAKER_463: Blah blah blah.

00:08:25 SPEAKER_463: So he had, so he had a ton of.

00:08:30 SPEAKER_463: It's like, dude, if you're really into the Law of One, I mean, see how you're gonna be this fearful.

00:08:40 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

00:08:42 SPEAKER_463: No, he wasn't really applying the teachings.

00:08:45 SPEAKER_463: I think one of one of the comments I was reading is that there's a big difference between facilitating the teachings, as in like reading them to others, and then actually applying and embodying them.

00:09:04 SPEAKER_464: Of course, he was mostly facilitating.

00:09:05 SPEAKER_464: But he was unfortunately embodying a lot of fear, things like that.

00:09:07 SPEAKER_464: And I did find a session.

00:09:08 SPEAKER_464: This this was channeling.

00:09:08 SPEAKER_464: This is in the channeling, and it's from May eleventh, two thousand and three.

00:09:11 SPEAKER_464: And this is David Wilcock channeling higher self.

00:09:12 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I read that.

00:09:13 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

00:09:13 SPEAKER_464: And so it's right on.

00:09:14 SPEAKER_464: It's right on too.

00:09:15 SPEAKER_464: The soul coming into maturity.

00:09:15 SPEAKER_464: You read it.

00:09:16 SPEAKER_463: It's pretty right on, but it goes political.

00:09:17 SPEAKER_463: It goes political, eh?

00:09:18 SPEAKER_463: Wow.

00:09:18 SPEAKER_463: Well, anyways, I don't want to get too far off the topic here.

00:09:20 SPEAKER_463: So let's let's continue reading this because this is the red ray blockage, and then we still have the red ray balancing after this.

00:09:24 SPEAKER_463: So we allow red ray light to flow freely, so our vitality supports higher service, as survival and connection are held in love rather than fear.

00:09:28 SPEAKER_464: Blockages often arise from hidden survival tension, or a deeper need for connection, not just physical conditions.

00:09:31 SPEAKER_464: Fear of failure or threat to the self creates a no response that restricts the flow of life energy.

00:09:34 SPEAKER_464: And I think with David, this this may have been like you know he often felt threatened.

00:09:37 SPEAKER_307: You know he was living in a lot of fear, and then a lot of his prophecies and things failed to come true, and then he just kept making more, and you know, like the hovercrafting.

00:09:43 SPEAKER_307: Healing occurs by processing fear and allowing experience to move from survival into relational and emotional expression.

00:09:46 SPEAKER_466: So yeah, I don't know if David did that, but probably not.

00:09:49 SPEAKER_466: So so processing it, you know, is actually like sitting with it, feeling it, and then you know trying.

00:09:52 SPEAKER_466: You know, if you use that word, rational.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_466: Hmm.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_466: Relational.

00:09:54 SPEAKER_466: Relational.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_466: Oh, relational.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_466: Okay.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_466: Relational.

00:09:55 SPEAKER_466: So from survival into relational and emotional expression.

00:09:57 SPEAKER_466: So like, say for instance, relating to the people that you have fears about.

00:10:00 SPEAKER_466: Like his wife.

00:10:00 SPEAKER_466: You know, he had.

00:10:01 SPEAKER_466: You know, like you were saying, she wasn't picking up the phone.

00:10:04 SPEAKER_466: So he was.

00:10:04 SPEAKER_466: So he he was blocked.

00:10:05 SPEAKER_466: He was literally blocked in his relational emotional expression.

00:10:07 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, and and he was alone up on that mountain or wherever he was.

00:10:10 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, and I can tell you when people get that way, start losing contact with others.

00:10:13 SPEAKER_466: They they you know that's that's why I brought up the madness.

00:10:15 SPEAKER_466: You know.

00:10:16 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:10:16 SPEAKER_466: For sure, clearing the foundation is required before higher work can proceed.

00:10:19 SPEAKER_466: Our higher work can proceed, allowing energy to move freely from base to heart.

00:10:22 SPEAKER_466: Orthogonal features: the red ray governs bodily health, strength, and instinctual need for connection.

00:10:30 SPEAKER_464: It functions as a gateway where instinct strongly shapes perception.

00:10:35 SPEAKER_464: The energy body responds to mind and spirit, not just physical stimuli.

00:10:42 SPEAKER_464: And and then I know one of the issues with the connection is that, also, David he wanted to feel like he was special, which is unfortunately that's a service to self thing.

00:11:01 SPEAKER_464: Whereas you, on the service to other side, we have to instead recognize we are all with the One Infinite Creator, which is actually much greater than being special.

00:11:39 SPEAKER_464: But well, that that gives us more.

00:11:51 SPEAKER_464: Well, I that gives us more equivalence.

00:12:03 SPEAKER_464: I think makes it easier to connect.

00:12:15 SPEAKER_464: Go ahead.

00:12:18 SPEAKER_464: I I think the special context was really there for him to make money, because you mentioned something his prophecies and stuff like that.

00:12:37 SPEAKER_463: Because he wrote a whole series of books about his his you know his dreams and the prophecies he was getting from the Archangel Michael, right?

00:12:57 SPEAKER_463: And he put this up, you know.

00:13:01 SPEAKER_463: I was there when he started doing it.

00:13:05 SPEAKER_463: He supposedly wrote down his dreams for years, and then all of a sudden, he's like, "Oh, you know, all these dreams I was having in the late '90s, early 2000s, these were all prophecies." And so he started writing books and making books, and then he's going out and totally selling it and marketing it and pushing it, you know.

00:13:36 SPEAKER_463: Because and and you know, I raise my eyebrows when you start doing that because.

00:13:58 SPEAKER_463: It's it's like you know because you can't really know the future.

00:14:15 SPEAKER_463: Well, well, it's not only that he was doing it; it was pushing it for the money, yeah, money, money.

00:14:33 SPEAKER_463: Well, and that is related to his red ray blockage, you know, because he didn't feel secure in the amount of money he had.

00:14:54 SPEAKER_463: That's why he felt this desire to get more.

00:14:57 SPEAKER_463: But I think by his late fifties, he was getting exhausted of the of the hamster wheel or the rat race.

00:15:06 SPEAKER_463: Well, he he he did so many books and stuff.

00:15:10 SPEAKER_463: Maybe he was running out of ideas.

00:15:12 SPEAKER_463: Well, it was like I said, it's because he got scammed and he lost all his.

00:15:19 SPEAKER_464: He had millions of dollars, and he kind of scammed himself into believing this, you know, delusional fairy tale about this guy's hover cars, even though the only evidence was an empty warehouse, which is unfortunate.

00:15:33 SPEAKER_463: But you know, it's what he wanted to believe, and he ended up, you know, giving away all his money.

00:15:51 SPEAKER_463: And it's quite possible that you know his wife could see through this, but he, you know, wasn't willing to listen to her.

00:16:12 SPEAKER_463: And well, one day they were real happy, and the next day they were separated.

00:16:17 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:16:17 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:16:18 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:16:18 SPEAKER_463: It's a bit.

00:16:19 SPEAKER_463: I don't know exactly what happened there, but I could understand from what I did see of him that he was thinking of himself as overly special and not recognizing the Infinite Creator in everyone else, and that his wife was just as valid.

00:16:35 SPEAKER_463: What she had to say, as to what he had to say, you know, and that you know she needs to be taken care of and loved, just as the Infinite Creator that he is, because she is the Infinite Creator too.

00:16:51 SPEAKER_464: You know, like that—that is fundamental to connection.

00:17:29 SPEAKER_464: And but a lot of times people get in these relationships, and expectations are built and are not met, and then acceptance goes out the window.

00:17:37 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, people don't connect as well.

00:17:39 SPEAKER_464: At least like for most people, don't connect when they're being talked down to, or when you know when that whole like one of the Orange Ray blockage is, you know, if you see the other person as less than or yourself as less than, you know, you have to see yourself as equal, equally Infinite Creator, in order to have a good connection, and I find you know when I hold you know that person in my heart that I'm speaking to, it really helps us to have a good connection and a good conversation.

00:18:08 SPEAKER_464: You know, because I love them as I love myself.

00:18:12 SPEAKER_464: Because we are all what?

00:18:14 SPEAKER_464: Well, and a lot of that is just basic relationship stuff.

00:18:18 SPEAKER_463: And where you know, you're not going to have a good relationship if you don't listen to the other person.

00:18:26 SPEAKER_463: Yes, exactly, exactly.

00:18:28 SPEAKER_463: You know, that's it's like oop.

00:18:30 SPEAKER_463: That's it's like, oops.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_463: My wife, my wife and girl kept telling me to do this, and you know, you told me many times I didn't do this, and now all of a sudden they're out the door.

00:18:45 SPEAKER_463: What happened?

00:18:46 SPEAKER_463: Oh well, yeah, exactly.

00:18:47 SPEAKER_463: You know, she probably didn't want to pick up because she didn't think that she would listen.

00:18:53 SPEAKER_463: You know, people want to be able to express themselves and be heard and be valued.

00:18:59 SPEAKER_463: That's a fact.

00:19:00 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, she didn't want to just hear another rant or another moan fest of how or pity fest, you know, or maybe she's talking to him and he starts talking all the you know the conspiracy or all the yeah he has so much information you know right right exactly you know she she she's a human being too, she has needs, she has a life that is valuable and worth knowing about.

00:19:26 SPEAKER_463: You know, as his wife.

00:19:50 SPEAKER_463: Anyhow, that's over.

00:20:05 SPEAKER_463: And he has the same, and he has the same needs.

00:20:19 SPEAKER_463: So yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:20:24 SPEAKER_463: You know, it's these these the the Orange Ray dynamics are tough, especially with male female.

00:20:44 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah, because we're different.

00:20:47 SPEAKER_464: If functions as a It functions as a gateway where instinct strongly shapes perception.

00:20:57 SPEAKER_464: The energy body responds to mind and spirit, not just physical stimuli.

00:21:05 SPEAKER_463: Fear consciousness constricts the movements of love and light, and this is exactly you know this was a major issue that you know you talked about.

00:21:23 SPEAKER_463: Though honestly, in his last podcast, I did not see much fear.

00:21:44 SPEAKER_463: It was better than a lot of his other podcasts.

00:22:02 SPEAKER_464: No, he was talking that he's not suicidal and you shouldn't commit suicide.

00:22:20 SPEAKER_463: And but very strange.

00:22:25 SPEAKER_463: Apparently, the most recent time he said that was in 2022.

00:22:40 SPEAKER_463: No, no, no, no, no, no on on the on the thing that he said the other day.

00:22:45 SPEAKER_463: Go to go to about one hour thirty three minutes.

00:22:48 SPEAKER_463: He says natural is the only way to go.

