Andrii-zvorygin Spiritual Meeting Transcript — April 3, 2026

00:00:01 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I think we're live.

00:00:03 SPEAKER_001: Greetings in the love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:06 SPEAKER_001: I am Andre, and joined here with Bill and Annette, and we will be reading and discussing the Confederation teachings on salvation.

00:00:12 SPEAKER_001: And so I will begin with a distillation based on my eyes, but here is—you can see the full thing.

00:00:29 SPEAKER_001: We will also be going over these verses.

00:00:32 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:00:34 SPEAKER_001: So to begin with, the basic idea: salvation is the awakening to the inner power of love and the realization that the self is an energy field of consciousness connected to the infinite Creator.

00:00:48 SPEAKER_001: This state enables graduation, evolution in mind, body, and spirit beyond the reliance on external belief, physical events, or specific achievements.

00:01:00 SPEAKER_001: True salvation enters the open heart, in all current conditions, honouring the self's inherent worthiness and infinite value, even while feeling broken or sorrowing.

00:01:13 SPEAKER_001: The cardinal training sentence of it is: the salvation awakens the inner power of love, manifests through service with a glad heart, and rolls away the stone of self-doubt to reveal daily truth.

00:01:24 SPEAKER_001: The basic teaching progression for the seeker, we observe that a physical death is a shared experience rather than a redemption mechanism, and belief in an external entity does not secure graduation.

00:01:46 SPEAKER_001: So, simply believing in Jesus is not sufficient for graduation.

00:01:52 SPEAKER_001: We recognize that the illusion of being solid, separate, or flawed limits us.

00:01:57 SPEAKER_001: Whereas the reality is being energy fields within consciousness.

00:02:02 SPEAKER_001: So we are more than our bodies.

00:02:03 SPEAKER_001: We are, you know, the mind, energy of the infinite creator, a field within the consciousness of the creator.

00:02:14 SPEAKER_001: We gently groom the will each day to desire the love and light of the infinite creator, rather than judging the self for perceived failures.

00:02:24 SPEAKER_001: So we're seeing ourselves as a vessel.

00:02:27 SPEAKER_001: And each day, so Jesus calls on us to pick up our cross and carry it daily.

00:02:33 SPEAKER_001: And so, how we understand that is that each day we desire the love and light of the infinite Creator to flow through us, and you know, to empower, to give us peace,

00:02:49 SPEAKER_001: instead of judging the self, because that would be like judging, you know, God's creation.

00:02:55 SPEAKER_001: We discover that salvation arrives by entering the open heart exactly as we are, trusting our inherent worth.

00:03:03 SPEAKER_001: Before perfection is achieved, we cultivate service to others as the fruit of seeking, yielding graduation from the current density to the love density.

00:03:18 SPEAKER_001: So, all right.

00:03:21 SPEAKER_001: Do you guys have any commentary on that so far, or well, that's you know it.

00:03:33 SPEAKER_001: We don't get any quotes from the Confederation because your AI is all right.

00:03:37 SPEAKER_001: All right, we'll do some quotes.

00:03:39 SPEAKER_001: Making a we'll do we'll we'll do some quotes.

00:03:44 SPEAKER_001: Compilation of all the information.

00:03:46 SPEAKER_001: We'll do some quotes.

00:03:46 SPEAKER_001: We'll do some quotes.

00:03:50 SPEAKER_001: I I just wanted to give people an intro so they had an idea.

00:03:58 SPEAKER_001: Okay, nineteen seventy-five.

00:03:57 SPEAKER_001: Here, do you want to read it, Bill?

00:04:05 SPEAKER_001: Sure, my friends.

00:04:06 SPEAKER_001: You may have been taught that his death was necessitated in order to relieve us of our bondage and sins.

00:04:11 SPEAKER_001: I'm assuming that's Jesus.

00:04:15 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:04:15 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:04:16 SPEAKER_001: In a concept such as this, there is also truth, for is not the real realization of the power of love redemption, my friends.

00:04:25 SPEAKER_001: The answer is love.

00:04:27 SPEAKER_001: The realization of love is indeed your redemption.

00:04:30 SPEAKER_001: So, in all actuality, the physical death was not your redemption, for all beings have experienced this.

00:04:38 SPEAKER_001: But the awakening, the awakening to the abilities and the power within the concept of love, indeed, was your salvation.

00:04:50 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:04:50 SPEAKER_001: Yes, I would agree.

00:04:54 SPEAKER_001: So it is.

00:04:55 SPEAKER_001: Jesus set the example of you know loving and being kind, even on you know the hardest possible day, after being tortured and put up on the cross,

00:05:06 SPEAKER_001: and having his things stolen and all those things, and he still said, you know, forgive them for they know not what they do.

00:05:16 SPEAKER_001: Nanette, did you want to add something?

00:05:18 SPEAKER_001: Well. this it sounds like a teaching for the heart chakra, and that was his message was love.

00:05:29 SPEAKER_001: So this is all about salvation is related.

00:05:29 SPEAKER_001: Only it directly through the heart chakra.

00:05:35 SPEAKER_001: I'm glad you found this, particularly because this time, you know, with this being Good Friday and Easter and all that stuff coming up.

00:05:49 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

00:05:50 SPEAKER_001: All right, let's try the next one, Bill.

00:05:54 SPEAKER_001: Okay, let us look at an image far removed from Christmas, and yet with that same message.

00:06:01 SPEAKER_001: A bird called the phoenix bursts into flames and is consumed in a great fire, and all that are left are ashes.

00:06:09 SPEAKER_001: Out of the ashes rises a new and more beautiful phoenix.

00:06:13 SPEAKER_001: As you put a yule log on your You log on your upon your fire, and you set the star on your tree.

00:06:21 SPEAKER_001: Let the message of winter, of ashes, of ashes, and of rebirth fill your heart.

00:06:30 SPEAKER_001: That created all things is a perfect.

00:06:35 SPEAKER_001: Oh, hold on, hold on.

00:06:38 SPEAKER_001: Fill your heart.

00:06:39 SPEAKER_001: You missed a line.

00:06:40 SPEAKER_001: Oh, fill your heart with the joy of knowing that all joys will be made well because the love that created all things is a perfect love.

00:06:50 SPEAKER_001: I skipped a whole line.

00:06:52 SPEAKER_001: We wish that your people.

00:06:56 SPEAKER_001: We wish that your peoples could understand the meaning of Christmas, not only once a year but throughout the year.

00:07:04 SPEAKER_001: For it is a message which we have come to share—the message of love, of unity, of salvation through higher consciousness.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_001: You are part of an evolutionary pattern.

00:07:15 SPEAKER_001: Those about you may not wish to be a part of the evolution that is taking place at this time.

00:07:26 SPEAKER_001: So be it.

00:07:27 SPEAKER_001: They will have many other chances for advancement, as many as they need, my friends.

00:07:34 SPEAKER_001: For all dwell in an infinite realm, for hope truly springs eternal.

00:07:42 SPEAKER_001: Meanwhile, you have control consciously of your development.

00:07:48 SPEAKER_001: Think deeply upon the lessons of creation and rest in the knowledge that even the hardest earth, frozen coldest stone, will soon be crowned, crowded. will soon be crowded with the blossoms of spring,

00:08:01 SPEAKER_001: and so will you go on from glory to glory in the creation of the Father.

00:08:07 SPEAKER_001: Imagine each of you in your domicile at this time, your hearts beating as one, your breathing, your thinking, and your feeling unified with one great thought of love.

00:08:28 SPEAKER_001: There will come a time when this will be the case among your peoples.

00:08:36 SPEAKER_001: We believe that you may be there to witness it.

00:08:50 SPEAKER_001: If not in this dimension, then among the interplanes that guard this earth plane and its fragile path towards knowledge.

00:09:00 SPEAKER_001: Which, which, which, which, which, social memory complex said that is that more Latwii?

00:09:07 SPEAKER_001: You think?

00:09:08 SPEAKER_001: Nineteen seventy nine.

00:09:09 SPEAKER_001: Yes, probably. but we can double check.

00:09:17 SPEAKER_001: Research.

00:09:17 SPEAKER_001: Uh, salvation.

00:09:19 SPEAKER_001: Oh, it might have.

00:09:21 SPEAKER_001: It might be salvation.

00:09:22 SPEAKER_001: Oh, there's Latios in there.

00:09:25 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, no, it was Heton.

00:09:29 SPEAKER_001: It was Heton.

00:09:30 SPEAKER_001: Okay, and then Latios is in there too.

00:09:36 SPEAKER_001: Laitos.

00:09:36 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:09:36 SPEAKER_001: Yeah. lato, latios.

00:09:39 SPEAKER_001: Different people have different ways of pronouncing it.

00:09:44 SPEAKER_001: I I throw the I in there.

00:09:47 SPEAKER_001: I thought lito's is.

00:09:48 SPEAKER_001: It's probably right.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I don't know.

00:09:51 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:09:53 SPEAKER_001: So Hatan is fourth density, correct?

00:09:56 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: Okay, thanks.

00:09:58 SPEAKER_001: I think latios is latios is.

00:10:02 SPEAKER_001: Laitos is fifth?

00:10:03 SPEAKER_001: Latui, Latui is fifth.

00:10:06 SPEAKER_001: Latui is fifth.

00:10:07 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, we're talking Laitos.

00:10:08 SPEAKER_001: Latios.

00:10:09 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

00:10:10 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's right.

00:10:14 SPEAKER_001: Sorry.

00:10:15 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:10:16 SPEAKER_001: That's a different one.

00:10:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:10:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:10:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:10:25 SPEAKER_001: I haven't read that channeling yet.

00:10:26 SPEAKER_001: So okay.

00:10:28 SPEAKER_001: I thought they were fourth as well.

00:10:33 SPEAKER_001: Fourth or fifth.

00:10:34 SPEAKER_001: I was thinking about Q'uo because Q'uo is the principal and.

00:10:43 SPEAKER_001: Q'uo is Taton Latwe and Raw.

00:10:47 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:10:47 SPEAKER_001: That's why I really wasn't listening to Bill.

00:10:53 SPEAKER_001: I was like confabulating.

00:10:57 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and Latwe does most of the speaking out of that.

00:11:03 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:11:03 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:11:04 SPEAKER_001: That's what they say.

00:11:07 SPEAKER_001: I yes, I remember that.

00:11:12 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yeah.

00:11:13 SPEAKER_001: I'm glad you mentioned though, because I hadn't remembered it until.

00:11:19 SPEAKER_001: Remembered it and she said it.

00:11:27 SPEAKER_001: Okay, don't let me know.

00:11:29 SPEAKER_001: Last night, last night we were with you know guy actually, and we were reading from social memory complex called Monka, M-O-N-K-A, a fifth density,

00:11:42 SPEAKER_001: a fifth density social memory complex that actually was first contacting people, from what we know, in the nineteen fifties.

