Andrii-zvorygin General Meeting Transcript — September 2, 2026

00:00:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:00:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Go ahead.

00:00:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Your life.

00:00:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:00:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Greetings in love and light of the One Infinite Creator.

00:00:03 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm Andrii Zvorygin.

00:00:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Joined here with Zakaria Wilson, who you said you were the owner of the Big Bay General Store.

00:00:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Big Bay General Store in Georgetown Bluffs, strong and free since 1862.

00:00:14 SPEAKER_001: The best ice cream in Ontario and maybe the world.

00:00:17 SPEAKER_001: So awesome.

00:00:19 SPEAKER_001: Awesome.

00:00:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

00:00:20 SPEAKER_001: So you had some questions.

00:00:22 SPEAKER_001: Um.

00:00:23 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

00:00:23 SPEAKER_001: So we were talking.

00:00:24 SPEAKER_001: So you've um.

00:00:25 SPEAKER_001: You're obviously in the race.

00:00:26 SPEAKER_001: There's seven other people.

00:00:28 SPEAKER_001: Um.

00:00:29 SPEAKER_001: Seven other people, former bureaucrats, insurance brokers, realtors.

00:00:34 SPEAKER_001: You're different, right?

00:00:36 SPEAKER_001: You're kind of like I would consider you a little bit of an outsider candidate.

00:00:40 SPEAKER_001: Although you seem to know a thing or two about this town and how it works, and and how to you know run a what a treasury.

00:00:46 SPEAKER_001: So, uh, yes, yeah, yeah.

00:00:48 SPEAKER_001: The budget.

00:00:49 Andrii Zvorygin: So, at the mayor, since strong mayor powers is responsible for doing the budget for the city, as far as I know, I'm the only one with the experience to do so,

00:01:01 Andrii Zvorygin: because I I run two profitable businesses, and I'm also the treasurer for the makerspace, and I was also federal campaign treasurer.

00:01:12 SPEAKER_001: Amazing.

00:01:13 SPEAKER_001: Okay, and so like your strongest competitor, what kind of financial chops do they have?

00:01:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Ah, well, it's difficult to speculate.

00:01:23 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm not aware of them having any.

00:01:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh yeah, okay.

00:01:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I know.

00:01:24 Andrii Zvorygin: I saw what they did.

00:01:25 Andrii Zvorygin: So yeah, okay, yeah, no, I saw what they did.

00:01:27 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, I would probably agree.

00:01:28 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm very, you know, I'm also watching what how they're spending their money on the campaign, and you know, I'm just shaking my head.

00:01:37 SPEAKER_001: Well, yeah, okay.

00:01:37 SPEAKER_001: So, give me an example of what makes you shake your head when what you're looking at.

00:01:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, like, you know, certain like boosted posts that I I don't feel deserve to be boosted, and spending a lot of money on.

00:01:55 Andrii Zvorygin: For example, having cards, and they have you know to leave at the door.

00:02:01 Andrii Zvorygin: But all they have on them is an acrostic poem, and the person's name and contact information.

00:02:07 Andrii Zvorygin: It doesn't have anything about a platform.

00:02:09 Andrii Zvorygin: And I did the research, and they cost like forty cents each, and then their flyers cost closer to seventy-five cents to a dollar,

00:02:20 Andrii Zvorygin: and that that's a lot when one of my flyers costs me between two and seven and a half cents.

00:02:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh wow!

00:02:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, so that's a good example.

00:02:32 Andrii Zvorygin: So, so this is this is one of my flyers.

00:02:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:02:35 Andrii Zvorygin: I printed at home, and so the paper cost is one and a half cents.

00:02:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:02:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Because I get you know FSC certified, you know eco friendly wood, but in in bulk, and then for my IT business, I needed to get a new printer, anyways,

00:02:55 Andrii Zvorygin: and I happened to luck into getting one that has free ink for two years.

00:03:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:03:03 Andrii Zvorygin: So, I mean, the price of these is close to two cents, but I don't know if I'm going to get the rebates before the campaign period.

00:03:11 Andrii Zvorygin: But if I include the cost of the ink, it's closer to seven and a half cents.

00:03:16 Andrii Zvorygin: But anyway, so a lot less, and yeah, and my signs as well are very cost effective.

00:03:21 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, I'm really focused on being cost effective, and I think that's you know all through my life and having these businesses, you need them to be cost effective in order to have a profit,

00:03:31 Andrii Zvorygin: right?

00:03:32 Andrii Zvorygin: You need to live within your means, and that's something that I can bring to the city and help to get our property taxes in right now.

00:03:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, almost 30 million, 28 million dollars in debt.

00:03:46 Andrii Zvorygin: Most of it is related to the waterworks, and that is due to and most of that twelve million.

00:03:58 Andrii Zvorygin: I think seventeen million is the waterworks, and twelve million of that is two sewage pipe replacements.

00:04:06 Andrii Zvorygin: And we're looking at new sewage pipe replacements because of people pouring solvents into the sewage system.

00:04:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, and so and that affects all the rate payers.

00:04:20 Andrii Zvorygin: And but there are things that we can do.

00:04:22 Andrii Zvorygin: We can actually have much better transparency because it took a lot of investigating to find out why the rate charges went up.

00:04:32 Andrii Zvorygin: How much solvent would you have to dump in there?

00:04:34 SPEAKER_003: Like, who's like who's dumping it?

00:04:37 SPEAKER_003: We don't know, and that's the thing.

00:04:39 Andrii Zvorygin: We can find out by having detectors in the sewage pipe that will they will detect when there's high VOC or volatile organic compound, and then it takes a scoop or a sample,

00:04:52 Andrii Zvorygin: and then we can analyse that sample to find out what it was, and then find it farther upstream.

00:04:59 Andrii Zvorygin: For example, it could be things like mechanic shops dumping fuel, you know, fuel is a solvent, or it could be construction companies dumping paint thinner.

00:05:09 Andrii Zvorygin: We don't know.

00:05:10 Andrii Zvorygin: We can also inform high-risk businesses about this, and say that we're going to be sampling their sewer pipes to make sure they're not dumping solvents.

00:05:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Right, they're not going to want to hear that.

00:05:25 Andrii Zvorygin: I'll guarantee.

00:05:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, they might not want to hear it, but we can also tell them how to properly dispose of these things.

00:05:31 Andrii Zvorygin: Right, there are proper ways of disposing it, and we want to work with the people in Owen Sound and the businesses in Owen Sound.

00:05:37 Andrii Zvorygin: We like our mechanics.

00:05:38 Andrii Zvorygin: We want them to function, but we need to think about everybody.

00:05:42 Andrii Zvorygin: This sewage system is just not designed for fuel and oil and paint thinner.

00:05:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, no, I think like I'm not.

00:05:49 Andrii Zvorygin: I think you're right.

00:05:50 Andrii Zvorygin: I just think people won't want to hear that.

00:05:54 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, yeah, we have household hazardous waste days, and but that that's not for commercial waste.

00:06:03 Andrii Zvorygin: However, the main thing is that we have twenty-two thousand citizens, right?

00:06:08 Andrii Zvorygin: And how many businesses?

00:06:10 Andrii Zvorygin: How many mechanics?

00:06:11 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, maybe a dozen.

00:06:12 Andrii Zvorygin: But we want everybody to work together.

00:06:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, if possible, right?

00:06:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly.

00:06:20 Andrii Zvorygin: We we might not be able to do much about the existing costs, but we can help alleviate future costs by having everybody working together and it's like not dumping them down the drain,

00:06:32 Andrii Zvorygin: but going to the proper waste disposal.

00:06:36 Andrii Zvorygin: And if they spill something, to understand how to properly clean it up, so it doesn't end up in the sewer.

00:06:43 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, like with wood chips and stuff like that.

00:06:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:06:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:06:49 Andrii Zvorygin: So that's I would call that the subterranean menace.

00:06:54 Andrii Zvorygin: What about yeah?

00:06:56 SPEAKER_004: What about the above ground menace that everyone talks about but nobody does anything about, which is the druggies and the bums everywhere.

00:07:05 SPEAKER_004: What about that?

00:07:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:07:06 Andrii Zvorygin: So for that, it's important to understand that that population is sustained by continual influx of people becoming homeless.

00:07:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:07:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:07:17 Andrii Zvorygin: The homeless themselves, or especially the unsheltered people, have a very short life expectancy, and they they unfortunately die fairly regularly.

00:07:29 Andrii Zvorygin: For example, in Toronto they did a study, and the average age or median age of death for a homeless woman is thirty-six.

00:07:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Is 36.

00:07:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh wow, that's young.

00:07:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:07:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Whereas for housed women, it's 89.

00:07:44 Andrii Zvorygin: So that's they lose over 50 years of their life expectancy when they become homeless.

00:07:49 Andrii Zvorygin: That's insane.

00:07:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:07:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

00:07:52 Andrii Zvorygin: And for men, it's only slightly better at 50 instead of 79.

00:07:56 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, that's still 30 years off their life.

00:08:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

00:08:00 Andrii Zvorygin: And so we want to.

00:08:02 Andrii Zvorygin: The main focus is preventing the homelessness in terms of the short term, lowering the pressure on the downtown.

00:08:10 Andrii Zvorygin: From talking with people familiar with the homeless, most of them are living at the edges of town.

00:08:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, and they have to travel downtown in order to get the food.

00:08:23 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, you always see them carting those those free lunches around with them all the time, right?

00:08:28 SPEAKER_004: When they're all cracked out and stuff, people get mad about that, right?

00:08:32 SPEAKER_004: Because people get fed up.

00:08:32 SPEAKER_004: We get fed up.

00:08:34 Andrii Zvorygin: It's just the thing is that they resort to drugs because, basically, society has abandoned them into homelessness, and then they're trying to escape their situation, and eventually they will escape through some means.

00:08:50 Andrii Zvorygin: It may be yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:08:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Unfortunately, that is sometimes it.

00:08:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Sometimes it's recovery, but unfortunately, not always.

00:08:58 Andrii Zvorygin: I I talk to people who have had tragic, you know.

00:09:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Their siblings have died on the streets, you know, or their children, and it's it's very tragic.

00:09:09 Andrii Zvorygin: It's very personal, and you know we got to have compassion for these people.

00:09:13 Andrii Zvorygin: But the main thing is preventing the homelessness.

00:09:17 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, so anyways, in order, in terms of the food thing, before I get off sidetrack, we could have a van for Oshare to bring the meals to them,

00:09:28 Andrii Zvorygin: where they're living at the edges of town.

00:09:32 Andrii Zvorygin: And then they won't have to come downtown, and that will lower some of the pressure on the downtown.

00:09:38 SPEAKER_004: I mean, that fixes yeah that that fixes that particular problem.

00:09:42 SPEAKER_004: Yes, just that's how much like you know yeah that's that's just the immediate fix, and what it does is it helps.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_004: But people like those people like immediate fixes.

00:09:52 SPEAKER_004: They want to see something right now, right?

00:09:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly, and so that's the immediate fix, right?

00:09:58 Andrii Zvorygin: And then longer term.

00:09:59 Andrii Zvorygin: So phase two is vacant home tax.