00:22:50 SPEAKER_463: Don't do that because there's an actual comment talking about suicide on the thing that he's reading, and he says exactly that.

00:22:56 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, that's what I heard.

00:22:57 SPEAKER_463: Oh, really?

00:22:57 SPEAKER_463: That was three days before.

00:22:59 SPEAKER_463: Three days.

00:22:59 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, that's what I heard too.

00:23:01 SPEAKER_463: Well, because I know, look, the day before.

00:23:03 SPEAKER_463: Oh, yeah, the day before.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_463: Whenever, whenever his last video came out.

00:23:06 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, his last video was the day before.

00:23:08 SPEAKER_463: Oh, then the day before he said it.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_463: What was it?

00:23:11 SPEAKER_463: Podcast.

00:23:11 SPEAKER_463: No.

00:23:12 SPEAKER_463: Very, very strange.

00:23:12 SPEAKER_466: That's why it's got the community, that community up in arms, because we see a lot of people saying, "I'm not suicidal," like, like a Epstein victim.

00:23:19 SPEAKER_466: I'm not suicidal, and then you know they suddenly take take their own lives, and they got two two two you know shotgun, you know, two bullets to the back of the head.

00:23:32 SPEAKER_466: You know, the cops are saying it's suicide.

00:23:35 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_466: Well.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_466: You know, initially I thought that too, but it's just like all the evidence seems to point.

00:23:43 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah, for Wilcock, it seems like all the evidence is pointing that this was legit.

00:23:49 SPEAKER_466: He did this.

00:23:50 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, I'm just saying, there's been so much funny business that yeah, people don't trust anything.

00:23:56 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah.

00:23:56 SPEAKER_464: Well, then that's that's understandable.

00:23:58 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, that service to sell, man.

00:24:03 SPEAKER_464: Their influence.

00:24:05 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, the energy body response.

00:24:09 SPEAKER_464: The energy body responds to mind and spirit, not just physical.

00:24:19 SPEAKER_464: The fear consciousness constrict.

00:24:22 SPEAKER_464: Okay, environmental stressors amplify imbalance when survival energy is already blocked.

00:24:32 SPEAKER_463: Group dynamics amplify individual foundational states.

00:24:37 SPEAKER_463: Well, there was no one else there for him, and I think that was part of the the problem.

00:24:48 SPEAKER_463: Surprises and misunderstandings.

00:24:50 SPEAKER_463: Control and endurance often arise from blockage, not strength.

00:24:55 SPEAKER_463: Physical and mechanical satisfaction does not resolve deeper survival tension.

00:25:01 SPEAKER_463: I think this has to do with masturbation, but Red Ray blockage is common and often mistaken for minor stress or personality traits.

00:25:14 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:25:15 SPEAKER_463: So exactly.

00:25:16 SPEAKER_463: So, I mean, like you could see, you know, you could see on his face that he was troubled for for months, um, for years.

00:25:50 SPEAKER_463: For years, yeah, years.

00:25:55 SPEAKER_463: Anger frequently signals deeper survival fear, often linked with relational imbalance.

00:25:58 SPEAKER_463: Well, I haven't seen him angry, but but he he was definitely like crying a lot.

00:26:03 SPEAKER_463: He said, "Oh yeah, yeah, yeah." Affairs or activities visualize the body surrounded by integrated life force and identity, forming a stable and whole field.

00:26:11 SPEAKER_463: So this is this is we're getting parts of the healing now.

00:26:15 SPEAKER_463: Seek support when prolonged physical stress or pain creates contraction.

00:26:18 SPEAKER_463: And and this is something unfortunately he did not do.

00:26:21 SPEAKER_463: Allow natural survival functions to operate without fear or suppression.

00:26:25 SPEAKER_463: Also something he could have benefited from.

00:26:27 SPEAKER_463: Practice a conscious yes to life in the body.

00:26:30 SPEAKER_463: That's a good practice.

00:26:31 SPEAKER_463: Cultivate openness and ability to share honestly with others.

00:26:34 SPEAKER_463: Yes, you know, this this would have also helped.

00:26:38 SPEAKER_463: I think you know, all of these things he did not do, unfortunately.

00:26:43 SPEAKER_463: Well, it all stems around with reaching out to others and being honest with others.

00:26:50 SPEAKER_464: You know, you got you got to become a little vulnerable.

00:26:55 SPEAKER_464: You know, and and express express your own humanity from time to time with others.

00:27:02 SPEAKER_464: For sure, for sure.

00:27:03 SPEAKER_464: Hello, Ashley.

00:27:04 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:27:05 SPEAKER_464: Good to see Ashley.

00:27:06 SPEAKER_464: Hi, Bill.

00:27:07 SPEAKER_464: Andre.

00:27:08 SPEAKER_464: We're doing red.

00:27:09 SPEAKER_464: Hello.

00:27:10 SPEAKER_464: We're doing red ray.

00:27:11 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_464: Oh.

00:27:13 SPEAKER_464: Because of uh, because of uh, Wilcox.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_464: Oh.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_464: Okay.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_464: Fear or survival tension constricts the foundation, limiting energy flow upward.

00:27:16 SPEAKER_464: This reduces vitality, blocks expression, and restricts access to higher centres.

00:27:18 SPEAKER_464: So, like David was saying, that he was feeling, you know, low vitality, and I know some people were commenting that he wasn't producing as many videos, or he didn't produce a single video in the last year, or something.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_464: Oh, just live streams, and.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_464: So, so he he was saying he if it didn't feel like normal aging, so it could have been a red flag.

00:27:30 SPEAKER_463: The heart cannot fully open when the base supply is limited.

00:27:32 SPEAKER_463: If unaddressed, blockage cascades through the system, creating widespread imbalance, and that may be you know his various health problems.

00:27:36 SPEAKER_463: Calm, clear communication and service become difficult when the base is unstable.

00:27:38 SPEAKER_463: Cardinal image.

00:27:38 SPEAKER_463: Cardinal images and ideas: survival-oriented blockage.

00:27:40 SPEAKER_463: The body under prolonged strain beyond its natural capacity.

00:27:41 SPEAKER_463: Narrow supply of energy, reduced life force reaching higher centres.

00:27:43 SPEAKER_463: Yes versus no at the foundation.

00:27:44 SPEAKER_463: Openness versus contraction at the root.

00:27:45 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:27:45 SPEAKER_463: Memory phrases: flow the foundation freely, release survival tension, open the root, let love rise, balance the base first.

00:27:49 SPEAKER_463: Trust restores flow.

00:27:49 SPEAKER_463: Connection matters.

00:27:50 SPEAKER_463: Foundation comes first.

00:27:50 SPEAKER_463: Fear constricts, love opens.

00:27:51 SPEAKER_463: Say yes to life.

00:27:52 SPEAKER_463: And you forgot life is given.

00:27:53 SPEAKER_463: You skipped over that.

00:27:54 SPEAKER_463: Oh yeah, life is given.

00:27:55 SPEAKER_463: Oh, very good.

00:27:55 SPEAKER_463: Thank you.

00:27:56 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:27:56 SPEAKER_463: The red race.

00:27:57 SPEAKER_463: I'm paying attention.

00:27:57 SPEAKER_463: Very good.

00:27:58 SPEAKER_463: Thanks, Bill.

00:27:58 SPEAKER_463: The red race supports all higher expression, personal, social, and spiritual.

00:28:00 SPEAKER_463: It is the entry point for life energy into the system.

00:28:03 SPEAKER_463: Higher centres depend on its stability for proper function.

00:28:05 SPEAKER_463: Identity and life meet here to form a grounded, integrated being.

00:28:07 SPEAKER_463: All growth begins with this foundation.

00:28:08 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:28:08 SPEAKER_463: So, this is the Jesus version here.

00:28:10 SPEAKER_463: Jesus said, "Look at the birds of the air.

00:28:12 SPEAKER_463: They do not sow, reap, or store away in barns." and yet your heavenly Father feeds them.

00:28:15 SPEAKER_463: Are you not much more valuable than they?

00:28:17 SPEAKER_463: And why do you worry about clothes?

00:28:19 SPEAKER_463: And see how the flowers of the field grow.

00:28:20 SPEAKER_463: They do not labour or spin.

00:28:22 SPEAKER_463: Yet I tell you that not even Solomon, in all his splendor, was dressed like one of these.

00:28:25 SPEAKER_463: So this is kind of a teaching about all is well and all will be well, and to put your faith in God's provision.

00:28:30 SPEAKER_463: I don't know if anyone has any commentary on this.

00:28:32 SPEAKER_463: Well, that scripture is a little.

00:28:33 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, I never know about stuff that comes in the Bible.

00:28:34 SPEAKER_463: I mean, when he says something, why do you worry about clothes?

00:28:36 SPEAKER_463: Well, so I'm not walking around naked, you know, making everybody disgusted, including me.

00:28:38 SPEAKER_463: Okay, well, well, that's fair.

00:28:39 SPEAKER_463: That's fair.

00:28:39 SPEAKER_463: I mean, I think that is like, why do you worry about obtaining clothes or keeping, you know, a roof over your head or things like that?

00:28:43 SPEAKER_463: Okay, if that relates to materialism, yeah.

00:28:44 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes.

00:28:44 SPEAKER_463: So that that's that that was the gist.

00:28:45 SPEAKER_463: That it was meant with.

00:28:46 SPEAKER_463: But okay, I don't know.

00:28:46 SPEAKER_463: That Bible is pretty wacky, to me.

00:28:47 SPEAKER_463: What?

00:28:48 SPEAKER_463: was the parable?

00:28:48 SPEAKER_463: No, the Bible.

00:28:48 SPEAKER_463: Oh, the pretty wacky story.

00:28:49 SPEAKER_463: Well, it doesn't resonate with everybody, and and I know the Old Testament can be very severe.

00:28:51 SPEAKER_463: No, some does.

00:28:52 SPEAKER_463: Some it's it's full of contradictions.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_463: No big deal.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_463: There, no.

00:28:53 SPEAKER_463: All right, here we go.

00:28:54 SPEAKER_463: So this one is about red ray balancing.

00:28:55 SPEAKER_463: The red ray is the foundational energy centre through which intelligent energy and unconditional love enter the physical form.

00:28:58 SPEAKER_463: It governs vitality, health, and survival, acting as the root through which life force flows upward toward the heart.

00:29:01 SPEAKER_463: When the centre is balanced, primal blockages are removed, allowing individuality and spirit to express without distortion, while supporting the essential needs of life.

00:29:04 SPEAKER_463: Balancing the red ray releases the primal life force, so it flows freely upward, expressing individuality and supporting the journey toward the Creator.

00:29:07 SPEAKER_463: Energy moves through the body as a sequence, beginning at the base and rising upward.