00:11:50 SPEAKER_001: Wow.

00:11:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, before you know, before you know, Elkins Don was around, and and even I think even before that, Detroit group was channeling Haton.

00:12:05 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

00:12:06 SPEAKER_001: Interesting.

00:12:08 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:12:09 SPEAKER_001: So here, here is Raw sixth density.

00:12:10 SPEAKER_001: Where are we at?

00:12:11 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:12:13 SPEAKER_001: I am Raw.

00:12:16 SPEAKER_001: The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion.

00:12:23 SPEAKER_001: This compassion is folly when, when seen through the eyes of wisdom.

00:12:30 SPEAKER_001: It is the salvation of third density, but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.

00:12:38 SPEAKER_001: Oh, there's balance again.

00:12:37 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:12:39 SPEAKER_001: Well, we could try and get the more full quote here because it's a little bit out of context.

00:12:47 SPEAKER_001: I think.

00:12:47 SPEAKER_001: No, I think it's yeah.

00:12:49 SPEAKER_001: I mean, we might be listening more, but it's kind of self-explanatory.

00:12:53 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

00:12:54 SPEAKER_001: There we go.

00:12:55 SPEAKER_001: Salvation.

00:12:55 SPEAKER_001: Where is it?

00:12:56 SPEAKER_001: Where's it?

00:12:57 SPEAKER_001: There we go.

00:12:57 SPEAKER_001: There it is.

00:12:58 SPEAKER_001: Is right.

00:13:00 SPEAKER_001: Hey, I'm just making it bigger.

00:13:00 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:13:02 SPEAKER_001: There it is.

00:13:03 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:13:04 SPEAKER_001: Thus, well, let's let's look at the question first.

00:13:07 SPEAKER_001: Okay, sure.

00:13:08 SPEAKER_001: Let's see what.

00:13:09 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:13:09 SPEAKER_001: In the last session, you made the statement that we, that is, Ross, spent much time, space in the fifth density balanced the intense compassion gained in fourth density.

00:13:21 SPEAKER_001: Could you expand on this concept?

00:13:24 SPEAKER_001: with respect to what we were just discussing.

00:13:27 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:13:28 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:13:29 SPEAKER_001: So they were talking about the balance of wisdom and love, right?

00:13:35 SPEAKER_001: Really.

00:13:35 SPEAKER_001: So yeah, you were kind of right.

00:13:39 SPEAKER_001: It is out of context, but yes, but yeah, it is the love is the salvation of their density.

00:13:47 SPEAKER_001: It is the root to graduation.

00:13:51 SPEAKER_001: So following Jesus is the way.

00:13:53 SPEAKER_001: But let's read the next sentence.

00:13:55 SPEAKER_001: Just thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density had the tendency towards compassion, even to martyrdom and aid of other selves.

00:14:12 SPEAKER_001: When the fifth density harvest was achieved, we found this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion.

00:14:24 SPEAKER_001: We spent much time, space, and contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

00:14:33 SPEAKER_001: So, so in a way, right there, there.

00:14:36 SPEAKER_001: So in a way, right there, they're kind of kind of saying, you know, how we think of like Jesus sacrificing himself for us is kind of well, it is it is folly because it's unnecessary.

00:14:58 SPEAKER_001: Well, I I think that what they're saying here is that from a fifth density perspective, they saw that there were wiser ways of going about things,

00:15:11 SPEAKER_001: that would have allowed them to be of service longer, had they used more wisdom and discernment in their incarnation and extended the duration of their incarnation.

00:15:27 SPEAKER_001: Well, it says right there when because they said the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom,

00:15:38 SPEAKER_001: and then then they said we found this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such un-unrelieved or unrelived compassion.

00:15:49 SPEAKER_001: So, so no, they're they're very much talking about the flaws of martyrdom.

00:15:53 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

00:15:55 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's not.

00:15:57 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's not like it's not nothing bad, but it's just it's it's just not in in balance.

00:16:09 SPEAKER_001: In imbalance, really.

00:16:10 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

00:16:10 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's what I would say.

00:16:14 SPEAKER_001: Hello, Gregory.

00:16:14 SPEAKER_001: How are you doing?

00:16:16 SPEAKER_001: Yep.

00:16:17 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, Gregory was with us last night when we ran Monka down.

00:16:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:16:22 SPEAKER_001: I think he's finding the unmute button.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_001: There we go.

00:16:25 SPEAKER_001: Can you hear me?

00:16:27 SPEAKER_001: Yep.

00:16:27 SPEAKER_001: Yep.

00:16:27 SPEAKER_001: Ah, I am doing okay.

00:16:31 SPEAKER_001: A little under the weather.

00:16:35 SPEAKER_001: Sorry that I'm late.

00:16:37 SPEAKER_001: It's okay.

00:16:37 SPEAKER_001: Glad that you've joined us.

00:16:39 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, we also got Manette with us here today, and our we're doing a special, and this is basically Confederation quotes on salvation.

00:16:47 SPEAKER_001: Ah, in honour of Good Friday.

00:16:51 SPEAKER_001: And so yeah, we were just looking at.

00:16:54 SPEAKER_001: Oh yeah, we were just looking at this raw quote, and they were saying how when they were in fourth density, they martyred themselves a lot, and so when they were in fifth density,

00:17:08 SPEAKER_001: they were thinking about how well maybe that wasn't the best idea to keep on dying all the time.

00:17:19 SPEAKER_001: We would have probably been better off making some wiser decisions.

00:17:23 SPEAKER_001: Well, they they don't really say they did martyrdom, but they said that it was the tendency towards compassion, even martyrdom, in the aid of other selves.

00:17:30 SPEAKER_001: Other selves, yes.

00:17:33 SPEAKER_001: You know, I I mean, I I don't know how you would martyr yourself in fourth density, but I guess it's possible.

00:17:42 SPEAKER_001: Well, I mean, like say, for instance,

00:17:45 SPEAKER_001: if you spend one simple example that I read was someone who they were in the Badlands and they were getting food for their family and there wasn't much food to be had and they didn't

00:17:59 SPEAKER_001: end up feeding themselves enough to keep their host body alive and so they died.

00:18:03 SPEAKER_001: Was this in fourth density?

00:18:04 SPEAKER_001: This was in third density, but it's an example of compassion to martyr them.

00:18:09 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, right.

00:18:10 SPEAKER_001: To martyr the innate of other selves, right, right, because ultimately in that case, the guy staying alive would probably be much more helpful than him starving to death.

00:18:27 SPEAKER_001: Exactly, because then there's no one to provide when he's dead.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_001: And so that's that's that example.

00:18:33 SPEAKER_001: But I know in other places the Confederation has explained that with Jesus, he didn't know the lessons of wisdom, and so he just had all the lessons of love.

00:18:49 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, well, they said he was a late fourth density and could have gone to fifth density.

00:18:57 SPEAKER_001: So he was still in that unbridled compassion mode.

00:19:01 SPEAKER_001: Exactly, and that is, as this quote says, the salvation of third density.

00:19:05 SPEAKER_001: So that unbridled compassion is enough.

00:19:08 SPEAKER_001: You know, being Jesus, being like Jesus, is enough to graduate.

00:19:12 SPEAKER_001: You don't have to be wise.

00:19:14 SPEAKER_001: You just have to be loving. but remember the the Confederation also put the that caveat in there with Jesus that when he was martyred,

00:19:24 SPEAKER_001: that made up for his karma when he killed that kid when he was like twelve.

00:19:31 SPEAKER_001: Actually, I read that a few times.

00:19:32 SPEAKER_001: I remember that, and actually, I remember that quote quite distinctly.

00:19:36 SPEAKER_001: And it wasn't the martyring that made up for it.

00:19:38 SPEAKER_001: It was when he said, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."

00:19:43 SPEAKER_001: That's what absolved him of the karma, because at that point, he at that exact point, he also forgave himself.

00:19:53 SPEAKER_001: He also forgave himself for what he had done.

00:19:59 SPEAKER_001: You're reading probably more.

00:20:01 SPEAKER_001: You're probably reading more into what it said.

00:20:05 SPEAKER_001: We could, we can maybe find that.

00:20:08 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah, we could search for it, but it would be you know we'd be going off on quite a rabbit trail right there.

00:20:17 SPEAKER_001: But that's that's how I remember it, anyways.

00:20:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay, that's how you view it.

00:20:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that's a good way to view it.

00:20:28 SPEAKER_001: There, there is a similar story about Gautama, the Buddha, and one of his incarnations, where he inadvertently killed, I believe it was a playmate.

00:20:46 SPEAKER_001: It's the same story, and so it's the symbolism of the story, you know, rather than the myth.

00:20:59 SPEAKER_001: But it's interesting how these stories in different traditions—it's the same story—shows up because it's part of the one of the benchmarks on soul evolution is to learn this lesson.

00:21:16 SPEAKER_001: So when you start talking about it, I just remembered.

00:21:20 SPEAKER_001: Oh, you know, there's that story about Buddha when he before he was Buddha, you know, and yeah.

00:21:32 SPEAKER_001: Interesting.

00:21:30 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:21:34 SPEAKER_001: Uh huh.

00:21:35 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_001: Well.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_001: Oh, hello, Fred.

00:21:39 SPEAKER_001: As well, who's joined us?

00:21:41 SPEAKER_001: You guys.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_001: Hey.

00:21:42 SPEAKER_001: We're just doing a special on salvation today.

00:21:44 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:21:45 SPEAKER_001: So I. There's no such thing.

00:21:48 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:21:49 SPEAKER_001: Well.

00:21:50 SPEAKER_001: We're we're we're we're visiting the quotes on salvation in the Confederation contact.

00:21:55 SPEAKER_001: Gotcha.

00:21:55 SPEAKER_001: That's that's better.

00:21:56 SPEAKER_001: Well, there's there's different perceptions of the idea.

00:21:59 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and how the Confederation phrases salvation is basically graduation from third density.

00:22:07 SPEAKER_001: Maybe that's how you would be.

00:22:15 SPEAKER_001: It would be more acceptable to you, Fred.

00:22:23 SPEAKER_001: So here we go. 1983, ten sixteen.

00:22:25 SPEAKER_001: Bill, you want to read?

00:22:26 SPEAKER_001: Okay, yeah.

00:22:26 SPEAKER_001: The one known has, Joshua or Jesus was able in his life pattern to remove the distortions to such an extent that he was able to experience that type of consciousness which may be called Christed,

00:22:42 SPEAKER_001: Christed, Christen, pure.

00:22:43 SPEAKER_001: This enables Here, this enabled him to speak with authority when he said, "I and my Father am one.