00:10:04 Andrii Zvorygin: So vacant home tax, and also giving people the information they need to understand what's a legal rent increase and what isn't, and you know what resources they have to stay housed.

00:10:14 Andrii Zvorygin: And the vacant home tax, what that does is for people who own multiple properties and some of them are vacant, they would have to pay more for those vacant properties,

00:10:25 Andrii Zvorygin: which would motivate them to either rent them out or sell.

00:10:29 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, get them on the market in some form or fashion.

00:10:32 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I mean, I don't—I like, I hate tyranny and stuff, but like, I don't know.

00:10:36 SPEAKER_004: I mean, if it can help get rid of problems and just people got like you can't just sit on money like Scrooge McDuck, right?

00:10:43 SPEAKER_004: It's got to circulate, right?

00:10:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, we, yeah, I've knocked on a lot of empty homes, you know.

00:10:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, so what would you?

00:10:51 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, so then what's the rate then from your door-knocking perspective?

00:10:54 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, I haven't knocked on every door, so.

00:10:56 Andrii Zvorygin: I can't give you an assessment.

00:10:58 Andrii Zvorygin: But I know another candidate claims there are 500.

00:11:03 Andrii Zvorygin: That's quite a bit.

00:11:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and there's only like 10,000 households, and that includes units and apartments.

00:11:12 Andrii Zvorygin: So I don't know.

00:11:14 Andrii Zvorygin: There are roughly 11,000 now.

00:11:17 Andrii Zvorygin: All right. 11,000 households, and that includes units in apartment buildings.

00:11:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:11:26 Andrii Zvorygin: In terms of physical buildings, is it closer like six or seven thousand or something like that?

00:11:31 Andrii Zvorygin: It depends on how you count it, because there are also townhouses and you know that kind of stuff.

00:11:38 SPEAKER_004: Let me ask you this: when you do all of your door-knocking, what is the most unhinged solution that someone's offered you to fix the homeless drug problem?

00:11:50 SPEAKER_004: Like, what's the craziest thing somebody said?

00:11:52 Andrii Zvorygin: I guess that would be a few days ago.

00:11:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Someone even had me write it down.

00:11:58 Andrii Zvorygin: You're not gonna write this down?

00:12:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:01 Andrii Zvorygin: You're not writing this down.

00:12:03 Andrii Zvorygin: So, giving them a bus ticket to Vancouver.

00:12:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Hey, that's a good idea.

00:12:11 SPEAKER_005: Well, how much would it cost, honestly?

00:12:14 SPEAKER_005: Ah, like a thousand bucks.

00:12:17 SPEAKER_005: Yo, each.

00:12:18 SPEAKER_005: Yeah.

00:12:18 SPEAKER_005: Okay, fine.

00:12:20 SPEAKER_005: But what's like, what?

00:12:22 SPEAKER_006: It's to have to get the city back is priceless, right?

00:12:26 Andrii Zvorygin: It's just that most of these eighty to ninety percent of these people are from Owen Sound.

00:12:30 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, it's not they're locally local stock.

00:12:33 Andrii Zvorygin: They're local people who have simply become homeless.

00:12:37 Andrii Zvorygin: I have seen recently homeless people that so basically, when you're outside, you can kind of tell how recently they became homeless.

00:12:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:12:47 Andrii Zvorygin: If they have a lot of stuff, they probably recently were kicked out.

00:12:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:12:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, that makes sense.

00:12:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:12:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Because once you've been unsheltered for long enough time, your stuff gets stolen or confiscated.

00:13:01 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:13:02 SPEAKER_004: Or it's just a pain to carry it around, or what?

00:13:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:13:04 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, people that have very little stuff, they've probably been homeless for a while.

00:13:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, and then you know the people in, what do you call it, bending over?

00:13:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Those those those are in the final stages.

00:13:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:13:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:13:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I got it.

00:13:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:13:22 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I also we have to know that Oshare is serving a thousand meals a day.

00:13:31 Andrii Zvorygin: A thousand—that's a lot.

00:13:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Over a thousand.

00:13:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:13:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Over a thousand, and it's increasing regularly.

00:13:37 Andrii Zvorygin: Over three hundred forty families.

00:13:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Most of them are working families.

00:13:44 Andrii Zvorygin: That means that at least one of the members of the families working for an income, and they're able to afford rent and a vehicle, often to get to work,

00:13:56 Andrii Zvorygin: but they can't afford food at the same time, and so they have to go to OSHA.

00:14:01 Andrii Zvorygin: And this hundreds of families.

00:14:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Now, if the rent increases much more, obviously it's quite possible they'll end up homeless, or some member of their family will end up homeless, and that's where this pool is coming from.

00:14:13 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I have a solution, and that is affordable rural communities.

00:14:20 Andrii Zvorygin: So as mayor, I will be at the Grey County Council, and I already know most of the mayors, the deputy mayors, and the staff, and I know how things work over there.

00:14:29 Andrii Zvorygin: So my proposal should be quite compatible.

00:14:33 Andrii Zvorygin: And the idea is to motion that we allow affordable rural communities.

00:14:37 Andrii Zvorygin: And I've done the costing, and it would end up costing about for a family to get a warm home, like a two-bedroom size, and five acres, it would cost seven hundred fifty a month.

00:14:49 Andrii Zvorygin: And so they they would own their home, and so I did made.

00:14:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Right now, one of the main problems is construction cost.

00:15:02 Andrii Zvorygin: The construction cost of conventional dwellings is far beyond what people can.

00:15:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Are we is this tiny homes?

00:15:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Is that what we're saying?

00:15:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Or so it's not quite tiny homes.

00:15:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Uh, so tiny homes would be smaller.

00:15:14 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm talking about 66 square metres, whereas tiny homes are like usually 30 square metres.

00:15:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, like half the size.

00:15:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Like modular homes, then.

00:15:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Like no, no, no. Modular homes.

00:15:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Modular homes are also more expensive.

00:15:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Here, you know what?

00:15:27 Andrii Zvorygin: I actually have.

00:15:28 Andrii Zvorygin: I can share my screen.

00:15:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh sure, yeah.

00:15:31 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, and then it will be easier to explain.

00:15:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Share.

00:15:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh great.

00:15:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:15:42 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know if you can see that.

00:15:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:15:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:15:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:15:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Affordable rural communities.

00:15:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:15:47 Andrii Zvorygin: So here we can see at a glance cost comparison.

00:15:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:15:52 Andrii Zvorygin: So conventional detached equivalent would cost a hundred thousand.

00:16:00 Andrii Zvorygin: So this is for sixty-five point six metre square, which is seven hundred square feet, basically.

00:16:06 Andrii Zvorygin: So to construct it would cost like a roughly one hundred fifty.

00:16:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, an apartment condominium would cost two to three hundred thousand.

00:16:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Let's just um, yeah, we can uh, like I can share this with the group or whatever.

00:16:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, sure, sure.

00:16:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, it's super interesting.

00:16:21 SPEAKER_004: But like, just all in all, like, who like, where's the land coming from?

00:16:27 SPEAKER_004: Like, how?

00:16:27 Andrii Zvorygin: So, it's in Grey County.

00:16:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, you know that includes Georgian Bluffs, where you are, and so the idea is that you could have, um.

00:16:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, I had the detailed costing here, anyways, somewhere, a calculator for it.

00:16:45 Andrii Zvorygin: But twelve families, or twenty-four adults, can get together and buy a twenty-hectare lot, and then it works out to be about two hundred and seventy-five dollars a month lease per family,

00:17:03 SPEAKER_004: and that's how you have it.

00:17:05 SPEAKER_004: So when yeah, you know, and there's a lot of land for sale right now, so you know, the timing might be pretty impeccable.

00:17:12 SPEAKER_004: Like because before this would have been hopeless, right?

00:17:15 SPEAKER_004: But now stuff's getting cheaper, it seems.

00:17:18 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and it's basically how it works.

00:17:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Is you can't have a sprawl; that they won't accept that at the county.

00:17:31 Andrii Zvorygin: What they will accept is that you have a laneway, and then you build all your houses around the laneway.

00:17:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, yeah, that sounds reasonable.

00:17:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:17:42 Andrii Zvorygin: So within like a hectare, so each kind of yurt has its based that the affordable home, I made it based on a yurt because that's easily costable, and once you add full insulation.

00:17:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

00:17:59 Andrii Zvorygin: So I have a a breakdown on here somewhere.

00:18:03 SPEAKER_004: So it's like miniature subdivisions, then with a main road, and then acts.

00:18:07 SPEAKER_004: Everybody has.

00:18:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, it's got a laneway, exactly a shared laneway, and then everyone's got their own little lot, 250 square metres, and then you have your warm home, and it's got integrated solar, electric,

00:18:23 Andrii Zvorygin: and rainwater compost toilet.

00:18:26 Andrii Zvorygin: So you have you don't have to pay utilities, and you don't have to hook up to utilities, which saves you a lot of money.

00:18:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Because hooking up to utilities costs forty to sixty thousand dollars, just just right there, and that it's all about making it affordable within what the incomes of people in Owen Sound can afford.

00:18:52 Andrii Zvorygin: And because you have a community, you also have the opportunity to share in something.

00:18:58 Andrii Zvorygin: So you can also have a one part of it as a common area.

00:18:59 Andrii Zvorygin: One part of it is a common area, and that could have a barn, or say if you bought a property that was a farm, it has an existing farmhouse.

00:19:09 Andrii Zvorygin: You could have like a big kitchen there, a gathering space, and like not everybody has to go to get groceries.

00:19:17 Andrii Zvorygin: You could just have one person go get groceries for the whole community if you wanted to.

00:19:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:19:23 SPEAKER_004: But but you could also each have your own car.

00:19:24 SPEAKER_004: So the first thing you have to do is buy land, right, or lease.

00:19:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Like so. right so so the permission so at the county level we're not buying anyone buying land for anybody we're just allowing them to have these kinds of communities oh so you're opening it up

00:19:43 SPEAKER_004: to the owner that he could do this for a lease okay I see oh so make it useful if it's just sitting there okay right because yeah it could make things a little vibrant in

00:19:53 Andrii Zvorygin: places where it's like stagnant right right exactly because in a lot of places. what's happening is,

00:20:03 Andrii Zvorygin: for example, you have a farmer, and they have their farm, and they want their kids to live there too, but it's very difficult to get permission to add additional units.

00:20:16 Andrii Zvorygin: We have very very complicated rules for that, and so with this, you have not only making it. based on carrying capacity, right?

00:20:29 Andrii Zvorygin: So, so each person, each adult, would need a hectare or two and a half acres, and that's to make sure that they can grow their own food and firewood.

00:20:38 Andrii Zvorygin: That makes it sustainable.

00:20:39 Andrii Zvorygin: And as long as you have enough land, you can add additional units.

00:20:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Does that make sense?

00:20:46 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:48 SPEAKER_004: No, this this is one of those things, though, right?

00:20:53 SPEAKER_004: So, this is the opposite of a quick fix.

00:20:56 SPEAKER_004: But it if it is doable, then yeah, why not, right?

00:21:00 SPEAKER_004: I mean, I'm sure people will like it.

00:21:03 SPEAKER_004: I'm sure.