00:29:09 SPEAKER_463: When the lower centres are clear, love, joy, and peace remain steady, even under challenge.

00:29:13 SPEAKER_463: This is, I think, this is important.

00:29:14 SPEAKER_463: Each centre must be brought into balance to allow safe and full upward flow.

00:29:17 SPEAKER_463: Significant blockage in the lower centres must be addressed before higher work becomes stable.

00:29:20 SPEAKER_463: Rejoicing in health and vitality strengthens and stabilizes the foundation.

00:29:23 SPEAKER_463: This is this is that whole gratitude, you know, leads to abundance.

00:29:25 SPEAKER_463: The red ray may be visualized as steady, radiant field supporting the whole body.

00:29:28 SPEAKER_463: The red ray is the beginning of all energetic movement and contains the core survival force.

00:29:32 SPEAKER_463: It is linked to bodily vitality, reproduction, and the instinct to live.

00:29:35 SPEAKER_463: It forms the base upon which relational and social energies develop; imbalance in the centre affects all higher functioning.

00:29:39 SPEAKER_463: Physical sensations and instincts reflect deeper energetic states, not just mechanical processes.

00:29:41 SPEAKER_463: A balanced base allows full energy to reach the heart, supporting consistent expression of love.

00:29:45 SPEAKER_463: Surprises and misunderstanding.

00:29:45 SPEAKER_463: True balance is not moral control, but alignment with life and free will.

00:29:48 SPEAKER_463: Well, releasing tension or expressing anger does not resolve foundational imbalance.

00:29:54 SPEAKER_463: Higher spiritual work cannot replace the need to stabilize the base.

00:29:59 SPEAKER_463: Attempting to bypass foundational work leads to instability.

00:30:04 SPEAKER_463: And the dynamics of possession, control, and attachment must be balanced, and not suppressed.

00:30:11 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:30:12 SPEAKER_463: Do you guys have anything on that, or are we kind of just covering what we already know?

00:30:21 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:30:21 SPEAKER_463: Am I muted?

00:30:23 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, really.

00:30:24 SPEAKER_463: No, you're you're fine.

00:30:26 SPEAKER_463: No, really.

00:30:27 SPEAKER_463: Every day you got to kind of deal with the red ray.

00:30:32 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

00:30:33 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:30:33 SPEAKER_464: I guess I'll I'll I'll read some more of this, and then maybe we'll get back to the regular channeling.

00:30:41 SPEAKER_464: Um.

00:30:42 SPEAKER_464: Develop awareness of the body and its signals without fear or suppression.

00:30:47 SPEAKER_464: Separate your own inner work from the issues of others.

00:30:50 SPEAKER_464: Work fully on your own distortions rather than projecting outward.

00:30:54 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, this is this is an important one, and I think a lot of people get stuck in this, where they're attacking someone else for something that they're doing.

00:31:06 SPEAKER_463: Well.

00:31:06 SPEAKER_463: That's that's fully my favorite thing to do is to blame somebody else instead of myself.

00:31:08 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, and so exactly like I I like to always remind that blame is giving someone else the power, but that each of us is the infinite creator, so we can accept that responsibility, and then you know keep the power with us to make that change, examine balance across red, orange, and yellow centres for stability.

00:31:13 SPEAKER_463: Appreciate the body's natural functioning as a sign of balanced life force.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_463: Exactly.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_463: So you know that gratitude and appreciation for balance.

00:31:16 SPEAKER_463: A balanced red ray allows energy to move freely through all centres.

00:31:17 SPEAKER_463: Blockage at the base slows and distorts the life flow of life energy.

00:31:18 SPEAKER_463: This restriction affects mind, body, and spirit simultaneously.

00:31:19 SPEAKER_463: Without a clear foundation, higher centres cannot fully activate.

00:31:20 SPEAKER_463: Stability of the base enables energy to rise naturally toward the heart.

00:31:21 SPEAKER_463: Overemphasis or imbalance can also distort the system if not integrated.

00:31:22 SPEAKER_463: Cardinal images and ideas: the foundation acts as a base current, feeding the entire system.

00:31:24 SPEAKER_463: The body becomes a unified field when energy is balanced.

00:31:25 SPEAKER_463: The upward movement of energy depends on clarity at the base.

00:31:26 SPEAKER_463: Entry into the heart requires patience and proper preparation.

00:31:27 SPEAKER_463: Everyday expression of vitality reflects the health of the foundation.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_463: Red ray is life itself.

00:31:28 SPEAKER_463: Foundation first, flow upward, release blockage, rejoice in vitality, balance the base.

00:31:29 SPEAKER_463: Life supports love.

00:31:30 SPEAKER_463: Energy rises naturally.

00:31:30 SPEAKER_463: The red ray supports all higher centres, especially the heart.

00:31:31 SPEAKER_463: It provides the base for personal, relational, and collective expression.

00:31:32 SPEAKER_463: Stability here determines the effectiveness of higher spiritual work.

00:31:33 SPEAKER_463: It connects the physical experience with the full energetic spectrum, and all development builds upon this foundation.

00:31:35 SPEAKER_463: All right.

00:31:35 SPEAKER_463: So, have we plumbed the depths of red ray now, guys?

00:31:36 SPEAKER_463: Everybody is all balanced here.

00:31:36 SPEAKER_463: I don't know, Ashley.

00:31:37 SPEAKER_463: Did you have any questions?

00:31:37 SPEAKER_463: No, Ashley.

00:31:38 SPEAKER_463: Did you have any questions or comments?

00:31:38 SPEAKER_463: Um, no.

00:31:38 SPEAKER_463: It seems in harmony with my understandings of red ray.

00:31:39 SPEAKER_463: Um, it's a very important energy centre, and it's it's very it's a very sacred energy centre because the energies of the infinite Creator come through the feet, uh, the south pole.

00:31:43 SPEAKER_463: And I think that's really important to know that it's not this lower energy; it's it's also the infinite Creator supporting us.

00:31:45 SPEAKER_463: And this was why during the raw contact, when Don asked if they should do some protection ritual for, like the the bottom area of their feet, or like their their earth centre, and Ra said no, because only the Creator can come through the feet.

00:32:24 SPEAKER_463: So if you really think about that in context, that the feet, the the seat of red ray, that is a a hollowed and very sacred centre.

00:33:03 SPEAKER_463: So sometimes sometimes coming like only the Creator can come through there.

00:33:11 SPEAKER_463: So sometimes.

00:33:13 SPEAKER_463: Taking it from that angle can also give you a sense of grounding and stability, and a lot of energies can be worked with by sending energy down into red ray from the higher centres, and then grounding it into earth.

00:33:42 SPEAKER_463: But that gets into a kind of more adept work.

00:34:20 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, well, it's kind of it reminds me of the Navajo, who believe that the place of you know most respect is the lowest place, and so they actually dig a pit when there's a teaching, and then the teacher stands in the pit because.

00:34:59 SPEAKER_463: It is felt that, like the lower you are, the closer you are to the heart of Gaia, and it was also because the well they had ant people there, but also it's the interplane guides.

00:35:22 SPEAKER_463: The interplane guides are from within the Earth, and so it's kind of a bit of a contradiction in our I don't know what the term.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_463: With the term for cosmology, I mean theological cosmology is that people often think, oh, hell is down, or bad, or or whatever.

00:35:58 SPEAKER_463: And there are, you know, you know, different levels of the interplanes, and there are some that are of a lower vibration.

00:36:17 SPEAKER_463: However, now that we're in fourth density, you know, majority of them are fine.

00:36:56 SPEAKER_463: But all spirit guides basically come from the interplanes, whereas when you are looking up at the sky and the star beings, they can be of varied polarity.

00:37:09 SPEAKER_463: Whereas all of the interplane ones are there for you base.

00:37:14 SPEAKER_463: Unless, I guess, you are talking to a ghost or something.

00:37:19 SPEAKER_463: But anyway, yeah.

00:37:20 SPEAKER_463: But but that that's that's why the energy comes from the ground is because that you're tapping into the energy of the earth, like through the Schumann resonance and things like that.

00:37:35 SPEAKER_463: So all healing actually happens through the Schumann resonance, and they have scientific proof of this because when an effective healer is doing their healing, then part of their brain is actually in theta wave and synchronizing with the Schumann resonance, seven point three hertz.

00:37:54 SPEAKER_463: It's 7.83 hertz, and then another aspect of the brain is in gamma wave and visualizing the healing happening.

00:38:02 SPEAKER_468: And so, what they're doing is they're actually channeling the Earth's energy by first resonating it at 7.83 hertz, and then directing it with the gamma waves.

00:38:14 SPEAKER_468: Yeah, I learned about that a while back, and I thought that was so beautiful and and just fascinating how it's literally from the healing to the brainwave state synchronization, like we're we're symbiotically linked to Gaia in these really profound ways, and Gaia really is our greatest ally, our greatest sort source of teaching and of healing, and and guidance.

00:38:53 SPEAKER_468: So red ray is very important.

00:38:59 SPEAKER_468: You you're not you don't have any.

00:39:07 SPEAKER_468: There's never anything wrong with working at the level of red ray.

00:39:21 SPEAKER_468: It's the foundation.

00:39:25 SPEAKER_468: For sure, for sure.

00:39:29 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, it's.

00:39:31 SPEAKER_463: They call it an energy system.

00:39:53 SPEAKER_463: It's part of the whole.

00:40:10 SPEAKER_463: None of these, like like Ross says, it's it's better to be balanced in everything just a little bit than being totally like focused in on one.

00:40:28 SPEAKER_463: Yes, that's also true.

00:40:31 SPEAKER_463: Right.

00:40:32 SPEAKER_463: Because like I mean, red ray, you know, full red ray balance, or like focusing on red ray exclusively is the domain of first density entities.

00:40:49 SPEAKER_463: Um, and then you know the second density entities they work all with the first two chakras, and then third densities they work with the first three, and then to graduate to fourth density, you have to do something with the fourth, which is you know for the service to self, they block the fourth, and then use the sixth.

00:41:28 SPEAKER_463: Or the service to others, they open the fourth.

00:41:32 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

00:41:33 SPEAKER_463: Well, I like what it is like.

00:41:36 SPEAKER_463: Whatever we are, consciousness spark, whatever that is, it is expressed in this illusion.

00:41:42 SPEAKER_463: Has these energy fields and these seven chakras make up the energy fields, and then you know there's other lower.

00:41:51 SPEAKER_463: You know that those are broken up as well.

00:41:55 SPEAKER_463: So we're just these giant energy fields that are trying to become aware that we're actually in an illusion that creates these energy fields.

00:42:05 SPEAKER_463: So we have experience.

00:42:07 SPEAKER_468: See, I kind of like you know, I I kind of feel a little bit different.

00:42:40 SPEAKER_468: I suppose, so.