00:22:51 SPEAKER_001: No one comes unto the Father unless he comes by me."

00:22:55 SPEAKER_001: These are the words which are often misunderstood.

00:22:58 SPEAKER_001: For many upon your planet feel their meaning is simply that one must just believe in the one known as Jesus the Christ, and that and that known has salvation will be his.

00:23:14 SPEAKER_001: That's that's a big jump, but yeah, keep going because I think this is this is the exact same.

00:23:24 SPEAKER_001: Oh, that that's the right there is the bottom line of Christianity, right there.

00:23:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, well, that's Protestantism.

00:23:33 SPEAKER_001: That's it's Protestantism that believe that, but but yeah, continue reading.

00:23:39 SPEAKER_001: See, this is the next paragraph.

00:23:41 SPEAKER_001: See, okay, this is all right.

00:23:44 SPEAKER_001: Going to this is 1983.

00:23:55 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay, this is what might be like in.

00:24:00 SPEAKER_001: Might be likened unto the child's perception of truth.

00:24:05 SPEAKER_001: It cannot be said to be untrue, but it cannot be said to be the complete truth.

00:24:15 SPEAKER_001: For within those words lie much which is still covered to the simpler perception.

00:24:20 SPEAKER_001: The simple believing in an entity, no matter what the entity's purity, is not sufficient to gain for the one so believing that known has salvation. itself being much misunderstood,

00:24:33 SPEAKER_001: our humble definition of such a term might be that grade necessary for what you call the harvest, a polarity of service which is sufficient to enable that entity to be graduated.

00:24:48 SPEAKER_001: For this entity now understands in a conscious manner, or perhaps yet still in an unconscious manner, the need to serve and to evolve in mind, body, and spirit, and it is this evolution,

00:25:01 SPEAKER_001: this process of seeking, and the fruit yielded therefrom that is the service to others, which enables an entity to gain that broadly described as salvation.

00:25:12 SPEAKER_001: Okay, and this continues too.

00:25:14 SPEAKER_001: If one shall come unto the Father, the one infinite Creator, by the path followed by the one known as Jesus of Nazareth, then such an entity shall, in the life pattern,

00:25:33 SPEAKER_001: demonstrate the desire to seek the truth and the service to others.

00:25:40 SPEAKER_001: That is of such a nature that the so-called salvation is imminent.

00:25:43 SPEAKER_001: The graduation draws near, and the harvest shall be completed.

00:25:45 SPEAKER_001: It is not by mere belief in another entity through faith, indeed, in the seeking of the truth, that is necessary.

00:25:54 SPEAKER_001: That an entity shall come unto the Father, the One Creator, the Father resides within each entity.

00:26:06 SPEAKER_001: Each must go within the self, in the light pattern, and find the deepest truth available therein.

00:26:14 SPEAKER_001: And when that truth is found, manifest that truth in the experience of each day.

00:26:21 SPEAKER_001: Then the salvation shall be available by the efforts of the seeker following the same path, the one known as Jesus of Nazareth followed.

00:26:31 SPEAKER_001: Very good.

00:26:32 SPEAKER_001: Okay, thank you, Bill.

00:26:33 SPEAKER_001: All right, what do you guys think of that?

00:26:38 SPEAKER_001: I would like...

00:26:39 SPEAKER_001: I like some clarity on that.

00:26:42 SPEAKER_001: I have to admit that always, you know, I have an issue with dogmatic Christianity.

00:26:48 SPEAKER_001: And it's like unless you take Jesus as your...

00:26:52 SPEAKER_001: I mean, all you have to do is name him, and boom, you're saved.

00:26:57 SPEAKER_001: And he's my savior, and that seems incomplete or not the complete truth.

00:27:00 SPEAKER_001: So I would love some more clarity on here, on what Q'uo is saying specifically.

00:27:04 SPEAKER_001: Here we go.

00:27:05 SPEAKER_001: So I'll get a ChatGPT summary.

00:27:08 SPEAKER_001: Well, just based...

00:27:12 SPEAKER_001: Go ahead.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_001: Basically, go ahead.

00:27:13 SPEAKER_001: Well, just basically, the clarity is that you don't just say you believe in Jesus.

00:27:18 SPEAKER_001: You actually start living the life of what Jesus lives.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_001: You know, compassion, love, service to others.

00:27:29 SPEAKER_001: You know, and you don't just say I believe in Jesus.

00:27:35 SPEAKER_001: You actually walk the path, and then from Confederation understanding and literature, you know, we got to hit that fifty-one percent of, you know, thinking of others, or you know,

00:27:48 SPEAKER_001: or moving that needle to unity consciousness, where we're thinking of others more than ourselves.

00:27:56 SPEAKER_001: Just that slightest bit, and it's the way we live our lives instead of just, you know, because a lot of you know that's the big problem with Christianity.

00:28:10 SPEAKER_001: A lot of people just go to church, and give lip service, and they're, you know, an asshole, you know, Monday through Sunday till, you know, church comes around, and then church is like, oh,

00:28:26 SPEAKER_001: I'm all into this, and then they go around, and you know, hey, you know, as soon as they leave church, they're an asshole again, and that doesn't cut it.

00:28:35 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, can I interject something?

00:28:42 SPEAKER_001: Um, it occurred to me recently that like the quote Jesus that one is represented in the church.

00:28:49 SPEAKER_001: Like I was raised in the Presbyterian church, but we were Christians.

00:28:52 SPEAKER_001: We went on Easter and Christmas, you know, kind of thing.

00:28:57 SPEAKER_001: So I was confirmed in a Protestant tradition.

00:29:00 SPEAKER_001: Um.

00:29:00 SPEAKER_001: The churches, they when I think back about how they think of Jesus, whom I call Yeshua, it's like a hippie kind of dude, and all love and light, and facing something with great earnestness,

00:29:15 SPEAKER_001: and it's almost like a cartoon.

00:29:17 SPEAKER_001: I mean, this—he was the master.

00:29:20 SPEAKER_001: That's why he was called the master.

00:29:23 SPEAKER_001: He had the highest teachings for decades.

00:29:25 SPEAKER_001: He was like fully conscious, and they treat him like a toy, and like with the turning up the tables, you know, that's just hippy having a tantrum kind of thing,

00:29:39 SPEAKER_001: and I know they would not like to hear me say that.

00:29:45 SPEAKER_001: But when I think of the memory, it's like that.

00:29:48 SPEAKER_001: That's how serious they take him, like not as the master, but as something that serves them and their idea of their religion.

00:29:59 SPEAKER_001: And they find solace on that.

00:30:02 SPEAKER_001: I'm not saying you know right or wrong.

00:30:06 SPEAKER_001: It just seems like it's not giving him full consideration.

00:30:23 SPEAKER_001: Because if they did, we wouldn't have all this stuff going down, that's going down right now.

00:30:54 SPEAKER_001: Well, that's why Ross said it's a childlike viewpoint, and a lot of times, you know, with the church, you know, they even take out Jesus.

00:31:09 SPEAKER_001: They say, you know, salvation doesn't come through Jesus; it comes through the church, and then maybe through Jesus.

00:31:17 SPEAKER_001: Ooh, that's ooh!

00:31:18 SPEAKER_001: I didn't know was back there.

00:31:20 SPEAKER_001: You know what?

00:31:21 SPEAKER_001: I've actually been to a church where they told me that what Jesus said, that Jesus was just a perfect sacrifice, and that what he had to say was just the bleating of the lamb,

00:31:36 SPEAKER_001: and so it wasn't important that he had a sermon on the mount or told us anything.

00:31:47 SPEAKER_001: That was just the bleating of the lamb.

00:31:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, the victim.

00:31:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, he was just the victim.

00:31:54 SPEAKER_001: He was the powerless.

00:31:55 SPEAKER_001: Powerless sacrifice.

00:31:56 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, exactly.

00:31:57 SPEAKER_001: He was just.

00:31:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, exactly.

00:31:59 SPEAKER_001: It was just the sacrifice so that they get salvation without having to do any work.

00:32:03 SPEAKER_001: And it's funny, still being human sacrifice.

00:32:05 SPEAKER_001: And those, sorry.

00:32:18 SPEAKER_001: And those type of churches usually follow the teachings of Paul more than Jesus.

00:32:35 SPEAKER_001: The Romans were kind of radicalizing.

00:32:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's even it's not even the full teachings of Paul because Paul says, like every other paragraph, you know, don't listen to me, listen to Christ.

00:32:59 SPEAKER_001: You know, they don't.

00:33:08 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:33:08 SPEAKER_001: They don't look at that part.

00:33:14 SPEAKER_001: No, they just, they just,

00:33:15 SPEAKER_001: it's just they take one little section of what Paul said in Romans and actually they take several sections and then put them together in such a way so as to absolve themselves of responsibility.

00:33:30 SPEAKER_001: And actually, who came up with this was Luther, and Luther's the one that started Protestantism.

00:33:36 SPEAKER_001: Oh, I hear he was an impossible person to be around.

00:33:39 SPEAKER_001: He was like really a random and kind of unpredictable.

00:33:42 SPEAKER_001: And he was like nobody wanted to be around physically because he smelled so bad.

00:33:47 SPEAKER_001: He was considered, yeah, it's a history I read.

00:33:50 SPEAKER_001: So he was kind.

00:33:51 SPEAKER_001: It's like Van Gogh.

00:33:52 SPEAKER_001: He was one of those guys everybody knew about, and he was changing things, but no one could be around him.

00:34:01 SPEAKER_001: Wow, well, I read that well that he wrote that his view was that someone could sin ten thousand times a day and confess Jesus, you know, and they would be saved by sundown.

00:34:15 SPEAKER_001: Oh, right.

00:34:16 SPEAKER_001: Well, that's that's the idea of the sacrament.

00:34:19 SPEAKER_001: We go to sacrament, and then we're you know, we go to sacrament every week, and we drink the wine or the water and eat the bread, and then hey, we're absolved of all our sins.

00:34:33 SPEAKER_001: We yeah yeah yeah.

00:34:35 SPEAKER_001: That's the holy communion.

00:34:38 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:34:38 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:34:39 SPEAKER_001: Because because yeah, Jesus said you know this is for the remission of sins.

00:34:46 SPEAKER_001: You know the communion.

00:34:47 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and and and that ultimately is not walking and following the path of Jesus.

00:34:52 SPEAKER_001: If you got to go and fuck up all the week through the week, and then oh, I just get a take sacrament and I'm good to go, you know, you know.

00:35:06 SPEAKER_001: But that sacrament goes back to the beginning of whenever we have as history reported history drinking blood.

00:35:19 SPEAKER_001: I mean, that's a primal yeah kind of action.

00:35:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I don't even want to think about it.

00:35:36 SPEAKER_001: But it's like something really primal in us.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_001: And this has been gentrified.