00:21:04 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and actually, it can be fairly quick in terms of at least it takes three days to set up a yurt.

00:21:12 SPEAKER_004: Oh right, yeah okay, and like those are approved by zoning and all of that, like.

00:21:16 Andrii Zvorygin: So, the type of affordable house that I have is based on a yurt, but it has the additional insulation that makes it up to building code, and amazingly enough for heating.

00:21:30 Andrii Zvorygin: So you're heating actually with wood that's grown on site.

00:21:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh wow!

00:21:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:21:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:21:37 SPEAKER_004: Interesting.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:21:38 SPEAKER_004: So you'd have to have a wood harvesting operation, I guess.

00:21:40 SPEAKER_004: Then.

00:21:41 SPEAKER_004: Well, you you have a a wood coppice.

00:21:44 SPEAKER_004: Oh what?

00:21:46 SPEAKER_004: A wood coppice.

00:21:47 SPEAKER_004: Are you familiar?

00:21:47 Andrii Zvorygin: So, a coppice is where you have part of your field will be growing, say willows or poplar, fast-growing wood, and then every once they're three to five years old,

00:22:03 Andrii Zvorygin: then pretty much every year you can harvest some, and then dry it, and you could use it as firewood.

00:22:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:22:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Here I have the yeah, I can share this again.

00:22:18 Andrii Zvorygin: And then okay, so let's just. we'll put a lid on that.

00:22:23 SPEAKER_004: What about because like so a lot of people will notice like the only businesses that that show up here are American franchises staffed by Indian workers, right?

00:22:35 SPEAKER_004: Okay, that is incentivized, but so that's that's way beyond a local issue, right?

00:22:41 SPEAKER_004: But how do you like make it so that like there could be something more vibrant and local?

00:22:45 SPEAKER_007: Like how do you even do that when incentives to do just that?

00:22:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, that's a great question, and that dives right into my participation plan and import replacement and local production.

00:22:59 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, there's multiple layers to it.

00:23:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Part of it is keeping public spending local, and that.

00:23:08 Andrii Zvorygin: So, as mayor, I'll be responsible for the budget, and I want to make that transparent, so that people know what kind of things we're buying, so that local businesses could meet those needs.

00:23:18 Andrii Zvorygin: That's what local purchasing is.

00:23:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, good.

00:23:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:23:20 Andrii Zvorygin: So you've thought of this then?

00:23:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:23:21 Andrii Zvorygin: This is like yeah.

00:23:22 Andrii Zvorygin: So municipal procurement also has workforce development.

00:23:26 Andrii Zvorygin: So if we need expertise, or we know we're going to need expertise, then we can investigate if it's cheaper to import someone, or to train someone locally who has most of the skills already,

00:23:41 Andrii Zvorygin: but just needs a few more courses so that they can be competent in this skill.

00:23:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:23:46 Andrii Zvorygin: So make an investment instead of like getting a contractor in or whatever.

00:23:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly.

00:23:50 Andrii Zvorygin: From some faraway place that we have to pay them exorbitant fees to move.

00:23:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:23:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:23:56 Andrii Zvorygin: It's often cheaper to hire locally, especially if we're... and then there's more loyalty too.

00:24:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

00:24:06 Andrii Zvorygin: And then also with import replacement, with affordable rural communities, it dovetails into it because people now have land where they can produce food locally, and we can process that food locally,

00:24:21 Andrii Zvorygin: and that means you know having local food processing, local food distribution, and that can help lower our food prices.

00:24:27 Andrii Zvorygin: And then if you're processing food, then you also need the machinery for it, and so then you need mechanics and engineers and things like that.

00:24:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Like a lot of it, we could make at the Great Bruce Maker Space or maintain, or and then we could train the people at the Sydenham campus and things like that.

00:24:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:24:47 SPEAKER_004: No, sounds good.

00:24:48 SPEAKER_004: So, who do you think, like, besides yourself, is... do you think is the one who would come in second after you win?

00:24:57 SPEAKER_004: Well, probably Carol Martin.

00:24:59 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, I can't stand her or anyone like her, so I'd really like to help you.

00:25:05 SPEAKER_004: Well, thank you.

00:25:07 SPEAKER_004: You know, I haven't actually met anyone willing to talk.

00:25:10 Andrii Zvorygin: One willing to talk to me who said they would vote for her.

00:25:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh yeah, they won't talk to you because what?

00:25:16 SPEAKER_004: What and what do they say about you that you're a Christian nut job or like what?

00:25:20 SPEAKER_004: What is it?

00:25:20 SPEAKER_004: I don't know.

00:25:21 SPEAKER_004: No one, no one ever said anything like that to my face.

00:25:24 SPEAKER_004: Right, but you know what they say on Reddit and stuff, right?

00:25:27 Andrii Zvorygin: So well, I've seen... you know what they've said on Reddit isn't very specific actually, and like I know there was a guy who said you know I'm the only sane choice for mayor,

00:25:40 Andrii Zvorygin: and that he's got his vote.

00:25:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Good, good.

00:25:43 Andrii Zvorygin: I like that.

00:25:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, you know.

00:25:45 Andrii Zvorygin: And but this was kind of like one of the worst comments that I got on Reddit.

00:25:54 SPEAKER_008: So so it's kind of like yeah.

00:25:56 SPEAKER_008: Wait, what was the worst?

00:25:57 SPEAKER_004: Because he said that the other one was good.

00:25:59 SPEAKER_004: It sounded like an endorsement.

00:26:00 SPEAKER_004: What was the worst one?

00:26:01 Andrii Zvorygin: That was it.

00:26:03 Andrii Zvorygin: That was oh, that was the worst.

00:26:04 Andrii Zvorygin: So oh, that's well... well, he was.

00:26:06 Andrii Zvorygin: It was supposed to be like a satirical post or something, but oh, I see.

00:26:11 Andrii Zvorygin: So he was saying you're a nut job, but like okay.

00:26:14 Andrii Zvorygin: But he was saying I'm the only thing.

00:26:17 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, but the words he actually said were that he's endorsing me.

00:26:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, so that's good then.

00:26:23 Andrii Zvorygin: He didn't actually say anything bad.

00:26:25 Andrii Zvorygin: That's what I mean.

00:26:26 Andrii Zvorygin: So I haven't really seen anyone say anything specifically bad because, well, maybe there's not much to say in that regard.

00:26:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, I don't.

00:26:37 Andrii Zvorygin: I know the other thing.

00:26:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Sometimes people claim that I oh don't have the... oh what do you call it?

00:26:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, the experience.

00:26:51 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I actually wrote an article about that.

00:26:57 Andrii Zvorygin: It was called basically what it actually takes to be mayor.

00:27:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, where there read more about Andrei's experiences, and so because a lot of people don't realize that just having been at city council doesn't actually prepare you for the full role of mayor.

00:27:21 Andrii Zvorygin: The full role of mayor actually is three times more stuff than just being a councillor, uh, because at you have to also sit at the Grey County Council,

00:27:36 Andrii Zvorygin: and so that's why usually there's a deputy mayor, and the deputy mayor they have the council job and they sit at the Grey County Council, and so they're familiar with that.

00:27:45 Andrii Zvorygin: And I'm familiar with the Grey County Council because I spent four years there, and know all the people.

00:27:50 Andrii Zvorygin: But none of the other competitors for mayor have any experience at the Grey County.

00:27:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Zero, absolutely zero, as far as I know.

00:27:59 Andrii Zvorygin: I haven't seen them there.

00:28:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Whereas the mayors know me by name, and then Mayor You, and then the third aspect is mayoral leadership and administration.

00:28:11 Andrii Zvorygin: So, chairing council, proposing the city budget, setting financial direction, issuing lawful written directions to staff, deciding how powers concerning the city manager, organizational structure.

00:28:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Like this is basically what you do in a business.

00:28:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, these are all business skills, and I have my own business, two businesses, two profitable businesses.

00:28:34 Andrii Zvorygin: So I have that experience.

00:28:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Good.

00:28:36 Andrii Zvorygin: And having been, you know, being the treasurer on the Great Bruce Maker Space, I know what it's like when you know I set the budget there,

00:28:46 Andrii Zvorygin: and then sometimes they're not happy with it and they want to go in a different direction.

00:28:50 Andrii Zvorygin: And that's you know I have to be okay with that.

00:28:52 Andrii Zvorygin: And we like, and I am, and I accommodate that.

00:28:56 Andrii Zvorygin: And that's exactly what it's going to be like at City Hall.

00:28:58 Andrii Zvorygin: And you guys at the... how do you... how does where does your money come from?

00:29:03 Andrii Zvorygin: It's not taxes, is it?

00:29:04 Andrii Zvorygin: The makerspace.

00:29:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah.

00:29:06 Andrii Zvorygin: No, we have to.

00:29:07 Andrii Zvorygin: It's a nonprofit.

00:29:08 Andrii Zvorygin: We basically have to make all our own money.

00:29:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:29:12 Andrii Zvorygin: We're getting like one of the directors is giving us donations to help us stay afloat.

00:29:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:29:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Because we are like the staff member, the one staff member is getting paid more than we could afford,

00:29:30 Andrii Zvorygin: and so when I talked about you know possibly reducing... are you guys trying to make things that you can sell to like get some revenue or how does that?

00:29:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, no, that's basically there's different things.

00:29:43 Andrii Zvorygin: So right now we're looking at different revenue increases.

00:29:48 Andrii Zvorygin: And it's one like 3D printing and stuff like that.

00:29:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Is it 3D printing stuff?

00:29:52 Andrii Zvorygin: 3D printing, CNC machines.

00:29:54 Andrii Zvorygin: We've got all kinds of woodworking equipment like jointers and cleaners, like dude, I have a business that serves like twenty to twenty-five thousand customers a year.

00:30:03 SPEAKER_004: If you can mass produce like a souvenir, I can sell like a shit ton of those.

00:30:07 SPEAKER_004: A souvenir, yeah.

00:30:07 SPEAKER_004: You know, we can, yeah.

00:30:10 SPEAKER_004: Any, if you have an idea, like what do you want it to look like, we can make it.

00:30:15 SPEAKER_004: Just a little ice cream keychain, you know, something like just a souvenir, right?

00:30:19 SPEAKER_004: We just like you just put them on a rack, right?

00:30:21 SPEAKER_004: People grab them.

00:30:22 SPEAKER_004: You charge, you know, ten dollars nowadays, right?

00:30:24 SPEAKER_004: As peanuts, right?

00:30:24 SPEAKER_004: Days right is peanuts, right?

00:30:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:28 Andrii Zvorygin: So yeah, I think yeah, the main thing would be like... and we have designers.

00:30:33 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure we would be happy to cooperate with you in that regard, yeah.

00:30:39 SPEAKER_004: If you keychain well, that's a win-win, right?

00:30:41 SPEAKER_004: Because then you make money, you put the factory to work, I make money, and then the souvenirs advertise my business so it's like a win, yeah, yeah.

00:30:50 SPEAKER_004: If the souvenirs... yeah, if you have an idea for what the souvenirs are going to look like.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_004: For what the souvenir is going to look like, you know, send it in and we can do it.

00:30:56 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, cool.

00:30:57 SPEAKER_004: No, that's good.