00:42:46 SPEAKER_468: Um, so you you you kind of touched on it, I suppose a bit.

00:42:49 SPEAKER_468: But I see the the red ray and the kind of red ray energy centre as much more as like elemental than to do with like the planet or whatever else.

00:42:56 SPEAKER_468: It is like the the raw prana, like the raw kind of energy of the universe.

00:43:00 SPEAKER_464: You know, like the life force, the actual kind of like the the animating principle.

00:43:03 SPEAKER_464: You know, and you know, I don't really see the the the red ray.

00:43:06 SPEAKER_464: the red chakra as even really part of me it's more like a gateway into my body where where energy moves in through like imagine a red part like ball you know like like the other chakras so there's no actual energy centre as it were it's more like how the crown is like the gate out you know to higher levels you know, the the red ray is like the the gate into me into to activate the body.

00:43:25 SPEAKER_463: Um, but I see that animating force as being, you know, elemental as being like you know how the different energies interact inside me.

00:44:04 SPEAKER_464: You know, like is it still you know like atoms working and and like prana like like the the etheric field like that's kind of how I picture red ray, rather than being anything else.

00:44:23 SPEAKER_464: I suppose, like, and then the energy that moves through is still that same prana, red ray energy.

00:44:34 SPEAKER_466: Just as it goes through the system, it gets utilised by the different higher vibrational centres.

00:44:43 SPEAKER_466: You know what I mean?

00:44:47 SPEAKER_466: Rather than, it sounds like you're describing.

00:44:53 SPEAKER_466: It sounds like you're describing a function.

00:44:59 SPEAKER_466: No, no, no!

00:45:02 SPEAKER_466: I found a very cool quote, guys.

00:45:08 SPEAKER_466: The red ray itself just being the prana, just being the energy that moves through, right?

00:45:21 SPEAKER_466: And then the the the function of the red ray energy centre is to let it in.

00:45:53 SPEAKER_466: Anyway, that's actually it.

00:46:00 SPEAKER_466: Okay.

00:46:01 SPEAKER_466: so this is about the finances because this was also a critical aspect.

00:46:17 SPEAKER_466: The David Wilcox unfortunate lack of financial literacy was also a big part of why he ended his life.

00:46:39 SPEAKER_466: So, if you can picture with me, and this this this has something to do with finances, apparently.

00:46:52 SPEAKER_466: If you can picture with me the formation of mineral crystals.

00:47:00 SPEAKER_463: you will be aware that there is a great deal of rock that is not at all crystallized, and is therefore relatively insensitive to delicate vibrations.

00:47:18 SPEAKER_463: This is analogous to large portions of the peoples of your planet who feel the new vibrations of what you may call the golden age, but whose crystallization of purpose or intent in seeking the path of truth and love of the Creator is so truncated it does not matter to them, and they go about their business and lead the lives that they would lead.

00:47:45 SPEAKER_463: Their relationships being guided almost entirely by their need for procreation, companionship, and financial aid, this governs the relationships of most of those among your peoples.

00:47:55 SPEAKER_463: This is from 1980.

00:47:57 SPEAKER_463: When these conditions are not met, when finances are inadequate, the procreative instinct of one does not suit the other, or the need for companionship is not agreeable to both.

00:48:22 SPEAKER_463: This type of union will cease.

00:48:27 SPEAKER_463: And is this a raw contact?

00:48:32 SPEAKER_463: Let me see.

00:48:34 SPEAKER_463: It's Haton.

00:48:36 SPEAKER_463: Now, we move on to your question.

00:48:41 SPEAKER_463: This, they're seated among you peoples, more crystallized souls.

00:48:48 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:48:49 SPEAKER_463: Anyhow, so I just thought that was interesting because this this is kind of like how you know David Wilcox's relationship also ceased with his wife, and the finances were inadequate, and all that stuff.

00:49:15 SPEAKER_463: because you know he was constantly giving his money to scammers.

00:49:24 SPEAKER_463: Um.

00:49:24 SPEAKER_463: Okay, here, let's see if we can find another.

00:49:32 SPEAKER_463: Some of us just aren't very good with the financial system in general.

00:49:42 SPEAKER_463: Um.

00:49:43 SPEAKER_463: I know I suck.

00:49:46 SPEAKER_463: Oh, I'm horrible at it.

00:49:50 SPEAKER_463: Oh, I.

00:49:52 SPEAKER_463: I can't.

00:49:54 SPEAKER_463: I can't get into it.

00:49:57 SPEAKER_466: The first time.

00:49:59 SPEAKER_466: Oh really?

00:50:00 SPEAKER_466: Oh, I'm a treasurer.

00:50:02 SPEAKER_466: I'm I'm pretty good with with managing finances.

00:50:07 SPEAKER_463: It's like, but I guess I have a Finnish heritage, and so for me, I guess it more comes naturally because all of my ancestors who weren't good at saving died of starvation, because we had nine months of winter.

00:50:33 SPEAKER_463: If you couldn't save for the winter, you you die.

00:50:38 SPEAKER_463: Winter, you you'd die.

00:50:40 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

00:50:41 SPEAKER_463: To better gain, but it's the same that though.

00:50:45 SPEAKER_463: It's the same that though, dude.

00:50:48 SPEAKER_463: It is so cold that you know you can't go to a shop.

00:50:55 SPEAKER_463: It's like minus forty two degrees walking down to the shop.

00:51:01 SPEAKER_463: So it wasn't point having money.

00:51:04 SPEAKER_463: You had to save stuff, surely.

00:51:08 SPEAKER_463: Yes, exactly.

00:51:09 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, we would save stuff.

00:51:11 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, but but still, it doesn't matter.

00:51:14 SPEAKER_463: You're still counting and making sure that you have enough.

00:51:18 SPEAKER_463: It's weird because I'm I'm terrible with money, but I'm great with stuff.

00:51:23 SPEAKER_463: So oh, okay.

00:51:25 SPEAKER_463: I just see them as different skills.

00:51:27 SPEAKER_463: Anyway, oh, I see.

00:51:29 SPEAKER_463: Okay, yeah, I'm kind of the same way.

00:51:32 SPEAKER_463: The um, I know like the Finnish people in general, they they hate going into debt.

00:51:39 SPEAKER_463: Like, like they they like avoid it like the plague.

00:51:43 SPEAKER_464: And I know I have exactly the same thing.

00:51:46 SPEAKER_464: I like, I'm never in debt.

00:51:49 SPEAKER_464: I always have surplus.

00:51:50 SPEAKER_463: You know, because it's it's just because like you you like uh you don't want to be in the middle of the winter and someone comes calling on the debt and it's like that you don't have enough food for the spring.

00:52:03 SPEAKER_463: No.

00:52:04 SPEAKER_463: no, no!

00:52:04 SPEAKER_463: This is not acceptable.

00:52:06 SPEAKER_463: You must have enough.

00:52:07 SPEAKER_463: But that's where faith comes in.

00:52:09 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

00:52:09 SPEAKER_463: Just faith only takes you so far.

00:52:12 SPEAKER_463: There's nine months of winter, man.

00:52:13 SPEAKER_463: Well, it's a all is well, all will be well is a is a dichotomy, a paradox.

00:52:19 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes.

00:52:19 SPEAKER_463: And all all is well and all will be well.

00:52:23 SPEAKER_463: You know, and part of that is listening to.

00:52:25 SPEAKER_463: your strong saving instinct, or maybe you're just gonna freeze and die?

00:52:29 SPEAKER_466: And here, here, nineteen ninety three, oh nine, twelve, and exactly.

00:52:45 SPEAKER_463: So those people who frozen died made room for me and my ancestors who did not.

00:53:08 SPEAKER_463: Well, maybe, but I'm sure many of your ancestors frozen died.

00:53:21 SPEAKER_463: Maybe you, maybe you did in one of your incarnations.

00:53:32 SPEAKER_463: You never know.

00:53:36 SPEAKER_463: Oh well, yeah, you never know.

00:53:42 SPEAKER_463: Um, oh nine twelve.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_466: Why is it weirdly this conversation that we're having is the reason that that whole area still has one of the highest rates of human cannibalism in the world.

00:53:57 SPEAKER_466: To say who, which, which one?

00:53:59 SPEAKER_466: That that that whole kind of north region.

00:54:02 SPEAKER_466: Oh yeah, well there was.

00:54:03 SPEAKER_466: If your nan died, she's dinner.

00:54:05 SPEAKER_466: That's what it.

00:54:06 SPEAKER_466: It's dinner.

00:54:07 SPEAKER_466: That's what it is.

00:54:08 SPEAKER_466: That that was the Samoyed.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, they they are some of my relatives, but they're more distant.

00:54:14 SPEAKER_466: But yes, they they had a very nonchalant attitude towards life.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_466: Um, this is true, and they would just and in the middle of a Siberian winter.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, meat is meat, mate.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_466: I'm sorry.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, well, and then the the the the name Samoyed means those who eat themselves.

00:54:33 SPEAKER_466: So, you know, but yeah, they—they are my more distant relatives.

00:54:38 SPEAKER_466: Okay, someone's playing some music.

00:54:41 SPEAKER_466: So, so anyway, so I found one on finances to better gain access to a right relationship with money.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_466: It is well to place concerns about finances within the holy of holies, which lies within your deep mind, the consciousness of one.

00:55:00 SPEAKER_466: Yeah, yeah.

00:55:01 SPEAKER_466: Are you agreeing?

00:55:03 SPEAKER_466: That's not.

00:55:04 SPEAKER_466: happening.

00:55:04 SPEAKER_466: Okay.

00:55:05 SPEAKER_466: Well, I'm saying that's not happening with me.

00:55:10 SPEAKER_466: Okay.

00:55:11 SPEAKER_466: The consciousness of one is a consciousness of infinite plenty.

00:55:17 SPEAKER_466: The creation is full of all that there is.

00:55:23 SPEAKER_466: Every need has that which can meet the need.

00:55:30 SPEAKER_466: The consciousness of infinite supply sheds a welcome light upon the soul besieged by financial worries.

00:55:40 SPEAKER_466: There you go.

00:55:42 SPEAKER_463: So, okay.

00:55:44 SPEAKER_463: So the way I see it is, yeah, money is Babylonian magic, yeah.

00:55:48 SPEAKER_463: And there's certain rules, you know, like there's the whole thing of like the more you want money, the more you try to get money, the more you aim for money, the harder actually money is to get, unless you have money.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_463: If you have money, then chasing money is actually easier to get because it's like money makes money or whatever is.

00:56:07 SPEAKER_463: But there's like certain rules that.

00:56:09 SPEAKER_463: are like magical principles, and if you learn them, money will just turn up.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

00:56:13 SPEAKER_463: Personally, I don't like money because of that fact.