00:35:40 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and actually, First John says that if you, what do you call it, know Christ, and continue well, like if you continue to sin after being saved, then you don't know Christ.

00:35:51 SPEAKER_001: So basically, and it says in Hebrews also that there is if you continue to sin after becoming a Christian, that there is no sacrifice for this, that there you you can't be absolved.

00:36:06 SPEAKER_001: Like so, that there's there's kind of like while we do have these churches that pretend that it's possible, even the Bible, if you actually read it, says you can't just go keep on sinning.

00:36:20 SPEAKER_001: You cannot.

00:36:22 SPEAKER_001: Even Paul says you can't keep keep on sinning.

00:36:25 SPEAKER_001: You actually have to live a virtuous life.

00:36:29 SPEAKER_001: There are consequences.

00:36:30 SPEAKER_001: Are you gonna live how you want?

00:36:32 SPEAKER_001: Is you can live how you want, but there are consequences to how you live.

00:36:40 SPEAKER_001: So if you're willing to, yeah, right.

00:36:42 SPEAKER_001: So that takes the blame off and puts more the responsibility on.

00:36:47 SPEAKER_001: You know, we just have to not have daddy saying "now shout not," but having internal regulators that understand consequences.

00:36:54 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because you know we can have pretty bad ones.

00:36:59 SPEAKER_001: And and what you brought up is real interesting as far as sacrifice.

00:37:04 SPEAKER_001: As a sacrifice, because in this area with these Bedouins and that whole area, there was all kinds of animal sacrifice, human sacrifice.

00:37:15 SPEAKER_001: So in a way, they tried to take those types of sacrifices and ease them over to, hey, you know, drink, drink the wine, eat the bread.

00:37:29 SPEAKER_001: You know, don't, don't, you know, sacrifice a child or don't sacrifice an animal.

00:37:35 SPEAKER_001: You know, yeah, yeah, that that's the thing.

00:37:38 SPEAKER_001: I'm sorry.

00:37:38 SPEAKER_001: Oh, I'm sorry.

00:37:39 SPEAKER_001: That's that's all right.

00:37:41 SPEAKER_001: That's something that is often like a lot of people were like, "Oh, Jesus flipped the tables of the money changers," but that's that's not what he actually did.

00:37:52 SPEAKER_001: If you read it in context, what he they weren't just the money changers; they were the sellers that were selling animals for blood sacrifice.

00:38:05 SPEAKER_001: That's what they were actually doing there, and he freed the animals.

00:38:09 SPEAKER_001: He opened the cages.

00:38:10 SPEAKER_001: He released the doves, and the whole point of this exercise was to demonstrate to people that you know he would be the final sacrifice.

00:38:19 SPEAKER_001: That no more blood sacrifices would be needed.

00:38:22 SPEAKER_001: And then at the time, it was believed that kind of the reason people would want to do these sacrifices is to absolve them of sins, so that they could be healed,

00:38:36 SPEAKER_001: and so after he had you know freed all of these animals, there were all these sick people there, and these sick people were like, "How are we going to be healed?"

00:38:51 SPEAKER_001: And so Jesus healed them, you know, and so he was you know demonstrating that you didn't need to kill an animal in order to be healed; you just needed you know love and kindness.

00:39:04 SPEAKER_001: And why, and why the, and why the Christians really love that story is because it gives them an excuse.

00:39:15 SPEAKER_001: They're like, "Oh, look what Jesus did in His righteous anger and His righteous wrath."

00:39:20 SPEAKER_001: So we we get to have our righteous anger and our righteous wrath too, because Jesus did that.

00:39:31 SPEAKER_001: Right, but that that that's just them taking it out of context.

00:39:36 SPEAKER_001: Because what he was actually doing was freeing imprisoned animals with a death sentence.

00:39:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, but exactly.

00:39:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I understand, and I'm just saying this is where a lot of that kind of energy is gone from that little you know story.

00:39:54 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and what's nice is that in Canada we're actually passing a bill, Bill C9, which makes it illegal to use scripture to justify hate or anger.

00:40:01 SPEAKER_001: So they won't be allowed to do that in Canada.

00:40:07 SPEAKER_001: Use scripture for what reason?

00:40:10 SPEAKER_001: I hope they to to justify hate or anger.

00:40:18 SPEAKER_001: Oh, that's marvelous!

00:40:19 SPEAKER_001: You all are so evolved.

00:40:21 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:40:21 SPEAKER_001: Well, I hope they include the Quran.

00:40:23 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:40:25 SPEAKER_001: No, it's all.

00:40:26 SPEAKER_001: There's basically no. It used to be for like a couple decades that people were allowed to use scripture, religious scripture, to justify hate.

00:40:37 SPEAKER_001: To justify hatred, but just you know, in over the course of the last few weeks, they made this new bill.

00:40:44 SPEAKER_001: It's already passed the house and is going through the senate.

00:40:48 SPEAKER_001: And the whole purpose of this bill is just to remove that hate exemption.

00:40:55 SPEAKER_001: So no longer will people be able to hide behind religious scripture.

00:41:01 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I have an opinion about that, but that's probably because I'm not Canadian.

00:41:10 SPEAKER_001: I think that's very S.T.S. oriented.

00:41:13 SPEAKER_001: I think that's very controlling and manipulative.

00:41:17 SPEAKER_001: And I'm a firm believer in free speech, even poor free speech and hateful and angry free speech.

00:41:24 SPEAKER_001: It's free speech for the person speaking it, even if you disagree with it.

00:41:30 SPEAKER_001: And if you do disagree with it, it's free information for you to know and realize without any effort of your own that you are not in alignment with said other individual.

00:41:47 SPEAKER_001: I gotta hear you on that, Fred.

00:41:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I hear you.

00:41:51 SPEAKER_001: And that doesn't mean that there's no consequence for your speech.

00:41:55 SPEAKER_001: You know, you are free to run into a crowded area and yell profanities or claim there's a fire or something, but there's going to be repercussions for that.

00:42:11 SPEAKER_001: But you know, I don't know.

00:42:14 SPEAKER_001: Well.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_001: No, well, I don't know.

00:42:17 SPEAKER_001: In America, are you allowed to yell fire in a crowd or no?

00:42:25 SPEAKER_001: That's that's actually that's actually not considered free speech.

00:42:28 SPEAKER_001: That's considered aggravated, menacing, and inciting of a riot.

00:42:32 SPEAKER_001: Well, there you go.

00:42:32 SPEAKER_001: So you know you could consider it the same thing, but the Canadian version.

00:42:42 SPEAKER_001: Gotcha.

00:42:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:42:44 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:42:45 SPEAKER_001: Canadian is not so cynical.

00:42:46 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you're you're not allowed to.

00:42:47 SPEAKER_001: Anyway, push back on Canada, on the Canadian virtue when you got a country that's killing five percent of their population with euthanasia.

00:42:56 SPEAKER_001: All right, let's let's try to get back to the text here.

00:43:02 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

00:43:03 SPEAKER_001: Belief alone is incomplete.

00:43:04 SPEAKER_001: The simple believing in an entity is not sufficient to gain salvation.

00:43:13 SPEAKER_001: Belief may begin the journey, yet it does not complete it.

00:43:22 SPEAKER_001: There is developmental framing here.

00:43:23 SPEAKER_001: Belief corresponds to an early stage of understanding, useful yet partial.

00:43:28 SPEAKER_001: That's like how they were saying it was childish.

00:43:33 SPEAKER_001: Salvation is a polarity of service to evolve in mind, body, and spirit.

00:43:40 SPEAKER_001: The fruit yielded therefrom: service to others.

00:43:43 SPEAKER_001: This introduces a structured model: seeking truth, inner evolution, expression through service.

00:43:50 SPEAKER_001: Service to others become the measurable output of genuine spiritual progress.

00:43:53 SPEAKER_001: It's as Jesus says: the fruit.

00:43:55 SPEAKER_001: It is both the evidence and the mechanism of growth.

00:44:01 SPEAKER_001: This alignment with a systems view, inner state becomes behavioural output becomes cumulative transformation.

00:44:09 SPEAKER_001: The path of Jesus is a pattern, not an exception.

00:44:13 SPEAKER_001: If one shall come unto the Father by the path followed by Jesus, then such an entity shall demonstrate the desire to seek the truth and service to others.

00:44:37 SPEAKER_001: The phrase "No one comes unto the Father."

00:44:42 SPEAKER_001: No one comes onto the Father, but by me is framed here as by the same path, not through exclusive allegiance.

00:44:50 SPEAKER_001: The path is definable: seeking truth, living that truth, serving others consistently.

00:44:57 SPEAKER_001: This interpretation resolves a common contradiction between exclusivity and universal access.

00:45:04 SPEAKER_001: The Creator is found within, not outside.

00:45:08 SPEAKER_001: The One Creator resides within each and.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_001: Resides within each entity.

00:45:13 SPEAKER_001: Each must go within the self and find the deepest truth and manifest that truth.

00:45:21 SPEAKER_001: This is the operational core.

00:45:23 SPEAKER_001: Salvation involves internal discovery, recognition of inherent connection, and externalization through daily action, practical orientation for daily life, daily seeking.

00:45:29 SPEAKER_001: Ask what is true here beyond habit and assumption.

00:45:35 SPEAKER_001: Self-honesty without judgment.

00:45:37 SPEAKER_001: Observe distortions without collapsing into self-criticism.

00:45:40 SPEAKER_001: Embody truth, act in alignment with what is discovered internally.

00:45:45 SPEAKER_001: Service is output.

00:45:46 SPEAKER_001: Evaluate growth by how it benefits others.

00:45:50 SPEAKER_001: Consistency over intensity.

00:45:48 SPEAKER_001: The life pattern is cumulative, not episodic.

00:45:54 SPEAKER_001: Salvation in this framing is neither instant nor externally granted.

00:46:00 SPEAKER_001: It is a process of alignment.

00:46:05 SPEAKER_001: Unity realized within.

00:46:06 SPEAKER_001: Truth lived without.

00:46:11 SPEAKER_001: Love expressed through service.

00:46:11 SPEAKER_001: There we go.

00:46:14 SPEAKER_001: Jesus demonstrates the complete pattern.

00:46:16 SPEAKER_001: The seeker walks it.

00:46:18 SPEAKER_001: It's like I made this little video today, and in it I had a phrase: "Jesus is not the excuse.

00:46:22 SPEAKER_001: Jesus is the truth, the way of life.

00:46:27 SPEAKER_001: You know, we're to live like him."

00:46:32 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:46:33 SPEAKER_001: So, uh, I guess unless does anyone else want to talk on that?

00:46:39 SPEAKER_001: Or should we move on to the next quote?