00:30:58 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, because that's like the ultimate, right?

00:31:00 SPEAKER_004: That's what we're trying to do is get like some production happening, you know, and sound like it used to be when we used to make anchors and boats and all of that.

00:31:09 SPEAKER_004: Right, exactly.

00:31:10 SPEAKER_004: And that's what this is.

00:31:11 Andrii Zvorygin: And I'm hoping that once we balance the budget, we'll be able to get more things like a plastic injection molder, a plastic injection molder will allow us to make high quality repetitive parts,

00:31:26 Andrii Zvorygin: like those keychains.

00:31:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Because right now we would have to 3D print those keychains or CNC mill them.

00:31:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:31:33 Andrii Zvorygin: So we could make them out of metal, or we could...

00:31:35 Andrii Zvorygin: But it would be metal, so you could make some fat, like some pretty fancy.

00:31:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah.

00:31:40 Andrii Zvorygin: We could make bolts and screws of any.

00:31:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh wow!

00:31:43 Andrii Zvorygin: So you could make parts for machines and stuff.

00:31:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes.

00:31:46 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes.

00:31:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Wow.

00:31:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:31:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Some people have even made car parts out of what?

00:31:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Like out of what?

00:31:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Stainless steel or?

00:31:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I definitely we can do aluminum.

00:31:56 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm not...

00:31:57 Andrii Zvorygin: We might be able to do stainless as well.

00:32:00 Andrii Zvorygin: But I haven't worked the milling machine myself.

00:32:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:32:05 Andrii Zvorygin: But yeah, we can use a variety of metals materials.

00:32:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Interesting.

00:32:09 Andrii Zvorygin: That's really cool.

00:32:12 Andrii Zvorygin: The main thing is basically that the bit has to be harder than the material.

00:32:19 Andrii Zvorygin: So we have very high powered, and so you, you, if you have like a diamond bit or, I'm not exactly sure what the technical terminology for it, but if you have the proper bit,

00:32:29 Andrii Zvorygin: you can do it.

00:32:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, it has enough power for sure.

00:32:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Cool, and we have CNC lathes as well, and so they can make circular things.

00:32:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Interesting.

00:32:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I'll have to come.

00:32:41 Andrii Zvorygin: I always...

00:32:42 Andrii Zvorygin: I see posts about it and stuff.

00:32:44 Andrii Zvorygin: I've just never made it in there.

00:32:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Where um, where about is it?

00:32:46 Andrii Zvorygin: So it's at the Sydenham campus at one three eight zero Eighth Street.

00:32:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Georgian College, though.

00:32:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Georgian College.

00:32:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:32:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, this is nearby, I think.

00:32:57 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:32:57 Andrii Zvorygin: The Siddenham campus, kind of like if you're coming out of the valley and then you go up Eighth Street, then it's the first large campus.

00:33:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:33:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:33:07 Andrii Zvorygin: And it should say GBM in big letters.

00:33:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:33:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Where the actual makerspace wing is.

00:33:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Nice.

00:33:15 Andrii Zvorygin: That's cool.

00:33:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Have you?

00:33:16 SPEAKER_004: So, I have a personal foe.

00:33:19 SPEAKER_004: You might have heard of her.

00:33:21 SPEAKER_004: Her name is Tamara.

00:33:22 SPEAKER_004: Tamara Sargent.

00:33:23 SPEAKER_004: Oh yes, yes, I know her.

00:33:25 SPEAKER_004: Well, I mean, I talked to her once briefly.

00:33:29 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:33:29 SPEAKER_004: And I've seen her many times.

00:33:31 SPEAKER_004: How did the conversation go?

00:33:33 Andrii Zvorygin: It was brief.

00:33:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I started talking about my platform and the transparency and the participation.

00:33:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:33:43 Andrii Zvorygin: She seemed okay with transparency, but at the participation, she broke me off, and she said she doesn't, she's not interested in geographic representation, like, or like she's not interested in an award system,

00:33:57 Andrii Zvorygin: or she disagrees with it.

00:33:59 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know if she still feels that way, but she hasn't been willing to talk to me since, so I don't know.

00:34:05 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, what do you think her beef is?

00:34:07 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

00:34:08 Andrii Zvorygin: I have no idea what that is.

00:34:09 Andrii Zvorygin: So you have to help me.

00:34:10 Andrii Zvorygin: So okay, there is a common argument that I have encountered,

00:34:15 Andrii Zvorygin: and that is people don't want an electoral ward system because that would mean we have twenty-one thousand people and it would break it into seven sections and then we would elect people from one of

00:34:30 Andrii Zvorygin: these seven regions.

00:34:32 Andrii Zvorygin: That's an electoral ward, and people say that we don't have enough talented people in Owen Sound to justify something like that.

00:34:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Could be wrong.

00:34:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I don't know.

00:34:43 Andrii Zvorygin: That's that's that's the argument, and they also another argument is that they claim that it could be divisive.

00:34:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, right, I see.

00:34:56 Andrii Zvorygin: And so instead, I heard that they're divisive already, so they don't care about that, right?

00:35:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Like, I mean, really?

00:35:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I changed it to geographic wards, so everyone is still elected at large.

00:35:10 Andrii Zvorygin: It's still the whole city electing the councillors.

00:35:13 Andrii Zvorygin: But after the election, each one of them, instead of just having their only responsibility is showing up to a city council meeting, they're also responsible for one of the seven regions of Owen Sound.

00:35:27 Andrii Zvorygin: And that way, if someone has a problem in one of the regions, they have a councillor that they have to call, and it's their job to care.

00:35:34 Andrii Zvorygin: So it sounds more like Toronto than like where you call Rob Ford and he comes and shovels your driveway or whatever.

00:35:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Uh, well, I don't, I don't know.

00:35:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, Rob Ford died or Doug Ford or whatever.

00:35:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Doug Ford, but Doug Ford runs is actually the premier.

00:35:51 Andrii Zvorygin: No, I know, I know.

00:35:53 Andrii Zvorygin: I voted for him.

00:35:53 SPEAKER_004: That's the last time I'm voting for anybody, but I did vote for Doug.

00:35:57 SPEAKER_004: Oh, I see.

00:35:58 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:35:59 SPEAKER_004: Uh, well, anyway, he was funny and like we would have local representatives doing the grunt work, so to speak, in terms of shoveling the driveways.

00:36:13 Andrii Zvorygin: So each region, each of one of the seven regions, would have ten up to ten local representatives.

00:36:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Here, I'll see if I guess that would be under transparency, or it'd be help us the CA slash wards here, and then I can show you the map because I think that will help.

00:36:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Let's see it.

00:36:38 Andrii Zvorygin: There it is.

00:36:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:36:41 Andrii Zvorygin: So these are the.

00:36:42 Andrii Zvorygin: All right.

00:36:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, this is good.

00:36:44 Andrii Zvorygin: I like this.

00:36:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:36:46 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, see, this over here is Brook or Northwest.

00:36:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Yep.

00:36:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, and I was talking to some people over here, and they're really upset about the traffic that's coming in here.

00:36:57 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I was saying, we can put up the going up north, like leaving town.

00:37:02 Andrii Zvorygin: No, no, going into town.

00:37:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay.

00:37:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Watch your speed signs, you know, and then have a crosswalk over here because a lot of people are trying to go to the beach, like children and stuff.

00:37:13 Andrii Zvorygin: And anyway, so so the local representative, and I got a guy who volunteered to be local representative, and so the councillor would be responsible for this whole northwest region.

00:37:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and this would be broken instead of into three parts.

00:37:31 Andrii Zvorygin: It would be broken into like say ten parts.

00:37:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:37:33 Andrii Zvorygin: No, and I like this because like before, like you have Mayor Ian, right?

00:37:36 Andrii Zvorygin: And I like he's a loser, right?

00:37:38 SPEAKER_004: Sleepy Ian, I call him.

00:37:39 SPEAKER_004: He doesn't give a shit about any of this, right?

00:37:42 SPEAKER_004: He doesn't care.

00:37:43 SPEAKER_004: He doesn't even know there's a crosswalk there if there isn't.

00:37:46 SPEAKER_004: Oh, there isn't one.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, exactly.

00:37:47 SPEAKER_004: And people want it.

00:37:49 SPEAKER_004: And yeah, I want to be nice to everybody, but but I do believe that Ian has.

00:37:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, he's he he doesn't want to run again.

00:37:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, it's too late for that, anyways.

00:38:00 Andrii Zvorygin: And he's been.

00:38:03 SPEAKER_004: I always said he was getting knocked out on tranquilizers at the council meeting, and that way, that's why everything's so fucked up.

00:38:09 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know about his personal story back there, but but I do know that he's been delegating absolutely every responsibility that he can, and doing as little as possible as mayor.

00:38:20 Andrii Zvorygin: He's like he reminds me of Tim Cook.

00:38:23 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't think he does very much.

00:38:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I'm not familiar, but but yeah, this is the basic idea.

00:38:29 Andrii Zvorygin: So.

00:38:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Each one of these would have a geographic councillor, and then within it, it would be subdivided into local representatives, and they could help organise things like neighbourhood watches.

00:38:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Like around here, a lot of people are concerned about the shelter that's coming up, and so they would like to have a neighbourhood watch.

00:38:49 Andrii Zvorygin: And the local representative could also be trained in de-escalation and what to do, like how to administer Narcan, and those kinds of things.

00:38:59 Andrii Zvorygin: I wouldn't want that job.

00:39:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Did you volunteer for that ward yet?

00:39:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:39:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, it's just they would just have the training.

00:39:09 Andrii Zvorygin: They don't have to do it.

00:39:11 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure somebody would.

00:39:12 Andrii Zvorygin: You know.

00:39:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:39:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly.

00:39:13 Andrii Zvorygin: And then so so related to that, um, to save on policing costs because policing costs are one of the largest costs in the city,

00:39:23 Andrii Zvorygin: and people are also unsatisfied and they're saying that the police aren't doing enough.

00:39:27 Andrii Zvorygin: But you know they're already stretched very thin.

00:39:29 Andrii Zvorygin: However, part of the problem is that they're going out to a bunch of calls that they don't feel they need to be on, like two thousand mental health calls or something like that.

00:39:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, right.

00:39:40 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, how many?

00:39:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Two thousand?

00:39:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Two thousand?

00:39:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:39:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh my god, that's a lot.

00:39:45 Andrii Zvorygin: And sometimes on these mental health calls, they end up standing in the hospital for five to ten hours.

00:39:50 Andrii Zvorygin: The cop does, yeah, because they have to like get the paperwork done or whatever, right?

00:39:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and so they don't need to be there.

00:39:56 Andrii Zvorygin: It's wasting our time.

00:39:58 Andrii Zvorygin: They could be finding, you know, the drug dealers.

00:40:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Drug dealer, yeah.

00:40:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, start kicking in some doors.

00:40:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I don't.

00:40:05 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know whatever their legitimate cop business is.

00:40:09 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, the reason they actually signed up.

00:40:13 Andrii Zvorygin: And so we would have three levels of response because we actually own the dispatch centre.

00:40:18 Andrii Zvorygin: When you call 9-1-1, it goes to a call centre.