00:56:16 SPEAKER_463: It is a magical control system.

00:56:18 SPEAKER_463: They are sigils.

00:56:19 SPEAKER_463: They are powerful tools that we should shouldn't be like so reliant on.

00:56:22 SPEAKER_463: So I personally just prefer to think of abundance of just the universe giving me what I need to sustain me to support me.

00:56:34 SPEAKER_463: you know, and and then extras, extravagances, or whatever else.

00:56:39 SPEAKER_463: I do the whole Buddhist thing where you just deal with the desire.

00:56:46 SPEAKER_463: You don't need the things, so why are you worrying about it?

00:56:52 SPEAKER_463: The fact is, if you just keep it to that abundance to that need, money you don't need money.

00:57:01 SPEAKER_464: Money is is a complete lie to to to pull you away from the fact that if you live without it, you'll learn that you can manifest everything you need without it.

00:57:16 SPEAKER_464: So I think personally that it is it is a massive problem.

00:57:22 SPEAKER_464: It is a trick, and yes, we are the opulence of the universal creator.

00:57:29 SPEAKER_464: We are.

00:57:29 SPEAKER_464: There is nothing but abundance.

00:57:32 SPEAKER_464: Money is the thing that's tricking everyone into thinking differently, thinking that money is the same as abundance.

00:57:40 SPEAKER_464: Is the thing that's keeping people trapped.

00:57:45 SPEAKER_464: It's.

00:57:46 SPEAKER_464: It's a lie.

00:57:48 SPEAKER_464: It's nonsense.

00:57:49 SPEAKER_464: It's.

00:57:50 SPEAKER_464: It's.

00:57:51 SPEAKER_464: It's one of the things that's keeping everybody in prison, in my opinion.

00:58:00 SPEAKER_464: Like it's just how I see it.

00:58:05 SPEAKER_464: But honestly, I've lived basically without money.

00:58:10 SPEAKER_464: for what six, seven years now.

00:58:14 SPEAKER_464: Look, I don't even think about it.

00:58:19 SPEAKER_464: It's just not a thing.

00:58:22 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of truth to what you're saying in terms of that.

00:58:31 SPEAKER_463: A lot of life, it's not really about.

00:58:36 SPEAKER_463: I think that it's not.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_469: You know, chasing money is like a terrible way to live.

00:58:46 SPEAKER_469: And oftentimes, people who decide to like move to the city because they're going to get rich or whatever.

00:58:58 SPEAKER_469: That is actually what they're doing is that they they are committing themselves to the rat race and living a life of wage slavery, whereas they could instead live in a more rural area and have a much nicer and more pleasant life with their family.

00:59:29 SPEAKER_469: And and that that's what I chose for myself, you know.

00:59:37 SPEAKER_469: And I'm like you know technically under the the poverty line or.

00:59:43 SPEAKER_469: whatever, but I still feel like an abundance, and I have a better quality of life than most people who are making you know five to ten to a hundred times more than me, because so much of life is exactly it's not money, it's relationships, it's how you live your life, it's what you do with your time, and things like that.

01:00:14 SPEAKER_469: Okay, go ahead, Bill.

01:00:16 SPEAKER_469: I was going to say the okay.

01:00:31 SPEAKER_469: First of all.

01:00:37 SPEAKER_469: we're getting kind of wrong impressions or looking.

01:00:55 SPEAKER_469: We can or or we can look at things differently because I know Q'uo says, and one of the things that money is a blessing, and it is a blessing.

01:01:13 SPEAKER_469: Now a lot of people don't have the the awareness or don't like like for me, I I don't have the awareness and the putting the awareness on making money and stuff like that.

01:01:34 SPEAKER_469: And and you're also talking about abundance.

01:01:36 SPEAKER_469: you're talking about manifestation, and there is magic behind manifestation, and so you can manifest abundance, which could include money, and and and money can be a blessing if you allow it, you know.

01:01:48 SPEAKER_469: But but a lot of times the the the problem we run into is when people, you know, put the priority of money over other people.

01:01:57 SPEAKER_469: That's that's.

01:01:58 SPEAKER_469: the the problem with it, you know.

01:02:00 SPEAKER_469: So so people with a great deal of money, they can either bless a lot of people or just bless themselves.

01:02:07 SPEAKER_469: Same thing, you know.

01:02:09 SPEAKER_469: It's the SDL versus SDS.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_469: So it's it's never the tool.

01:02:12 SPEAKER_469: It's always how the tool is used and the intention in which the tool is is used.

01:02:25 SPEAKER_469: So actually, there's quite a big section on money here.

01:02:33 SPEAKER_469: Who wants?

01:02:34 SPEAKER_469: to read it, Ashley?

01:02:37 SPEAKER_469: I'm sure.

01:02:39 SPEAKER_469: Okay, starting over here.

01:02:42 SPEAKER_469: To backtrack, please move in mind to that prayer which began this session.

01:02:51 SPEAKER_469: You asked for daily bread.

01:02:58 SPEAKER_469: The teacher known as Yeshua recommended that prayer include the concern over money.

01:03:16 SPEAKER_469: That is, that there be enough for today.

01:03:27 SPEAKER_469: If entity.

01:03:30 SPEAKER_469: If entities worried only when there was not enough for this day, a great deal of worry would cease and hearts would calm and feel soothed.

01:03:47 SPEAKER_469: However, though this is true, it is not definitively helpful because there is so much of world opinion which screams that enough for today is not at all a satisfactory end to concern.

01:04:09 SPEAKER_469: But what if you were to alter the term money and subsume?

01:04:13 SPEAKER_469: it in the term energy.

01:04:14 SPEAKER_469: When the term energy is used, this may aid somewhat.

01:04:18 SPEAKER_469: For that which is energy does not need to be hoarded, but rather expresses its nature in its potentiation.

01:04:24 SPEAKER_469: Thusly, the general rule of thumb is that entities may do that which they must to gain enough energy to survive and be comfortable.

01:04:31 SPEAKER_469: This energy may be transmuted.

01:04:33 SPEAKER_469: by those who see the spectrum of energies, so that many things become money, and we feel sure that each can think of many instances where seemingly impossible things have occurred because of the trading of goods and services rather than the insistence upon some single form of energy.

01:04:48 SPEAKER_469: Why then do entities feel that they must be concerned beyond today with money?

01:04:54 SPEAKER_469: for this is the place where concern over money does have a deep metaphysical result—that is, thinking and worrying about the future.

01:05:04 SPEAKER_469: Each is familiar with this habit of thinking: "Is there enough to pay this and this and this?" As each touches into this feeling, we suggest that each is gazing at a temporal being in fear that it may cease to exist, or that it may exist less comfortably.

01:05:27 SPEAKER_469: Even with those who amass great quantities of money, the motivation continues to be at heart based upon fear.

01:05:35 SPEAKER_469: Indeed, money is but one example of the way persons within your culture perceive energy.

01:05:42 SPEAKER_469: We said earlier that the word energy would help those who hoard money, for they see that the use of energy is in being used, consumed, or spent.

01:05:55 SPEAKER_469: but upon another level, those who have ambitions to gain power, for whatever reason, will amass as much extra power or energy as they can.

01:06:06 SPEAKER_469: There being no ceiling on the need for more.

01:06:09 SPEAKER_469: In your culture, there has been more and more an unspoken assumption that there can never be too much energy, money, power, call it what you will.

01:06:17 SPEAKER_469: that there is literally no end to ambition or greed, all in the name of being more secure.

01:06:22 SPEAKER_469: Yet where is your security?

01:06:24 SPEAKER_469: In the bank which may fall, in the job which may cease, in the legal agreements which may be broken.

01:06:30 SPEAKER_469: Seek for that security.

01:06:31 SPEAKER_469: Seek to amass energy saved against possible need, and feel the footsteps wander off the path.

01:06:36 SPEAKER_469: The solution.

01:06:37 SPEAKER_469: each day is to orient the way of perceiving, on a conscious level, when you see yourself turning to that grasping concern for more than enough.

01:06:45 SPEAKER_469: Say to the self, "Let go." They actually, they actually said reorient.

01:06:50 SPEAKER_469: The solution each day is to reorient it.

01:06:54 SPEAKER_469: Ah, reorient.

01:06:55 SPEAKER_469: The solution each day is to reorient, reorient the way of.

01:07:00 SPEAKER_463: perceiving on a conscious level, when you see yourself turning to that grasping concern for more than enough, say to the self, "Let go of fear." We realize we speak to those who must work long hours in order to pay for food, and lodging, and all necessities and desired objects.

01:07:24 SPEAKER_463: Yet we suggest that those who do not need to spend long hours working are still just as capable of losing sight completely of their true nature and of their true orientation, with regard to plenty, if you must go to the place you would not wish to do a job you would not choose.

01:08:02 SPEAKER_466: Yet still, those who have no need but to please themselves and spend at least as much of their time in fear.

01:08:12 SPEAKER_466: The question of supply is perhaps the deepest chasm of irrational concern which seduces your peoples.

01:08:20 SPEAKER_463: In the face of this, we simply suggest that as the healthy regard for money is in being sure of the daily bread, and then allowing concerns to fall away as appropriate, each simply move each day or each time he feels this concern into a conscious reorientation.

01:08:41 SPEAKER_463: Step back now and gaze at the illusion.

01:08:43 SPEAKER_463: Money is a perfect symbol for this entire illusion.

01:08:45 SPEAKER_463: It is a polarized concept.

01:08:46 SPEAKER_463: Not only is it more and less, but all and nothing.

01:08:49 SPEAKER_463: To the prudent, there is more money and less money.

01:08:51 SPEAKER_463: To the large majority, there is the state called "I have money" and the state called "I don't have enough." It is all or nothing.

01:08:57 SPEAKER_463: Such is the radical.

01:08:58 SPEAKER_463: Such is the radicalizing effect of fear.

01:08:59 SPEAKER_463: Your situation surrounds you, and seemingly would be obvious to you.

01:09:02 SPEAKER_463: Yet it is carefully structured—that is, the illusion is carefully structured—so that you do not catch on to the depth of illusion.

01:09:07 SPEAKER_463: We praise this illusion in which you struggle, even though the struggle is not necessary in terms of sheer metaphysics.

01:09:11 SPEAKER_463: Within third density, each of you came to struggle, came to be confused and befuddled, came to develop fears, to do all the wrong things, to clutch and grasp at everything from money to ideas, feeling needy.

01:09:20 SPEAKER_463: And why?

01:09:20 SPEAKER_463: Because it is in working with these honest feelings that the entity within you, the spirit, the consciousness, may float about the being with all these concerns and may interact with it, in such a way that consciousness is transferred into the working brain, the working mind.