00:46:51 SPEAKER_001: There, I think we've we've we've kind of beat it up quite a bit.

00:46:59 SPEAKER_001: Okay, Bill, did you want to read the next one?

00:47:19 SPEAKER_001: Sure.

00:47:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:47:20 SPEAKER_001: When I was a very young boy, I wished very much to be a girl, and my father was ashamed of me and gave me to a monastery near the sounds like Patola.

00:47:30 SPEAKER_001: This may seem hard, yet.

00:47:34 SPEAKER_001: It was my salvation.

00:47:34 SPEAKER_001: For in the monastery, I saw good masters and bad masters, but all sought not only the things of the world, but also and more importantly, the things of the spirit.

00:47:52 SPEAKER_001: And so, being young, ashamed, and hoping for amendment with life, I blended quickly into the ceaseless prayer, will of monastic existence.

00:48:07 SPEAKER_001: For thirty years, I held a subservient place in the monastery, wishing for nothing more.

00:48:17 SPEAKER_001: For the simple things were more and more nourishing to me, and as I learned the discipline of myself, my own company became more and more desirable.

00:48:28 SPEAKER_001: Oh, that's a.

00:48:30 SPEAKER_001: I think this must be.

00:48:33 SPEAKER_001: That's from nineteen eighty-seven.

00:48:33 SPEAKER_001: That's probably Aaron.

00:48:35 SPEAKER_001: Oh, that's not that's not a Confederation contact.

00:48:39 SPEAKER_001: That's uh.

00:48:42 SPEAKER_001: Tech.

00:48:44 SPEAKER_001: That's a that's a story about an ascended master.

00:48:50 SPEAKER_001: Oh, probably.

00:48:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, because yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:52 SPEAKER_001: There he goes.

00:48:52 SPEAKER_001: See.

00:48:53 SPEAKER_001: All right.

00:48:55 SPEAKER_001: About day.

00:48:56 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:48:57 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:48:57 SPEAKER_001: So I guess we'll just skip over that.

00:49:02 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:49:02 SPEAKER_001: Here we go.

00:49:03 SPEAKER_001: This one looks like it's real Confederation.

00:49:09 SPEAKER_001: Right, nineteen eighty nine.

00:49:10 SPEAKER_001: So it's probably Q'uo.

00:49:14 SPEAKER_001: Okay, the judgment of the self we need not say is inappropriate to the solution, from within the solution, for those within the illusion cannot even see that they are energy fields with consciousness.

00:49:33 SPEAKER_001: Each thinks each is a solid and pink and two-legged.

00:49:38 SPEAKER_001: We ask.

00:49:39 SPEAKER_001: You, how much more distorted a picture of the self could one receive?

00:49:48 SPEAKER_001: Yet that is how you perceive and are perceived.

00:49:55 SPEAKER_001: Consequently, never judge the self, but each day groom the will to desire to seek the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:50:05 SPEAKER_001: And then, if there is aught to do for the Creator that lies before you, do it with a glad and merry heart.

00:50:16 SPEAKER_001: And your singleness of vision for only one reason for love, and that is your salvation.

00:50:23 SPEAKER_001: Very good.

00:50:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I think this one, the AI really loved this quote.

00:50:27 SPEAKER_001: This is kind of like it's always harping back onto this one.

00:50:34 SPEAKER_001: Um, so I think that this this has basically all the elements that you need.

00:50:45 SPEAKER_001: You know, never judge the self, but each day groom the will to desire to seek the love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:50:56 SPEAKER_001: And then, if there is aught to do for the Creator that lies before you, as in like, if the Creator wills you to do it,

00:51:08 SPEAKER_001: then with a glad and merry heart and singleness of vision, for that only reason, for love, you know, do it.

00:51:16 SPEAKER_001: And that is.

00:51:17 SPEAKER_001: Can we go back to that text and look up?

00:51:19 SPEAKER_001: The question that generated this answer.

00:51:25 SPEAKER_001: All right, let's do it.

00:51:27 SPEAKER_001: See, see what the question was, and who said it.

00:51:31 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, pretty sure it's a Quip.

00:51:32 SPEAKER_001: It was Oxl.

00:51:34 SPEAKER_001: Oh, it was okay.

00:51:35 SPEAKER_001: I'm wrong again.

00:51:34 SPEAKER_001: Okay, well, it's it's part of a very long text.

00:51:46 SPEAKER_001: Oh, did we have a question before it?

00:51:51 SPEAKER_001: Now, do we, in the spiritual sense, look at ourselves and come away with a justified feeling of self worth?

00:52:00 SPEAKER_001: In other words, how can you feel that you have a reason and a purpose and a value in your life, and how do you measure such things spiritually?

00:52:12 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

00:52:13 SPEAKER_001: So then, there's a long answer.

00:52:15 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that that question makes sense.

00:52:20 SPEAKER_001: In this context.

00:52:20 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, first thing you do is stop judging yourself.

00:52:24 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

00:52:25 SPEAKER_001: And then if you can stop judging yourself, you'll stop judging others.

00:52:32 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

00:52:33 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that second chakra work.

00:52:35 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

00:52:35 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

00:52:36 SPEAKER_001: Because you've got to clear all the bottom chakras so that your heart has enough radiance to graduate.

00:52:44 SPEAKER_001: Sounds so nice.

00:52:45 SPEAKER_001: And a lot of people, especially in the West, struggle with negative feelings towards themselves.

00:52:53 SPEAKER_001: I wonder why that would be.

00:52:55 SPEAKER_001: Well, I was being facetious.

00:52:58 SPEAKER_001: Oh, you were being facetious.

00:53:02 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:53:03 SPEAKER_001: Well, how about you tell us?

00:53:05 SPEAKER_001: Well, I just know that the indigenous don't have the same cognitive dissonance, and so I think it might be what we've done to the land as a social complex,

00:53:20 SPEAKER_001: and have we benefited or harmed it?

00:53:23 SPEAKER_001: And that includes people.

00:53:24 SPEAKER_001: And I just feel like you know, there's a lot to get settled.

00:53:32 SPEAKER_001: There's a lot of peace to make.

00:53:37 SPEAKER_001: And well, in the West, we tend to worship the shell.

00:53:40 SPEAKER_001: So I've actually done some research on this, and apparently, it is very unique, and it actually derives from Catholicism.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_001: In Asia, they do not experience guilt like we do; they have a more shame-based culture.

00:53:52 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, I understand that.

00:53:54 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yeah, and then so it's actually Catholicism is one of the strongest based on guilt, but also Protestantism has it as well,

00:54:01 SPEAKER_001: especially in there is this very often cited passage from Luke where there is a priest and a publican praying at the temple, and the priest is like, "Oh, I'm so great, I'm so great.

00:54:16 SPEAKER_001: Thank you, Lord, for how great I am.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_001: Oh, and how much better I am than these other people."

00:54:23 SPEAKER_001: And so he's degrading other people while he's praying.

00:54:30 SPEAKER_001: And so, and then there is the publican, and the publican says, "Oh, I am a sinner.

00:54:37 SPEAKER_001: Help me, Lord.

00:54:38 SPEAKER_001: You know, forgive me.

00:54:42 SPEAKER_001: You know, be kind to me."

00:54:47 SPEAKER_001: And then Jesus says that you know the second one is closer to salvation.

00:54:56 SPEAKER_001: And many people interpret this as thinking that they need to think about themselves and characterize themselves as sinners in order to become closer to salvation,

00:55:09 SPEAKER_001: but what they're missing is the context of everything else that Jesus said.

00:55:15 SPEAKER_001: Jesus never called on us to be sinners, but Jesus does call on us to do the Lord's will, and so also to be kind to others.

00:55:26 SPEAKER_001: So the second man didn't degrade anybody.

00:55:29 SPEAKER_001: You know, the main flaw of the first man was that he was not recognizing the divine in all beings.

00:55:37 SPEAKER_001: He was not, you know, being of service.

00:55:40 SPEAKER_001: He was saying, "Oh, I'm so much better than that publican.

00:55:45 SPEAKER_001: I'm, you know, so much better than these other people."

00:55:48 SPEAKER_001: Which is not recognizing the divine image of God in all people.

00:55:54 SPEAKER_001: And so it's not humility, which is actually in the next paragraph here.

00:56:00 SPEAKER_001: But it's also like from my analysis of the Confederation contact.

00:56:06 SPEAKER_001: The essence of humility is recognizing that it's not you that is doing it, but the infinite Creator through you.

00:56:15 SPEAKER_001: And so, and then inviting the Creator to do it through you, not trying to do it of yourself, because your own energies are finite.

00:56:25 SPEAKER_001: It's the Creator who is infinite.

00:56:27 SPEAKER_001: And yeah, being humble.

00:56:31 SPEAKER_001: Being humble is also a way of accepting, you know, because love and acceptance are the two great traits of the service to others path.

00:56:43 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and that that second person was also being humble in that they were asking God to help them, whereas the first one had a kind of aloof attitude.

00:56:54 SPEAKER_001: And going back to what you originally were talking about was guilt and shame.

00:57:00 SPEAKER_001: Guilt and shame are both excellent control mechanisms for groups.

00:57:07 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, especially on the service to self path.

00:57:11 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:13 SPEAKER_001: And so, yeah, the service to others is forgiveness, love, and compassion, and acceptance.

00:57:18 SPEAKER_001: Forgiveness, love, and acceptance.

00:57:21 SPEAKER_001: Well, it's love and acceptance.

00:57:26 SPEAKER_001: Then the other traits follow.

00:57:28 SPEAKER_001: Okay, sure.

00:57:28 SPEAKER_001: Love and acceptance.

00:57:29 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and then, well, the forgiveness.

00:57:35 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and then the compassion is the thing.

00:57:37 SPEAKER_001: I think that leads to the wisdom, because the compassion is what leads to balancing.

00:57:44 SPEAKER_001: Because, say, for instance, you have someone, say, in a service to self individual, or maybe a neutral individual, but they are harming another person.

00:57:54 SPEAKER_001: And now, yeah, you can love and accept everybody, but then if you have that compassion, then you have compassion for everybody in the situation, including the person who is the victim or being harmed,

00:58:10 SPEAKER_001: and so that's where the wisdom can come in in terms of resolving this in a way where you know the victim is no longer being harmed.

00:58:23 SPEAKER_001: You know, putting some kind of limits or boundaries.

00:58:28 SPEAKER_001: Well, the wisdom includes understanding free will.

00:58:33 SPEAKER_001: Because when you're harming another person, you're generally going against their free will.

00:58:40 SPEAKER_001: Yes, unless they're a sadomasochist and they want you to do it.

00:58:44 SPEAKER_001: You know, that's another distortion altogether.

00:58:47 SPEAKER_001: But you know, it's these are basic principles.

00:58:54 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, exactly.