00:40:21 Andrii Zvorygin: No one's sent.

00:40:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh.

00:40:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Does it not do that now?

00:40:25 Andrii Zvorygin: It does.

00:40:27 Andrii Zvorygin: It does that now.

00:40:27 Andrii Zvorygin: But it's just currently they everybody goes like the fire department goes and the police attend.

00:40:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, that's not efficient.

00:40:36 Andrii Zvorygin: It's not efficient.

00:40:37 Andrii Zvorygin: So instead, we're going to have three different layers of response.

00:40:41 Andrii Zvorygin: If it's a civic issue, like the firemen will be pissed though.

00:40:45 Andrii Zvorygin: They love going on calls sometimes to get out of the bunker or whatever.

00:40:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, well.

00:40:52 Andrii Zvorygin: It's uh, that's you know I've talked to some experts in terms of how to save taxes,

00:40:59 Andrii Zvorygin: and they're saying that part of the reason that our taxes are so high is that the firemen are saying, yeah, oh, we have all these legitimate reasons for us,

00:41:09 Andrii Zvorygin: so many of us here because we're going on all these calls.

00:41:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, no fair.

00:41:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I mean they would know, right?

00:41:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, they have the numbers.

00:41:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, exactly.

00:41:17 Andrii Zvorygin: It's just that we don't need them for everything.

00:41:19 Andrii Zvorygin: If someone poops.

00:41:20 Andrii Zvorygin: If someone pooped on your lawn, you know you don't.

00:41:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, the fire department doesn't need to be there.

00:41:28 Andrii Zvorygin: That's a civic issue.

00:41:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:41:30 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, and so you could get the local representative would come by and help sort things out.

00:41:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, like whose dog it was or whatever.

00:41:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:41:40 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, do we need to have more signs?

00:41:42 Andrii Zvorygin: That kind of stuff.

00:41:43 Andrii Zvorygin: That's a civic response.

00:41:44 Andrii Zvorygin: And then if it's like someone that you know collapsed on the floor.

00:41:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Or, uh, well, then that would be the ambulance.

00:41:51 Andrii Zvorygin: But if it's someone who we're not sure about, you know, then it could be a crisis response unit.

00:41:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Someone who, uh, say knows how to do the Narcan and de-escalation and stuff to help this homeless person get the what they need in order to, uh, you know, have a better life.

00:42:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Uh, and and only you know the like so so the police would be a kind of a last resort for if there's actual violence.

00:42:18 Andrii Zvorygin: You know things like that, and then they can spend much more time doing investigations to help resolve, you know, clean up the streets, clean up downtown stuff.

00:42:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

00:42:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly.

00:42:31 Andrii Zvorygin: And and we can have you know like right now the police, a lot of them, what they do, what they're doing now is they're just talking to the people at Safe and Sound a lot,

00:42:42 Andrii Zvorygin: and I mean sometimes it's legitimate, like if someone.

00:42:46 Andrii Zvorygin: is, you know, using drugs in public and stuff like that, but we might be able to do some of that at least with the either the crisis response units or a neighbourhood watch,

00:42:57 Andrii Zvorygin: like a patrol.

00:42:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Another thing that I found that is a very cheap way of reducing crime is having signs, like surveillance signs with a large eye on them.

00:43:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh yeah, sure.

00:43:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, symbols.

00:43:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Right, symbols are powerful.

00:43:13 Andrii Zvorygin: So apparently it reduces and increases pro-social behaviour by like sixteen percent or cost nothing.

00:43:21 Andrii Zvorygin: It costs very little, very little, and we could make our own at the maker space.

00:43:26 Andrii Zvorygin: We have a 3D printer.

00:43:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, you just got to be smart about these things and take initiative and not wait for somebody else to do it or like do the procurement or whatever.

00:43:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Just make the stuff.

00:43:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:43:35 Andrii Zvorygin: We have laser engravers.

00:43:38 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, we can get aluminum.

00:43:40 Andrii Zvorygin: What do you call it?

00:43:43 Andrii Zvorygin: The stuff they put on roofs, yeah, flashing, flashing, flashing.

00:43:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, you know, and it's already got paint.

00:43:51 Andrii Zvorygin: And then what the engraving does is it takes off the paint, and then you could have this.

00:43:55 Andrii Zvorygin: There you go.

00:43:56 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, under surveillance at all times.

00:43:58 SPEAKER_004: You know, there you go.

00:44:00 SPEAKER_004: And then you could even have a sticker that says this sign only costed X instead of Y. Yeah, exactly.

00:44:07 SPEAKER_004: Only costed us a dollar instead of a hundred and fifty.

00:44:10 SPEAKER_004: Get up a hundred and fifty dollars exactly, and if you need spare parts, right, give us a call, and then you're growing the business, keeping everybody safe.

00:44:20 SPEAKER_004: That's a triple win, right?

00:44:22 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, let's go.

00:44:25 SPEAKER_004: Let's go.

00:44:26 SPEAKER_004: No, you were.

00:44:28 SPEAKER_004: We vetted you on Twitter, and we have a very, very thorough vetting process, and practically all everyone was happy, I think, with what they saw.

00:44:40 SPEAKER_004: Awesome.

00:44:40 SPEAKER_004: In terms of a candidate, so we were, yeah, we're all looking forward to this.

00:44:45 SPEAKER_004: And no, that's awesome.

00:44:50 SPEAKER_004: Did you have any more questions or questions from your group?

00:44:57 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, the people on Twitter like action.

00:44:59 SPEAKER_004: They want drama.

00:45:00 SPEAKER_004: They want fights.

00:45:01 SPEAKER_004: They want this, right?

00:45:02 SPEAKER_004: But someone was saying Rob Ford was the man that shoveled the driveways.

00:45:07 SPEAKER_004: Doug would just flip you off and drive by.

00:45:10 SPEAKER_004: Oh, I see.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_004: Okay, I see.

00:45:11 SPEAKER_004: Okay, fair enough.

00:45:15 SPEAKER_004: No, we.

00:45:17 SPEAKER_004: So, like, I don't know.

00:45:19 SPEAKER_004: Do you do much on Twitter?

00:45:20 SPEAKER_004: Like, do you?

00:45:21 SPEAKER_004: I see you're very active with posts, and we liked your posts, and I shared a few of your posts with my little crew, and we like it.

00:45:29 SPEAKER_004: So, I don't know.

00:45:30 SPEAKER_004: Do you engage on there a lot or not much?

00:45:33 Andrii Zvorygin: At least recently, basically last November, I got shadow-banned.

00:45:37 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, big time.

00:45:39 Andrii Zvorygin: And so since then, I haven't had much activity.

00:45:43 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't get like my feed is almost exclusively stuff about the U.S. and people that like the U.S. and people that like Israel or they hate Israel.

00:45:55 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and so you got to focus on Owen Sound.

00:45:58 SPEAKER_004: Exactly involved in this shit, right?

00:46:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Even as tempting as it is sometimes, but yeah, exactly.

00:46:02 Andrii Zvorygin: So, so I generally, you know, it's.

00:46:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Uh, it's kind of I try to not do too much there.

00:46:08 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, no, that's fair.

00:46:09 SPEAKER_004: And I wasn't gonna like throw you any curveballs because I know you're working for Owen Sound, right?

00:46:14 Andrii Zvorygin: And that's exactly so.

00:46:15 Andrii Zvorygin: So that's why usually you know like Reddit and the Facebook Owen Sound communities uh is kind of my go-to to try to and Nextdoor.

00:46:25 Andrii Zvorygin: So those are my three communities.

00:46:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Nextdoor, what's that app about the neighbourhoods and stuff?

00:46:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Yes, yes.

00:46:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Here, um, so Nextdoor, over here.

00:46:36 Andrii Zvorygin: You see, I have.

00:46:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, this is what it looks like.

00:46:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Nextdoor.com.

00:46:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, so the Sun Times is on there.

00:46:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, the Sun Times is on there, and then I'm on there, and I've talked to several people who say they read my posts on here.

00:46:52 Andrii Zvorygin: So.

00:46:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay.

00:46:53 Andrii Zvorygin: I'll make an account.

00:46:55 Andrii Zvorygin: We'll do a hostile takeover.

00:46:57 Andrii Zvorygin: There's not a whole lot of people, and so it does get some traction.

00:47:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay, good.

00:47:05 Andrii Zvorygin: No, that's cool.

00:47:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Even though I get more comments on both Reddit and on Facebook, but yeah, Facebook is.

00:47:14 Andrii Zvorygin: I try to focus on groups where I know that it's actual Owen Sound residents that are responding, because often if you say like you have a Facebook business page and then you boost it,

00:47:26 Andrii Zvorygin: you're really boosting it to people who are outside the region.

00:47:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, you know, like or.

00:47:31 Andrii Zvorygin: If you just have your profile and then you're getting likes from people who don't live here.

00:47:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:47:37 Andrii Zvorygin: That's good.

00:47:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, you know, so so so I want to make sure I'm actually connected to the actual people.

00:47:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, and then also you, I don't know if you're aware, but I have helpos.ca.

00:47:46 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:47:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, and so.

00:47:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Privacy concerns.

00:47:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay.

00:47:51 Andrii Zvorygin: So this is Lemmy.

00:47:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, it's an open source, uh, social media network based similar to Reddit, it's based on the Fediverse, and then here, what I have it do every day, basically,

00:48:08 Andrii Zvorygin: it is trans downloading and transcribing a meeting from the Owen Sound Council or the Grey County Council.

00:48:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, and then it writes up a full report on what it is, and then you could read the full transcript, and then it breaks it down into parts,

00:48:26 Andrii Zvorygin: and then you can see what was said and here deputy you know in approved utilising one hundred thirty thousand to fund site preparations for two county-owned properties in Markdale and Durham.

00:48:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:48:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:48:38 Andrii Zvorygin: So so there you go.

00:48:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Uh.

00:48:40 Andrii Zvorygin: So so you can actually so people can know what's going on, and then before it happens, I have what are called agenda previews, um, and so that you can figure out if it's worth attending.

00:48:53 Andrii Zvorygin: So here, it says most transition to Tom Thompson Art Gallery teams to working groups, recommends the city council's staff to include two new working groups in the 2027 board and committee bylaw.

00:49:07 Andrii Zvorygin: So there you go.

00:49:08 Andrii Zvorygin: One sentence summary: We'll consider restructuring teams into working groups while assessing community impact on members.

00:49:15 Andrii Zvorygin: And then you can easily tell which one is a transcript and which one is a preview based on the type of image.

00:49:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I have abstract kind of images for a preview and then it's an actual image from the meeting.

00:49:29 Andrii Zvorygin: For if it's a based on a video, okay.

00:49:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Now, if you were to so we so we identified Carol as the number one competitor, right?

00:49:41 SPEAKER_004: We'll call her Hillary Clinton of the election.

00:49:45 SPEAKER_004: But what would like if you were to ask somebody from Red, they would probably put her number one, wouldn't they?

00:49:53 SPEAKER_004: Just because she One?

00:49:53 SPEAKER_004: Would it be just because she's the councillor?

00:49:54 Andrii Zvorygin: I have well, I mean, there almost no one has mentioned any other names.