01:09:59 SPEAKER_463: Basically, your job here is to, within incarnation, begin to allow the programming of consciousness to replace the programming of your mind, which deals with the illusion in a polarized manner.

01:10:38 SPEAKER_463: See the concern for money as the challenge it is.

01:10:40 SPEAKER_463: What consciousness does to this concern is to lend it the awareness that there is enough.

01:10:44 SPEAKER_463: For consciousness is infinite.

01:10:45 SPEAKER_463: Celebrate your problems; they bring you to the point of desiring and seeking a higher truth.

01:10:48 SPEAKER_463: We encourage every discomfort of mind that leads you to seek and seek and seek again.

01:10:52 SPEAKER_463: This entity just thought to itself that it tends to seek and seek and seek again to have enough money to spend, very well.

01:10:57 SPEAKER_463: That seeking too may provide material for an entire lifetime.

01:10:59 SPEAKER_463: However, there is an alternative to seeking within the illusion, that is simply seeking the consciousness and its infinite plenteousness.

01:11:04 SPEAKER_463: We would at this time transfer this contact to the one known as Jim.

01:11:07 SPEAKER_463: Where those of cool.

01:11:08 SPEAKER_463: All right.

01:11:08 SPEAKER_463: Thank you so much.

01:11:09 SPEAKER_463: That's pretty heavy and pretty beautiful at the same time.

01:11:11 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, no, it's great.

01:11:12 SPEAKER_463: I think that was some top-notch stuff.

01:11:14 SPEAKER_463: Sure.

01:11:14 SPEAKER_463: Money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money.

01:11:16 SPEAKER_463: And energy.

01:11:16 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:11:17 SPEAKER_463: He's.

01:11:17 SPEAKER_463: There was some before that too.

01:11:18 SPEAKER_463: Here.

01:11:19 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

01:11:19 SPEAKER_464: Make article for this now, and then maybe we can do a deep dive.

01:11:23 SPEAKER_464: What did you guys think of it so far from that reading?

01:11:26 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, definitely resonated.

01:11:27 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, definitely.

01:11:27 SPEAKER_464: Like, like, so that's that's kind of exactly how I see it.

01:11:31 SPEAKER_464: The money isn't the thing that we need.

01:11:33 SPEAKER_464: Like, you know, it's there, but it is just this this tool of like the the illusion.

01:11:37 SPEAKER_464: I fully agree with that.

01:11:39 SPEAKER_463: Like, I think that you know, the finding out that you don't need that, and finding out that all the fear and all the worry that you put on it is isn't worth it, and all the work that you do, you'd you'd be better off having time for yourself rather than doing all that extra work that you don't need to do.

01:11:56 SPEAKER_463: But honestly, love that quotes so awesome.

01:12:15 SPEAKER_463: Uh huh.

01:12:21 SPEAKER_463: Um.

01:12:23 SPEAKER_463: So yeah, let's see.

01:12:35 SPEAKER_463: Your sphere has great feelings concerning the system whereby a symbol of wealth is used in order to purchase goods or services.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_463: Money is a condensed symbol of energy within the illusion.

01:13:03 SPEAKER_463: The problem is not its use, but the meaning projected onto it.

01:13:13 SPEAKER_463: There is, yeah, because I know, for me, like when it was, what resonated, where it was talking about here, the the seeking of the money at the very end, and.

01:13:52 SPEAKER_464: But you don't really need to seek it.

01:13:57 SPEAKER_464: You just need to be in that infinite plenteousness, and it's kind of like you know.

01:14:05 SPEAKER_464: Every day, you know, I have a prayer, and part of it is you know, I thank the Lord for the provision, which is like you know that if I need it, then someone will you know buy a plant from me or request that I help them with IT stuff.

01:14:31 SPEAKER_463: Or you know, money will come to me in another way, and so and then it works, you know.

01:14:35 SPEAKER_463: And then I have enough, and I don't really have to worry.

01:14:37 SPEAKER_463: I mean, I still you know budget and keep track so that I don't overspend.

01:14:39 SPEAKER_463: But we have a good life, all considered.

01:14:41 SPEAKER_463: Okay, so there is the universal perception that whatever is being received is probably not enough.

01:14:44 SPEAKER_463: For there's not enough extra.

01:14:45 SPEAKER_463: Well, you see, I think that's ingratitude.

01:14:46 SPEAKER_463: That's that's a lack of gratitude.

01:14:47 SPEAKER_463: You you gotta be grateful for what you receive, and that it is enough.

01:14:49 SPEAKER_463: And trust the Lord that, Lord is giving you what you need.

01:14:51 SPEAKER_463: Um, what about well, that's also that's also fear.

01:14:53 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah, fear of future lack.

01:14:54 SPEAKER_463: But it says it's not lack, but fear of future lack, which which is also silly.

01:14:57 SPEAKER_463: I think.

01:14:57 SPEAKER_463: So so I would classify it exactly in gratitude because it's hard to take that leap when you're in fear.

01:15:01 SPEAKER_463: You like don't intend to be not grateful because you're in fear.

01:15:03 SPEAKER_463: Hmm.

01:15:03 SPEAKER_463: But yeah, the the fear is the what's creates the blockage, right?

01:15:05 SPEAKER_463: This is the root of the red frame balance in finances, not lack, but the fear of future lack.

01:15:09 SPEAKER_463: So it's and you know that's the problem.

01:15:10 SPEAKER_464: So you you need to rest in that that you have enough and you will have enough.

01:15:16 SPEAKER_464: Um, just like all is well and all will be well, because you create with your thoughts.

01:15:21 SPEAKER_464: If you have a fear of a future lack, you are creating a future lack.

01:15:26 SPEAKER_464: But kind of what I'm talking about is compassion.

01:15:29 SPEAKER_464: You can kind of be compassionate to people, and because you can judge them as not being grateful for what they got, they can get more abundance.

01:15:38 SPEAKER_464: But really, they're in fear.

01:15:39 SPEAKER_464: So, so we gotta up our kind of awareness that people are in fear, and then give them our compassion, even though it a lot of times seems undeserved.

01:15:49 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:15:49 SPEAKER_464: No, we we can still have compassion for them.

01:15:57 SPEAKER_463: I'm just saying that, like, for me, from from my personal, um, you know, that this it would be rude if you give someone something, and this is probably not going to be enough.

01:16:28 SPEAKER_463: It's like that's kind of rude.

01:16:33 SPEAKER_463: Oh, you know what I mean?

01:16:37 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, that's a different.

01:16:41 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, that that's what I mean because, like, I'm looking at it from the perspective of the infinite creator providing for someone.

01:16:58 SPEAKER_463: You know, that doesn't make you want to give them more.

01:17:07 SPEAKER_463: If they if they're very grateful with what they've been given, and they're like, "Wow, this is amazing!

01:17:09 SPEAKER_463: Thank you so much!" You know, hey, maybe toss them more.

01:17:11 SPEAKER_463: Then, hey, maybe make them happier.

01:17:12 SPEAKER_463: Hey, maybe they'll do a dance.

01:17:12 SPEAKER_463: You know, so the brain is quite effective at dealing with problems within the illusion.

01:17:14 SPEAKER_463: The key is gained through the use of conscious.

01:17:16 SPEAKER_463: Gained through the use of consciousness rather than the brain.

01:17:17 SPEAKER_463: That's right.

01:17:17 SPEAKER_463: The spirit is more powerful than the brain.

01:17:18 SPEAKER_463: The brain operates in prediction, accumulation, risk management, but consciousness operates in presence, trust, and unity.

01:17:21 SPEAKER_463: Financial clarity comes from not thinking harder, but from shifting the level of awareness.

01:17:22 SPEAKER_463: For sure.

01:17:23 SPEAKER_463: For sure.

01:17:23 SPEAKER_463: I know, like, you know, like I see people thinking about, like, you know, my age, like.

01:17:25 SPEAKER_463: I saw a video the other day, I don't know if they're millennial or what, but they were talking about retirement savings.

01:17:28 SPEAKER_463: Is like, what?

01:17:29 SPEAKER_463: You think that that's gonna be a valid thing?

01:17:30 SPEAKER_463: Like, you really think that the economy is gonna last that long?

01:17:32 SPEAKER_463: I don't know.

01:17:32 SPEAKER_463: I don't know.

01:17:32 SPEAKER_463: It just seems so silly to me.

01:17:33 SPEAKER_463: But I, I trust that all will be well.

01:17:35 SPEAKER_463: But I just don't think that necessarily money is gonna be how.

01:17:36 SPEAKER_463: Well, we we we live in a culture like I'll give you an example, like.

01:17:38 SPEAKER_463: Twenty years ago, maybe twenty five years ago, maybe a little less.

01:17:40 SPEAKER_464: They used to have a commercial for an investment firm, and people were literally walking around, and they had like a a number attached to them, like million point one point two three hundred thousand, you know, blah blah blah, you know.

01:17:46 SPEAKER_464: That so, so the commercial made a person just walking around with this number, and this number was all about their retirement.

01:18:12 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, yeah.

01:18:15 SPEAKER_307: Net worth.

01:18:17 SPEAKER_307: Yeah, yeah.

01:18:20 SPEAKER_307: Now you should invest.

01:18:25 SPEAKER_307: So this is the kind of conditioning that we've done.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_307: Right, right.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_307: I mean, it's quite remarkable if you think about it.

01:18:30 SPEAKER_307: And here we got the correct orientation.

01:18:31 SPEAKER_307: Infinite supply.

01:18:32 SPEAKER_307: That's right, my friends.

01:18:33 SPEAKER_307: Infinite supply.

01:18:33 SPEAKER_307: The consciousness of one is a consciousness of infinite plenty.

01:18:35 SPEAKER_307: The creation is full of all that there is.

01:18:37 SPEAKER_307: Every need has that which can meet the need.

01:18:40 SPEAKER_307: This I cannot emphasize enough.

01:18:41 SPEAKER_307: Like this is the central teaching.

01:18:42 SPEAKER_307: Yes, it's so true, and this is, oh my gosh, I think like I will have to crosspost this because that is just so beautiful.

01:18:48 SPEAKER_307: And so, yeah, what do you guys think of that?

01:18:50 SPEAKER_307: Well, the whole thing to me is all these problems and these circumstances and these, you know, confusions.

01:18:54 SPEAKER_307: They're all meant for us to go from that kind of chaotic spot of fear and not having enough, and then kind of coming into our own being and start seeking within, start seeking the consciousness, start seeking the Creator.

01:19:03 SPEAKER_307: So.

01:19:04 SPEAKER_307: So this is all set up for us to seek to break us out of this illusion and see what we can, you know, because that's the great challenge of this place is to break out of the illusion and start seeking, you know, the Creator and the Creator within.

01:19:42 SPEAKER_464: How can you do that if you're embroiled in all this fear?