00:58:55 SPEAKER_001: So yeah, respect for free will is an essential aspect of it.

00:58:58 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, you're not sto if you do not respect free will.

00:59:02 SPEAKER_001: Exactly, exactly, yeah, and so yeah, do it with a glad and merry heart.

00:59:07 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so let's try the next one.

00:59:09 SPEAKER_001: Gregory, did you want to read?

00:59:12 SPEAKER_001: Sure, I love him.

00:59:12 SPEAKER_001: Okay, here goes.

00:59:14 SPEAKER_001: You carry upon your backs, unless you forgive yourself every day.

00:59:19 SPEAKER_001: Give yourself every day a terrible, terrible burden.

00:59:21 SPEAKER_001: The variousness of catalysts and experience among your peoples is intended, and is guaranteed to create within the experience a subjective concept, an opinion of the self as having come up short,

00:59:38 SPEAKER_001: of having failed in some way.

00:59:40 SPEAKER_001: Where then is salvation?

00:59:42 SPEAKER_001: It is within you, each of you.

00:59:45 SPEAKER_001: Roll the stone away from the tomb of low self-esteem, of self-doubt, of prejudice against the self, think of yourself as an object other than yourself.

00:59:59 SPEAKER_001: Gaze upon the self as upon a stranger, and you will find that your opinion of yourself is changed.

01:00:07 SPEAKER_001: For you do not judge others as you judge yourself.

01:00:09 SPEAKER_001: Very good, thank you, Gregory.

01:00:12 SPEAKER_001: I know this is another one that my eye really latched onto and really liked.

01:00:18 SPEAKER_001: I guess because it also has some essential teachings that help people to get over the blockages that the roll the stone away from the tomb of low self-esteem, of self-doubt,

01:00:30 SPEAKER_001: and it's kind of like a visual, and so it's a lot easier for a lot of people to understand.

01:00:38 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of like people have put themselves in the tomb through low self-esteem and self-doubt.

01:00:47 SPEAKER_001: And self doubt, and so, and then gaze yourself upon as a stranger, and then now it makes sense to me why it was latching onto this,

01:00:58 SPEAKER_001: because you know it's kind of like how we judge other people so much better.

01:01:03 SPEAKER_001: It's like it's like oh you know like it's so understandable.

01:01:08 SPEAKER_001: It's like well it's hard, you know.

01:01:11 SPEAKER_001: We're often you know the harshest critic of ourselves.

01:01:16 SPEAKER_001: And actually, it's that's a universal quality.

01:01:26 SPEAKER_001: Even in the afterlife, people are still the harshest critics of themselves.

01:01:41 SPEAKER_001: So we're starting to see a pattern where salvation begins with a very healthy love of self, a balanced and healthy love of self, not an ego thing, but and not to the exclusion of others,

01:01:56 SPEAKER_001: which would lead to service to self.

01:01:58 SPEAKER_001: You know.

01:01:59 SPEAKER_001: So, but yeah, you you you have to be.

01:02:02 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of like kind enough to yourself that you can be kind to others.

01:02:07 SPEAKER_001: Well, that's the whole thing about the path.

01:02:12 SPEAKER_001: Is what you can't do for yourself, you really can't do for another.

01:02:17 SPEAKER_001: So when you judge harshly yourself, as lots of people do, and I got friends who definitely are like that, they harshly judge others.

01:02:27 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, it's true, and and you you see them; they're just projecting.

01:02:31 SPEAKER_001: Hmm.

01:02:32 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, it's sad.

01:02:34 SPEAKER_001: It's sad when it happens.

01:02:36 SPEAKER_001: Well, it's nothing sad.

01:02:37 SPEAKER_001: It's just all all these entities got to go through all these experiences because the creator is experiencing itself in infinite amounts of ways.

01:02:46 SPEAKER_001: That's just another experience.

01:02:48 SPEAKER_001: Fair enough.

01:02:49 SPEAKER_001: Can I clarify?

01:02:50 SPEAKER_001: Go ahead, Janet.

01:02:52 SPEAKER_001: So, salvation comes through love.

01:02:54 SPEAKER_001: That is the fourth chakra, right?

01:02:56 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:02:56 SPEAKER_001: I mean, and salvation doesn't come through the fifth chakra or the second.

01:03:01 SPEAKER_001: Or it comes.

01:03:02 SPEAKER_001: It's... there's a dynamic between love and the fourth chakra.

01:03:06 SPEAKER_001: And so, there's... like there.

01:03:07 SPEAKER_001: If you think of the chakra system, it's like spheres, like an onion.

01:03:12 SPEAKER_001: One and seven, like seven's the north pole and one is the south pole, and then you come in as two and six, north pole and south pole, and then down to three and five,

01:03:27 SPEAKER_001: and then the heart's in the middle.

01:03:31 SPEAKER_001: So there's an energetic band between the second chakra, the orange chakra, and the sixth chakra, and the sixth chakra is the gateway.

01:03:40 SPEAKER_001: So on.

01:03:41 SPEAKER_001: So until you do the work to recognize your self-worth and self-love, and you're able to convert that, then you get into compassion, which involves other people.

01:03:51 SPEAKER_001: So your heart's... it's heart work that's done through the orange and yellow chakras.

01:03:55 SPEAKER_001: Meanwhile, the orange chakra... to be really for you to be able to talk more directly or be more conscious of.

01:04:04 SPEAKER_001: Be more conscious.

01:04:04 SPEAKER_001: The pineal gland is affected by the condition of the second chakra, the orange chakra.

01:04:11 SPEAKER_001: So you have to have harmony between the second chakra and the sixth chakra to get optimum functioning of the sixth chakra.

01:04:21 SPEAKER_001: So that's why it's so important.

01:04:24 SPEAKER_001: They say to love yourself, and we have all these ego interferences and learnings and teachings, and... and that's like kind of where the work is, is to love yourself too, as you love others.

01:04:36 SPEAKER_001: So I don't know.

01:04:37 SPEAKER_001: That's sort of a rant, but that's... that was going back to the theme of salvation.

01:04:41 SPEAKER_001: And I'm sorry if I went on.

01:04:42 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, and there is, and there is compassion for the self.

01:04:48 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

01:04:49 SPEAKER_001: You won't be able to have compassion for others if you do not have compassion for yourself.

01:04:59 SPEAKER_001: That's not always easy.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_001: No. Yeah.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_001: No. Especially if you have a certain image or incorrect, you know, thought of yourself, or you've been, you know, brainwashed or, you know, programmed into ways of, you know, your school, your religion, your culture,

01:05:12 SPEAKER_001: your family.

01:05:12 SPEAKER_001: 3D.

01:05:13 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:05:13 SPEAKER_001: Ways of 3D.

01:05:14 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:05:14 SPEAKER_001: And yeah, like I agree with you, Nene.

01:05:18 SPEAKER_001: It's that.

01:05:19 SPEAKER_001: I agree with you, Nanette.

01:05:20 SPEAKER_001: It's that the heart is the key to salvation, from you know, or graduation from third to fourth density, and in order for the green to be activated, it actually to be balanced,

01:05:31 SPEAKER_001: you actually need the ones below it to also be balanced, like the the yellow and the orange and the red, and so the red... red is one of the ones that hasn't been covered here,

01:05:49 SPEAKER_001: but you know that's that's about feeling more secure in subsistence, and in terms of that, having that faith that all is well and all will be well.

01:06:02 SPEAKER_001: And now the orange ray, and I found it interesting what you were saying about that circle, kind of if you imagine them as a globe, because you were talking about worthiness,

01:06:14 SPEAKER_001: and so the because in the sixth ray, the key to opening your third eye, chakra, is feeling worthy to have this information.

01:06:22 SPEAKER_001: Yes, thank you.

01:06:24 SPEAKER_001: If you are feeling worthy to have this information, it will be given to you.

01:06:29 SPEAKER_001: That's... that's it's... it's kind of a kind of ask and feel worthy, and it will be given to you.

01:06:38 SPEAKER_001: And then, but going back to the orange ray, that has to do with one-on-one relationships as well as relationships with yourself.

01:06:48 SPEAKER_001: So, in order for that to be balanced, you have to recognize the divine within yourself, and in your one-on-one relationships, so like your spousal style relationships,

01:07:00 SPEAKER_001: and so that that other person also has a divine within them, and they are equally worthy.

01:07:06 SPEAKER_001: You're equally worthy.

01:07:08 SPEAKER_001: You're not trying to dominate them.

01:07:10 SPEAKER_001: You're not kind of letting them dominate you.

01:07:14 SPEAKER_001: You're experiencing yourself and honouring each other's free will.

01:07:18 SPEAKER_001: You're honouring your own free will, and that would include the... stranger, the street, your workmate, your classmate, just individual to individual.

01:07:28 SPEAKER_001: So, well, it would be individual to individual when you're interacting with them on an individual basis.

01:07:34 SPEAKER_001: A stranger on the street would still be in your heart level.

01:07:38 SPEAKER_001: So, because no, that would be that would be first.

01:07:42 SPEAKER_001: It would go to the orange ray because you're you're accepting that other has the Creator.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_001: But I think that's that's only once you've established a relationship with them.

01:07:52 SPEAKER_001: So so once they're no longer... because the yellow ray, the yellow ray is about your colleagues and your family.

01:08:00 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, I would disagree with that.

01:08:03 SPEAKER_001: I don't think you have to establish a relationship.

01:08:06 SPEAKER_001: Okay, fair enough.

01:08:08 SPEAKER_001: Because in the oneness, we're all in a relationship.

01:08:10 SPEAKER_001: Okay, sure.

01:08:12 SPEAKER_001: I mean, but I I see what you're saying.

01:08:15 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:08:13 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:08:16 SPEAKER_001: Um.

01:08:17 SPEAKER_001: And so because the yellow ray... it's about colleagues and family, and so a lot.

01:08:22 SPEAKER_001: I know that there's also a lot of people who struggle with their relationship with their family.

01:08:33 SPEAKER_001: They may be on hard terms with a brother or a sister or a mother or a father, and those are also blockages.

01:08:42 SPEAKER_001: Those also have to be forgiven.

01:08:49 SPEAKER_001: Those also have to be cleared out.

01:08:50 SPEAKER_001: We have to, you know, forgive and love.

01:08:54 SPEAKER_001: You know, our mother, our father, our brother, or yeah.

01:08:59 SPEAKER_001: There's a lot of karma there.

01:09:00 SPEAKER_001: There's a lot of karma being acted out in there.

01:09:08 SPEAKER_001: Exactly, and yeah, that's essential to salvation.

01:09:12 SPEAKER_001: It is essential to graduation.

01:09:14 SPEAKER_001: You have to clear that yellow ray in order for your green ray to properly shine.