00:50:01 Andrii Zvorygin: I think there was only one comment I received where someone mentioned Merton and Richard, and based on that comment, I actually made a comparison page.

00:50:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:50:14 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I actually have comparison pages for all the council candidates.

00:50:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, nice!

00:50:19 Andrii Zvorygin: And all of the mayor candidates.

00:50:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:50:22 Andrii Zvorygin: So.

00:50:22 Andrii Zvorygin: This is the one.

00:50:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, send.

00:50:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, where is this on your?

00:50:25 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:50:26 SPEAKER_004: So this is helpos.

00:50:27 SPEAKER_004: Is this on your campaign page or?

00:50:29 SPEAKER_004: So it's helpos.ca/mare.

00:50:31 SPEAKER_004: Oh, right.

00:50:33 SPEAKER_004: This is that site.

00:50:34 SPEAKER_004: Can you just email me this link because we're gonna go.

00:50:36 SPEAKER_004: We're gonna look into these people.

00:50:38 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:50:38 SPEAKER_004: Because I'm interested in this.

00:50:39 SPEAKER_004: I like.

00:50:40 SPEAKER_004: I want you to win, and I want like.

00:50:43 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:50:43 SPEAKER_004: I think we can do this.

00:50:45 SPEAKER_004: We um we just have to find out what we're up against, right?

00:50:48 Andrii Zvorygin: And the other one is helpos.ca/council.

00:50:49 Andrii Zvorygin: West.

00:50:49 Andrii Zvorygin: That's the A slash Council, and it's got all twenty-one candidates and all the information I managed to dig up on them or find out from them in person.

00:50:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Nice.

00:50:59 Andrii Zvorygin: It's got their Brock Hamley.

00:51:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Wait, yeah, Brock Hamley's running again.

00:51:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Jarrett.

00:51:05 Andrii Zvorygin: That I fucking golf with him.

00:51:07 Andrii Zvorygin: I hate him.

00:51:09 Andrii Zvorygin: He is the most obnoxious.

00:51:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I'll never play with him again.

00:51:12 Andrii Zvorygin: And then Jarrett Coop.

00:51:13 Andrii Zvorygin: I know her.

00:51:14 SPEAKER_004: Oh my god, these people.

00:51:16 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, they have no business running anything.

00:51:17 SPEAKER_004: These people couldn't.

00:51:18 SPEAKER_004: These people wouldn't last a day at my fucking ice cream store, let alone.

00:51:22 SPEAKER_004: Well, hopefully, at least seven of them will, because seven of them are going to be our new council people.

00:51:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh Jesus!

00:51:28 Andrii Zvorygin: So we want at least.

00:51:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Is there like oh Tamara?

00:51:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh God, leave it.

00:51:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh my God, Jeff Rockwell.

00:51:35 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

00:51:35 Andrii Zvorygin: He's he's.

00:51:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh no!

00:51:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh no!

00:51:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:51:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

00:51:40 Andrii Zvorygin: There's.

00:51:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:51:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, we're gonna look at.

00:51:42 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm.

00:51:42 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm gonna get half these people to drop out by the end of the month.

00:51:46 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, they can't.

00:51:47 Andrii Zvorygin: They'll still their names will still be on the ballot.

00:51:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh no!

00:51:49 Andrii Zvorygin: But they don't.

00:51:50 Andrii Zvorygin: They won't want the job if they.

00:51:51 Andrii Zvorygin: If um, you know.

00:51:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Walton David.

00:51:54 Andrii Zvorygin: David Walton.

00:51:55 Andrii Zvorygin: He's a pretty nice guy.

00:51:56 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure there.

00:51:57 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure some are very fine people.

00:51:59 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and then I have no information.

00:52:01 SPEAKER_004: Like the school board, I see school board there.

00:52:03 SPEAKER_004: Like that person has no business running a city.

00:52:06 SPEAKER_004: Here, school board.

00:52:08 SPEAKER_004: There's like half of them are from the school board.

00:52:10 SPEAKER_004: I think.

00:52:10 SPEAKER_004: No, no, it doesn't say anything about school on this.

00:52:12 Andrii Zvorygin: I think I had a different one for.

00:52:14 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't.

00:52:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Of course, I don't have a one to compare the school board candidates, but actually, as it happens, I encouraged one of them to run.

00:52:26 Andrii Zvorygin: I think it was Sarah Milne, and I had I was campaigning, going door to door, and she was bringing up a lot of issues.

00:52:35 Andrii Zvorygin: And I'm like, you know what?

00:52:36 Andrii Zvorygin: That's something for the school trustee, and that's another thing for the school trustee, and that's a third thing for the school trustee.

00:52:43 Andrii Zvorygin: And I was like, "Would you consider running for school trustee?"

00:52:47 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, and so she...

00:52:49 SPEAKER_004: And what was her background before she decided to do that?

00:52:51 Andrii Zvorygin: She was a teacher.

00:52:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:52:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Which is very relevant, you know, because I don't know who the other guy is, but basically for elected positions, there's like, oh my god, this Jodi King.

00:53:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Jodi King, you know her?

00:53:06 SPEAKER_004: Well, I...

00:53:07 SPEAKER_004: I mean, what kind of picture is that for the fucking mayor?

00:53:11 SPEAKER_004: Tattoos on her neck.

00:53:12 SPEAKER_004: Well, lady, get some therapy.

00:53:15 SPEAKER_004: Well, she's Indigenous.

00:53:17 SPEAKER_004: I think that's why she has the tattoos.

00:53:20 SPEAKER_004: So I think we should be respectful.

00:53:23 Andrii Zvorygin: But, anyways, yes, I'm not worried about her or Ray.

00:53:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I mean, yeah, I like my tattoos on his face.

00:53:30 Andrii Zvorygin: So this photo I took from the only interview of her, and it was taken by my friend James OS auditing.

00:53:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and so I like that guy.

00:53:40 Andrii Zvorygin: He... he does some good stuff.

00:53:42 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:53:42 Andrii Zvorygin: So so this is just uh...

00:53:44 Andrii Zvorygin: I took a like a oh you... this is a candid... oh man, that's yeah, it's right out of there because I couldn't find any other photos of her.

00:53:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Damn.

00:53:54 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:53:54 Andrii Zvorygin: She's gonna be hiding.

00:53:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:53:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Well.

00:53:56 SPEAKER_004: So I think it would be good if these two, like if Carol and Jody started fighting.

00:54:01 SPEAKER_004: I can't encourage that.

00:54:05 SPEAKER_004: No. No. Like just you know swinging shit at each other.

00:54:09 SPEAKER_004: Not... like.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_004: Oh, I see.

00:54:11 SPEAKER_004: I see.

00:54:11 SPEAKER_004: You know, I...

00:54:12 SPEAKER_004: I don't know.

00:54:13 SPEAKER_004: Carol is a very nice lady, so I don't think she would do that.

00:54:16 SPEAKER_004: But I don't know.

00:54:16 SPEAKER_004: City councillor.

00:54:18 SPEAKER_004: Oh, she's a nurse.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_004: Oh, maybe she's not as bad as I originally thought.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_004: I don't know.

00:54:21 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:54:22 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:54:23 SPEAKER_004: So you're better than her, though.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_004: So.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_004: Oh well, thanks.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_004: Um, and there's Mike Sailor.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_004: Um, and he's... he's a realtor.

00:54:30 SPEAKER_004: Like, give me a break, because he was a realtor.

00:54:33 SPEAKER_004: He was because the real estate sales are down.

00:54:36 SPEAKER_004: Now he wants to...

00:54:37 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:54:37 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, his... he's... he's got quite a tragic story, and but oh, what happened?

00:54:46 Andrii Zvorygin: I didn't...

00:54:46 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know about his story.

00:54:48 Andrii Zvorygin: What happened?

00:54:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, basically, he used to have a realtor business, and he used to have a church he could go to, and he used to have a family.

00:55:03 SPEAKER_004: So, and then something happened with...

00:55:07 SPEAKER_004: Operation Warp Speed, or well, yeah, apparently was related to that, but I'm not—I don't know.

00:55:16 Andrii Zvorygin: It's really for him to tell.

00:55:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:55:19 Andrii Zvorygin: No. Fair enough.

00:55:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:20 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't.

00:55:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:20 Andrii Zvorygin: I can find.

00:55:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Fair.

00:55:21 Andrii Zvorygin: That's fair.

00:55:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I could...

00:55:24 Andrii Zvorygin: What I could tell you is that he gave me an hour-long rundown of his platform.

00:55:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, I can.

00:55:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I can.

00:55:30 Andrii Zvorygin: I can always call him.

00:55:31 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure.

00:55:31 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm sure he would talk to me, right?

00:55:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:32 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:55:33 Andrii Zvorygin: And then he took away the platform material.

00:55:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Way the platform materials, and told me that he had to have a lawyer look over it, and so I can't even share.

00:55:42 Andrii Zvorygin: It's fluff.

00:55:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, and for what?

00:55:44 Andrii Zvorygin: An interview like this, or something else?

00:55:46 Andrii Zvorygin: No, it was like kind of like I had arranged a meeting.

00:55:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Like I arrange meetings on like Thursdays, at one of my downtown office, and and so he had attended, and he gave us an hour long explanation.

00:55:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Me and Angela Stowe were there.

00:56:02 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, but then he... came back and said, "Hey, wait!

00:56:05 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't want this getting out."

00:56:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Or well, no, yeah, he just as he was leaving, he gathered up the platform materials because he didn't want it going out to the public.

00:56:15 Andrii Zvorygin: His platform materials, yes.

00:56:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, and then he told me he was going to drive to BC.

00:56:22 SPEAKER_004: Drive to BC, and then what would that do for Owen Sound?

00:56:25 Andrii Zvorygin: And then he said that if elected, he will only attend once every three months.

00:56:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, so what the fuck is the point of that then?

00:56:33 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

00:56:35 Andrii Zvorygin: I could run the city from Big Bay if that's the case.

00:56:37 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, give me a break.

00:56:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, he does.

00:56:39 Andrii Zvorygin: He does have...

00:56:41 Andrii Zvorygin: He has a farm in Georgian Bluffs as well.

00:56:43 Andrii Zvorygin: I think he's running because he has a business location in Owen Sound.

00:56:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Which is do we know his?

00:56:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Or does it?

00:56:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, I don't know.

00:56:52 Andrii Zvorygin: No, I'm not familiar.

00:56:54 Andrii Zvorygin: I'm not exactly sure what address he's using.

00:56:56 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, previous work as a distributor for Weston.

00:56:59 Andrii Zvorygin: He owned Puzzle Escape Room.

00:57:00 SPEAKER_004: Gray Bruce Media, recently founded Map C. So this guy's got... he's got a lot going on.

00:57:06 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:08 SPEAKER_004: Map C is his main focus right now.

00:57:11 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

00:57:11 SPEAKER_004: Like, well, does it say Lake America or Lake Ontario on this thing?

00:57:18 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

00:57:19 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

00:57:20 Andrii Zvorygin: You'd have to find that out another time.

00:57:22 Andrii Zvorygin: I will.

00:57:23 Andrii Zvorygin: I will.

00:57:24 Andrii Zvorygin: I will press that.