01:19:45 SPEAKER_464: For sure, for sure.

01:19:46 SPEAKER_464: You have to be in that state of love and gratitude and faith, faith that every need will be met.

01:19:51 SPEAKER_464: You know, and you know that surrender.

01:19:53 SPEAKER_463: And I, I feel like that's the most beautiful place to be.

01:19:56 SPEAKER_463: You know, just allowing the infinite Creator to provide, and then being grateful for that provision.

01:20:00 SPEAKER_463: I know for me, it's a life practice.

01:20:02 SPEAKER_463: You know, that I've been doing for many years, decades, and.

01:20:05 SPEAKER_463: It works.

01:20:06 SPEAKER_463: So you see this as surrender.

01:20:07 SPEAKER_463: I see it partially as surrender.

01:20:09 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, part of it is surrender.

01:20:10 SPEAKER_463: Part of it is gratitude.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_463: And you know, because yeah, like part of it is kind of like I, I, I, from my terms of understanding of like how a magic spell works, is that in order to finish casting the spell.

01:20:21 SPEAKER_464: You have to let it go, and that means accepting all outcomes, whether it happens or whether it does not happen.

01:20:33 SPEAKER_463: That is risen up to the infinite Creator to decide, or the higher self, and then just being happy with all possible outcomes, and then just allowing the Creator to lead you to whatever it is.

01:20:54 SPEAKER_463: And it doesn't always work out exactly the same way, but.

01:21:00 SPEAKER_463: In my experience, it often works out very well.

01:21:02 SPEAKER_463: And as my magic spells always says, better than expected, and that's that's how usually is.

01:21:05 SPEAKER_463: So when when you're saying casting the spell, to me that's manifestation.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_463: You would or or for manifestation.

01:21:09 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_463: Well, it's basically expressing your desire of what you wish to experience, and I mean, like I've actually, you know, I used to do a lot more of that.

01:21:16 SPEAKER_463: Nowadays, I do more just listening, and in terms of surrendering and listening, what does the higher self want from me to do?

01:21:21 SPEAKER_463: What should I do?

01:21:22 SPEAKER_464: Because I feel like it is my little self has no idea what is the best thing that for me, you know, because my plan is so tiny in comparison to the infinite Creator's plan for me.

01:21:29 SPEAKER_463: You know of all the potential things, and so my task each morning is, you know, to you know hear from the Holy Spirit what it is that the Spirit has for me today to do, and then I do that, and I find joy in that.

01:21:39 SPEAKER_463: But but isn't the but isn't your desire the infinite Creator's desire?

01:21:42 SPEAKER_463: Uh well, like I said, it is.

01:21:44 SPEAKER_463: We everything is valid.

01:21:45 SPEAKER_463: Everything is valid.

01:21:46 SPEAKER_463: If you if you're experiencing in a different way, that's totally valid.

01:21:49 SPEAKER_463: And I I'm just expressing how how I'm experiencing it.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_463: Well, I mean, in the Confederation, they tell us that it is the infinite Creator's desire that there be love.

01:21:57 SPEAKER_463: That yes, people give love and then receive love or whatever you know.

01:22:00 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

01:22:00 SPEAKER_463: You know, so that's kind of so after that, you know, what is the infinite Creator's desire?

01:22:04 SPEAKER_463: And I think if the infinite desire is to see each of its creation, you know, experience what it wants, so the Creator can experience itself an infinite amount of ways.

01:22:12 SPEAKER_463: Yes, your desires and intentions are what a lot of times I think you know that's what the Creator intends and desires.

01:22:18 SPEAKER_463: But the top thing always is love.

01:22:57 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes, and that's another one of my prayers, daily prayers, is you know that the Creator aligns my thoughts, feelings, words, and actions to be of greater service for all creation, and so my desires are aligned with you know the Creator's desire.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_463: I want to do what the Creator wishes me to do today.

01:23:07 SPEAKER_463: You know, I that that that's what I'm like aiming for.

01:23:09 SPEAKER_463: That's like yes, that that's what gives me that yeah.

01:23:11 SPEAKER_463: And I would say that that your desires are what the Creator desires exactly.

01:23:14 SPEAKER_463: Exactly, and and it's especially the cherry on top if you're seeking that love.

01:23:16 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes, and exactly, like you know, I have visions of what it is that I am to do, and you know, sometimes I have, you know, maybe you would call them concerns or doubts or or or a lack of knowing, and then you know I have a lay down, and then I have a dream vision explaining how it is to go, and it is beautiful, and it is enlivening and rejuvenating, and helps me have more confidence in the path that is put forth.

01:23:33 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, because what you're describing to me is a paradox, especially for this level of density.

01:23:36 SPEAKER_463: I'm not sure.

01:23:39 SPEAKER_463: Why?

01:23:40 SPEAKER_463: What do you mean?

01:23:45 SPEAKER_463: The paradox is that you want to do what the Creator desires, but the but the Creator wants you to do what you desire.

01:24:15 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

01:24:17 SPEAKER_463: Yes.

01:24:20 SPEAKER_463: Well, I think that there is kind of there's the body's desire, right?

01:24:53 SPEAKER_463: Well, it's all, but but it's this.

01:25:32 SPEAKER_463: I remember I said it's a paradox at this level.

01:25:34 SPEAKER_463: I see.

01:25:34 SPEAKER_463: Okay, fair enough.

01:25:35 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:25:35 SPEAKER_463: So, Christ's alignment, daily bread.

01:25:36 SPEAKER_463: You asked for daily bread, enough for today.

01:25:37 SPEAKER_463: Christ teaching aligns precisely.

01:25:37 SPEAKER_463: Focus on today.

01:25:38 SPEAKER_463: Release anxiety about tomorrow.

01:25:38 SPEAKER_463: Trust provision moment by moment.

01:25:39 SPEAKER_463: Confederation reading.

01:25:40 SPEAKER_463: If concern remained only at the level of present need, most suffering would dissolve.

01:25:42 SPEAKER_463: And I think that this is so true.

01:25:43 SPEAKER_463: And you know, it's it really makes things so much easier.

01:25:45 SPEAKER_464: You don't have to worry.

01:25:45 SPEAKER_464: You can just, you know, love and be kind to the present moment.

01:25:47 SPEAKER_464: And and like I said, you know, I don't have to do all these, you know, super sophisticated plans or whatever.

01:25:51 SPEAKER_464: You know, I I have, I am given the visions of the long term, but also I don't have to worry about it.

01:25:54 SPEAKER_464: I just have to worry for today.

01:25:55 SPEAKER_464: As I said, enough for today.

01:25:56 SPEAKER_464: And and Andre.

01:25:57 SPEAKER_464: And Andrii, for what it's worth, I think that's pretty awesome that you do have those desires and plans.

01:25:59 SPEAKER_464: That's pretty cool.

01:26:00 SPEAKER_464: Thank you, thank you.

01:26:01 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:26:01 SPEAKER_464: Yeah.

01:26:01 SPEAKER_464: Just just embodying the vision.

01:26:02 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

01:26:02 SPEAKER_464: Of my ability, the trap, hoarding, and control.

01:26:03 SPEAKER_464: There has been an unspoken assumption: there can never be too much.

01:26:05 SPEAKER_464: All in the name of being more secure.

01:26:07 SPEAKER_464: Accumulation, fear.

01:26:07 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, yeah.

01:26:07 SPEAKER_464: There, unspoken assumption.

01:26:08 SPEAKER_464: Ah, I see.

01:26:08 SPEAKER_464: Even with those who amass great quantities of money, the motivation continues to be at the heart, based upon fear.

01:26:11 SPEAKER_464: Like, like Bill Gates.

01:26:13 SPEAKER_463: You know, it's like he's never satisfied because he hasn't opened his heart.

01:26:18 SPEAKER_463: He's not connected to the infinite heart that connects us all, and that is.

01:26:23 SPEAKER_463: And I'm not sure that his specific type of person has a heart, dude.

01:26:28 SPEAKER_463: Well, it may be blocked.

01:26:30 SPEAKER_463: It may be completely blocked.

01:26:32 SPEAKER_463: But I just, I just know, and I sympathize because I know how hard it is to have a blocked heart and to constantly, you know, feel unsatisfied.

01:26:42 SPEAKER_463: And that, well, when I mean that's that's heavy control and manipulation with that guy because when you've got a guy.

01:26:50 SPEAKER_463: That guy, because when you got a guy saying, "Hey, we're gonna give out these vaccines, and that's gonna reduce the population by fifteen percent," yeah, okay, all right, are you gonna give out vaccines, and it's gonna reduce the?

01:27:25 SPEAKER_463: Okay, all right, yeah, okay.

01:27:29 SPEAKER_463: What?

01:27:30 SPEAKER_463: What did I miss?

01:27:32 SPEAKER_463: Oh, okay, I'm really stupid.

01:27:36 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, no, I I know exactly what you mean, and it it it's all related, and it's been covered in the raw contact.

01:27:52 SPEAKER_463: You know that they derive a form of sexual pleasure from dominating other people in this way.

01:28:04 SPEAKER_463: The deeper question: What is security?

01:28:08 SPEAKER_463: Where is your security in the bank, which may fail?

01:28:11 SPEAKER_463: In the job, which may cease?

01:28:13 SPEAKER_463: This is the turning point.

01:28:15 SPEAKER_463: All external forms are finite, unstable, and temporary.

01:28:17 SPEAKER_463: True stability must come from elsewhere.

01:28:19 SPEAKER_463: Was come from elsewhere.

01:28:21 SPEAKER_463: The only place is the infinite Creator that can give you that stability.

01:28:25 SPEAKER_463: All else is loss.

01:28:26 SPEAKER_463: Everything else is just you know a flag waving in the wind.

01:28:30 SPEAKER_463: Reframing money as energy.

01:28:32 SPEAKER_463: What if you were to alter the term money and subsume it in the term of energy?

01:28:37 SPEAKER_463: So so yeah.

01:28:38 SPEAKER_463: Just you guys.

01:28:39 SPEAKER_463: You guys see how this is just like the path of joy and the path of sorrow.

01:28:45 SPEAKER_463: Well, it's a it's a paradox.

01:28:47 SPEAKER_463: Well, these are points to make.

01:28:50 SPEAKER_463: We got to remember that this third density is created to confuse.

01:28:56 SPEAKER_463: You were put down here to be utterly confused.

01:29:01 SPEAKER_464: So ultimately, that confusion, if we channel it right, will lead us to being so exhausted by you know running the treadmill of this confusion.

01:29:13 SPEAKER_464: We finally stop and you know meditate, think, go within.

01:29:18 SPEAKER_464: You know.

01:29:19 SPEAKER_464: Fair enough.

01:29:20 SPEAKER_464: Yes.