01:09:28 SPEAKER_001: So you have to clear out all of that kind of.

01:09:48 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of like you know the monks in the temple or whatever.

01:09:55 SPEAKER_001: However you want to visualize it, but it's all got to be balanced out.

01:10:04 SPEAKER_001: You've got to get all of that soot out.

01:10:08 SPEAKER_001: You've got to clean it, and you know, pray to God to help me forgive this person, help me love this person.

01:10:18 SPEAKER_001: You know, clean out my iniquities or my resentments, or however you want to phrase it.

01:10:24 SPEAKER_001: That I may be a more pure, you know, vessel of love and light.

01:10:32 SPEAKER_001: And then once you have those three, then you go to the heart and the heart is about that is the most connected to the heart of God.

01:10:48 SPEAKER_001: Because now you are not just talking about the people in your social group, the people in your family.

01:10:58 SPEAKER_001: You're talking about all of creation, and how could you possibly know what anyone else is feeling?

01:11:03 SPEAKER_001: Only God can know that, and so that's why we talk about inviting God into our heart, because God is the one that feels what they're feeling, and so when you invite God,

01:11:23 SPEAKER_001: then you can share in their pain.

01:11:25 SPEAKER_001: You can have compassion for that person, or or those people, or the that object, or whoever, whatever it may be, the the environment as you were mentioning earlier, and then it, um,

01:11:39 SPEAKER_001: and then you know you could be moved by compassion, in being.

01:11:42 SPEAKER_001: But you're only talking about the third level, third density level, right there, because when you get to higher density, you do know what other people are feeling.

01:11:53 SPEAKER_001: Right, right, yeah, because it once, as the Confederation said, that once you have that, so once you've got those first four layers open, then you get into the wisdom.

01:12:06 SPEAKER_001: The wisdom starts opening up, and so you start being able to, you know, hear other people's thoughts and and things like that.

01:12:18 SPEAKER_001: Sounds like you're kind of describing an electrical current with less and less impedance.

01:12:27 SPEAKER_001: So it's more free-flowing, like through the whole system.

01:12:30 SPEAKER_001: Yes, exactly, exactly.

01:12:30 SPEAKER_001: So it has to have like low enough impedance, or...

01:12:35 SPEAKER_001: I'm not sure what the proper low enough resistance, you know.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_001: If you have too much resistance, then even if your heart is wide open, but you are having trouble on your family level, then your bulb is not going to be very bright, you know.

01:12:53 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_001: That's where the work is.

01:12:55 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

01:12:56 SPEAKER_001: So, so you find, you know, if you're having resentment to yourself, you know, or your one-on-one relationships, that's your orange ray work.

01:13:03 SPEAKER_001: You know, if you're having trouble with your family, that's your yellow ray work.

01:13:11 SPEAKER_001: That's your yellow rate work.

01:13:13 SPEAKER_001: If you're having trouble on, you know, day-to-day needs, that's your red rate work.

01:13:21 SPEAKER_001: And a lot of that isn't anything you do or any changing anything.

01:13:25 SPEAKER_001: A lot of it is just accepting.

01:13:29 SPEAKER_001: You know, you just... yeah, accept your family member, accept your, you know, meth-head brother, you know, brother that's stealing shit from you and stuff.

01:13:39 SPEAKER_001: Right, right.

01:13:40 SPEAKER_001: Whatever it might be.

01:13:41 SPEAKER_001: Right, or like an abusive parent figure, whatever.

01:13:45 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, whatever happened.

01:13:46 SPEAKER_001: You know, you're not going to change the person, but you can... you can accept that, and you can change your perception of love to that person.

01:13:59 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

01:13:59 SPEAKER_001: You don't have to let them hurt you.

01:14:04 SPEAKER_001: And you have to also keep in mind there's a huge difference between accepting someone as a part of the One Infinite Creator, just as all the rest of us are,

01:14:15 SPEAKER_001: and tolerating boundaries being crossed and tolerating poor behaviour.

01:14:18 SPEAKER_001: It's... it's a big difference, but you... you can... it's that's where... that's where the catalyst is.

01:14:30 SPEAKER_001: It's all the same.

01:14:32 SPEAKER_001: There's no difference there.

01:14:34 SPEAKER_001: Well, there... there... are boundaries, they're healthy, and they're part of wisdom, and so yeah.

01:14:38 SPEAKER_001: And you... you know, there is...

01:14:40 SPEAKER_001: I know Dolores Cannon had a thing that it's kind of like you can just imagine the soul contract with this person and just tearing it up, and it's like, okay, that's it.

01:14:53 SPEAKER_001: You know, that is... that is an option if... if it's kind of like... you feel like... there's no, you're no longer mutually benefiting from this relationship.

01:15:00 SPEAKER_001: Just be careful when you're setting boundaries that you just don't close off your heart.

01:15:09 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes, the problem is people close their hearts off when they set, you know, especially extreme boundaries, especially after a whole lot of bad shits happen.

01:15:18 SPEAKER_001: So that's the important part.

01:15:20 SPEAKER_001: Is not armoring the self and closing that heart off, and while you're setting your boundaries.

01:15:24 SPEAKER_001: Yes, that's the balance.

01:15:27 SPEAKER_001: Yes, that's true.

01:15:28 SPEAKER_001: And honestly, personally, I have not yet had that need to set boundaries in terms of... because what I find to be the most productive is if they're being really mean to me,

01:15:42 SPEAKER_001: to just be really, really nice and kind, and loving them and blessing them, and just, just you know, going out of, you know, like whatever they respond to me and just,

01:15:52 SPEAKER_001: just responding with love and kindness, and eventually, what ends up happening is that either they soften or they go away, because they feel dirty.

01:16:02 SPEAKER_001: They feel dirty about.

01:16:03 SPEAKER_001: It's kind of like... you know, the walking towards the light at the end of life.

01:16:08 SPEAKER_001: It's... it's talked about in the Confederation.

01:16:12 SPEAKER_001: Walking the steps of light, they call it.

01:16:16 SPEAKER_001: And so, what it is, it really so is... you know, after a person becomes disincarnate, then they go into kind of this kind of room or hallway, if you will,

01:16:32 SPEAKER_001: and at the end of the hall... is an eighth density being, so person who has you know graduated eighth density, and then there's seventh density beings along the margin, seeing how far you get along,

01:16:45 SPEAKER_001: and then you're walking towards that eighth density being until you are so enamored with the love and light that you have to turn to the side, you know, because it's kind of like... um,

01:17:02 SPEAKER_001: you know, just... just say for instance you're like a caveman or a cave woman, you know, and then you're with these other cave people, um, and you're all kind of like dirty and stinky,

01:17:16 SPEAKER_001: but because you're all dirty and stinky, it's not a big deal.

01:17:19 SPEAKER_001: Um, but then you go to like this party where everyone is like very proper and nice, and then you know you feel dirty and stinky, like you know.

01:17:29 SPEAKER_001: Dirty and sticky, like you don't belong here.

01:17:34 SPEAKER_001: You know what I mean, and it's kind of like that on a soul level,

01:17:39 SPEAKER_001: where it's just that... the people... they feel they can see their own iniquities because of the bright love and the bright light that is shining, and so they just feel like, okay,

01:17:52 SPEAKER_001: I gotta take a step back from this.

01:17:58 SPEAKER_001: Uh huh.

01:17:59 SPEAKER_001: And so, at least for me, that's... been the most effective strategy.

01:18:03 SPEAKER_001: But it does lead me to getting blocked by people who are mean.

01:18:09 SPEAKER_001: It's... it's not me blocking them; it's them blocking me because their attacks or whatever are not working, and they feel embarrassed by their behaviour interacting with me.

01:18:19 SPEAKER_001: Well, with the... with the numerous NDE experiences people have before the stairs of light, nobody ever goes into that.

01:18:28 SPEAKER_001: That's had NDEs, but they'll all talk about a life review.

01:18:33 SPEAKER_001: And in the life review, when you know, even people that are just dead for a little bit, some see this.

01:18:45 SPEAKER_001: They literally not only feel everything that happened to them, but everything that happened to the other self.

01:18:52 SPEAKER_001: And it's even more heightened and you know brought out more and more.

01:18:58 SPEAKER_001: You know.

01:18:59 SPEAKER_001: So that that life review is really, and... and it's nothing of shame or guilt.

01:19:07 SPEAKER_001: It's just a kind of... just a reflection of what happened, and actually, it's kind of a really eye-opener to the actual oneness of all.

01:19:22 SPEAKER_001: Isn't it?

01:19:22 SPEAKER_001: Let me see.

01:19:24 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:19:24 SPEAKER_001: If in the last week, somewhere...

01:19:27 SPEAKER_001: I... somewhere I had read or heard some...

01:19:29 SPEAKER_001: Or heard something about going on this path of light, like going through the bardo's, and then you step aside when the light becomes too bright, and that's kind of where you are.

01:19:42 SPEAKER_001: And so that was mentioned, and I'd never thought of it as stepping aside, but I heard that about a week ago.

01:19:52 SPEAKER_001: I don't even know where it came from, and I told a friend because we were talking about such things, and then you just mentioned it.

01:20:02 SPEAKER_001: So I think that's just really... a lot of synchronicity.

01:20:14 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, stepping aside on the path of light, and that's kind of different.

01:20:27 SPEAKER_001: That's sort of your karmic reality.

01:20:29 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_001: So, you know, and basically, after you step aside, then you find out if you're going to still be in third density, or if you graduated to fourth, or wherever.

01:20:45 SPEAKER_001: You get to pick your parents and stuff.

01:20:48 SPEAKER_001: Hopefully.

01:20:48 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:20:49 SPEAKER_001: Well, you always get to do that.

01:20:51 SPEAKER_001: You always get... to do that if you want.

01:20:56 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:20:57 SPEAKER_001: Oh, only you will know how much light you can handle.

01:21:04 SPEAKER_001: Yes, this is true.

01:21:05 SPEAKER_001: And then, Bill, in terms of the NDE, I think that it's just such a quick process.

01:21:17 SPEAKER_001: I think that a lot of people don't even really mention it so much.

01:21:24 SPEAKER_001: But it's like the whole going towards the light is one of the first steps of almost all NDEs.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_001: Where they see a light and then they're going towards it, and then they have you know their rest of their experience.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_001: That's not necessarily... that's not necessarily true.

01:21:56 SPEAKER_001: I mean, once you really get to the NDEs, you see so many, so many different experiences.

01:22:07 SPEAKER_001: Yes, a lot of the experiences are... are... are really determined by your beliefs and your presence and... you know, you know, especially dogma.