00:57:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

00:57:26 Andrii Zvorygin: And then, so there's also Richard Thomas.

00:57:29 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't... have much on him.

00:57:31 Andrii Zvorygin: He's well.

00:57:32 Andrii Zvorygin: He did...

00:57:33 Andrii Zvorygin: He was eight years in council, and then he ran against the Embodied and lost.

00:57:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, loser.

00:57:40 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, we don't need that.

00:57:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:57:42 Andrii Zvorygin: So, but he has a media company, and he's chaired a lot of meetings.

00:57:48 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, hold on.

00:57:49 Andrii Zvorygin: So, when I hear somebody has a media company, I would be really interested on how... what like what's the definition of that?

00:57:56 SPEAKER_004: Like, I would like to know their monthly and weekly impressions.

00:57:59 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

00:57:59 SPEAKER_004: Because I probably have more of a media company than them, and I don't even have a freaking media.

00:58:04 SPEAKER_004: He has an old school.

00:58:06 SPEAKER_004: He wrote a bunch of history books about Ownsfield.

00:58:09 SPEAKER_004: Oh, okay.

00:58:10 SPEAKER_004: Well, that's cool.

00:58:11 SPEAKER_004: I mean, maybe we could dig through his archive and you know come up with some ads or something, right?

00:58:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

00:58:16 Andrii Zvorygin: So here and then because there was that Reddit comment that compared me and to Richard and Carol.

00:58:24 Andrii Zvorygin: I made a page exactly for this comparison.

00:58:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, and I used ChatGPT in order to make it as neutral as possible, so it wasn't...

00:58:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, ChatGPT.

00:58:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, no, and and in fact, I don't know because I...

00:58:37 Andrii Zvorygin: I asked for an hour.

00:58:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Have you got an extra time tonight, or are you?

00:58:40 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, sure, sure.

00:58:41 SPEAKER_004: It's not a not not depressing.

00:58:44 SPEAKER_004: Okay, so then if we're gonna let's because we yeah let's we'll finish up this,

00:58:49 SPEAKER_004: but I do have AI people that are interested in like we were talking today about how you could like get ChatGPT to run a city potentially hypothetically, right?

00:59:02 Andrii Zvorygin: So there are certain use cases where you can use large language models to help streamline city things.

00:59:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, such as making reports and summarising information and doing research and things like that.

00:59:20 Andrii Zvorygin: But you still need a human to make the decision.

00:59:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah. because of the propensity of AIs to hallucinate.

00:59:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Of course, yeah.

00:59:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Even though it's much less than before, it's still ever present.

00:59:34 Andrii Zvorygin: And so I have actually that in the staff plan in order to lower consultation fees because we're spending something like two hundred thousand dollars a year.

00:59:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Consultants are the worst.

00:59:45 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, it's yeah, and so so part of my city reorganization or staff reorganization is that consultant...

00:59:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Is that consultants will now be a matter of last resort, right?

00:59:56 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, good call.

00:59:56 SPEAKER_004: Because yeah, ChatGPT is practically a consultant, right?

00:59:59 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah, and and then we can even use our own local AIs for processing local data, just like for you know my HelpOS website.

01:00:09 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't...

01:00:10 Andrii Zvorygin: I use ChatGPT to help me write the computer programme, but all of these meetings are processed on my computer using a local large language model.

01:00:21 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay, cool.

01:00:22 Andrii Zvorygin: So you know this stuff pretty good, then?

01:00:23 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and all of these images are also generated by on my computer.

01:00:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:00:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, nice.

01:00:30 Andrii Zvorygin: So you're, yeah, so you're not using the American data centres, or like?

01:00:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, exactly.

01:00:34 Andrii Zvorygin: So all of the actual transcripts and all the transcription is also happening on my computer.

01:00:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, nice.

01:00:41 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, so like this, like this whole website runs completely locally, completely off of my... computer, the only thing I use ChatGPT for is updating the software.

01:00:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Sure.

01:00:54 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and that's like that's smart because it's a tool to help you run this website.

01:00:58 SPEAKER_004: So yeah, exactly.

01:00:59 Andrii Zvorygin: It's it's also because getting a coding AI like one that's competent at doing computer programming is would require more computing than I have available in my base.

01:01:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:01:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:01:12 Andrii Zvorygin: You need like a data farm or something.

01:01:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:01:14 Andrii Zvorygin: You need like a data centre because the Kimi K three can do it, but you basically need, I think it was like five hundred or six hundred gigabytes.

01:01:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Wait, Kimi K three is two point five trillion gigabytes.

01:01:31 Andrii Zvorygin: I mean, two point five trillion.

01:01:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Anyways, but I have a twenty four gigabyte card.

01:01:37 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:01:38 Andrii Zvorygin: Right.

01:01:38 Andrii Zvorygin: So so I think I need a thousand times.

01:01:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh Jesus!

01:01:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:01:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:01:44 Andrii Zvorygin: So it's not gonna happen.

01:01:47 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:01:48 Andrii Zvorygin: So, but, but for the processing text and stuff like that, it's it's good enough.

01:01:54 Andrii Zvorygin: It's actually like when you compare to human, it's like close to PhD level.

01:02:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, yeah.

01:02:01 SPEAKER_004: I've noticed ChatGPT getting smarter.

01:02:03 SPEAKER_004: It's not smarter than me, but it's very smart.

01:02:05 SPEAKER_004: So, well, it it's on many tests, it's super human.

01:02:09 SPEAKER_004: Yeah.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_004: Just that you are smarter for your own personal life situation.

01:02:14 SPEAKER_004: Right.

01:02:15 Andrii Zvorygin: And... for being an embedded human who with an experience, whereas a large language model, all it is is it's basically a database, and what's happening?

01:02:24 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, a word graph walk.

01:02:26 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, a fancy calculator.

01:02:28 SPEAKER_004: I once got ChatGPT to tell me it has no financial interest in keeping me subscribed or alive.

01:02:38 SPEAKER_004: So I thought that was interesting.

01:02:40 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, well, you can say lots of things and different models say different things.

01:02:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, and that's another reason why I have the local models, is because I was finding that ChatGPT was extremely unreliable and it was giving me inconsistent results.

01:02:55 Andrii Zvorygin: And so by having the local model, I know it's always exactly the same, and so I can have consistent results.

01:03:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Good.

01:03:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:03:03 Andrii Zvorygin: I can't get throttled.

01:03:05 Andrii Zvorygin: They can't change it upstream.

01:03:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, switch the rules, change the system prompt, or some stupid thing, and then fuck up everything.

01:03:10 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, or change how because, like, with they added a layer of censorship or something like that.

01:03:15 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, right?

01:03:16 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, yeah.

01:03:17 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, this is the comparison page, and it talks about you know the three parts: the city council, the Great County Council, and the mayor-specific leadership.

01:03:27 Andrii Zvorygin: And so, I have three pairs, three pages here, and I think it has a summary here as well.

01:03:34 Andrii Zvorygin: Summary here: City Council responsibility.

01:03:39 Andrii Zvorygin: Carol Merton has the strongest current preparation for ordinary responsibilities shared by City Councillors.

01:03:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, maybe she can be your secretary or something if ChatGPT can't figure it out, right?

01:03:49 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:03:50 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, it's—I don't think she would want to be.

01:03:52 Andrii Zvorygin: I actually offered her the job before she ran to be one of my City Councillors, and she could pick her own geographic ward.

01:04:02 Andrii Zvorygin: And what did you say to such a kind offer?

01:04:05 Andrii Zvorygin: She applied to run for Mayor.

01:04:07 Andrii Zvorygin: The following day, Great County responsibilities.

01:04:13 Andrii Zvorygin: Andrii Zvorygin has the strongest documented preparation through his familiarity, working relationships with County Mayors, Deputy Mayors, staff, sustained attention at County policy.

01:04:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Anyways, Mayor-specific responsibilities.

01:04:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Andrii Zvorygin has the strongest documented preparation for Mayor.

01:04:27 Andrii Zvorygin: And then here's the breakdown.

01:04:29 Andrii Zvorygin: So represents residents and considers the municipality's well-being.

01:04:33 Andrii Zvorygin: This is just, you know, I have extensive canvassing, but they've been at the council longer.

01:04:41 Andrii Zvorygin: Develop and evaluate policies and programmes.

01:04:43 Andrii Zvorygin: And she's a boomer.

01:04:44 Andrii Zvorygin: Like, let's face it, right?

01:04:46 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, yeah.

01:04:47 SPEAKER_001: Do we need another boomer to replace the last boomer who did fucking nothing?

01:04:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Like, seriously, I hear you.

01:04:54 Andrii Zvorygin: So I hear you.

01:04:54 Andrii Zvorygin: So, but yeah, ensure administrative accountability.

01:04:57 Andrii Zvorygin: It says Andrei Vargan for the published accountability system.

01:05:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Ensure transparency in municipal operations.

01:05:04 Andrii Zvorygin: That's me, Andrii Zvorygin.

01:05:05 Andrii Zvorygin: Under Oren, because the basically the status Q'uo people, the ones that are there, they're happy with the system as it is.

01:05:12 Andrii Zvorygin: Of course, yeah, because it's working for them, right?

01:05:14 Andrii Zvorygin: Exactly.

01:05:15 Andrii Zvorygin: And then engage residents and explain decisions because I got my civic participation system.

01:05:20 Andrii Zvorygin: But yeah, you can see that one has a bunch of.

01:05:22 Andrii Zvorygin: But for the Grey County Council, you can see it's like a lot of it.

01:05:25 SPEAKER_001: It's work with all the mayors, and then we'll input it into ChatGPT and see.

01:05:30 SPEAKER_001: We'll say, "How, based on all this, what do we need to do to make the mayor?"

01:05:34 SPEAKER_001: Andrei.

01:05:35 SPEAKER_001: The Mayor here, sure, yeah.

01:05:39 Andrii Zvorygin: And then this is the responsibility specific to Mayor, so like overall leadership, prepare the Mayor's budget.

01:05:45 Andrii Zvorygin: You know, issue written mayoral budget decisions.

01:05:49 Andrii Zvorygin: All of this kind of like I, I have the plan.

01:05:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, there's something.

01:05:53 Andrii Zvorygin: Richard Thomas is good.

01:05:55 Andrii Zvorygin: The what?

01:05:56 Andrii Zvorygin: There's one for Richard Thomas, representing from.

01:05:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, he got one.

01:05:59 Andrii Zvorygin: With for what?

01:06:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, strongest conventional communications resume.

01:06:04 Andrii Zvorygin: Podcast host is that him?

01:06:06 Andrii Zvorygin: That's me.

01:06:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Podcast host, that's me.

01:06:08 Andrii Zvorygin: This this one is Richard over here.

01:06:11 Andrii Zvorygin: Conventional communication.

01:06:13 Andrii Zvorygin: So in other words, he would never do this.

01:06:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:06:15 Andrii Zvorygin: No. He—he—he doesn't even have an email address.

01:06:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh Jesus.

01:06:18 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:06:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:06:19 Andrii Zvorygin: Servant police governance.

01:06:22 Andrii Zvorygin: I have—I have like an extensive safety community plan.

01:06:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Overall preparation.