01:29:21 SPEAKER_464: Yes.

01:29:22 SPEAKER_463: There's that as well because it's the clinging.

01:29:26 SPEAKER_463: It's the idea is to stop the clinging because that clinging is where that confusion lies.

01:29:29 SPEAKER_463: Well, the idea is to break the illusion.

01:29:30 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes.

01:29:31 SPEAKER_463: To realize you don't like David Wilcock.

01:29:32 SPEAKER_463: He was learning that he didn't have that financial security, even with all his books and everything else.

01:29:35 SPEAKER_463: You know, and that he needed to put his faith in the infinite creator.

01:29:38 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, he lost his faith.

01:29:39 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

01:29:39 SPEAKER_463: It was unfortunate.

01:29:40 SPEAKER_463: It was unfortunate.

01:29:40 SPEAKER_463: But it's perfect, in its own way.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_463: Yeah.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_463: You saying that because he lost his faith, we're not gonna have flying cars?

01:29:44 SPEAKER_463: Because that sucks, dude.

01:29:45 SPEAKER_463: No, no, the flying car thing was a scam, man.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_463: There were no flying cars.

01:29:48 SPEAKER_463: No, no, you not having enough faith, dude.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_463: You not having enough faith.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_463: You know what?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_463: Joking, I'm joking, dude.

01:29:52 SPEAKER_463: Okay.

01:29:52 SPEAKER_463: I know you have a thing with sarcasm.

01:29:54 SPEAKER_463: Obviously, I'm kidding.

01:29:54 SPEAKER_463: Oh, okay.

01:29:54 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, I didn't understand that.

01:29:55 SPEAKER_464: Thank you for clarifying.

01:29:56 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, I got lost on that one too.

01:29:58 SPEAKER_464: Yeah, and then actually, the New Age Silver Timeline, which I'm helping co-create, you know, along with all the other Lightworkers, who like food forests.

01:30:02 SPEAKER_464: There are flying cars.

01:30:03 SPEAKER_464: You know, a hundred years from now.

01:30:04 SPEAKER_464: But we'll see them when they get there.

01:30:06 SPEAKER_464: When we get there, we don't have to give our money away to scammers in the present.

01:30:10 SPEAKER_464: What if you were to alter the term money and subsume in the term energy?

01:30:14 SPEAKER_464: This is a powerful shift.

01:30:15 SPEAKER_464: Energy flows, exchanges, transforms.

01:30:16 SPEAKER_464: It is not meant to be frozen in fear.

01:30:18 SPEAKER_463: Money is one form of exchange, not the only form, not the ultimate measure of value.

01:30:21 SPEAKER_463: For sure.

01:30:22 SPEAKER_463: You know, a lot of those wealthy people have a very low quality of life because they're working all the time instead of actually enjoying spending time with their family.

01:30:28 SPEAKER_463: Or they just don't want to spend money.

01:30:30 SPEAKER_463: Well, I mean, some of them, yeah, I know.

01:30:32 SPEAKER_463: Like especially people who have gone from nothing to having tens of millions of dollars, they're usually like eating crackers and bottled water.

01:30:37 SPEAKER_463: Or like not even, you know, like tap water.

01:30:40 SPEAKER_463: So yeah, because they're yeah, they're still so stuck in fear they can't enjoy what they earn.

01:30:43 SPEAKER_463: Yes, and and they can't, you know, go and they won't help others to enjoy it as well because there's a great there's a whole lot of joy in helping others.

01:31:15 SPEAKER_463: You know, expending your energy with others.

01:31:22 SPEAKER_463: Spending your energy with others, for others.

01:31:23 SPEAKER_463: Well, there's actually a lot of millionaires are created through service to others.

01:31:24 SPEAKER_463: So at least there is that.

01:31:25 SPEAKER_463: The solution is simple, but not easy.

01:31:26 SPEAKER_463: Say to the self, "Let go of fear." Each time fear rises, pause, step back, reorient.

01:31:28 SPEAKER_463: Not by denial, but by awareness.

01:31:28 SPEAKER_463: I think that the other aspect that's not mentioned here is to feel oneself with love.

01:31:30 SPEAKER_463: You know, because perfect love drives out all fear.

01:31:31 SPEAKER_463: See the concern, and it starts with the like pure good love of yourself.

01:31:32 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes.

01:31:33 SPEAKER_463: You know, you don't love yourself because you make enough money, or you you know dislike yourself because you don't make enough money.

01:31:35 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, you have to love yourself unconditionally, as the Creator loves you.

01:31:36 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yeah.

01:31:37 SPEAKER_463: That's that's where it begins.

01:31:37 SPEAKER_463: Yes, yes.

01:31:37 SPEAKER_463: See the concern for money as the challenge it is.

01:31:39 SPEAKER_463: Celebrate your problems.

01:31:39 SPEAKER_463: They bring you to the point of desiring and seeking a higher truth.

01:31:40 SPEAKER_463: I think that's what you were talking about before.

01:31:41 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's what it said.

01:31:42 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, deep seeking, invite awareness, expose the fear.

01:31:43 SPEAKER_463: That's what the struggle is designed to do.

01:31:44 SPEAKER_463: There is an alternative to seeking within the illusion.

01:31:45 SPEAKER_463: That is simply seeking the consciousness and its infinite plentiness.

01:31:46 SPEAKER_463: That's right.

01:31:46 SPEAKER_463: You don't need to seek for exactly.

01:31:47 SPEAKER_463: That's that's another thing that I discovered.

01:31:47 SPEAKER_463: You know, with the magic spells, it's it's it works much better if you just decide on what end state you're aiming for instead of how to get there.

01:31:51 SPEAKER_463: So when people want money, they're actually going for the how rather than the end state.

01:31:52 SPEAKER_463: You know, like the end state that I wanted was you know having time to spend with my family and and loving and being kind to one another, and you know, having food for us, and all these things, and and it's not necessarily there's money involved, but not as much as many would think.

01:31:58 SPEAKER_463: And you can seek, you know, or you can seek alignment, awareness, sufficiency, and that's beautiful.

01:32:00 SPEAKER_463: Both are valid experiences.

01:32:00 SPEAKER_463: Only one resolves the fear.

01:32:01 SPEAKER_463: Well.

01:32:01 SPEAKER_463: No, only one is just pure love.

01:32:05 SPEAKER_463: Practical guidance for seekers: notice the pattern, observe, worry about future needs, or just accommodate since not enough.

01:32:16 SPEAKER_463: Ask: Is there enough for today?

01:32:19 SPEAKER_463: You are not your finances; you are consciousness experiencing them.

01:32:25 SPEAKER_463: Allow exchange, movement, transformation.

01:32:27 SPEAKER_463: When anxiety arises, consciously release it.

01:32:31 SPEAKER_463: Work, plan, provide.

01:32:32 SPEAKER_463: Money is not the problem.

01:32:35 SPEAKER_463: Fear of not having enough is the distortion.

01:32:40 SPEAKER_463: When the fear relaxes, something profound happens.

01:32:41 SPEAKER_463: Clarity returns.

01:32:42 SPEAKER_463: The shizines improve.

01:32:42 SPEAKER_463: The body softens.

01:32:43 SPEAKER_463: Love flows more freely.

01:32:44 SPEAKER_463: And beneath it all, one realization begins to take root: there is enough.

01:32:47 SPEAKER_463: And and the the point right above it said it all.

01:32:49 SPEAKER_463: You are not your finances.

01:32:50 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, that's right.

01:32:50 SPEAKER_463: That's right.

01:32:51 SPEAKER_463: That's true.

01:32:51 SPEAKER_463: But but I mean, it's funny.

01:32:52 SPEAKER_463: But this is how the world looks, and a lot of things that your finances are you.

01:32:56 SPEAKER_463: It defines you.

01:32:56 SPEAKER_463: That is quite silly, because everyone is so much more.

01:32:58 SPEAKER_463: No, I.

01:32:59 SPEAKER_463: It is silly, but it's a harsh reality.

01:33:00 SPEAKER_463: I hear you.

01:33:01 SPEAKER_463: I hear you.

01:33:02 SPEAKER_463: And you know we can sympathize for those people who have such a simple view, because you know ultimately everyone is the infinite creator, and that is.

01:33:07 SPEAKER_463: One is the infinite creator, and that is a much more joyful way of looking at things.

01:33:11 SPEAKER_463: Because when you see others as higher or lower, that creates a feeling of separation and division, and that leads to pain and loneliness and suffering.

01:33:16 SPEAKER_463: And that was part of the reason that you know David picked up that gun.

01:33:19 SPEAKER_463: And so you know we have to aim to instead to recognize that wholeness, that oneness.

01:33:27 SPEAKER_463: That everyone is sufficient, no matter how much they have or how little they have, that they are worthy of unconditional love, they're worthy of human rights, you know, they are a blessed creature of the creation, you know, just like those birds in the trees, you know, all deserve life and love, and are loved by the infinite creator.

01:33:58 SPEAKER_463: Okay, any final reminder?

01:34:01 SPEAKER_463: Any final remarks, guys?

01:34:05 SPEAKER_464: Before well, the birds and the trees—that's like a parable, parable, parable, or a metaphor to not to worry.

01:34:22 SPEAKER_464: Yes, exactly, exactly.

01:34:24 SPEAKER_463: Because you know, yeah, the creator's taking care of them all, just every day.

01:34:37 SPEAKER_463: And just like you, you, you're just like a bird.

01:34:40 SPEAKER_463: You deserve love too, and just allow yourself to be loved.

01:34:44 SPEAKER_463: You know.

01:34:45 SPEAKER_463: We're working on it.

01:34:46 SPEAKER_463: Very good, very good.

01:34:47 SPEAKER_463: All right, Ed, Bill, Fred, Ashley, anyone else?

01:34:50 SPEAKER_463: Good.

01:34:50 SPEAKER_463: I was just gonna say I really enjoyed this, guys.

01:34:54 SPEAKER_463: Thank you.

01:34:55 SPEAKER_463: Yeah, it was good.

01:34:56 SPEAKER_463: Thank you.

01:34:57 SPEAKER_463: Great.

01:34:57 SPEAKER_463: All right.

01:34:58 SPEAKER_463: Happy to be of service.

01:34:59 SPEAKER_463: All right.

01:35:00 SPEAKER_463: So as I found you, I leave you in the infinite love, an infinite light, the infinite creator within you and all around you, my friends.

01:35:09 SPEAKER_463: Go forth therefore rejoicing in their infinite power and infinite peace.

01:35:13 SPEAKER_463: Adonai, v'asubaragos.

01:35:13 SPEAKER_463: Adonai.

01:35:14 SPEAKER_463: Adonai.

01:35:14 SPEAKER_463: All right.

01:35:15 SPEAKER_463: On we.