01:22:16 SPEAKER_001: I mean, yeah, people that have had NDEs in, you know, the... you know,

01:22:19 SPEAKER_001: in like China or wherever they do the boot or wherever that religion that has the wheel of pain or the tree of, you know, torture,

01:22:31 SPEAKER_001: and they they'll actually go and experience what their culture has said.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_001: You know, so so it's the... the NDEs are all over the place.

01:22:37 SPEAKER_001: Interesting.

01:22:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:22:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:22:42 SPEAKER_001: It's... it's really because... because all of you know what what that shows me more than everything is everything is a personal journey.

01:22:53 SPEAKER_001: Nobody, you know,

01:22:54 SPEAKER_001: they... they... they talk about you know the Confederation puts it like there's love where we're all the same when we when it comes to love because of the the creators within us and we all

01:23:13 SPEAKER_001: are the creator and that's what we are that that love that consciousness.

01:23:18 SPEAKER_001: But because of free will, we're all totally separate and unique, and the the NDEs, you know, express that.

01:23:24 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:23:28 SPEAKER_001: Well, I think there's one more, Gregory.

01:23:30 SPEAKER_001: Do you want to read it for us?

01:23:33 SPEAKER_001: Sure.

01:23:33 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:23:34 SPEAKER_001: Number ten.

01:23:35 SPEAKER_001: Now, each has its own network of friends who also walk upon a path of faith, attempting to live a life of devotion to the Creator.

01:23:44 SPEAKER_001: Thusly, each may link this group with others.

01:23:48 SPEAKER_001: In this way, that golden net of which we have spoken is more and more finished.

01:23:53 SPEAKER_001: The strands covering more and more of the globe's inner spheres.

01:23:57 SPEAKER_001: This is a time of beginnings, the dawning of a new millennium.

01:24:03 SPEAKER_001: In this new day, your riches shall be each other.

01:24:07 SPEAKER_001: How much you have to give to each other, my friends.

01:24:11 SPEAKER_001: Yourself, you cannot save.

01:24:12 SPEAKER_001: Not save, another must reach the hand.

01:24:15 SPEAKER_001: Yet what you are not able to do for yourself, trust and know that you, imperfect, broken, and sorrowing—yes, you, just you, only you—can do a great service for others.

01:24:26 SPEAKER_001: Just, merely, only you, as you are, are of infinite, infinite value to each other.

01:24:33 SPEAKER_001: This is the way of salvation for all peoples.

01:24:35 SPEAKER_001: Love reflected in love, until your entire environment moves, as though to one great music.

01:24:42 SPEAKER_001: Even the flowers and trees swaying to that dawning, enhanced consciousness, which is coming gradually, even now, to each questioning spirit.

01:24:51 SPEAKER_001: Very good.

01:24:52 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

01:24:53 SPEAKER_001: This is another one.

01:24:55 SPEAKER_001: That's quite beautiful.

01:24:56 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, the AI really liked the golden net analogy here.

01:25:00 SPEAKER_001: Well, the, you know, the Facebook picture of the LL Research has the people kind of doing a golden net over the planet Earth as their picture.

01:25:20 SPEAKER_001: You know, Gregory knows what I'm talking about.

01:25:41 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:25:42 SPEAKER_001: And so I'm not even sure where where is the word salvation in here.

01:25:49 SPEAKER_001: Oh, this is the way of salvation for all peoples.

01:25:53 SPEAKER_001: Love reflected in love until your entire environment.

01:26:02 SPEAKER_001: Air environment moves us to one great music.

01:26:07 SPEAKER_001: Even the flowers and trees swaying to the dawning enhanced consciousness, which is coming gradually, even now, to each questioning spirit.

01:26:18 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, that is a beautiful, beautiful message.

01:26:23 SPEAKER_001: And I guess it talks about the interconnectedness of all of us.

01:26:26 SPEAKER_001: Did it?

01:26:27 SPEAKER_001: Anyone else have anything on that?

01:26:29 SPEAKER_001: Or I guess we have.

01:26:35 SPEAKER_001: Well, interesting.

01:26:36 SPEAKER_001: They say that we all save each other.

01:26:39 SPEAKER_001: Yes, yes.

01:26:40 SPEAKER_001: I think it's because in service to others, you need to have others to be of service to.

01:26:49 SPEAKER_001: You know.

01:26:50 SPEAKER_001: Well, and and it also speaks to the unity of all, you know, because everything, you know, the Creator's not going to lose a part of itself.

01:27:03 SPEAKER_001: You know, it's got eternity to develop whatever entities out there, because that entity is the Creator.

01:27:09 SPEAKER_001: So at one point, that entity is going to latch on to other entities and make the leap forward.

01:27:16 SPEAKER_001: So was that?

01:27:17 SPEAKER_001: Was that?

01:27:18 SPEAKER_001: What group is saying that, or was that an AI?

01:27:21 SPEAKER_001: No, that that was definitely a Confederation.

01:27:25 SPEAKER_001: Well, actually, well, I'm pretty sure that was a Confederation contact.

01:27:32 SPEAKER_001: Let's just double check because it was one day where they had multiple sessions.

01:27:38 SPEAKER_001: Sometimes in one of those.

01:27:40 SPEAKER_001: Like Grand Central Station for each group.

01:27:44 SPEAKER_001: Salvation.

01:27:44 SPEAKER_001: So this was cool.

01:27:47 SPEAKER_001: Cool.

01:27:47 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

01:27:48 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:27:48 SPEAKER_001: Friend.

01:27:49 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:27:49 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

01:27:49 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:27:50 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:27:50 SPEAKER_001: See.

01:27:50 SPEAKER_001: See what question they asked.

01:27:52 SPEAKER_001: So the question was a long one.

01:27:54 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

01:27:55 SPEAKER_001: That's at the very start.

01:27:57 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:27:57 SPEAKER_001: Group question: Should we begin with all or one of the questions that we came up with?

01:28:04 SPEAKER_001: The feeling is to put all the questions on the screen.

01:28:08 SPEAKER_001: Okay, information about DNA, RNA changes.

01:28:10 SPEAKER_001: What is actually going on when a group of, such as ours, gathers that is not visible, as interactions among and between everyone in the group?

01:28:17 SPEAKER_001: I think that's what's being answered there.

01:28:19 SPEAKER_001: How do we use that energy when we go home to continue to grow and serve?

01:28:29 SPEAKER_001: I think that's where that golden bit comes in.

01:28:33 SPEAKER_001: Golden Net comes in.

01:28:35 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:28:35 SPEAKER_001: So, so there's a here.

01:28:37 SPEAKER_001: Now, to each entity, there have come the new faces, the new personalities, and there have been the opening to the first meeting of the mind and heart.

01:28:48 SPEAKER_001: It is the natural way of third density beings that has been the instinctual movement, instinctual movement, towards groupings.

01:29:18 SPEAKER_001: These groupings shifting, and further harmonizing, harmonization taking place as each spirit deepens the lines of communication with various other entities.

01:29:36 SPEAKER_001: So that over the period of those few rich hours of companionship and heartfelt love, like this, what we're doing now, a community supporting each other has evolved,

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: complete with stories to tell of laughter and of tears.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: For wanderers, this gathering of like souls is especially poignant because of the extended spiritual families or clans, which make up the chosen groupings of entities into the community in higher densities.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: When each departs this crystallized new entity of light, each may carry within the memory of the heart this supporting and enabling group's ethos or spirit.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: You wish to know how to use this incalculable, priceless gift.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Firstly, we ask each to gaze often into this memory, for there is comfort and validation in this group, each for the others.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: This simple remembering is potent and is one occasion which maximizes the development of faith.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: For each has the faith for the others.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Each falls down in faith when the gaze turns inward.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Therefore, this community of seeking, devotion, and faith that has been born here may withstand the plangent, painful doubts and fears which will come to each.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Further, when this memory is seen as that crystallized gem of offered and accepted love, which it is.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: That gem may be described as the seer's glass, and within its light, the Creator's itself lives.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Accessible in the intimate, personal way in which family members all have the same remembrance of loving parents, loving father, loving mother,

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: so each may see the memory both as invaluable in itself and as a clear glass in which each may become transparent to the one great original thought, which is love,

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: and then it goes on to the golden net.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: There we go.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: So yeah, you know, by coming here together, we and you know, praising the infinite Creator, we are helping form both that golden net and a social memory complex on the Earth, and you know,

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: distributing that love, and we're all growing in love.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: And as we go about our day afterwards and about our week, we're you know, like candles, you know, touching others and then helping them shine brighter too, with more love and more kindness.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Well, it's nine o'clock.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Anybody?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Do you remember?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Do you remember where we left off last time?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: No, I don't.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: But we can always look at the video.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Oh, okay.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Were we on the last question of the, or was that the last week?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: No, that was the previous one.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay, so we were in the last reading.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_001: I thought we were at a question that had a raw quote in it, or right after it, or something.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Maybe, maybe.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Um.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Are we going to do that next week?

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Sure, sure, sure.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Here, I think I'll just close this off with some of the the last things that the AI got out.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Salvation operates as a polarity of service and compassion that serves as armor of light against darkness and wickedness.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: The green ray energy centre of the heart serves as the specific channel for connection with all creation and the expression of unconditional love.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: The golden net of friends connects groups globally, covering the inner spheres of the Earth as we learn our riches are each other.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Compassion dissolves separations exacerbated by cold discernment, acting as the lodestar that delivers seekers through the dark night of their density.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: The activation of love transforms the hallmark of the fourth density from cold discernment to brotherhood, sisterhood, and shared understanding.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: We groom the will daily to desire the love and light of the infinite Creator and to perform tasks with a glad and merry heart.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_001: We practice viewing the self as stranger rather than judge.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Rolling away the heavy stones of low self-esteem and prejudice, we link our groups with others to finish the golden net.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Offering our gifts and receiving support in the new day, we attempt to express love and compassion as the true expression of self, even when the outcome does not match our beliefs.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: We enjoy the lights of the season and exchange the gifts as the symbols of love given and love received in the divine creation.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Salvation is love awakening within.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Service yields the fruit.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Seek the truth within the self.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Roll away the stone of doubt.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Love is the armor of light.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Enter the open heart as you are.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Honour yourself within the illusion.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Faith is not proven.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Compassion is the salvation.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: The golden net connects us, and live unencumbered by the past.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: So, and I do like Lotwy what he said in those few questions I mentioned before everybody else got in.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: That salvation is also balance.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Yes.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Oh, here there's there's one here on that.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_001: The practice of salvation leads to the balance of compassion and wisdom found in the fourth density.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Okay, passion and wisdom.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: This shock.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_001: All right.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: So, as I found you, I leave you in the infinite love and infinite light of the infinite Creator within you, and all around you, my friends.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Go forth, therefore, rejoicing in that infinite power and infinite peace.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_001: Adonai.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_001: Let's practice.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_001: Let's.

01:29:50 SPEAKER_001: All right.