01:06:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Anyhow, and there's all these sources.

01:06:32 Andrii Zvorygin: So it seems to me like you're the outsider, right?

01:06:35 SPEAKER_004: Because you don't have any experience in terms of City governance, right?

01:06:38 SPEAKER_004: Or you know the people, you know the process, but you're not—you haven't been sitting in council for a decade, like Carol has, right?

01:06:45 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, doing nothing because the city's been collapsing since she's been there.

01:06:48 SPEAKER_004: Nothing, she's done nothing to fix it.

01:06:50 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah.

01:06:51 SPEAKER_004: And now we're gonna put her in charge.

01:06:53 SPEAKER_004: Like, give me a break.

01:06:54 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, and actually, I know Jim.

01:06:56 SPEAKER_004: Do you know Jim Hutton?

01:06:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Doesn't ring a bell, but well.

01:06:59 Andrii Zvorygin: He—he has Owen Sound taxes, Owen Sound taxes.

01:07:06 Andrii Zvorygin: I think there, dot com.

01:07:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:07:09 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, okay.

01:07:10 Andrii Zvorygin: You see, yeah.

01:07:11 Andrii Zvorygin: So, so he does concern Owen Sound taxpayers, and things like that, and oh, here, and you can view candidate responses.

01:07:23 Andrii Zvorygin: See, okay, response pending.

01:07:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, for Ray Botten, it's pending.

01:07:30 Andrii Zvorygin: Hey, I wonder if they added me already.

01:07:33 Andrii Zvorygin: Here, see, these are my responses for their little survey.

01:07:36 Andrii Zvorygin: Anyhow, so I talked to him, and he was saying that a lot of people want change because they see exactly that it's not working,

01:07:44 Andrii Zvorygin: and so he feels that Merton and Richard being on council actually works against them.

01:07:51 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I agree.

01:07:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Because the situation, like you said, got worse instead of better.

01:07:57 Andrii Zvorygin: What did we pay them for?

01:07:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Nothing.

01:07:58 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:07:59 Andrii Zvorygin: We could have had dogs and cats sitting at the meeting, and nothing would be different.

01:08:03 Andrii Zvorygin: Because they're basically letting the staff run the show.

01:08:06 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah.

01:08:07 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

01:08:08 Andrii Zvorygin: And that—that—that's unfortunate.

01:08:09 Andrii Zvorygin: And I want to change it back to where the residents are in charge through the council and the local representatives.

01:08:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

01:08:17 Andrii Zvorygin: And I know also I was at the Katy Farmers Market, and someone walked up to me, and they were very, very upset.

01:08:24 Andrii Zvorygin: They said that this is the current council is the worst council ever, and like they were like very angry.

01:08:33 Andrii Zvorygin: And—and what was their main concern?

01:08:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, basically like total mismanagement of what they were doing, and like that they weren't doing anything.

01:08:43 Andrii Zvorygin: Um, and after he heard my like platform things, like he really calmed down, and he—he—he had hope again, you know, for the future of Owen Sound, and like well,

01:08:52 Andrii Zvorygin: because you weren't giving him hand and.

01:08:52 Andrii Zvorygin: Because you weren't giving him canned answers and bullshit like that, right?

01:08:55 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, because it's not just about a what do you call it?

01:09:01 SPEAKER_004: Feel-good slogans.

01:09:04 SPEAKER_004: No, but for the boomers, it is right because they still think it's 1990.

01:09:08 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, for them.

01:09:10 SPEAKER_004: So yeah, I—I don't exactly.

01:09:12 Andrii Zvorygin: So so for instance, one—you know—it's very hard to find out about any of the other candidates.

01:09:17 Andrii Zvorygin: But my friend, he managed to get one of her flyers.

01:09:20 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:09:20 Andrii Zvorygin: And this is oh yeah oh that she was sending.

01:09:22 Andrii Zvorygin: Yeah, I seen these a while ago.

01:09:24 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, you saw these?

01:09:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Oh, well, yeah, I think so.

01:09:27 Andrii Zvorygin: Or it sort of rings a bell.

01:09:28 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, were they on her website, maybe, or her Facebook?

01:09:31 SPEAKER_004: Maybe it was website.

01:09:33 SPEAKER_004: I just—I've seen this.

01:09:33 SPEAKER_004: Well, she doesn't have a website, so would be on her Facebook.

01:09:36 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, maybe so.

01:09:37 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, maybe it must have been Facebook.

01:09:38 SPEAKER_004: Yeah, yeah.

01:09:39 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

01:09:40 SPEAKER_004: So, anyway, so this is just like ten eye statements about how good she is.

01:09:45 SPEAKER_004: Oh yeah!

01:09:45 SPEAKER_004: I'm so great.

01:09:46 SPEAKER_004: I'm so great.

01:09:48 SPEAKER_004: Yes, exactly.

01:09:49 SPEAKER_004: I almost said something really bad.

01:09:51 SPEAKER_004: Okay.

01:09:54 SPEAKER_004: Well, anyways, and then on the back, this is her like actual plan over here.

01:10:00 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

01:10:01 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:10:02 Andrii Zvorygin: And she—she—she basically can you where where where is this this a flyer?

01:10:07 Andrii Zvorygin: I need this flyer.

01:10:09 Andrii Zvorygin: So it's it's on helpoestat.ca slash mayor slash mayor.

01:10:15 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay, I'm on there.

01:10:16 Andrii Zvorygin: Okay.

01:10:17 Andrii Zvorygin: Is it under Carol?

01:10:18 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:10:18 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:10:19 SPEAKER_001: Exactly.

01:10:19 SPEAKER_001: Okay, I'll find it.

01:10:20 SPEAKER_001: Okay, good.

01:10:21 SPEAKER_001: Just so I know where it is, I need to.

01:10:22 SPEAKER_001: I need to really.

01:10:23 SPEAKER_001: So, so what?

01:10:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Go on.

01:10:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Sorry.

01:10:26 Andrii Zvorygin: And so her kind of idea here is we need an affordable housing action working group.

01:10:33 Andrii Zvorygin: That's that's her idea.

01:10:35 Andrii Zvorygin: Is that?

01:10:35 SPEAKER_004: Oh, I bet you.

01:10:36 SPEAKER_004: I know the bitches that she's recruiting to do that.

01:10:39 SPEAKER_004: Okay, I wouldn't call them that, you know.

01:10:42 SPEAKER_004: But anyways, the her idea is to have a committee to talk about it.

01:10:47 SPEAKER_004: It's like how—is that even a plan?

01:10:49 SPEAKER_004: Oh, a committee to talk about it, so she can put on a pantsuit and feel like she's in charge, right?

01:10:55 SPEAKER_004: That's what she wants to do, and that's all she cares about.

01:10:58 SPEAKER_004: I don't know.

01:10:59 SPEAKER_004: Anyways, and I do.

01:11:00 SPEAKER_004: I know these people.

01:11:01 SPEAKER_004: Like, I know them better than they know themselves.

01:11:03 Andrii Zvorygin: So, what I was told, like Thomas, he—he also talked to one of her workers, you know, that's doing volunteers, and basically the story they're giving people is that Carol Merton just wanted a stop sign,

01:11:21 Andrii Zvorygin: and then she ran for council, and now she's running from it.

01:11:25 Andrii Zvorygin: She got a taste of power, and she just couldn't give it up.

01:11:29 Andrii Zvorygin: Something like that.

01:11:30 Andrii Zvorygin: So, but—but it doesn't.

01:11:32 Andrii Zvorygin: I don't know.

01:11:33 Andrii Zvorygin: And that—that's the post that I saw her boosting, and it just doesn't seem like.

01:11:37 Andrii Zvorygin: No, she's a waste.

01:11:40 Andrii Zvorygin: She—and you know people are so sick and tired of people like her.

01:11:42 Andrii Zvorygin: She is the Hillary Clinton, and she's going to lose badly.

01:11:46 SPEAKER_001: I'm going to make it my personal mission that you beat her.

01:11:49 SPEAKER_001: I hate these people, and I'm sorry.

01:11:50 SPEAKER_001: That's on the record.

01:11:51 SPEAKER_001: I know it's illegal in Canada.

01:11:52 SPEAKER_001: I hate them in Minecraft, whatever.

01:11:54 SPEAKER_001: Like I'm sick of this shit.

01:11:56 SPEAKER_001: No, no, they do.

01:11:57 SPEAKER_001: They.

01:11:58 SPEAKER_001: You've seen what they do to me on Reddit, right?

01:11:59 SPEAKER_001: This like it's.

01:12:00 SPEAKER_001: Oh yeah.

01:12:01 SPEAKER_001: Oh, I don't.

01:12:02 SPEAKER_001: Not sure what your username on Reddit.

01:12:04 SPEAKER_001: I don't have one because I deleted it because it was so disgusting what they were doing.

01:12:11 SPEAKER_001: I was Vanilla Voldemort, and then I deleted.

01:12:13 SPEAKER_001: So, and you want to know why?

01:12:15 SPEAKER_001: Reddit is a very hostile place.

01:12:16 SPEAKER_001: I won't say that it's politically incorrect why I deleted it, but let's just say there's some degenerate people on there.

01:12:23 SPEAKER_001: A lot of them work in the school system.

01:12:25 SPEAKER_001: A lot of them have defamed me, my family, and I know if they're listening, they're going to see this.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_001: They've defamed me and my family with false and incorrect information, and we are going to find you, every single one of you, because Reddit is not a safe space.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_001: There are outside people.

01:12:41 SPEAKER_001: They're outside people looking at your comment history.

01:12:44 SPEAKER_001: We know what we know.

01:12:45 SPEAKER_001: How much Ozempic you're on?

01:12:46 SPEAKER_001: We know how much Wellbutrin you take.

01:12:48 SPEAKER_001: We know how many pitbulls you have.

01:12:51 SPEAKER_001: We know how many children you have from how many fathers.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_001: And believe me, people, if you do work, we know where you work.

01:12:57 SPEAKER_001: And I probably golf with your boss.

01:12:59 SPEAKER_001: So it's time to fucker.

01:13:00 SPEAKER_001: You fucked around with me for over two years, and you're gonna find out, Reddit Owen Sound.

01:13:05 SPEAKER_001: Fuck you.

01:13:06 SPEAKER_001: Thank you.

01:13:08 SPEAKER_001: Sorry, I just had to go on one there because I know they're gonna see this, right?

01:13:11 SPEAKER_001: Okay.

01:13:12 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:13:12 SPEAKER_001: Well, I believe in forgiveness, love, kindness, all that no. Fair enough.

01:13:15 SPEAKER_001: Yeah, we're all Christians here.

01:13:16 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:13:17 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_001: Never let the sun set on your anger.

01:13:19 SPEAKER_001: I believe it is.

01:13:21 SPEAKER_001: I don't know.

01:13:21 SPEAKER_001: Something like that.

01:13:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:13:22 SPEAKER_001: Yeah.

01:13:25 Andrii Zvorygin: Um.

01:13:26 Andrii Zvorygin: All right.

01:13:26 Andrii Zvorygin: Well, were there any other questions?

01:13:28 SPEAKER_001: Um.

01:13:29 SPEAKER_001: No. This was excellent.